-2014 vs. Houston (30-17 win, Giants got up early 17-0)
-2014 @ Washington (45-14 win, Giants were up 24-7 at halftime)
-2014 vs. Atlanta (30-20 win, come from behind victory)
-2014 vs. Dallas (28-31 loss, blew a 21-10 halftime lead)
-2014 @ Jacksonville (24-25 loss, blew a 21-3 halftime lead)
-2014 @ Tennessee (36-7 win, Giants were up 30-0 early in the 3rd quarter)
-2014 vs. St. Louis (37-27 win, Giants led 20-3 in 2nd quarter)
-2015 @ Washington (32-21 win, Giants led 25-6 early in the 4th quarter)
-2015 vs. Tampa Bay (32-18 win, Giants led 20-9 early in the 3rd quarter)
-2015 @ Miami (31-24 win, close game throughout)
-2015 vs. Philadelphia (30-35 loss, Giants trailed 14-3 at the start of the 2nd quarter)
-2016 vs. New Orleans (16-13 win, close game throughout)
-2016 vs. Dallas (10-7 win, close game throughout)
-2016 vs. Detroit (17-6 win, close game until late in 4th quarter)
-2016 at Washington (19-10 win, close game until late in 4th quarter)
-2017 at Denver (23-10 win, Giants led 17-3 at halftime)
Looking at the scores, I'd say most of the times in 2014 and 2015 that the Giants ran 30+ times was because they were up by at least two scores for much of the game.
In 2016, they ran more often in close games, but they also had a defense that could hold a lead.
I'd bet that if the defense plays up to its potential, we'll see the team start to grind things out with more runs.
effectively helps the team in many ways especially the QB who
is a great pocket passer and feeds off of play action .
Unfortunately they forgot about that aspect with Capatain
dink and dunk at the helm .
I think this week you have to go with the same formula heavy
dose of the run game and hope to get some play action passing
in . There O-line is every bit as suspect as ours . Tunrovers
will be crucial . No reason why we can't win this game .
I think we are all excited to see what happens going forward Â
Running the ball and controlling the clock were especially important in the Denver game because of the altitude. It was critical to shorten the game and keep the defense off the field.
It's sort of an empty stat, but I do think the overall point remains - the Giants need a ground game to succeed.
They're not going to win games having Eli throw the ball 40 times at this point. It's not a good strategy.
No matter how much this league changes, I still believe very strongly that running the football and playing defense will get you very far. I know you can look at a handful of teams that won or played in recent Super Bowls that weren't necessarily great at one or the other - but I still feel it's generally a winning formula.
Not that it's the only way to win in this league. But it's one.
for three years. Stop acting like you didn't see Jennings and then Perkins get crushed countless times behind the line of scrimmage because they couldn't get anything going.
for three years. Stop acting like you didn't see Jennings and then Perkins get crushed countless times behind the line of scrimmage because they couldn't get anything going.
Maybe neither are good players?
Jennings is out of the league. He literally had zero interest from any other team in the league when he left here.
Perkins averaged UNDER 2 YPC this year. The other RB's on the team haven't.
Just because certain guys can't get the job done doesn't mean you stop trying. Clearly they've found something in recent weeks with a different OL configuration and Gallman/Darkwa.
for three years. Stop acting like you didn't see Jennings and then Perkins get crushed countless times behind the line of scrimmage because they couldn't get anything going.
Maybe neither are good players?
Jennings is out of the league. He literally had zero interest from any other team in the league when he left here.
Perkins averaged UNDER 2 YPC this year. The other RB's on the team haven't.
Just because certain guys can't get the job done doesn't mean you stop trying. Clearly they've found something in recent weeks with a different OL configuration and Gallman/Darkwa.
Sure it's the players. And when you don't have the players, there's not much you can actually do about it. We're all acutely aware of how bad the offensive line has been for years and that Jennings had a fork in his back. They give him nearly 200 carries last season, and Perkins, a rookie, got the ball more than Ahmad Bradshaw did in his first two seasons combined.
So this suggestion that this coach is against running the football or doesn't want to run the football is pretty much junk.
But regardless of NYG's specific situation, if you can run the ball 30 times, you're either winning in the trenches w/ your OL or as some suggested, you're up so much early you run to shorten the game
Generally either scenario tends to a W, save anomalies like our 2007 WAS 2nd game. Tho 28 runs isn't 30, BJ was 25 for 130. Yet we throw 53 times in the rain w/ a 'skittish' QB. Obv a cherry picked example but run that much with success you'll W a ton. It's not the only formula esp today, but would be correct most times
A similar example was SD last wk. Should have run MUCH more given the success. But we end at 25 carries in spite of a close game and a late lead. It's absolute conjecture, but does 5 more runs lead to a W? Whether because of more O / pts or just more clock runoff?
Then why the hell don't we just come out and have the first 30 plays Â
No matter how much this league changes, I still believe very strongly that running the football and playing defense will get you very far. I know you can look at a handful of teams that won or played in recent Super Bowls that weren't necessarily great at one or the other - but I still feel it's generally a winning formula.
Not that it's the only way to win in this league. But it's one.
Running the ball and defense seem like they become more important in the playoffs. I'm not quite sure why that is, but it seems to be the case.
RE: RE: RE: The Giants have been trying to run the ball Â
for three years. Stop acting like you didn't see Jennings and then Perkins get crushed countless times behind the line of scrimmage because they couldn't get anything going.
Maybe neither are good players?
Jennings is out of the league. He literally had zero interest from any other team in the league when he left here.
Perkins averaged UNDER 2 YPC this year. The other RB's on the team haven't.
Just because certain guys can't get the job done doesn't mean you stop trying. Clearly they've found something in recent weeks with a different OL configuration and Gallman/Darkwa.
Sure it's the players. And when you don't have the players, there's not much you can actually do about it. We're all acutely aware of how bad the offensive line has been for years and that Jennings had a fork in his back. They give him nearly 200 carries last season, and Perkins, a rookie, got the ball more than Ahmad Bradshaw did in his first two seasons combined.
So this suggestion that this coach is against running the football or doesn't want to run the football is pretty much junk.
It's not junk. You don't see any difference between the way we ran this offense the first 2-3 weeks and the way we played last week?
Part of the coaches job is to figure out who his best players are and deploy them correctly. He did not do that early in the season.
How many 2 TE sets or heavy formations did we see against Dallas or Detroit? How many times did we even run the ball on consecutive plays? (Answer is twice in two entire games...)
We went out there last weekend and ran the ball extremely well against the best run defense in football. So, either it was one of the flukiest games we'll see this year (which isn't totally out of the question) or our approach to running the ball and this offense in general were poor to start this season, which is absolutely McAdoo's fault.
No matter how much this league changes, I still believe very strongly that running the football and playing defense will get you very far. I know you can look at a handful of teams that won or played in recent Super Bowls that weren't necessarily great at one or the other - but I still feel it's generally a winning formula.
Not that it's the only way to win in this league. But it's one.
Running the ball and defense seem like they become more important in the playoffs. I'm not quite sure why that is, but it seems to be the case.
I think it's just a physical sport and late in the year, when you have the man power to wear down your opponent by controlling possession and playing good defense, you really enhance your chance of winning football games.
I don't believe there's one specific "formula" for winning football games - but I do believe this one gives you a good chance to win most games if you can do it well and protect the football.
Probably both.
Darkwa is our best back and he's 5 minutes away from the shelf. Gallman has chops but who knows...we will see.
-2014 vs. Houston (30-17 win, Giants got up early 17-0)
-2014 @ Washington (45-14 win, Giants were up 24-7 at halftime)
-2014 vs. Atlanta (30-20 win, come from behind victory)
-2014 vs. Dallas (28-31 loss, blew a 21-10 halftime lead)
-2014 @ Jacksonville (24-25 loss, blew a 21-3 halftime lead)
-2014 @ Tennessee (36-7 win, Giants were up 30-0 early in the 3rd quarter)
-2014 vs. St. Louis (37-27 win, Giants led 20-3 in 2nd quarter)
-2015 @ Washington (32-21 win, Giants led 25-6 early in the 4th quarter)
-2015 vs. Tampa Bay (32-18 win, Giants led 20-9 early in the 3rd quarter)
-2015 @ Miami (31-24 win, close game throughout)
-2015 vs. Philadelphia (30-35 loss, Giants trailed 14-3 at the start of the 2nd quarter)
-2016 vs. New Orleans (16-13 win, close game throughout)
-2016 vs. Dallas (10-7 win, close game throughout)
-2016 vs. Detroit (17-6 win, close game until late in 4th quarter)
-2016 at Washington (19-10 win, close game until late in 4th quarter)
-2017 at Denver (23-10 win, Giants led 17-3 at halftime)
Looking at the scores, I'd say most of the times in 2014 and 2015 that the Giants ran 30+ times was because they were up by at least two scores for much of the game.
In 2016, they ran more often in close games, but they also had a defense that could hold a lead.
I'd bet that if the defense plays up to its potential, we'll see the team start to grind things out with more runs.
is a great pocket passer and feeds off of play action .
Unfortunately they forgot about that aspect with Capatain
dink and dunk at the helm .
I think this week you have to go with the same formula heavy
dose of the run game and hope to get some play action passing
in . There O-line is every bit as suspect as ours . Tunrovers
will be crucial . No reason why we can't win this game .
They're not going to win games having Eli throw the ball 40 times at this point. It's not a good strategy.
No matter how much this league changes, I still believe very strongly that running the football and playing defense will get you very far. I know you can look at a handful of teams that won or played in recent Super Bowls that weren't necessarily great at one or the other - but I still feel it's generally a winning formula.
Not that it's the only way to win in this league. But it's one.
Wait a minute, that loss got us in position to draft Flowers! So that's a win for us, right?
Maybe neither are good players?
Jennings is out of the league. He literally had zero interest from any other team in the league when he left here.
Perkins averaged UNDER 2 YPC this year. The other RB's on the team haven't.
Just because certain guys can't get the job done doesn't mean you stop trying. Clearly they've found something in recent weeks with a different OL configuration and Gallman/Darkwa.
It was nice seeing Eli under center & success running the ball.
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for three years. Stop acting like you didn't see Jennings and then Perkins get crushed countless times behind the line of scrimmage because they couldn't get anything going.
Maybe neither are good players?
Jennings is out of the league. He literally had zero interest from any other team in the league when he left here.
Perkins averaged UNDER 2 YPC this year. The other RB's on the team haven't.
Just because certain guys can't get the job done doesn't mean you stop trying. Clearly they've found something in recent weeks with a different OL configuration and Gallman/Darkwa.
Sure it's the players. And when you don't have the players, there's not much you can actually do about it. We're all acutely aware of how bad the offensive line has been for years and that Jennings had a fork in his back. They give him nearly 200 carries last season, and Perkins, a rookie, got the ball more than Ahmad Bradshaw did in his first two seasons combined.
So this suggestion that this coach is against running the football or doesn't want to run the football is pretty much junk.
Generally either scenario tends to a W, save anomalies like our 2007 WAS 2nd game. Tho 28 runs isn't 30, BJ was 25 for 130. Yet we throw 53 times in the rain w/ a 'skittish' QB. Obv a cherry picked example but run that much with success you'll W a ton. It's not the only formula esp today, but would be correct most times
A similar example was SD last wk. Should have run MUCH more given the success. But we end at 25 carries in spite of a close game and a late lead. It's absolute conjecture, but does 5 more runs lead to a W? Whether because of more O / pts or just more clock runoff?
Almost a guaranteed win...
No matter how much this league changes, I still believe very strongly that running the football and playing defense will get you very far. I know you can look at a handful of teams that won or played in recent Super Bowls that weren't necessarily great at one or the other - but I still feel it's generally a winning formula.
Not that it's the only way to win in this league. But it's one.
Running the ball and defense seem like they become more important in the playoffs. I'm not quite sure why that is, but it seems to be the case.
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for three years. Stop acting like you didn't see Jennings and then Perkins get crushed countless times behind the line of scrimmage because they couldn't get anything going.
Maybe neither are good players?
Jennings is out of the league. He literally had zero interest from any other team in the league when he left here.
Perkins averaged UNDER 2 YPC this year. The other RB's on the team haven't.
Just because certain guys can't get the job done doesn't mean you stop trying. Clearly they've found something in recent weeks with a different OL configuration and Gallman/Darkwa.
Sure it's the players. And when you don't have the players, there's not much you can actually do about it. We're all acutely aware of how bad the offensive line has been for years and that Jennings had a fork in his back. They give him nearly 200 carries last season, and Perkins, a rookie, got the ball more than Ahmad Bradshaw did in his first two seasons combined.
So this suggestion that this coach is against running the football or doesn't want to run the football is pretty much junk.
It's not junk. You don't see any difference between the way we ran this offense the first 2-3 weeks and the way we played last week?
Part of the coaches job is to figure out who his best players are and deploy them correctly. He did not do that early in the season.
How many 2 TE sets or heavy formations did we see against Dallas or Detroit? How many times did we even run the ball on consecutive plays? (Answer is twice in two entire games...)
We went out there last weekend and ran the ball extremely well against the best run defense in football. So, either it was one of the flukiest games we'll see this year (which isn't totally out of the question) or our approach to running the ball and this offense in general were poor to start this season, which is absolutely McAdoo's fault.
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No matter how much this league changes, I still believe very strongly that running the football and playing defense will get you very far. I know you can look at a handful of teams that won or played in recent Super Bowls that weren't necessarily great at one or the other - but I still feel it's generally a winning formula.
Not that it's the only way to win in this league. But it's one.
Running the ball and defense seem like they become more important in the playoffs. I'm not quite sure why that is, but it seems to be the case.
I think it's just a physical sport and late in the year, when you have the man power to wear down your opponent by controlling possession and playing good defense, you really enhance your chance of winning football games.
I don't believe there's one specific "formula" for winning football games - but I do believe this one gives you a good chance to win most games if you can do it well and protect the football.