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arcarsenal : 10/19/2017 2:05 pm
My Golden is 12 1/2 now - my vet found that he had some signs of kidney disease a few years back but we caught it early enough that by putting him on a special food for it and starting him up on daily medication, we were really able to prolong the ill-effects and keep him in pretty good health.

A few days ago, I noticed that he was starting to look noticeably thinner and was really not eating much. He's slowed down in recent years naturally - he's around 80 in human years, so it's to be expected - but lately on our walks, he's been really slowing down.

Of course I took him to the vet yesterday to have blood work done and figure out what's going on.

Just got a call back and his kidneys are really failing him at this point. There's just nothing I can really do. He's still able to get up and go for walks with me, I've been getting him to eat a little bit at a time. He'll still gladly eat his treats, drinks his water, etc. But he seems weak and his energy level is markedly lower.

Basically, we're at a point now where I'm going to have to decide when the right time is.

I don't want him to suffer. I don't think it's time yet - he's still going to the bathroom outside, he's not vomiting or anything. But I know I'm going to have to ultimately make this decision sooner than later and I'm pretty heartbroken. This dog has been by my side for the vast majority of his life.

The vet told me that eventually the nausea is probably going to make him vomit a bit and that's really when I'll know it's time.

I don't know if anyone has been through something similar here - just kind of beside myself right now. He was doing so well and this really kind of seemed to come out of nowhere.

Sorry for venting - I know we've got a lot of dog owners here, though. I figured maybe some of you would have some advice or something to help me through.
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After they die  
mattlawson : 10/19/2017 2:08 pm : link
That's the worst.
Sorry you are having to go through this  
steve in ky : 10/19/2017 2:09 pm : link
Putting a family dog down is a very hard emotional experience.

My only advise it don't allow your emotions to put off the inevitable to the point to where he suffers.
I'm so sorry to hear that  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/19/2017 2:10 pm : link
it sounds like he's a great companion and you've given him a great life. Life can be cruel sometimes and human hearts can definitely break over the loss of a pet. I'm sure you'll do right by your dog and my heart goes out to you
One more thing  
steve in ky : 10/19/2017 2:17 pm : link
You will have do decide whether or not you want to be with him at the very end.

I want to caution you it is a very hard thing to do. With my last guy I chose to stay with him to the very end because I didn't want his last moments to be scarier for him then they had to be and for him to only be with strangers. I was able to comfort him by petting him and talking with him, and as hard as it was I felt better for having been with him.
Sorry to hear this  
Matt in SGS : 10/19/2017 2:18 pm : link
our beagle's kidneys were failing when she was just shy of 12 years old. We put her on the special foods, gave her shots, everything we could. The vet said she wasn't suffering yet, but it was close. She seemed to have a little more energy but we saw her slowing down. She passed away at home when we were at work, so I never had to make that call and it was awful. All you can think of is you have given the dog a good life and enjoy every moment you have with them.
Yeah, always sorry to hear these stories.  
Beezer : 10/19/2017 2:29 pm : link
We've been walking along the edge for a few years now with our old boy. He's currently on 4 different seizure meds, and has suffered them in clusters, as many as 8 or 9 in a 2 to 3 day span. It's devastating to him, and the first several times we went through it, we thought he was on his way out.

But every time, he'd make a full recovery once the cluster gave him some relief. It would take 2, 3 and sometimes 4-5 days, but he'd eventually be back to his puppy smiles and big wagging jags.

We guess he's between 10 and 11 (adopted him from the Humane Society when he was "eh, maybe 1.5 or 2," they guessed). He has hip dysplasia, which is typical for larger breeds (he's had this issue since he was maybe 5-6.

Knock on wood, he's been clear of a cluster for a month or so now. Just added the 4th med a bit ago, so we're hoping we finally have it all in check.

As long as his blood work is solid (which it remains), and he's a smiler and a wagger, and he keeps eating like a medium-sized thoroughbred, we're good.

But we know reality. And we pay tons of attention to him every day. Hard to guess how much time he has, but as everyone always tells us ... he will let us know when it's time. He hasn't yet.

Long live Archie "Moonlight" Graham!

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BrettNYG10 : 10/19/2017 2:29 pm : link
arc, I'm really sorry to hear about this. I can't imagine how painful it is for you right now.

I'm happy to give you my email if you want to vent privately about it as the dreaded day gets closer.
Hard thing to deal with.  
Giant John : 10/19/2017 2:30 pm : link
You will know when the time has arrived. Until then enjoy him. Lots of hugs and pets...
Very sorry to hear arc  
B in ALB : 10/19/2017 2:32 pm : link
One of the hardest things i've ever had to do in my life. Very very very difficult. But just remember to do what's best for your pooch. Best of luck.
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arcarsenal : 10/19/2017 2:33 pm : link
Thanks, fellas.

I've dreaded this time for a while now.. I think it's hard because it really just happened so suddenly. As recently as a week ago, he was scarfing his food and treats down and even though he had lost a step, he seemed to be doing really well for his age.

Some new neighbors actually just met him a couple weeks ago and they couldn't believe he was this old - they thought he was a puppy. He looks and acts so young.

But this past weekend I could tell right away he wasn't himself.

I've already decided that I am going to be by his side until the very end. I know it's going to be one of the hardest things I'll do - but I owe it to him to feel comforted and safe before he goes.

Man, this is fucking hard. The reality setting in is so hard.
steve ... I think about that a lot  
Beezer : 10/19/2017 2:34 pm : link
(being with him at the end).

I know that if it comes down to having to transport him to the vet's office, I'll be there for him. I know my son will be there, too.

Not sure about my daughter. She might. My wife ... probably would not do well with that.

But like you, I think about Archie ... I want him to hear our voices and know we're there, maybe have a bit of comfort in that, as he drifts off.

As hard as that would or will be, I'd prefer it, for him, over us coming home one day to find him.
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Danny Kanell : 10/19/2017 2:37 pm : link
Sorry arc. I know what you’re going though man. It’s the worst.
We're getting there too  
Greg from LI : 10/19/2017 2:38 pm : link
My older dog is 13. She has had several serious health episodes in recent years - pancreatitis, a liver infection, torn ligaments in her back leg, and Cushing's disease. Despite it all, she's managed to bounce back reasonably well, although she's pretty much sedentary now aside from brief walks. She can't go more than a few blocks. Lately she's been losing weight and eating less, and she wasn't fat to begin with. I fear it's the beginning of the end. You and your pal have my sympathies.
Sorry Acr  
Kevin in Annapolis : 10/19/2017 2:39 pm : link
I'm kind of in the same boat. My golden will be 13 years old in 2 months. It's not kidneys but a degenerative nerve issue that is causing a delay between his hind quarters and brain. Caused him to fall down the stairs this summer. He now has a harness and doesn't try to do the stairs on his own.

Our vet said that unless something else develops it is going to be a quality of life decision for us. Her recommendation was to pick 3 things that he likes. Once those things start going, it's time to have that conversation. Until then, I'm going to spoil him the best I can.
arc  
MadPlaid : 10/19/2017 2:40 pm : link
so sorry to hear about your dog. Losing a pet is really hard. Sending you good vibes, and hoping the end isn't too rough. Best to you and yours
Steve  
Greg from LI : 10/19/2017 2:41 pm : link
I'm dreading that, but that's absolutely what I will do. I owe her no less when she's at the end. It would break my heart to think of her last moments being terrified and alone.

I know it's going to wreck me mentally for a while, though.
I feel your pain buddy.  
Keith : 10/19/2017 2:44 pm : link
Only advice I can give you is what you already know. You will know when the right time is. The reality is that dogs never live as long as they should. I'm sure you gave him an incredible life and he repaid you with his loyalty and love.

I was in a similar situation last year with my dog(lymphoma) and I tried to maximize every moment with him while he was still alive. Use these last moments to appreciate him and your time together.

Sorry bud.
this is why i never wanted a dog...  
GMAN4LIFE : 10/19/2017 2:46 pm : link
i was always reluctant to getting a dog because i knew i would fall in love with my dog. I have a mini dachshund. He is the man of the house.

but i know there will be a time that i will have to put him down. dogs live all their lives only knowing to love their owner.

My advice is this. you are the owner and you love that dog. You will make the right decision. Your dog is what you have to base the decision on. Be kind and be wise to this decision. The dog loves you and always will. His life was only here for you.
I had to put down my black lab  
mikeygiants : 10/19/2017 2:47 pm : link
last year the day before my 40th birthday and I was crushed. I was pretty torn up over the decision, but months later my only regret is waiting too long. There is never truly a "good" time to do it.
RE: steve ... I think about that a lot  
steve in ky : 10/19/2017 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13656524 Beezer said:
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(being with him at the end).

I know that if it comes down to having to transport him to the vet's office, I'll be there for him. I know my son will be there, too.

Not sure about my daughter. She might. My wife ... probably would not do well with that.

But like you, I think about Archie ... I want him to hear our voices and know we're there, maybe have a bit of comfort in that, as he drifts off.

As hard as that would or will be, I'd prefer it, for him, over us coming home one day to find him.


IMHO having the family along for the ride is OK, but I would recommend they stay in the car. I wouldn't put them through that, it's too hard.
RE: Steve  
steve in ky : 10/19/2017 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13656538 Greg from LI said:
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I'm dreading that, but that's absolutely what I will do. I owe her no less when she's at the end. It would break my heart to think of her last moments being terrified and alone.

I know it's going to wreck me mentally for a while, though.


It was harder than I expected, and I expected it to be hard.
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arcarsenal : 10/19/2017 2:50 pm : link
I guess in a way, I'm thankful - his kidney issue was the only real health problem he's ever had in all these years. And since we caught it early on, the medication and diet he was on kept his quality of life pretty high as he got older.

He never had any other serious issues. He still gets up and down the stairs on his own, still climbs in the car.

I can tell he doesn't feel well now, though. He's just been sleeping a lot and his energy isn't there.
Sorry to hear this arc.  
pjcas18 : 10/19/2017 2:54 pm : link
I'm dreading this day myself (hoping it's years away though).

Makes me kind of miss the days growing up when the dogs we had would get old and my step father would just bring them "to the farm" to live out their days happily around all the other dogs and farm animals.

no idea the farm really meant putting them down. Sort of changed things for me (obviously?).
Man, that sucks, I feel for you.  
Britt in VA : 10/19/2017 2:54 pm : link
My 8 year old English Bulldog passed away last April. I was lucky, though. She was having a normal morning, and came over to where I was sitting on the couch, licked my leg a couple of times, then laid down with her butt on my foot, and her nose nuzzled up to my 5 year old who was sitting on the floor reading a book. A few minutes later, he and I got up and started doing stuff, she never did. She died in her sleep right between us. It really sucked, but at the same time it was as beautiful and sweet. I miss her.
Went thru the same thing with my 12.5 yr old Yellow Lab  
Heisenberg : 10/19/2017 3:02 pm : link
Kidney disease with excessive thirst and peeing all the time. Changed her diet and she hung in there for another year and then brain tumors started causing seizures.

You're right, it is the hardest part. Hang in there.
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AcidTest : 10/19/2017 3:10 pm : link
sorry for you and your dog. I know you'll do what's right when the time comes, and you've not surprisingly received a lot of great advice here. We had to put my dog to sleep in 1985, and I still miss him very much.
RE: Man, that sucks, I feel for you.  
arcarsenal : 10/19/2017 3:11 pm : link
In comment 13656552 Britt in VA said:
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My 8 year old English Bulldog passed away last April. I was lucky, though. She was having a normal morning, and came over to where I was sitting on the couch, licked my leg a couple of times, then laid down with her butt on my foot, and her nose nuzzled up to my 5 year old who was sitting on the floor reading a book. A few minutes later, he and I got up and started doing stuff, she never did. She died in her sleep right between us. It really sucked, but at the same time it was as beautiful and sweet. I miss her.


8 is young, but if there's a such thing as an "ideal" way for them to go - it's peacefully like that.

The unpredictability factor makes it especially hard. I really don't know how much time I have with him.

I guess I can't worry about that and just need to embrace what I do have right now.

I just don't want to see him in really awful shape.

To get weird and "out there" for a second, though - I do think there's a special spiritual connection between dogs and their primary owners. He'll let me know when he's ready I think.
Look in to in-home euthanasia services  
BH28 : 10/19/2017 3:14 pm : link
At least you can put your dog down in the comfort of your own home; as opposed to the vet where they will be terrified.
RE: RE: Man, that sucks, I feel for you.  
Britt in VA : 10/19/2017 3:15 pm : link
In comment 13656582 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13656552 Britt in VA said:


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My 8 year old English Bulldog passed away last April. I was lucky, though. She was having a normal morning, and came over to where I was sitting on the couch, licked my leg a couple of times, then laid down with her butt on my foot, and her nose nuzzled up to my 5 year old who was sitting on the floor reading a book. A few minutes later, he and I got up and started doing stuff, she never did. She died in her sleep right between us. It really sucked, but at the same time it was as beautiful and sweet. I miss her.



8 is young, but if there's a such thing as an "ideal" way for them to go - it's peacefully like that.

The unpredictability factor makes it especially hard. I really don't know how much time I have with him.

I guess I can't worry about that and just need to embrace what I do have right now.

I just don't want to see him in really awful shape.

To get weird and "out there" for a second, though - I do think there's a special spiritual connection between dogs and their primary owners. He'll let me know when he's ready I think.


Roxie was the fifth dog I've owned, and the only one to go like that. The other four, unfortunately, hard decisions had to be made.

I think you're right, he'll let you know.

I do know that there are vet services where they will come to your house and allow you to put them to sleep peacefully in their favorite spot inside, or in the yard perhaps. And then will take them for you. So they don't have the trauma of going in the car, or to the vet and being in a foreign place.

Best of luck, I know it's hard.
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arcarsenal : 10/19/2017 3:18 pm : link
Thanks, guys - I really do appreciate all the kind words/advice.

Just kind of needed to get it off my chest and I know there are a lot of dog owners here who have been through the same and understand how hard it is.

Friends will be there for me too but I'm not really the type of guy who tells everyone around him when things aren't going so well. I tend to keep this stuff to myself more often than not.
I'm sorry that you are at the point in the near future to decide  
Diver_Down : 10/19/2017 3:26 pm : link
what is best. No matter if you have done it before or not, it will be gut-wrenching hard on you. Be strong and relish every moment with your buddy. Dogs give you many best days of your life and one of the worst. It is the deal that we sign up for the unconditional love of a pet. You might want to consider the services of Lap of Love for in-home euthanasia. You don't have to stress your best fried with a trip and the sterile environment of the vet office.
I feel for you man.  
GiAnT4LYFE : 10/19/2017 3:30 pm : link
My lil' guy is almost 13 years old. He's a Bichon, and so full of energy all the time. I'm hoping I have another 13 or so years with him, because I'm not ready for what you are about to endure. My dog was with me throughout my cancer treatments for 8 months. I would be in the hospital for a week, and he would literally cry and not leave my side when I got home from them. Then my ex-wife left and it was just the two of us. I've had more conversations with him than anyone else in life. The amount of love I have for that dog is more than I have for most humans I know.

Can't imagine what you are going through emotionally. It makes my eyes water up just thinking about it.
The hardest part of being a dog owner  
RobCrossRiver56 : 10/19/2017 3:55 pm : link
is putting them down. But remember the dog only lived so long because of you. In Nature dogs live about half of what domestic dogs do. That's because we remove nature from the equation.

We provide, food, shelter, medicine and protection from predators. Because we do this we are burdened with the decision of when to put them down.

Next big decision is staying with the dog thru the process. I did and it was one of the hardest things I have ever done in my adult life.

I wish you the best..
I've gone through it  
Gman11 : 10/19/2017 4:15 pm : link
and now my oldest dog is almost 15. Just thinking about when that time comes gets me depressed.
So sorry to hear Arc.  
Jints in Carolina : 10/19/2017 4:28 pm : link
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Yeah, we just lost our lab at 14 1/2,  
barens : 10/19/2017 4:35 pm : link
it's a rough process, debating whether to get another.
just went through it  
Vanzetti : 10/19/2017 4:46 pm : link
Very tough. But I'm glad to hear you say you don't want him to suffer. Too many owners don't see that. I know I probably let my guy go a few days too long. Look in his eyes. If they are glazed, it means they are in pain.

the real terrible thing is that they know something is wrong and they look to you to make it better like you have probably done before. But you can't.

Hope it goes as well as it can

It is a heartbreaking thing to lose a beloved pet  
JerryNYG : 10/19/2017 4:59 pm : link
They really become members of the family, and bring us so much joy. We owe it to them to do our best to make them comfortable and be there with them in the end. My thoughts are with you.
i'm very sorry to hear your news  
RasputinPrime : 10/19/2017 5:15 pm : link
make the right decision for your family - whatever that is.

I've been taking my 14 year old yorkie to weekly chemo treatments which I never thought i'd be willing to pay for. Turns out neither my wife or I were ready to let go and while it has been hard, he continues to fight to be by our side. As long as he is visibly enjoying being here, we are committed to doing whatever is needed to help him.
Sorry to hear Arc.  
ctc in ftmyers : 10/19/2017 5:44 pm : link
It's never easy. You would think having multiple animals of all shapes and sizes that one would get used to it.

You don't.
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arcarsenal : 10/19/2017 5:56 pm : link
Thank you, guys.

One big tell from him is that he almost always sleeps right next to my bed - but lately, he's been sleeping in places where he usually doesn't.

Last night he laid down in my bedroom but after an hour or so, he got up and walked out into another room. He was back in the morning, but it's definitely not like him. He seems to be spending more time alone even though I keep going wherever he is, petting him, and encouraging him to follow me back upstairs or into my room.

It's rough. I know he doesn't feel well but he's still making his way around and wants to go for walks as soon as I grab his leash. He's slow but he doesn't need me to help him with the stairs or anything.

I guess I just want to do the right thing - for him more than anything else. Probably overthinking it. I'll know.
hey brother,  
Moondawg : 10/19/2017 6:31 pm : link
just wanted to say I'm sorry.
Arc, I'm so sorry.  
RodneyHamp : 10/19/2017 6:48 pm : link
It is unfair that the life of a dog is so short. In April, my 11 1/2 year old lab suddenly passed away, found her on the kitchen floor. She meant so much to us, we got her after my wife's stroke (she was my girlfriend at the time) and was such comfort to us after my son passed away. I still feel so guilty that I wasn't there with her to comfort her when it was her time to go. I was always dreading when I would have to make "the decision." Just know I'm thinking of you during this time, and as Brett said, you can always send me an email to talk.
Very sorry to hear this arc  
Sean : 10/19/2017 7:11 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 10/19/2017 7:20 pm : link
Appreciate it, buds.

Things like this are why I still post here. A lot of bullshit to go around, but there are still a lot of really great people here.

Means a lot.
I hear you arc  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/19/2017 7:26 pm : link
those buggers really find the way into your heart, don;t they

there's a lot of pain in losing your pal - one who's been completely unselfish, giving and appreciative of you in a very unqualified fashion

just make sure when the quality of life gets to the point that they are either suffering or diminished - that you help them out by putting them out of it -- it's the best thing to do for both of you

I myself had to go right out and get another pal -- it doesn't make the pain go away - but it sure helped me

keep your eye on all the great memories you have
Arc  
M in VA : 10/19/2017 7:49 pm : link
I'm so sorry bro. I went through the exact same scenario last week. My dog started vomiting last Tuesday morning, and knew it was time. Took her to the vet that morning knowing what was going on and set up an appointment to put her down on Saturday. She was actually in good spirits the rest of that day and Wednesday. Didn't appear to be in pain and was back to her old self. Was even eating more than she had been in weeks. Then last Thursday, she was gone. In a way, I'm thankful that I didn't have to put her down, and she passed at home. I read BBI everyday but never post. Today makes a week and when I read your post, I had to respond. Stay strong brother. You are not alone.
Really sorry  
Bleedin Blue : 10/19/2017 8:07 pm : link
Hat you and your family are going through this, you've been blessed to have him for that long. We had our Border collie/lab for 16 years, she had the same issue. We brought her in when she started to fail, the vet said he could giver some meds and fluids and it should help her. We were all ready to go and pick her up when she took a turn and passed. I like to believe she saved us the decision.
I feel for you and please know that you gave him a good life and are saving him from suffering.
Hang in there arc.  
RDJR : 10/19/2017 8:12 pm : link
Compassion and love never gets old. Love your pup until the end and your ability to show compassion to relieve the suffering is all that is needed. Your great memories will take care of the rest. My heart goes out to you. We’ve been there.
I wish you did not have to go through this Arc...  
EricJ : 10/19/2017 8:47 pm : link
unfortunately dog owners feel this pain multiple times in their lives since dogs have a much shorter life expectancy. They become part of your family and almost human. Just enjoy whatever time you have left with him/her
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