really happy with Hornacek's quotes recently. Sounds like a lame duck who will play vets to keep his job. Hope he's all talk.
this is why hornacek should of been let go when perry was hired. if you want to go with a youth movement bring in a young coach to grow with them, a coach who doesnt feel like he is coaching for his job...
my guess tonight willy gets about 5 mins because he plays oquinn over him...
dotson wont play because lance thomas has to get minutes, i would rather see mcdermott...
frabk will get 5 minutes because sessions is starting and baker will probably be the back up..
As was pointed out to me, if DSJ really did keep his medicals away from the Knicks, can you really expect the team to take a gamble like that? Just a huge red flag that seems like an agent was hiding something.
As was pointed out to me, if DSJ really did keep his medicals away from the Knicks, can you really expect the team to take a gamble like that? Just a huge red flag that seems like an agent was hiding something.
Yeah, I guess if that is true then it's reasonable to pass. I just really thought DSJ was the better player at that pick and it's not like Frank is off to a super healthy start to his career. At this point, I have to hope Frank is awesome though and we don't regret passing on DSJ
pulled the same thing with Philly in the lead up to that draft. It happens all the time. For some teams, if you feel strongly enough about the player, you just take him anyway. When Phil was running things, you really can't blame an agent for trying to get their player somewhere other than NY. That said, DSJ's reps don't have much of basketball client roster. Of the 11 guys they show on their web page, I've only heard of 3 of them. So maybe it was amateur hour. Link - ( New Window )
Really raving about Tim Hardaway Jr. He wants Kanter to start because he has a little more length and athletic ability than Willy. Not much to say on Frank since nobody has seen him. Also said he's more concerned about KP getting stronger below the waist - doesn't want him to become too "top heavy."
You guys have some pretty ugly contracts on the books for at least this season and next. I'm honestly not sure what can be done to brighten your future until some of that dead weight is gone.
It seems like the Knicks just need an entire culture change. Now maybe there is little hope because of the owner, but they have to do something to entice free agents. Most players should want to play for the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics...
I don't follow close enough to know how Hornacek is viewed by the players and fans. Is it time to give a shot to a former player as their first HC gig that is younger and is more able to relate to the current players? I know Jerry Stackhouse has been working his way up the ranks for a few years. He or a coach like him might not be the longterm answer but it might just take convincing that first or second big(ish) name to sign and attract others.
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Really raving about Tim Hardaway Jr. He wants Kanter to start because he has a little more length and athletic ability than Willy. Not much to say on Frank since nobody has seen him. Also said he's more concerned about KP getting stronger below the waist - doesn't want him to become too "top heavy."
Hornacek basically said Kanter is the starter which is "fine" if Willy gets his minutes but the concern comes when Noah returns. Someone is losing minutes...
Let's not confuse sucking with rebuilding. If they truly commit to this plan we'll go into next season with a lot more excitement than we have now, even if Lance, Noah and Lee are still clogging up cap space.
You guys have some pretty ugly contracts on the books for at least this season and next. I'm honestly not sure what can be done to brighten your future until some of that dead weight is gone.
It seems like the Knicks just need an entire culture change. Now maybe there is little hope because of the owner, but they have to do something to entice free agents. Most players should want to play for the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics...
I don't follow close enough to know how Hornacek is viewed by the players and fans. Is it time to give a shot to a former player as their first HC gig that is younger and is more able to relate to the current players? I know Jerry Stackhouse has been working his way up the ranks for a few years. He or a coach like him might not be the longterm answer but it might just take convincing that first or second big(ish) name to sign and attract others.
knicms building through draft not through free agency, no more quick fixes...
it will be interesting to see how simmons and fulz mesh together..
if simmons could ever get a consistent mid range he and embiid could be a deadly 2 man game combo
Watching them last night and I was thinking how good this team could be. Even if Fultz is a bust( not saying he is), they could survive it and still be really good just because of Embiid and Simmons. I also really like Covington.
Hinkies could turn out to look like a real genius. I would have loved for the knicks to bring him in.
really, really don't like Hornacek. I'd love to be proven wrong but he seems weak, over his head, not especially impressive as a speaker.
Not encouraged by him either... But, 1) gotta give him a chance to run the team without the zen master micromanaging. And 2) him failing has the benefit of helping the tank and then Perry can pick his own guy.
I'll eat my hat if Embiid ever plays a full season.
it will be interesting to see how simmons and fulz mesh together..
if simmons could ever get a consistent mid range he and embiid could be a deadly 2 man game combo
Watching them last night and I was thinking how good this team could be. Even if Fultz is a bust( not saying he is), they could survive it and still be really good just because of Embiid and Simmons. I also really like Covington.
Hinkies could turn out to look like a real genius. I would have loved for the knicks to bring him in.
there is zero chance hinkie would of been able to do what he did in philly in new york...
between the media and impatient fans it would of been a circus
You guys have some pretty ugly contracts on the books for at least this season and next. I'm honestly not sure what can be done to brighten your future until some of that dead weight is gone.
It seems like the Knicks just need an entire culture change. Now maybe there is little hope because of the owner, but they have to do something to entice free agents. Most players should want to play for the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics...
I don't follow close enough to know how Hornacek is viewed by the players and fans. Is it time to give a shot to a former player as their first HC gig that is younger and is more able to relate to the current players? I know Jerry Stackhouse has been working his way up the ranks for a few years. He or a coach like him might not be the longterm answer but it might just take convincing that first or second big(ish) name to sign and attract others.
There has been a culture change (entire front office overhaul). As far as ugly contracts, only Noah qualifies.
anything that Wally says that is extremely positive off the jump regarding the Knicks. He was on air last year saying Rose looked like the MVP again for the Knicks. So while he is high on Hardaway Jr, it doesn't mean much until the games are actually played. He is always super optimistic (not a bad thing).
anything that Wally says that is extremely positive off the jump regarding the Knicks. He was on air last year saying Rose looked like the MVP again for the Knicks. So while he is high on Hardaway Jr, it doesn't mean much until the games are actually played. He is always super optimistic (not a bad thing).
if hardaway continues to put up the numbers he put up in preseason in the regular season with average defense he earns that contract
really happy with Hornacek's quotes recently. Sounds like a lame duck who will play vets to keep his job. Hope he's all talk.
this is why hornacek should of been let go when perry was hired. if you want to go with a youth movement bring in a young coach to grow with them, a coach who doesnt feel like he is coaching for his job...
my guess tonight willy gets about 5 mins because he plays oquinn over him...
dotson wont play because lance thomas has to get minutes, i would rather see mcdermott...
frabk will get 5 minutes because sessions is starting and baker will probably be the back up..
Frank needs to get minutes since the guys ahead of him are clearly just placeholders/vet leaders, but I'm ok with KOQ/Thomas/Lee getting minutes early on so they can shop them and hopefully move them for some value (sooner rather than later). Even some 2nds are better than nothing.
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I do like that Perry is a bit younger and very engaged
anything that Wally says that is extremely positive off the jump regarding the Knicks. He was on air last year saying Rose looked like the MVP again for the Knicks. So while he is high on Hardaway Jr, it doesn't mean much until the games are actually played. He is always super optimistic (not a bad thing).
MSG TV is pretty much a propaganda machine in most cases. Just listen to Trautwig on a halftime show. But Wally sure wasn't afraid to lean into KP when he thought the camera and the mics weren't on last week.
fucking hated the Noah signing, less of an opinion of the THjr move (but more negative than positive admittedly) and even I have to acknowledge his offensive game looked more mature and diverse in pre-season. I really hope he doesn't try and replace Melo. He needs to be the #2 or #3 option and defer to KP. His defense looked poor.
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careful about judging defensive effort based on preseason efforts.
I think THJr makes a jump to the 22 ppg mark, but probably on lower efficiency numbers.
Meh. Even his defensive numbers last year where he was supposedly so much better showed him to be a push defender (and that was on a team with a coach who knows how to coach defense). Nothing to suggest he'd going to be even average on this team with so little help around him.
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Going to be a season long argument losing vs. winning so Im not going to bother wading into those waters. I wont tell others how to feel. I want a top 3 pick. Luka, MG3 or Porter please! But I wont knock people who want them to win. Just want KP to take a step forward and Frank to play and play well. I like Willy but I think its easy to find players like that so hes a lesser concern (still want him to play 20+ every night)
ONt particularly like Carmelo Anthony and never have (pre Knicks either) but I dont teally have any burning desire to beat him. If KP drops 37 and they beat him then wonderful. If Courtney Lee drops 27 and they win.. meh
being snarky but I thought Hornacek was some high tempo offensive minded guy... does anyone see any evidence of this? And if it's the roster then maybe he's not right for the job if that's the only offense he can run.
showing some nice flashes otherwise what exactly is the plan here? How does someone from the Australian league get burn in the first quarter for a contender but Frank and Willy don't? wow.
He is a teenager who played like max 40 games overseas with limited time there.
Plus he missed a lot of preseason time
He cant just jump in to being an NBA starter playing 30+ mins for 82 games.
It will destroy his confidence, get him hurt and destroy any development of a game for Porzingas.
Frank needs to develop into a player who can play 30+ minutes in a game by years end.
I knew nothing about him until very late lead up to the draft. What specifically about his game or athletic ability do you think warranted his pick?
warranted that pick
He is a teenager who played like max 40 games overseas with limited time there.
Plus he missed a lot of preseason time
He cant just jump in to being an NBA starter playing 30+ mins for 82 games.
It will destroy his confidence, get him hurt and destroy any development of a game for Porzingas.
Frank needs to develop into a player who can play 30+ minutes in a game by years end.
I knew nothing about him until very late lead up to the draft. What specifically about his game or athletic ability do you think warranted his pick?
warranted that pick
Well my point had nothing to do with whether or not Frank was a warranted selection at the Knicks spot in the draft.
My point was in response to whether or not he should be starting or playing a ton in Game 1 of the season.
It doesnt really matter if he was worth the pick or not at this point. He is who the Knicks have and that isnt going to change.
So at this point isnt a better to ask what will get him to be the most productive player he can be?
Given his age, his limited experience, his playing history and his preseason, I think he needs to be on the floor 10-15 ins a night in the early stages o the year to protect and develop him.
His assets as player though seem to be a great work ethic and attitude, plays defense very well, good court vision and poise. His standout quality is that he is very long, which cant be taught. This could help the Knicks develop an identity as Porzingas is too and can be the basis of a good defense. This is something Knicks have lacked since the 90s.He is very young and should continue to gain size, strength and get better with experience.
The Frank Ntkilina you see on the court today is not a finished product, he should have about 5 years of growth and development
He is a teenager who played like max 40 games overseas with limited time there.
Plus he missed a lot of preseason time
He cant just jump in to being an NBA starter playing 30+ mins for 82 games.
It will destroy his confidence, get him hurt and destroy any development of a game for Porzingas.
Frank needs to develop into a player who can play 30+ minutes in a game by years end.
I knew nothing about him until very late lead up to the draft. What specifically about his game or athletic ability do you think warranted his pick?
warranted that pick
Reasoning for wily not playing tonight? And in a rebuilding year why isnt the rookie FK pg not playing more?? Sessions is garbage. And signing Isiah hicks ughhh. Why dont UNC players pan out in the nba?? When was their last all star?
Reasoning for wily not playing tonight? And in a rebuilding year why isnt the rookie FK pg not playing more?? Sessions is garbage. And signing Isiah hicks ughhh. Why dont UNC players pan out in the nba?? When was their last all star?
It's not worth getting upset about. This team sucks. They're absolutely horrific. Just wish for losses and embarrassment. Maybe the team gets sold. Not happening. Not it's the only chance we have.
Easy to see how terrible we are though - defense is putrid, point guard play is garbage, no scorer on the second unit, coaching staff is a joke. I see 25 wins.
We may be looking at high teens. Maybe worse.
Baker is awful. If we cut him tomorrow would a single team pick him up? Lance is still awful. Frank? Let's just hope it was jitters. KP needs to work on moving the ball when he's covered. Hardaway needs to do more out there. There's just too many bigs - and it's going to get worse when Noah comes back.
One of the problems with Willy barely playing and Ntilikina
than I'm not going to bother tuning in. The future of this team is KP, Frank, Wily, and I guess THJr. That's the guys I tune in to watch, not freaking O'Quinn and Lance Thomas for God's sake.
any expectations. I also have a sneaking suspicion that I will lose interest after a week when scrubs like Thomas and Baker are logging minutes.
Ive already given up on Hornacek. I hope Perry does the right thing and get all the useless veterans off the team.
I will root for Frank, but it will be annoying as all hell when Frank struggles to get minutes on this lousy team when other players we couldve picked are making waves elsewhere.
Isn't going to play the vets in an attempt to win as much as he can to keep his job. Obviously I understand the desire not to get fired, but the young players need to play and I hope this is not the reason.
Maybe the Knicks are trying to drum up interest in kanter and oquinn
By playing them heavy minutes. They like gomez. I can't imagine they just soured on the kid before game 1.
Frank is going to need time. That's fine. KP looked unstoppable on offense. That's great. The tank is off to a fine start. That's good. Gomez barely played. Not good but maybe it's a temporary thing.
OKLAHOMA CITY Center Willy Hernangomez, the young building block who was a first-team All-Rookie selection, found himself out of the rotation in the season opener Thursday versus the Thunder. As expected Enes Kanter started and Kyle OQuinn got 22 minutes as the backup.
With 3:46 left, Hernangomez was put in during garbage time of the Knicks 105-84 season-opening loss. The Spaniard found out at the morning shootaround from coach Jeff Hornacek he wouldnt be in the rotation and its about his lax defense.
He told me be ready, Hernangomez said. Im not worried about that. Its the first game. Im just mad we lost.
He knows I can score. I have to focus on defense, try to do defensive things. Coach wants me to put my mind on defense. I have to keep working on defense and hopefully the minutes will come.
Hornacek said Hernangomez is not far behind.
We have a lot of bigs, Hornacek said. KO and Enes earned the minutes in training camp.
If they're using defensive play as a barometer for gaining minutes on the floor, then how on God's earth, is Enes Kanter starting? His defense is horrific.
For the life of me, I could t u understand why they re-signed Baker
Bravo to Hornacek. This isnt just about playing the young guys. As much bad can come from playing as it can good. Its about setting a culture, if Hernangomez is lacking with his effort on Defense, then he hasnt earned playing and this would only develop worse over time. This is a chance to set a new culture. If Hernangomez can learn to put equal effort on Defense now, he may develop into a real player over time.
Kanter is an experienced veteran who is a much better offensive player. He isnt being handed a job and playing time due to his age alone.
OKLAHOMA CITY Center Willy Hernangomez, the young building block who was a first-team All-Rookie selection, found himself out of the rotation in the season opener Thursday versus the Thunder. As expected Enes Kanter started and Kyle OQuinn got 22 minutes as the backup.
With 3:46 left, Hernangomez was put in during garbage time of the Knicks 105-84 season-opening loss. The Spaniard found out at the morning shootaround from coach Jeff Hornacek he wouldnt be in the rotation and its about his lax defense.
He told me be ready, Hernangomez said. Im not worried about that. Its the first game. Im just mad we lost.
He knows I can score. I have to focus on defense, try to do defensive things. Coach wants me to put my mind on defense. I have to keep working on defense and hopefully the minutes will come.
Hornacek said Hernangomez is not far behind.
We have a lot of bigs, Hornacek said. KO and Enes earned the minutes in training camp.
If they're using defensive play as a barometer for gaining minutes on the floor, then how on God's earth, is Enes Kanter starting? His defense is horrific.
Other than KP (sort of said by djm)? I don't know I'm stretching. Has to be some explanation. Don't see Frank being a stud. Just not athletic enough for a PG. where was Hardaway and Lee?
bodies Lonzo, shuts him down (ONE game) and Lavar is already chirping like a moron. Your son got shut down by a premier defender. Accept it and shut up. It's ONE game.
bodies Lonzo, shuts him down (ONE game) and Lavar is already chirping like a moron. Your son got shut down by a premier defender. Accept it and shut up. It's ONE game.
i think eveeyone who guarss him is going to try and body him and be physical...
1. Development of KP
2. Tank
3. Development of Frank
4. Development of Willy
5. Collect additional assets for future
Since Frank is so young and raw, you could argue he doesn't need 20+ min a night this season and thus the tank is the #2 priority. You could also argue that highlighting some of the vets (Kanter, KOQ, Lee, etc) early on in the hopes that they flash enough to bring back a late first or some 2nd round picks is a higher priority than I have it listed. Move the roster waste, then get Willy/Frank more minutes.
Ron Baker was bad and frustrating to watch get that many minutes
everyone else different levels of mediocre to awful. When Kanter was in the game OKC was feasting on him. Westbrook getting passes to Adams for easy buckets with Kanter's head on a swivel
RE: RE: My sentiment remains the same as it was before the game
The kids need to buy into that, even when facing the fear of being embarrassed by fast breaks by star studded teams, those happen, may have to let them happen at times.
It would appear to be two games, when we grab a turn over, style A, and the more half court game, style B.
Lacking our turnover, it seems like young players get sucked into running back against scary teams and leave points unscored, things devolve, get wild, and that's not a great match up yet.
"kids"? Frank nor Willy really played and neither played at all when the game was somewhat close early. Not being snarky but when the game was "competitive" early the players on the court were Ramon Sessions, Hardaway, Lee, KOQ and KP. It's one game. So I'm not going to go bonkers but lets not look for positives that weren't there. KP was fantastic everyone else was either "mediocre", garbage or hot garbage. The "kids" didn't play.
game managed to be worse than anyone could have expected. Not the outcome (expected) but the lack of PT for Willy/Frank and the lack of good performances. Outside of KP getting hurt and or playing poorly it would be hard to script a worse game.
Bring in Baker, immediately start loosing turnovers, bring in Thomas, start loosing rebounds.
The Knicks have some good, athletic pieces that will fit fairly well once one decides not to play those types of guys...Nili getting up to speed will be huge.
"kids"? Frank nor Willy really played and neither played at all when the game was somewhat close early. Not being snarky but when the game was "competitive" early the players on the court were Ramon Sessions, Hardaway, Lee, KOQ and KP. It's one game. So I'm not going to go bonkers but lets not look for positives that weren't there. KP was fantastic everyone else was either "mediocre", garbage or hot garbage. The "kids" didn't play.
which is a different problem, and one that falls om hornacek...
perry and mills when they decided to go with a youth movement should of sat hornacek down and said you play the young guys...
not looking to single out Kanter (because the team is awful) but I have a very hard time believing his weight was what held him back defensively. He seems confused on defense, doesn't even defend entry passes and seems mentally to be a tick slow in reacting. I'd 100% love to be proven wrong.
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it is shit but they are finally rebuilding right way, i can deal with losing if they contonue to do it the roght way
it remains to be seen if they're going to rebuild the right way. Most, if not all, of the moves they made this summer indicate otherwise.
not really, thjr has improved and is under 25, he gets to what he did in preseason you got a good yoing player...
for kanter and mcdermotts warts they are both only 25 and both could be free agents..
they got a high 2nd
beasley is 28 on a 1 year vet contract..
sessions is here for 1 year as a placeholder..
jack will be gone in 11 games...
what move says they are trying to win now?
I didn't say they're trying to win now - I said they're not rebuilding the right way. If the Hardaway contract was such a sound investment, Atlanta would have matched. A guy like Beasley has no business on this team - I don't care how old he is or what his contract is. Saying Kanter/McDermott can be free agents only proves my point. Instead of prioritizing controllable pieces for Melo they brought in these two guys. Kanter clogs the frontcourt and is likely opting in next summer, thereby reducing cap space. If McDermott plays well, you get to pay him next summer or lose him for nothing! Yeah! An intelligent rebuild prioritizes assets, flexibility, cap space, etc. Instead, we have a team president who saw fit to give Ron Baker 2/10 with a player option.
once our guys got off their game, it was easy pickings.
That said, keep the duds out and Knicks can find a 'Knicks style' that works. One hopes that coach, like coach here at NYG, was not under pressure to play duds like Baker and Thomas.
Sessions is a bit of a dud also. Not worried, though, I don't think they planned to loose a player early.
and according to hornacek it was because of preseason
yeah the optics on Baker were not good. Very, very sloppy for such a mediocre player. That said I think Baker should only be the primary ball handler when necessary, that's on Hornacek.
RE: and according to hornacek it was because of preseason
anyone who watched preseason and said oquinn played better than willy is a moron
and how does Willy improve his defense/defensive effort without playing? If the Knicks have ANYTHING of value this year it's the ability to really get a look at players and cycle through them.
RE: RE: and according to hornacek it was because of preseason
anyone who watched preseason and said oquinn played better than willy is a moron
and how does Willy improve his defense/defensive effort without playing? If the Knicks have ANYTHING of value this year it's the ability to really get a look at players and cycle through them.
agree 100%, willy was 1st team all rookie last year and now he is not playing?
Hornacek was so disappointed in Willy's defense in pre-season that he didn't make ANY mention of it until after the game last night? Again, if Frank does XYZ poorly I guess we will bench him?
Hornacek was so disappointed in Willy's defense in pre-season that he didn't make ANY mention of it until after the game last night? Again, if Frank does XYZ poorly I guess we will bench him?
i was ok with losing if the young guys were playing...
but if hornacek is going to play sessions, baker, oquinn and lance thomas and the team is going to lose by 20 every night i cant watch that shit...
and dont think what happened to melo wont be in the back of kps mind when that time comes
a new kind of losing for us. The post Checketts teams were mediocre but still had enough vet talent to be somewhat competitive, albeit in a weaker overall league. The early Walsh teams sucked, but they were very entertaining thanks to what Isiah left behind (Crawford, Lee, Nate, etc.) The recent bad teams still had Melo who could at least get his own shot and was more of a safety net than people realize. We know they're going to be bad on defense but the offense could be a tire fire as well thanks to the horrid PG situation. This is going to be ugly.
when they had a beef with Hornacek, because they're fucking lunatics anyway. Now we know Hornacek is an issue, too. KP wasn't happy with him last year, and Willy can't be happy with him now. And can anyone take a stab at the offense we were running last night?
and yea, the tank might be on, but let's remember that OKC is a likely top 3 team and the Knicks were on the road at OKC's home opener. You can't underestimate just how bad most of these east teams are. I'll believe they are a real contender for the #1-#3 lottery seeds after they lose games to teams like Charlotte and Detroit and look bad.
JFC is this going to be the daily refrain around here? You guys realize that one game in year one is not ample time to close the book on a player's career?
Christ...you guys live to be miserable. One game fuckos. One. Send DSJ to the HOF and Frank to the CBA!!
I don't like Horn either but you might want to give the guy more than one game before you decapitate him and his Knicks coaching career simply because Gomez didn't play enough minutes.
they are going to suck massive balls this season. We knew that and kind of want that. Gomez will play sooner than later. If he doesn't, it probably means he sucks balls worse than Kanter sucks balls. I highly doubt Gomez is undeserving of sitting due to a lack of defensive awareness. The guy's a mess on D.
they are going to suck massive balls this season. We knew that and kind of want that. Gomez will play sooner than later. If he doesn't, it probably means he sucks balls worse than Kanter sucks balls. I highly doubt Gomez is undeserving of sitting due to a lack of defensive awareness. The guy's a mess on D.
Kanter's a mess on D as well. Willy not playing was fucking stupid.
they are going to suck massive balls this season. We knew that and kind of want that. Gomez will play sooner than later. If he doesn't, it probably means he sucks balls worse than Kanter sucks balls. I highly doubt Gomez is undeserving of sitting due to a lack of defensive awareness. The guy's a mess on D.
Kanter's a mess on D as well. Willy not playing was fucking stupid.
Like I said, it's a very young player and we're talking ONE game here. Can Horn send a message or is that not how we want him to coach? One game...if Gomez isn't playing all year long then I will kill him. He's going to play. Bet on it.
Bravo to Hornacek. This isnt just about playing the young guys. As much bad can come from playing as it can good. Its about setting a culture, if Hernangomez is lacking with his effort on Defense, then he hasnt earned playing and this would only develop worse over time. This is a chance to set a new culture. If Hernangomez can learn to put equal effort on Defense now, he may develop into a real player over time.
Kanter is an experienced veteran who is a much better offensive player. He isnt being handed a job and playing time due to his age alone.
Eh... I might go with this if I didn't see Kanter fall asleep on a non-existent pick and roll while Adams cut to the basket for the easiest alley-oop of the game. Add in his team high turnovers from when he thought he was Hakeem Olajuwon dribbling and spinning around the basket and we see that whatever lessons they're trying to teach Willy can be applied to the starter too.
and yea, the tank might be on, but let's remember that OKC is a likely top 3 team and the Knicks were on the road at OKC's home opener. You can't underestimate just how bad most of these east teams are. I'll believe they are a real contender for the #1-#3 lottery seeds after they lose games to teams like Charlotte and Detroit and look bad.
? Charlotte is a borderline playoff team. The Knicks should lose to them. On paper they are the clear superior team. They won 36 games and added Howard.
you can't keep credibility as a coach when you....
from Hornacek is code for "we want to showcase Kanter so we can trade him". Although, by now the whole league knows what he is so it really shouldn't make much of a difference.
what it's worth 538 projects the Knicks to win 30 games, Charlotte 44, Detroit 36.
How is that even possible in today's game when you need a PG (outside of Milwaukee) to win and the Knicks have the absolute worst PG situation in the sport by a mile? (It's depressing as a Knicks fan that the team with the 2nd worst PG situation is starting Jerian Grant.) I don't foresee any way 7 teams have worse records than the Knicks. For that to happen, KP would have to turn into peak Dirk already and even more importantly, Hornacek would have to turn into Rick Carlisle.
from Hornacek is code for "we want to showcase Kanter so we can trade him". Although, by now the whole league knows what he is so it really shouldn't make much of a difference.
What's a realistic return for a guy who will opt out?
I'm not sure I get why everyone's got such strong feelings
from Hornacek is code for "we want to showcase Kanter so we can trade him". Although, by now the whole league knows what he is so it really shouldn't make much of a difference.
What's a realistic return for a guy who will opt out?
people that cover the league don't think he's opting out.
About last night. People seem almost as pissed as when Hardaway accidentally won them a game a few years ago.
There's only 3 players anyone gives a shit about on the roster (sorry Damyean) and most of us don't expect to see Frank playing 30 (or even 20) minutes a night right away. So when Willy gets 4 minutes, this shit becomes even more difficult to watch. The Enes Kantor trade value thing is legitimate, but KOQ too?
Jack at PG with Frank as the backup and see if we can reduce the turnovers. Sessions and Baker had a hard time with pressure and some of the pressure was Fat Ray. Couldn't hurt.
for blasting anything Knicks related, especially the PG but it's so early to be blasting Frank and praising DSJ. Guy I work with is relentless on this thing too....
I can't get angry this early it's pointless.
RE: you can't keep credibility as a coach when you....
A)Bench Willy for his weak defense.
B)Start Enes Kanter and play him for 30 minutes.
I don't buy that. You can bench a young player anytime no matter who is in front of him if the team sucks anyway and you're trying to send a message.
Like I said I will kill Horn if this continues but it's one game. Kanter might even be worse right now than Gomez but Gomez is still young enough to mold. Kanter is what he is.
About last night. People seem almost as pissed as when Hardaway accidentally won them a game a few years ago.
There's only 3 players anyone gives a shit about on the roster (sorry Damyean) and most of us don't expect to see Frank playing 30 (or even 20) minutes a night right away. So when Willy gets 4 minutes, this shit becomes even more difficult to watch. The Enes Kantor trade value thing is legitimate, but KOQ too?
Why wouldn't O'Quinn be considered a trade chip? He's very likely the most tradeable thing they have left.
Anyway, it's basketball. Coaches use the first two weeks to figure out their best personnel groups. They were never going to play just one lineup of all the kids for all 82 games.
RE: RE: Frank Ntkilina is not physically ready to play
At least they are young and building towards the future, better than old vets who cant play anymore
if simmons could ever get a consistent mid range he and embiid could be a deadly 2 man game combo
-Utah will be better than people expect them to be
-Simmons 18, 10 and 5. Kid is the goods
- Wall at times is unguardable. One of the most exciting players in the NBA
- Greek Freak may win MVP this year
-Tatum looked good, Brown looks like a different player
-DSJ 16 points, 10 assists, 3 boards in his pro debut...
-Mitchell 3/11 , 10 points 4 assists
-Capela 22, 17 and 3, 10/12 from the field in only 28 minutes, dayum
-Personal favorite Skal 12 and 10 5/9 from the field
-Fox 14, 4 and 5 in only 24 minutes
Obviously I hope I'm wrong.
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tonight, you'll get to follow a shitty basketball team as well.
At least they are young and building towards the future, better than old vets who cant play anymore
I hope so. Then again, we're on what, year 17 of 'hoping so'?
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tonight, you'll get to follow a shitty basketball team as well.
At least they are young and building towards the future, better than old vets who cant play anymore
I hope so. Then again, we're on what, year 17 of 'hoping so'?
when have the knicks ever built through the draft?
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tonight, you'll get to follow a shitty basketball team as well.
At least they are young and building towards the future, better than old vets who cant play anymore
I hope so. Then again, we're on what, year 17 of 'hoping so'?
when have the knicks ever built through the draft?
1966-1970 :-)
this is why hornacek should of been let go when perry was hired. if you want to go with a youth movement bring in a young coach to grow with them, a coach who doesnt feel like he is coaching for his job...
my guess tonight willy gets about 5 mins because he plays oquinn over him...
dotson wont play because lance thomas has to get minutes, i would rather see mcdermott...
frabk will get 5 minutes because sessions is starting and baker will probably be the back up..
Because I think we're gonna see a lot of big box scores from DSJ all year long.
Yeah, I guess if that is true then it's reasonable to pass. I just really thought DSJ was the better player at that pick and it's not like Frank is off to a super healthy start to his career. At this point, I have to hope Frank is awesome though and we don't regret passing on DSJ
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It seems like the Knicks just need an entire culture change. Now maybe there is little hope because of the owner, but they have to do something to entice free agents. Most players should want to play for the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics...
I don't follow close enough to know how Hornacek is viewed by the players and fans. Is it time to give a shot to a former player as their first HC gig that is younger and is more able to relate to the current players? I know Jerry Stackhouse has been working his way up the ranks for a few years. He or a coach like him might not be the longterm answer but it might just take convincing that first or second big(ish) name to sign and attract others.
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At least they are young and building towards the future, better than old vets who cant play anymore
Year 10 of being young and building for the future. The Knicks definition of "future" is different than mine.
Hornacek basically said Kanter is the starter which is "fine" if Willy gets his minutes but the concern comes when Noah returns. Someone is losing minutes...
It seems like the Knicks just need an entire culture change. Now maybe there is little hope because of the owner, but they have to do something to entice free agents. Most players should want to play for the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics...
I don't follow close enough to know how Hornacek is viewed by the players and fans. Is it time to give a shot to a former player as their first HC gig that is younger and is more able to relate to the current players? I know Jerry Stackhouse has been working his way up the ranks for a few years. He or a coach like him might not be the longterm answer but it might just take convincing that first or second big(ish) name to sign and attract others.
knicms building through draft not through free agency, no more quick fixes...
i feel bad for him but he is always hurt and he milks everything...
if simmons could ever get a consistent mid range he and embiid could be a deadly 2 man game combo
Watching them last night and I was thinking how good this team could be. Even if Fultz is a bust( not saying he is), they could survive it and still be really good just because of Embiid and Simmons. I also really like Covington.
Hinkies could turn out to look like a real genius. I would have loved for the knicks to bring him in.
Not encouraged by him either... But, 1) gotta give him a chance to run the team without the zen master micromanaging. And 2) him failing has the benefit of helping the tank and then Perry can pick his own guy.
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Illgauskas is the only guy I can think of. He'll always be an injury risk, but his talent is undeniable. He's a dominant player when on the court.
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it will be interesting to see how simmons and fulz mesh together..
if simmons could ever get a consistent mid range he and embiid could be a deadly 2 man game combo
Watching them last night and I was thinking how good this team could be. Even if Fultz is a bust( not saying he is), they could survive it and still be really good just because of Embiid and Simmons. I also really like Covington.
Hinkies could turn out to look like a real genius. I would have loved for the knicks to bring him in.
there is zero chance hinkie would of been able to do what he did in philly in new york...
between the media and impatient fans it would of been a circus
It seems like the Knicks just need an entire culture change. Now maybe there is little hope because of the owner, but they have to do something to entice free agents. Most players should want to play for the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics...
I don't follow close enough to know how Hornacek is viewed by the players and fans. Is it time to give a shot to a former player as their first HC gig that is younger and is more able to relate to the current players? I know Jerry Stackhouse has been working his way up the ranks for a few years. He or a coach like him might not be the longterm answer but it might just take convincing that first or second big(ish) name to sign and attract others.
There has been a culture change (entire front office overhaul). As far as ugly contracts, only Noah qualifies.
Obviously I hope I'm wrong.
Oh you will not be wrong.
if hardaway continues to put up the numbers he put up in preseason in the regular season with average defense he earns that contract
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this is why hornacek should of been let go when perry was hired. if you want to go with a youth movement bring in a young coach to grow with them, a coach who doesnt feel like he is coaching for his job...
my guess tonight willy gets about 5 mins because he plays oquinn over him...
dotson wont play because lance thomas has to get minutes, i would rather see mcdermott...
frabk will get 5 minutes because sessions is starting and baker will probably be the back up..
Frank needs to get minutes since the guys ahead of him are clearly just placeholders/vet leaders, but I'm ok with KOQ/Thomas/Lee getting minutes early on so they can shop them and hopefully move them for some value (sooner rather than later). Even some 2nds are better than nothing.
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Knicks GM Scott Perry has said he wants to be around the team on the road regularly to properly evaluate things.
MSG TV is pretty much a propaganda machine in most cases. Just listen to Trautwig on a halftime show. But Wally sure wasn't afraid to lean into KP when he thought the camera and the mics weren't on last week.
I think THJr makes a jump to the 22 ppg mark, but probably on lower efficiency numbers.
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What a contrast to Phil Jackson
I think THJr makes a jump to the 22 ppg mark, but probably on lower efficiency numbers.
Meh. Even his defensive numbers last year where he was supposedly so much better showed him to be a push defender (and that was on a team with a coach who knows how to coach defense). Nothing to suggest he'd going to be even average on this team with so little help around him.
It's a valid concern until he proves otherwise.
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I'm rooting for the upset even as highly unlikely is is to happen.
I hear ya dude. But this team has been horrific for over a decade. Enough.
I just prefer to root for my teams to win. Never could get into the rooting against my team thing.
You don't think it would be fun for KP to take it to Melo tonight and lead the team to a win?
I agree not to likely to happen but it would be fun to watch.
Again not very likley to even happen though.
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Care less about beating Melo. KP/Frank/Willy/Dotson getting their minutes and playing well and losing 82 games. Do it
You don't think it would be fun for KP to take it to Melo tonight and lead the team to a win?
I agree not to likely to happen but it would be fun to watch.
Fun?
We want this team to lose lose lose. Fuck it. Destroy this team.
Maybe after almost 20 years of fucktitude some people will wake up and stop enabling the man-child kazoo-playing born on third base douchebag.
But no. It'll be so coooool to beat Melo on opening night. Gtfoh.
How else will the awesome Squarespace logo pop on the jersey?
No point in getting angry over this circus this year.
At least Melo still plays the same defense. Lol
So glad hes off the roster.
Nice alley-oop, Fat Ray.
Im sick if this shit already. Lolol
These lineups are dumb, thugh. Play Willy and Frank!
(Too soon?)
Gotta love it...
Beasley with a sprain.
Yeah. Hes the third option. Maybe fourth some nights. Lol
Plus he missed a lot of preseason time
He cant just jump in to being an NBA starter playing 30+ mins for 82 games.
It will destroy his confidence, get him hurt and destroy any development of a game for Porzingas.
Frank needs to develop into a player who can play 30+ minutes in a game by years end.
We need to start to figure out a system that works for him and the type of players that he needs to play with.
Thats the key.
Plus he missed a lot of preseason time
He cant just jump in to being an NBA starter playing 30+ mins for 82 games.
It will destroy his confidence, get him hurt and destroy any development of a game for Porzingas.
Frank needs to develop into a player who can play 30+ minutes in a game by years end.
warranted that pick
also fuck jeff hornacek
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He is a teenager who played like max 40 games overseas with limited time there.
Plus he missed a lot of preseason time
He cant just jump in to being an NBA starter playing 30+ mins for 82 games.
It will destroy his confidence, get him hurt and destroy any development of a game for Porzingas.
Frank needs to develop into a player who can play 30+ minutes in a game by years end.
I knew nothing about him until very late lead up to the draft. What specifically about his game or athletic ability do you think warranted his pick?
warranted that pick
Plus defense, intelligence
Beaesley with a sprain.
All rookie team to zero minutes in his sophomore opener? WTF?
such fucking bullshit we have to watch oquinn and lance fucking thomas
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that Hernangomez has played the same number of minutes as me tonight.
Beaesley with a sprain.
All rookie team to zero minutes in his sophomore opener? WTF?
Is there a legit reason? Injury? Hornacek?
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that Hernangomez has played the same number of minutes as me tonight.
Beaesley with a sprain.
All rookie team to zero minutes in his sophomore opener? WTF?
Is there a legit reason? Injury? Hornacek?
hornacek is a moron
My point was in response to whether or not he should be starting or playing a ton in Game 1 of the season.
It doesnt really matter if he was worth the pick or not at this point. He is who the Knicks have and that isnt going to change.
So at this point isnt a better to ask what will get him to be the most productive player he can be?
Given his age, his limited experience, his playing history and his preseason, I think he needs to be on the floor 10-15 ins a night in the early stages o the year to protect and develop him.
His assets as player though seem to be a great work ethic and attitude, plays defense very well, good court vision and poise. His standout quality is that he is very long, which cant be taught. This could help the Knicks develop an identity as Porzingas is too and can be the basis of a good defense. This is something Knicks have lacked since the 90s.He is very young and should continue to gain size, strength and get better with experience.
The Frank Ntkilina you see on the court today is not a finished product, he should have about 5 years of growth and development
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He is a teenager who played like max 40 games overseas with limited time there.
Plus he missed a lot of preseason time
He cant just jump in to being an NBA starter playing 30+ mins for 82 games.
It will destroy his confidence, get him hurt and destroy any development of a game for Porzingas.
Frank needs to develop into a player who can play 30+ minutes in a game by years end.
I knew nothing about him until very late lead up to the draft. What specifically about his game or athletic ability do you think warranted his pick?
warranted that pick
I'm not sure Ron Baker is even a NBA player. He looks terrible.
This team is awesome.
So fun to watch.
Baker fucking sucks.
It's not worth getting upset about. This team sucks. They're absolutely horrific. Just wish for losses and embarrassment. Maybe the team gets sold. Not happening. Not it's the only chance we have.
the good:
1. KP!
2. Easy argument to be made for more Willy and Frank
the bad:
1. Hornacek has not play Willy and Frank
2. Pick up the pace a little bit!
3. More KP at center.
Name: Willy Hernangomez
Last seen on the #Knicks bench looking pretty healthy
Does Willy's 4 minutes go away when Noah comes back?
Baker is awful. If we cut him tomorrow would a single team pick him up? Lance is still awful. Frank? Let's just hope it was jitters. KP needs to work on moving the ball when he's covered. Hardaway needs to do more out there. There's just too many bigs - and it's going to get worse when Noah comes back.
hornacek can go fuck himself from thia positive knkcks fan
Ive already given up on Hornacek. I hope Perry does the right thing and get all the useless veterans off the team.
I will root for Frank, but it will be annoying as all hell when Frank struggles to get minutes on this lousy team when other players we couldve picked are making waves elsewhere.
Frank is going to need time. That's fine. KP looked unstoppable on offense. That's great. The tank is off to a fine start. That's good. Gomez barely played. Not good but maybe it's a temporary thing.
With 3:46 left, Hernangomez was put in during garbage time of the Knicks 105-84 season-opening loss. The Spaniard found out at the morning shootaround from coach Jeff Hornacek he wouldnt be in the rotation and its about his lax defense.
He told me be ready, Hernangomez said. Im not worried about that. Its the first game. Im just mad we lost.
He knows I can score. I have to focus on defense, try to do defensive things. Coach wants me to put my mind on defense. I have to keep working on defense and hopefully the minutes will come.
Hornacek said Hernangomez is not far behind.
We have a lot of bigs, Hornacek said. KO and Enes earned the minutes in training camp.
If they're using defensive play as a barometer for gaining minutes on the floor, then how on God's earth, is Enes Kanter starting? His defense is horrific.
Bravo to Hornacek. This isnt just about playing the young guys. As much bad can come from playing as it can good. Its about setting a culture, if Hernangomez is lacking with his effort on Defense, then he hasnt earned playing and this would only develop worse over time. This is a chance to set a new culture. If Hernangomez can learn to put equal effort on Defense now, he may develop into a real player over time.
Kanter is an experienced veteran who is a much better offensive player. He isnt being handed a job and playing time due to his age alone.
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OKLAHOMA CITY Center Willy Hernangomez, the young building block who was a first-team All-Rookie selection, found himself out of the rotation in the season opener Thursday versus the Thunder. As expected Enes Kanter started and Kyle OQuinn got 22 minutes as the backup.
With 3:46 left, Hernangomez was put in during garbage time of the Knicks 105-84 season-opening loss. The Spaniard found out at the morning shootaround from coach Jeff Hornacek he wouldnt be in the rotation and its about his lax defense.
He told me be ready, Hernangomez said. Im not worried about that. Its the first game. Im just mad we lost.
He knows I can score. I have to focus on defense, try to do defensive things. Coach wants me to put my mind on defense. I have to keep working on defense and hopefully the minutes will come.
Hornacek said Hernangomez is not far behind.
We have a lot of bigs, Hornacek said. KO and Enes earned the minutes in training camp.
If they're using defensive play as a barometer for gaining minutes on the floor, then how on God's earth, is Enes Kanter starting? His defense is horrific.
A kid going out air balling shots is not going to help him. Maybe his knee was hurting him or he was overwhelmed by his first NBA game.
But he clearly wasnt ready for more minutes.
And of course Frank wasn't ready. He played about five quarters of basketball since the draft.
But if the goal is draft position, then I hope Kanter and Baker start 82 games. It's not going to be a fun viewing experience.
Not happy to have him back and he did not change my mind last night.
Knicks big 3 - KP, Lee, THjr - yuck
Well, good thing we have college basketball
First quarter of opening night, Ron Baker covering Westbrook.
That says it all.
How is Felton still in the league? Would he be the best guard on the Knicks right now?
Not happy to have him back and he did not change my mind last night.
Knicks big 3 - KP, Lee, THjr - yuck
Well, good thing we have college basketball
First quarter of opening night, Ron Baker covering Westbrook.
That says it all.
thjr played extremely well in preseason, it is one game
DeAndre Jordan 14 and... 24!
Austin Rivers with a sweet 26 minute 2 point performance
Markkanen 17 and 8 (5/12, 33 minutes played)
i think eveeyone who guarss him is going to try and body him and be physical...
How is Felton still in the league? Would he be the best guard on the Knicks right now?
fat Ray would be our undisputed starter at PG.
1. Development of KP
2. Tank
3. Development of Frank
4. Development of Willy
5. Collect additional assets for future
Since Frank is so young and raw, you could argue he doesn't need 20+ min a night this season and thus the tank is the #2 priority. You could also argue that highlighting some of the vets (Kanter, KOQ, Lee, etc) early on in the hopes that they flash enough to bring back a late first or some 2nd round picks is a higher priority than I have it listed. Move the roster waste, then get Willy/Frank more minutes.
Beasley calling for the ball on one leg was hilarious.
KP was really good. Him stuffing Melo and that crazy floater in the lane were the highlights of the game for me.
it is shit but they are finally rebuilding right way, i can deal with losing if they contonue to do it the roght way
-KP great
everyone else different levels of mediocre to awful. When Kanter was in the game OKC was feasting on him. Westbrook getting passes to Adams for easy buckets with Kanter's head on a swivel
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Oh great, another year of this shit.
it is shit but they are finally rebuilding right way, i can deal with losing if they contonue to do it the roght way
it remains to be seen if they're going to rebuild the right way. Most, if not all, of the moves they made this summer indicate otherwise.
Hopefully he's just here long enough to be dealt off for an extra pick at some point.
Lance Thomas is a dud, seems to lag behind the action. Sessions is a meh.
Game seemed fairly competitive before they put Thomas and Baker in.
Seems like Kanter will come around once things start to sync.
Gotta get Nili ready asap.
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Oh great, another year of this shit.
it is shit but they are finally rebuilding right way, i can deal with losing if they contonue to do it the roght way
it remains to be seen if they're going to rebuild the right way. Most, if not all, of the moves they made this summer indicate otherwise.
not really, thjr has improved and is under 25, he gets to what he did in preseason you got a good yoing player...
for kanter and mcdermotts warts they are both only 25 and both could be free agents..
they got a high 2nd
beasley is 28 on a 1 year vet contract..
sessions is here for 1 year as a placeholder..
jack will be gone in 11 games...
what move says they are trying to win now?
boggles my mind..
The kids need to buy into that, even when facing the fear of being embarrassed by fast breaks by star studded teams, those happen, may have to let them happen at times.
It would appear to be two games, when we grab a turn over, style A, and the more half court game, style B.
Lacking our turnover, it seems like young players get sucked into running back against scary teams and leave points unscored, things devolve, get wild, and that's not a great match up yet.
Bring in Baker, immediately start loosing turnovers, bring in Thomas, start loosing rebounds.
The Knicks have some good, athletic pieces that will fit fairly well once one decides not to play those types of guys...Nili getting up to speed will be huge.
which is a different problem, and one that falls om hornacek...
perry and mills when they decided to go with a youth movement should of sat hornacek down and said you play the young guys...
willy getting no minutes is absolute bullshit
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Oh great, another year of this shit.
it is shit but they are finally rebuilding right way, i can deal with losing if they contonue to do it the roght way
it remains to be seen if they're going to rebuild the right way. Most, if not all, of the moves they made this summer indicate otherwise.
not really, thjr has improved and is under 25, he gets to what he did in preseason you got a good yoing player...
for kanter and mcdermotts warts they are both only 25 and both could be free agents..
they got a high 2nd
beasley is 28 on a 1 year vet contract..
sessions is here for 1 year as a placeholder..
jack will be gone in 11 games...
what move says they are trying to win now?
I didn't say they're trying to win now - I said they're not rebuilding the right way. If the Hardaway contract was such a sound investment, Atlanta would have matched. A guy like Beasley has no business on this team - I don't care how old he is or what his contract is. Saying Kanter/McDermott can be free agents only proves my point. Instead of prioritizing controllable pieces for Melo they brought in these two guys. Kanter clogs the frontcourt and is likely opting in next summer, thereby reducing cap space. If McDermott plays well, you get to pay him next summer or lose him for nothing! Yeah! An intelligent rebuild prioritizes assets, flexibility, cap space, etc. Instead, we have a team president who saw fit to give Ron Baker 2/10 with a player option.
That said, keep the duds out and Knicks can find a 'Knicks style' that works. One hopes that coach, like coach here at NYG, was not under pressure to play duds like Baker and Thomas.
Sessions is a bit of a dud also. Not worried, though, I don't think they planned to loose a player early.
and how does Willy improve his defense/defensive effort without playing? If the Knicks have ANYTHING of value this year it's the ability to really get a look at players and cycle through them.
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anyone who watched preseason and said oquinn played better than willy is a moron
and how does Willy improve his defense/defensive effort without playing? If the Knicks have ANYTHING of value this year it's the ability to really get a look at players and cycle through them.
agree 100%, willy was 1st team all rookie last year and now he is not playing?
i was ok with losing if the young guys were playing...
but if hornacek is going to play sessions, baker, oquinn and lance thomas and the team is going to lose by 20 every night i cant watch that shit...
and dont think what happened to melo wont be in the back of kps mind when that time comes
JFC is this going to be the daily refrain around here? You guys realize that one game in year one is not ample time to close the book on a player's career?
Christ...you guys live to be miserable. One game fuckos. One. Send DSJ to the HOF and Frank to the CBA!!
I don't like Horn either but you might want to give the guy more than one game before you decapitate him and his Knicks coaching career simply because Gomez didn't play enough minutes.
And he seemed to take Pee Wee Herman steps every time he had the ball in the paint, did not get called every time.
Kanter's a mess on D as well. Willy not playing was fucking stupid.
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they are going to suck massive balls this season. We knew that and kind of want that. Gomez will play sooner than later. If he doesn't, it probably means he sucks balls worse than Kanter sucks balls. I highly doubt Gomez is undeserving of sitting due to a lack of defensive awareness. The guy's a mess on D.
Kanter's a mess on D as well. Willy not playing was fucking stupid.
Like I said, it's a very young player and we're talking ONE game here. Can Horn send a message or is that not how we want him to coach? One game...if Gomez isn't playing all year long then I will kill him. He's going to play. Bet on it.
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I thought he got pushed around big time.
And he seemed to take Pee Wee Herman steps every time he had the ball in the paint, did not get called every time.''
Center - O-Quin or Willy
Power Forward - Kanter
Shooting Guard - Porzingas
Guard - Hardaway
Guard - Lee
This gives you lots of flexibility on D, such as OKC showed last night the ability to move people around on D, very flexibly in close to the basket.
Bravo to Hornacek. This isnt just about playing the young guys. As much bad can come from playing as it can good. Its about setting a culture, if Hernangomez is lacking with his effort on Defense, then he hasnt earned playing and this would only develop worse over time. This is a chance to set a new culture. If Hernangomez can learn to put equal effort on Defense now, he may develop into a real player over time.
Kanter is an experienced veteran who is a much better offensive player. He isnt being handed a job and playing time due to his age alone.
Eh... I might go with this if I didn't see Kanter fall asleep on a non-existent pick and roll while Adams cut to the basket for the easiest alley-oop of the game. Add in his team high turnovers from when he thought he was Hakeem Olajuwon dribbling and spinning around the basket and we see that whatever lessons they're trying to teach Willy can be applied to the starter too.
That's just an obvious fact.
Best he can get in early part of season is spot minutes, like 10-15
I would have thought is 2 air balls showed that
? Charlotte is a borderline playoff team. The Knicks should lose to them. On paper they are the clear superior team. They won 36 games and added Howard.
B)Start Enes Kanter and play him for 30 minutes.
How is that even possible in today's game when you need a PG (outside of Milwaukee) to win and the Knicks have the absolute worst PG situation in the sport by a mile? (It's depressing as a Knicks fan that the team with the 2nd worst PG situation is starting Jerian Grant.) I don't foresee any way 7 teams have worse records than the Knicks. For that to happen, KP would have to turn into peak Dirk already and even more importantly, Hornacek would have to turn into Rick Carlisle.
What's a realistic return for a guy who will opt out?
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from Hornacek is code for "we want to showcase Kanter so we can trade him". Although, by now the whole league knows what he is so it really shouldn't make much of a difference.
What's a realistic return for a guy who will opt out?
people that cover the league don't think he's opting out.
There's only 3 players anyone gives a shit about on the roster (sorry Damyean) and most of us don't expect to see Frank playing 30 (or even 20) minutes a night right away. So when Willy gets 4 minutes, this shit becomes even more difficult to watch. The Enes Kantor trade value thing is legitimate, but KOQ too?
I can't get angry this early it's pointless.
B)Start Enes Kanter and play him for 30 minutes.
I don't buy that. You can bench a young player anytime no matter who is in front of him if the team sucks anyway and you're trying to send a message.
Like I said I will kill Horn if this continues but it's one game. Kanter might even be worse right now than Gomez but Gomez is still young enough to mold. Kanter is what he is.
An unfortunate I told you so. Not physically ready to play. That was quick
In comment 13657319 twostepgiants said:
That's just an obvious fact.
Best he can get in early part of season is spot minutes, like 10-15
I would have thought is 2 air balls showed that
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About last night. People seem almost as pissed as when Hardaway accidentally won them a game a few years ago.
There's only 3 players anyone gives a shit about on the roster (sorry Damyean) and most of us don't expect to see Frank playing 30 (or even 20) minutes a night right away. So when Willy gets 4 minutes, this shit becomes even more difficult to watch. The Enes Kantor trade value thing is legitimate, but KOQ too?
Why wouldn't O'Quinn be considered a trade chip? He's very likely the most tradeable thing they have left.
Anyway, it's basketball. Coaches use the first two weeks to figure out their best personnel groups. They were never going to play just one lineup of all the kids for all 82 games.
An unfortunate I told you so. Not physically ready to play. That was quick
He rolls is ankle on Willy's foot and he's not physically able to play yet? Can't make this shit up folks lol.