We had a nice classical music thread started by BigBlueBuff a few years ago. We do have some classical listeners here, so I thought I'd offer my spin.
My wheelhouse is neither the composers with the powdered wigs, nor early Romantic composers, nor the composers who wrote "relaxing" music that populates classical radio stations. It is the period around 1900-1950, composed by people who lived through Europe's revolutions and wars. It's stirring and sometimes disturbing stuff. Here's a survey of what interests me. All of it should be on YouTube if you want to check it out.
1. Dmitri Shostakovich - composed in the Soviet Union from the 20's to the 70's, regularly played by orchestras. The 2nd movement of the Symphony #10 is a good example, the string quartet #8 is very characteristic of him, the cello concerto is a staple of the cello repertoire.
2. Sergei Prokofiev - one of the most successful 20th century composers, from Peter and the Wolf to pioneering work in film music. The "Montagues and Capulets" from Romeo and Juliet or the last movement of the Piano Concerto #3 are good starting points on the way to more challenging stuff. The Scythian Suite is a good example of the most "extreme" Prokofiev - but probably not as shocking today as it was then.
3. Bela Bartok - Hungarian composer who utilized undiluted Eastern European folk music with a dissonant idiom that can take time to absorb. The best starting point is probably the Romanian folk dances (for piano or violin/piano) and the 4th and 5th movement of the Concerto for Orchestra. The ballet suite Miraculous Mandarin shows the audacious young Bartok at work (quite an ending).
4. Witold Lutoslawski - Polish composer who during ho88uStalinist times wrote folk-derived work but later incorporated techniques giving some "ad-libbed" passages (not improvised but free of a strict rhythm). The starting point here is the 1st part of the Concerto for Orchestra, the Symphony 4 is a good place to go next.
5. Gustav Mahler - He's heard in concert halls everywhere, but he focused on writing long symphonies so folks probably wouldn't pick up much of his music floating around the popular culture. A good starting point is the 1st and 2nd movements of the 5th symphony, the first movement of the 2nd symphony is also typical.
6. Bohuslav Martinu - I'm a big fan of this Czech composer, not often played by U.S. orchestras.
He has a very individual style, and wrote a ton of stuff. A good entry point is the 3rd movement of the 1st symphony and his most challenging work is probably the Double Concerto for 2 string orchestras piano, and tympani (written in 1938, the year of the Munich agreement)
7. Alban Berg - The 12-tone or serial style was hugely influential among classical composers, I like a bunch of pieces organized this way, but it appears most people will never get it. The one piece that probably works the best for the "uninitiated" is probably Alban Berg's violin concerto.
8. Arnold Schoenberg - the tough nut to crack. I think most people can get enjoyment out of his string sextet verklaerte nacht op. 4, then one could try the chamber symphony op 9, i'd probably go to the variations for orchestra or piano concerto for 12-tone works, but hey...
there's very few classical musicians I know who are into this stuff.
9. Alexander Scriabin - he was a crackpot who thought he would transform the human race through
a multimedia extravaganza called the Mysterium that was going to take place in a hemispherical temple in India. He didn't get to do it because he died from a sore on his lip. Anyway, I'd look at a video for "Prometheus the Poem of Fire" in which projection of colors is part of the score.
For something easier to comprehend, go with the "Poem of Ecstasy", or try to find Vladimir Horowitz playing his piano music.
10. Leos Janacek - Czech (Moravian) composer going heavily into folk music influence, start with the Sinfonietta (progressive rock fans will recognize the use of the opening by Emerson Lake and Palmer), the piano music is probably the next place to go, but if you don't like the Sinfonietta don't bother.
11. Igor Stravinsky - many-sided composer hard to sum up in a sentence. The ballet suites (Firebird, Petrushka, The Rite of Spring) are the places to go first, in that order...symphony of psalms is probably the next stop.
12. Benjamin Britten - English composer who has some big stuff like the opera Peter Grimes and the War Reqiuem. The starting point would be the "Four Sea Interludes" from Peter Grimes and then the Sinfonia da Requiem (which is not the War Requiem). I've always thought of the War Requiem as something that needed to be heard live.
13. Maurice Ravel - French composer. Yes he did the Bolero, you can make love to it. I'd have a look at the Piano Concerto for the Left Hand or the violin piece Tzigane.
14. Charles Ives - I wanted to have an American in here, but not Gershwin because he's beloved and doesn't need advocating. Ives was a pretty strange guy who did a lot of "sampling" of hymn/popular tunes and embraced chaos. The Unanswered Question and 2nd symphony are reasonable starting points, but one could dive right into the 4th symphony to see what was in Ives head.
Anyway, maybe that can get some discussion and questions going. No need to restrict ourselves to the era I'm talking about here. Or just tell me what you like.
Nothing like a crisp fall morning on the Merritt Pkwy with a Brandenberg Suite cranking through the foliage.
When we actually have foliage that is.
Nothing like a crisp fall morning on the Merritt Pkwy with a Brandenberg Suite cranking through the foliage.
When we actually have foliage that is.
Ah, Bach
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Bach, Telemann, Vivaldi, Handel, Corelli, Scarlatti.
Nothing like a crisp fall morning on the Merritt Pkwy with a Brandenberg Suite cranking through the foliage.
When we actually have foliage that is.
Ah, Bach
well played Radar :-)
Beethoven's 4th Piano Concerto
Outstanding. I have no problem with your list but I continue to marvel at Beethoven's genius.
Beethoven's 4th Piano Concerto
Outstanding. I have no problem with your list but I continue to marvel at Beethoven's genius.
That Bartok piece is very interesting to me - might not be very "audience friendly" given that it starts with a grinding difficult fugue.
The Beethoven really stands out as a dialogue between piano and orchestra, no empty virtuoso stuff there.
I'm a classical, rather than 20th century guy, although I like Debussy and Ravel.
Most Brahms, too. Variations on a Theme by Haydn is a spectacular, exciting piece that you don't usually find as a "Variations."
But seriously, for that period (early 1900's), you go through 14 composers, and don't have Gustav Holst (The Planets)?
"Mars, the Bringer of War", and "Jupiter, the Bringer of Jollity"...feel like they were just composed yesterday, you still hear derivative works from them today (Williams Star Wars is a homage to Holst, and Hans Zimmer was sued for copyright infrigment!).
Here's a link to Wikipedia's article on The Planets; check out all the adaptations, from Black Sabbath, King Crimson and various Death Metal Bands!).
For those of you that haven't heard "The Planets", check out these two links on Youtube:
Mars
Jupiter
But seriously, for that period (early 1900's), you go through 14 composers, and don't have Gustav Holst (The Planets)?
"Mars, the Bringer of War", and "Jupiter, the Bringer of Jollity"...feel like they were just composed yesterday, you still hear derivative works from them today (Williams Star Wars is a homage to Holst, and Hans Zimmer was sued for copyright infrigment!).
Here's a link to Wikipedia's article on The Planets; check out all the adaptations, from Black Sabbath, King Crimson and various Death Metal Bands!).
For those of you that haven't heard "The Planets", check out these two links on Youtube:
Mars
Jupiter
I really like the Planets, but for whatever reason, Holst didn't seem to want to compose in that style again. Nothing else by Holst has grabbed me.
Agree with you that it is certainly a forerunner of movie music composed much later.
Yes, the Shostakovich Fifth was written at the height of the Stalinist terror (1937). One of my absolute favorites.
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Bartok - "Music For Strings, Percussion and Celesta"
Beethoven's 4th Piano Concerto
Outstanding. I have no problem with your list but I continue to marvel at Beethoven's genius.
That Bartok piece is very interesting to me - might not be very "audience friendly" given that it starts with a grinding difficult fugue.
The Beethoven really stands out as a dialogue between piano and orchestra, no empty virtuoso stuff there.
I would describe the 1st movement as "haunting". Also, I think it's as least as audience friendly as Schoenberg.
"Mars, the Bringer of War", and "Jupiter, the Bringer of Jollity"...feel like they were just composed yesterday, you still hear derivative works from them today (Williams Star Wars is a homage to Holst, and Hans Zimmer was sued for copyright infrigment!).
Funny, I hear that. I feel like Williams really must have listened to a lot of Dvorak. The 4th movement of the New World Symphony echoes Jaws, then Star Wars, other movements sound like the Magnificent Seven and other western themes.
Thanks for starting this thread.
Thanks for starting this thread.
You are welcome! I figured I was going to get no response for mentioning him. There's the cello concerto, and the partita, and Chain 2, and the Chantefleurs and Chantefables. I regret not going to see him conduct his works.
The only pieces of his I have played are the Dance Preludes (with a clarinetist)
Rach and Tchaikovsky are awesome as well. Debussy is fantastic.
I'm definitely partial to the romantics.
Bad Plus Rite of Spring - ( New Window )
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In comment 13656218 Victor in CT said:
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Bach, Telemann, Vivaldi, Handel, Corelli, Scarlatti.
Nothing like a crisp fall morning on the Merritt Pkwy with a Brandenberg Suite cranking through the foliage.
When we actually have foliage that is.
Ah, Bach
well played Radar :-)
That's pretty much the extent of my classical music acumen
Every year I attend the Lincoln Center Chamber Music Society's recital. Highly recommended to any fans, it would be hard to find a better performance.
https://www.chambermusicsociety.org/nyc/events/upcoming/brandenburg-concertos-december-15-2017/
When I need to unwind or some 'comfort' music I still turn to Chopin or some fabulous quartets (Beethoven Mozart but especially Hyden). And for some reason The slow movement of Mozart's Symphony #29 brings me close to tears.
I am a Baroque fan also...
The dichotomy always puzzled me. I have seen the Violin Concerto about 6 times, and always discover something new.
The dichotomy always puzzled me. I have seen the Violin Concerto about 6 times, and always discover something new.
If I had to pick one composer to listen to, Tchaikovsky is the one.
'Greatest' is probably a question I have no right addressing, but I do love Tchaikovsky.
And pulsated to the great tunes of George Gershwin - ( New Window )
As for specific musical pieces -- geez, just way too many to even try to list.
One that quickly comes to mind and doesn't seem popular enough (to me) is Giuseppe Tartini's Violin Sonata in G minor, more commonly known as the Devil's Trill Sonata. Some seriously badass shit. If you never heard it, go find it. Now.
Indeed it is.
Great film, but it shouldn't influence one's perspective on Mozart much, since it wasn't particularly fact-based.