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DanMetroMan : 10/19/2017 9:27 am
It's here!

-Sixers could be very, very good with a little bit of health. Embiid/Simmons could be one of the best duos in the NBA for a very long time.
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I would put Lance Thomas in "The Bad"... permanently.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/19/2017 10:47 pm : link
82 games of Ramon Sessions starting is almost certain to result in a bottom 3 record.

Does Willy's 4 minutes go away when Noah comes back?
Can't believe Willie H didn't get much time  
steve in ky : 10/19/2017 10:49 pm : link
.
Lance Thomas  
adambear : 10/19/2017 10:50 pm : link
is nto an NBA caliber player, the fact that he's gotten consistent playing time for 3 seasons now is one of the more insane things I've seen
20+ wins may not happen  
Enzo : 10/19/2017 10:50 pm : link
We may be looking at high teens. Maybe worse.
Baker is awful. If we cut him tomorrow would a single team pick him up? Lance is still awful. Frank? Let's just hope it was jitters. KP needs to work on moving the ball when he's covered. Hardaway needs to do more out there. There's just too many bigs - and it's going to get worse when Noah comes back.
One of the problems with Willy barely playing and Ntilikina  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/19/2017 10:53 pm : link
not being ready is that when KP goes to the bench, there's really no reason to keep watching. I turned the channel.
If Kyle O'Quinn is going to steal minutes from Wily all season  
nyjuggernaut2 : 10/19/2017 10:56 pm : link
than I'm not going to bother tuning in. The future of this team is KP, Frank, Wily, and I guess THJr. That's the guys I tune in to watch, not freaking O'Quinn and Lance Thomas for God's sake.
RE: Assuming  
nygiants16 : 10/19/2017 11:11 pm : link
In comment 13656976 DanMetroMan said:
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no injury I'd love to see what the "positive" Knicks fan have to say about Willy NOT PLAYING.


hornacek can go fuck himself from thia positive knkcks fan
I don’t think we have to worry about this team exceeding  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/19/2017 11:25 pm : link
any expectations. I also have a sneaking suspicion that I will lose interest after a week when scrubs like Thomas and Baker are logging minutes.

I’ve already given up on Hornacek. I hope Perry does the right thing and get all the useless veterans off the team.

I will root for Frank, but it will be annoying as all hell when Frank struggles to get minutes on this lousy team when other players we could’ve picked are making waves elsewhere.
Yeah lets have less Baker and more Frank  
steve in ky : 10/19/2017 11:26 pm : link
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I'm really hoping Hornacek  
moespree : 10/19/2017 11:35 pm : link
Isn't going to play the vets in an attempt to win as much as he can to keep his job. Obviously I understand the desire not to get fired, but the young players need to play and I hope this is not the reason.
Maybe the Knicks are trying to drum up interest in kanter and oquinn  
djm : 10/19/2017 11:38 pm : link
By playing them heavy minutes. They like gomez. I can't imagine they just soured on the kid before game 1.

Frank is going to need time. That's fine. KP looked unstoppable on offense. That's great. The tank is off to a fine start. That's good. Gomez barely played. Not good but maybe it's a temporary thing.
missed the game -  
Del Shofner : 10/19/2017 11:47 pm : link
sounds ugly, lol. So is the box score except for KP and maybe a couple of other guys. Detroit at home on Saturday up next.
Hornacek reason why Willy didn't start  
Canton : 10/20/2017 5:30 am : link
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OKLAHOMA CITY — Center Willy Hernangomez, the young building block who was a first-team All-Rookie selection, found himself out of the rotation in the season opener Thursday versus the Thunder. As expected Enes Kanter started and Kyle O’Quinn got 22 minutes as the backup.
With 3:46 left, Hernangomez was put in during garbage time of the Knicks’ 105-84 season-opening loss. The Spaniard found out at the morning shootaround from coach Jeff Hornacek he wouldn’t be in the rotation and it’s about his lax defense.
“He told me be ready,” Hernangomez said. “I’m not worried about that. It’s the first game. I’m just mad we lost.”
“He knows I can score. I have to focus on defense, try to do defensive things. Coach wants me to put my mind on defense. I have to keep working on defense and hopefully the minutes will come.’’

Hornacek said Hernangomez is “not far behind.’’
“We have a lot of bigs,’’ Hornacek said. “KO and Enes earned the minutes in training camp.’’


If they're using defensive play as a barometer for gaining minutes on the floor, then how on God's earth, is Enes Kanter starting? His defense is horrific.
For the life of me, I could t u understand why they re-signed Baker  
Matt M. : 10/20/2017 5:44 am : link
It makes less sense when you then take a PG high in the first round.
Willy might still be raw  
Matt M. : 10/20/2017 5:47 am : link
but, seriously, why is playing less than 10 minutes. Up until a week ago, he was potentially starting and now garbage time.
RE: Hornacek reason why Willy didn't start  
twostepgiants : 10/20/2017 6:23 am : link

Bravo to Hornacek. This isn’t just about playing the young guys. As much bad can come from playing as it can good. Its about setting a culture, if Hernangomez is lacking with his effort on Defense, then he hasnt earned playing and this would only develop worse over time. This is a chance to set a new culture. If Hernangomez can learn to put equal effort on Defense now, he may develop into a real player over time.

Kanter is an experienced veteran who is a much better offensive player. He isnt being handed a job and playing time due to his age alone.



In comment 13657061 Canton said:
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OKLAHOMA CITY — Center Willy Hernangomez, the young building block who was a first-team All-Rookie selection, found himself out of the rotation in the season opener Thursday versus the Thunder. As expected Enes Kanter started and Kyle O’Quinn got 22 minutes as the backup.
With 3:46 left, Hernangomez was put in during garbage time of the Knicks’ 105-84 season-opening loss. The Spaniard found out at the morning shootaround from coach Jeff Hornacek he wouldn’t be in the rotation and it’s about his lax defense.
“He told me be ready,” Hernangomez said. “I’m not worried about that. It’s the first game. I’m just mad we lost.”
“He knows I can score. I have to focus on defense, try to do defensive things. Coach wants me to put my mind on defense. I have to keep working on defense and hopefully the minutes will come.’’
Hornacek said Hernangomez is “not far behind.’’
“We have a lot of bigs,’’ Hornacek said. “KO and Enes earned the minutes in training camp.’’



If they're using defensive play as a barometer for gaining minutes on the floor, then how on God's earth, is Enes Kanter starting? His defense is horrific.
Frank wasn’t ready  
twostepgiants : 10/20/2017 6:25 am : link
He air balled his two shots.

A kid going out air balling shots is not going to help him. Maybe his knee was hurting him or he was overwhelmed by his first NBA game.

But he clearly wasn’t ready for more minutes.
Showcase of the entire team?  
Carl in CT : 10/20/2017 6:49 am : link
Other than KP (sort of said by djm)? I don't know I'm stretching. Has to be some explanation. Don't see Frank being a stud. Just not athletic enough for a PG. where was Hardaway and Lee?
The team was always going to be pretty bad  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/20/2017 7:02 am : link
They were 0-5 in preseason. That should've settled expectations right there.

And of course Frank wasn't ready. He played about five quarters of basketball since the draft.

But if the goal is draft position, then I hope Kanter and Baker start 82 games. It's not going to be a fun viewing experience.
As I suspected, THjr looked like another guy running around out  
GiantsUA : 10/20/2017 7:10 am : link
there.

Not happy to have him back and he did not change my mind last night.

Knicks big 3 - KP, Lee, THjr - yuck

Well, good thing we have college basketball

First quarter of opening night, Ron Baker covering Westbrook.

That says it all.
i am good with the losing  
nygiants16 : 10/20/2017 7:18 am : link
as long as the young guys are the ones playing..
The cherry on top may have been  
GiantsUA : 10/20/2017 7:18 am : link
Fat Raymond Felton beating Baker to the rim.

How is Felton still in the league? Would he be the best guard on the Knicks right now?
RE: As I suspected, THjr looked like another guy running around out  
nygiants16 : 10/20/2017 7:19 am : link
In comment 13657069 GiantsUA said:
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there.

Not happy to have him back and he did not change my mind last night.

Knicks big 3 - KP, Lee, THjr - yuck

Well, good thing we have college basketball

First quarter of opening night, Ron Baker covering Westbrook.

That says it all.


thjr played extremely well in preseason, it is one game
Around the league  
DanMetroMan : 10/20/2017 7:34 am : link
Lonzo 1-6 3 points 9 boards 4 assists 1 block 1 steal (29 minutes)]

DeAndre Jordan 14 and... 24!

Austin Rivers with a sweet 26 minute 2 point performance

Markkanen 17 and 8 (5/12, 33 minutes played)
Beverley  
DanMetroMan : 10/20/2017 7:52 am : link
bodies Lonzo, shuts him down (ONE game) and Lavar is already chirping like a moron. Your son got shut down by a premier defender. Accept it and shut up. It's ONE game.
RE: Beverley  
nygiants16 : 10/20/2017 8:05 am : link
In comment 13657078 DanMetroMan said:
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bodies Lonzo, shuts him down (ONE game) and Lavar is already chirping like a moron. Your son got shut down by a premier defender. Accept it and shut up. It's ONE game.


i think eveeyone who guarss him is going to try and body him and be physical...
RE: The cherry on top may have been  
Enzo : 10/20/2017 8:40 am : link
In comment 13657071 GiantsUA said:
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Fat Raymond Felton beating Baker to the rim.

How is Felton still in the league? Would he be the best guard on the Knicks right now?

fat Ray would be our undisputed starter at PG.
My sentiment remains the same as it was before the game  
jcn56 : 10/20/2017 8:45 am : link
Oh great, another year of this shit.
Relax everyone  
giants#1 : 10/20/2017 8:46 am : link
Keep in mind the goals for this year:

1. Development of KP
2. Tank
3. Development of Frank
4. Development of Willy
5. Collect additional assets for future

Since Frank is so young and raw, you could argue he doesn't need 20+ min a night this season and thus the tank is the #2 priority. You could also argue that highlighting some of the vets (Kanter, KOQ, Lee, etc) early on in the hopes that they flash enough to bring back a late first or some 2nd round picks is a higher priority than I have it listed. Move the roster waste, then get Willy/Frank more minutes.

Ron Baker was bad and frustrating to watch get that many minutes  
Heisenberg : 10/20/2017 8:51 am : link
Oof. Kanter's D was also very bad.

Beasley calling for the ball on one leg was hilarious.

KP was really good. Him stuffing Melo and that crazy floater in the lane were the highlights of the game for me.
RE: My sentiment remains the same as it was before the game  
nygiants16 : 10/20/2017 8:57 am : link
In comment 13657115 jcn56 said:
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Oh great, another year of this shit.


it is shit but they are finally rebuilding right way, i can deal with losing if they contonue to do it the roght way
My  
DanMetroMan : 10/20/2017 8:58 am : link
takeaways

-KP great

everyone else different levels of mediocre to awful. When Kanter was in the game OKC was feasting on him. Westbrook getting passes to Adams for easy buckets with Kanter's head on a swivel
RE: RE: My sentiment remains the same as it was before the game  
Enzo : 10/20/2017 9:07 am : link
In comment 13657122 nygiants16 said:
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Oh great, another year of this shit.



it is shit but they are finally rebuilding right way, i can deal with losing if they contonue to do it the roght way

it remains to be seen if they're going to rebuild the right way. Most, if not all, of the moves they made this summer indicate otherwise.
Kanter's not going to be good defensively  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/20/2017 9:13 am : link
and nobody could possibly trust this coaching staff to take on that project.

Hopefully he's just here long enough to be dealt off for an extra pick at some point.
Baker is a liability, gives the ball away regularly, just cut him.  
idiotsavant : 10/20/2017 9:24 am : link
just add by subtracting the guy. Oosh, that was ugly.


Lance Thomas is a dud, seems to lag behind the action. Sessions is a meh.

Game seemed fairly competitive before they put Thomas and Baker in.

Seems like Kanter will come around once things start to sync.

Gotta get Nili ready asap.

RE: RE: RE: My sentiment remains the same as it was before the game  
nygiants16 : 10/20/2017 9:26 am : link
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Oh great, another year of this shit.



it is shit but they are finally rebuilding right way, i can deal with losing if they contonue to do it the roght way


it remains to be seen if they're going to rebuild the right way. Most, if not all, of the moves they made this summer indicate otherwise.


not really, thjr has improved and is under 25, he gets to what he did in preseason you got a good yoing player...

for kanter and mcdermotts warts they are both only 25 and both could be free agents..

they got a high 2nd

beasley is 28 on a 1 year vet contract..

sessions is here for 1 year as a placeholder..

jack will be gone in 11 games...

what move says they are trying to win now?
RE: Lance Thomas  
blueblood : 10/20/2017 9:27 am : link
In comment 13656993 adambear said:
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is nto an NBA caliber player, the fact that he's gotten consistent playing time for 3 seasons now is one of the more insane things I've seen


boggles my mind..
then, am I wrong or were the getting offensive rebounds  
idiotsavant : 10/20/2017 9:30 am : link
early, when the game was still competitive?

The kids need to buy into that, even when facing the fear of being embarrassed by fast breaks by star studded teams, those happen, may have to let them happen at times.

It would appear to be two games, when we grab a turn over, style A, and the more half court game, style B.

Lacking our turnover, it seems like young players get sucked into running back against scary teams and leave points unscored, things devolve, get wild, and that's not a great match up yet.

What  
DanMetroMan : 10/20/2017 9:33 am : link
"kids"? Frank nor Willy really played and neither played at all when the game was somewhat close early. Not being snarky but when the game was "competitive" early the players on the court were Ramon Sessions, Hardaway, Lee, KOQ and KP. It's one game. So I'm not going to go bonkers but lets not look for positives that weren't there. KP was fantastic everyone else was either "mediocre", garbage or hot garbage. The "kids" didn't play.
thjr averaged 18 4 and 4 as a starter last year  
nygiants16 : 10/20/2017 9:34 am : link
if his name was not tim hardaway jr no one would have been bitching about the contract...

The  
DanMetroMan : 10/20/2017 9:35 am : link
game managed to be worse than anyone could have expected. Not the outcome (expected) but the lack of PT for Willy/Frank and the lack of good performances. Outside of KP getting hurt and or playing poorly it would be hard to script a worse game.
early on, winnning the rebounds  
idiotsavant : 10/20/2017 9:35 am : link
and winning the turnover battle. 2 pt. game.

Bring in Baker, immediately start loosing turnovers, bring in Thomas, start loosing rebounds.

The Knicks have some good, athletic pieces that will fit fairly well once one decides not to play those types of guys...Nili getting up to speed will be huge.
RE: What  
nygiants16 : 10/20/2017 9:36 am : link
In comment 13657149 DanMetroMan said:
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"kids"? Frank nor Willy really played and neither played at all when the game was somewhat close early. Not being snarky but when the game was "competitive" early the players on the court were Ramon Sessions, Hardaway, Lee, KOQ and KP. It's one game. So I'm not going to go bonkers but lets not look for positives that weren't there. KP was fantastic everyone else was either "mediocre", garbage or hot garbage. The "kids" didn't play.


which is a different problem, and one that falls om hornacek...

perry and mills when they decided to go with a youth movement should of sat hornacek down and said you play the young guys...

willy getting no minutes is absolute bullshit
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 10/20/2017 9:39 am : link
not looking to single out Kanter (because the team is awful) but I have a very hard time believing his weight was what held him back defensively. He seems confused on defense, doesn't even defend entry passes and seems mentally to be a tick slow in reacting. I'd 100% love to be proven wrong.
RE: RE: RE: RE: My sentiment remains the same as it was before the game  
Enzo : 10/20/2017 9:39 am : link
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Oh great, another year of this shit.



it is shit but they are finally rebuilding right way, i can deal with losing if they contonue to do it the roght way


it remains to be seen if they're going to rebuild the right way. Most, if not all, of the moves they made this summer indicate otherwise.



not really, thjr has improved and is under 25, he gets to what he did in preseason you got a good yoing player...

for kanter and mcdermotts warts they are both only 25 and both could be free agents..

they got a high 2nd

beasley is 28 on a 1 year vet contract..

sessions is here for 1 year as a placeholder..

jack will be gone in 11 games...

what move says they are trying to win now?

I didn't say they're trying to win now - I said they're not rebuilding the right way. If the Hardaway contract was such a sound investment, Atlanta would have matched. A guy like Beasley has no business on this team - I don't care how old he is or what his contract is. Saying Kanter/McDermott can be free agents only proves my point. Instead of prioritizing controllable pieces for Melo they brought in these two guys. Kanter clogs the frontcourt and is likely opting in next summer, thereby reducing cap space. If McDermott plays well, you get to pay him next summer or lose him for nothing! Yeah! An intelligent rebuild prioritizes assets, flexibility, cap space, etc. Instead, we have a team president who saw fit to give Ron Baker 2/10 with a player option.
be positive, OKC has savvy proven all star types  
idiotsavant : 10/20/2017 9:39 am : link
once our guys got off their game, it was easy pickings.

That said, keep the duds out and Knicks can find a 'Knicks style' that works. One hopes that coach, like coach here at NYG, was not under pressure to play duds like Baker and Thomas.

Sessions is a bit of a dud also. Not worried, though, I don't think they planned to loose a player early.
and according to hornacek it was because of preseason  
nygiants16 : 10/20/2017 9:39 am : link
anyone who watched preseason and said oquinn played better than willy is a moron
And  
DanMetroMan : 10/20/2017 9:40 am : link
yeah the optics on Baker were not good. Very, very sloppy for such a mediocre player. That said I think Baker should only be the primary ball handler when necessary, that's on Hornacek.
RE: and according to hornacek it was because of preseason  
DanMetroMan : 10/20/2017 9:41 am : link
In comment 13657166 nygiants16 said:
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anyone who watched preseason and said oquinn played better than willy is a moron


and how does Willy improve his defense/defensive effort without playing? If the Knicks have ANYTHING of value this year it's the ability to really get a look at players and cycle through them.
RE: RE: and according to hornacek it was because of preseason  
nygiants16 : 10/20/2017 9:44 am : link
In comment 13657169 DanMetroMan said:
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anyone who watched preseason and said oquinn played better than willy is a moron



and how does Willy improve his defense/defensive effort without playing? If the Knicks have ANYTHING of value this year it's the ability to really get a look at players and cycle through them.


agree 100%, willy was 1st team all rookie last year and now he is not playing?

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