Did anyone else see this? This is one of my favorite conspiracy theory topics of all time -- what is there actually left to come out that opponents of this would not want out?
Don't want to trigger retribution against family members of people who assisted our inquiries from inside the Soviet and/or Mexican governments back when . . . .
Apparently these documents also reveal just how badly our FBI and CIA resources as well as whatever the Warren Commission had going for it as staff behaved during the investigation -- what was covered up, not shared, and so on. That is, our own intergovernmental messes and stupidity. Secret agents never think that sort of thing ought to be revealed.
Is that the whole assassination has become so muddled and so grey, that someone who actually knows the honest truth could tell you what really happened and you still wouldn't believe them. Exactly what the government wanted to happen.
might be some interesting tidbits about Howard Hunt in these soon to be released documents .
Yes , that would be the Nixon's Howard Hunt of Watergate fame . If you look closely at the photos of the three "tramps" that were arrested just shortly after the assassination , one of them looks strikingly like Hunt and another looks just like Frank Sturgis , also of Watergate fame .
Sadly , these "tramps" were quickly released without any record as to who they were ever being disclosed .
There is no way Oswald did that shooting from the School Book Depository . There were multiple shots fired including some from the front of the limo .
Also , the single bullet theory is the biggest crock ever told to the American people . Just take a look at the Zapruder film . The single bullet theory states that the same bullet that exits JFK's throat also struck John Connally . If you look at the limo emerge from behind the Stemmons freeway sign , JFK is already grasping at his throat , clearly having been shot . Then look at Connally . He is casually looking around trying to see where the shots or "firecrackers" are coming from . Seconds pass before Connally is actually hit . Connally himself stated that he was not struck by the same shot that hit JFK . All you have to do is look at the Zapruder film on Youtube or elsewhere . Its plain as day he was not hit by the shot that exited JFK's throat . Yet , the Warren Commission told this lie to the American people because only three shell casings were found on the sixth floor of the School Book Depository ( which were planted there ) and one shot struck JFK in the back , another in the head and another struck bystander James Teague . So they had to make up this ridiculous single bullet theory to support their position that Oswald did the shooting .
They either will not be released or contain little if anything of new info
The CIA has already come out and said they are lobbying to keep them sealed for another 25 years. SMH
They do that every single time this subject comes up...Does not mean shit..SMH
What are you shaking your head about? I was just relaying exactly what I heard on the news. There was zero slant to my comment. Sorry if the SMH was for the CIA and not me. But just to be clear Im not insinuating anything.
I think its comletely unacceptable that the government is able to keep secrets from the American people for so long. The national security state has only gotten worse - exponentially worse - since JFK was assassinated. I have always thought the most ridiculous theory of the JFK murder is the official explanation.
I love how many people here on BBI have watched the ....
as the lone gunman is the pathetic shoddy work by the FBI, CIA and the Warren Commission in doing the investigation. That's why there are so many conspiracy theories and why so much of the American public has never accepted the "official" findings.
As to why the investigation was done so poorly that's also up for debate (and conspiracy theorists).
Personally just using common sense, I have a very hard time believing Oswald acted alone. Just from a scientific standpoint doesn't seem possible.
How many people do you think it would take to pull off the murder of JFK? From the concept, to the planning, to the financing, to the logistics. And then by extension, how many people would find out about it after the fact, from those who were involved. And then, with the passage of over 50 years, how many people would have had the opportiunity to come forward and speak about what they know? And how many of those people would think to themselves, "I think it's time to come forward, and blow the lid off this thing, with proof of a conspiracy, because I can make a billion dollars from it." Or maybe on they're on their death bed and don't want to die with this information hanging over them. Where are all of these people? Convince me that there is some reason why no one could offer any shred of credible evidence over the span of 55 years that anyone other than Oswald committed the murder.
I'm not sure if you are referring to my post or not
I was trying to dispel the idea that there was some sort of motivation to release them politically by pointing out the date was set 25 years ago.
I thought the thread might delve into a Trump thread by people trying to explore what why he did it and I was giving the factual basis that the timing had nothing to do with him
But this does have a smidgen to do with him as he does have a decision. And there is political pressure on him to not release as both Slate and Politico noted.
recent reports about the upcoming declassification noted that Trump was under pressure from some government agencies to not release some of the documents. Specifically, the CIA had allegedly been pressuring Trump to block the release of some of the assassination documents on national security grounds, possibly to protect CIA tradecraft and the identity of agency informants who might still be alive, Politico reported this week.
Have inflicted. Not hard to believe Oswald was the sole gunman especially as security back then is not as robust as today. Hinkley almost did the same to Reagan less than 20 years later.
at this point, an real alternate shooter could confess to doing the hit, explain in full detail how Oswald was set up, and how the hit went off, who ordered the hit, and every conceivable fact imaginable, and he would be dismissed as a conspiracy nut.
Government agents/employees could confess to there being a coverup, and they'd be dismissed as conspiracy nuts.
Trump himself would be dismissed as a nut, but then, he could say the sun rises in the east, and he'd be dismissed as a nut.
Anything short of a full official gov't admission is going to be dismissed.
That's how muddied the waters are and have been for a long time. how do you know there isn't real evidence, or people's testimony, that has been raised, but thrown in with the false leads/loony side of the conspiracy theories?
They either will not be released or contain little if anything of new info
The CIA has already come out and said they are lobbying to keep them sealed for another 25 years. SMH
They do that every single time this subject comes up...Does not mean shit..SMH
What are you shaking your head about? I was just relaying exactly what I heard on the news. There was zero slant to my comment. Sorry if the SMH was for the CIA and not me. But just to be clear Im not insinuating anything.
What? I was agreeing with you on how stupid the whole thing is with the CIA fighting to stop this
at this point, an real alternate shooter could confess to doing the hit, explain in full detail how Oswald was set up, and how the hit went off, who ordered the hit, and every conceivable fact imaginable, and he would be dismissed as a conspiracy nut.
Government agents/employees could confess to there being a coverup, and they'd be dismissed as conspiracy nuts.
Trump himself would be dismissed as a nut, but then, he could say the sun rises in the east, and he'd be dismissed as a nut.
Anything short of a full official gov't admission is going to be dismissed.
That's how muddied the waters are and have been for a long time. how do you know there isn't real evidence, or people's testimony, that has been raised, but thrown in with the false leads/loony side of the conspiracy theories?
LMAO...Yeah he gets so wrongly accused of stuff that is fact..Too funny
RE: RE: I love how many people here on BBI have watched the ....
at this point, an real alternate shooter could confess to doing the hit, explain in full detail how Oswald was set up, and how the hit went off, who ordered the hit, and every conceivable fact imaginable, and he would be dismissed as a conspiracy nut.
Government agents/employees could confess to there being a coverup, and they'd be dismissed as conspiracy nuts.
Trump himself would be dismissed as a nut, but then, he could say the sun rises in the east, and he'd be dismissed as a nut.
Anything short of a full official gov't admission is going to be dismissed.
That's how muddied the waters are and have been for a long time. how do you know there isn't real evidence, or people's testimony, that has been raised, but thrown in with the false leads/loony side of the conspiracy theories?
LMAO...Yeah he gets so wrongly accused of stuff that is fact..Too funny
Sorry, as I stated I didnt quite get the context of your post, whether it was directed at me or them. Sorry about that.
I always thought Ruby was the greatest indicator of a conspiracy
Almost 60 years ago. Meanwhile it's the same country that finds itself in its current predicament. Let's focus on that. This was going to be released anyways? But it's big news now all of a sudden? GTFOH.
at this point, an real alternate shooter could confess to doing the hit, explain in full detail how Oswald was set up, and how the hit went off, who ordered the hit, and every conceivable fact imaginable, and he would be dismissed as a conspiracy nut.
Government agents/employees could confess to there being a coverup, and they'd be dismissed as conspiracy nuts.
Trump himself would be dismissed as a nut, but then, he could say the sun rises in the east, and he'd be dismissed as a nut.
Anything short of a full official gov't admission is going to be dismissed.
That's how muddied the waters are and have been for a long time. how do you know there isn't real evidence, or people's testimony, that has been raised, but thrown in with the false leads/loony side of the conspiracy theories?
LMAO...Yeah he gets so wrongly accused of stuff that is fact..Too funny
Sorry, as I stated I didnt quite get the context of your post, whether it was directed at me or them. Sorry about that.
No worries brother!
RE: Pffft. Such feelings about something that happened
Almost 60 years ago. Meanwhile it's the same country that finds itself in its current predicament. Let's focus on that. This was going to be released anyways? But it's big news now all of a sudden? GTFOH.
What's going to get released, if anything, will be nothing of significance. It's all a dog and pony show right now
Supposed to be sequestered for 75 years to make sure all players were deceased; knowing 2-3 generations passing would make it ancient history.
Or am I thinking of some other assassination?
There is no way Oswald did that shooting from the School Book Depository . There were multiple shots fired including some from the front of the limo .
Also , the single bullet theory is the biggest crock ever told to the American people . Just take a look at the Zapruder film . The single bullet theory states that the same bullet that exits JFK's throat also struck John Connally . If you look at the limo emerge from behind the Stemmons freeway sign , JFK is already grasping at his throat , clearly having been shot . Then look at Connally . He is casually looking around trying to see where the shots or "firecrackers" are coming from . Seconds pass before Connally is actually hit . Connally himself stated that he was not struck by the same shot that hit JFK . All you have to do is look at the Zapruder film on Youtube or elsewhere . Its plain as day he was not hit by the shot that exited JFK's throat . Yet , the Warren Commission told this lie to the American people because only three shell casings were found on the sixth floor of the School Book Depository ( which were planted there ) and one shot struck JFK in the back , another in the head and another struck bystander James Teague . So they had to make up this ridiculous single bullet theory to support their position that Oswald did the shooting .
The single shot that hit both Kennedy and Connelly has already been repeated and turned out exactly as it happened. They even had ammunition from the same lot number as those Oswald used. The people that did the recreation matched everything as it was that day.
Have inflicted. Not hard to believe Oswald was the sole gunman especially as security back then is not as robust as today. Hinkley almost did the same to Reagan less than 20 years later.
Those events were not really comparable.
RE: RE: Pffft. Such feelings about something that happened
Almost 60 years ago. Meanwhile it's the same country that finds itself in its current predicament. Let's focus on that. This was going to be released anyways? But it's big news now all of a sudden? GTFOH.
What's going to get released, if anything, will be nothing of significance. It's all a dog and pony show right now
There is nothing of significance to be released. After a half century of defectors, investigations, trials, re-enactments, the collapse of the Soviet Union, the opening and study of Soviet-era archives, I doubt there are very many surprises left.
The single shot that hit both Kennedy and Connelly has already been repeated and turned out exactly as it happened. They even had ammunition from the same lot number as those Oswald used. The people that did the recreation matched everything as it was that day.
Did you even take a moment to take a look at the Zapruder film ?
Its very clear that Connally wasn't struck by the same bullet that hit JFK .
I can't care what a bunch of Warren Commission apologists say . Look at the Zapruder film and try to tell me that a man gets shot in the back . The bullet punctures his lung , breaks ribs , exits through his chest , enters and exits his wrist , then enters his thigh . And your telling me he doesn't even react to being shot . Sorry , but I believe what my own eyes tell me as well as the WORD OF THE MAN THAT WAS SHOT , saying that the same bullet that struck JFK didn't strike him over the word of Warren Commission apologists . On top of everything else , this bullet that supposedly did all that damage and supposedly came from Oswald's gun was later found on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital that wasn't even used for Connally in near pristine condition . On top of everything else , there were more fragments left in Connally's wrist alone than were missing from the "magic" bullet .
No matter how much is released. No matter how much is, or isn't redacted, this will not bring closure. Too many people are too invested in their own theories to accept anything that might differ.
The single shot that hit both Kennedy and Connelly has already been repeated and turned out exactly as it happened. They even had ammunition from the same lot number as those Oswald used. The people that did the recreation matched everything as it was that day.
Did you even take a moment to take a look at the Zapruder film ?
Its very clear that Connally wasn't struck by the same bullet that hit JFK .
I can't care what a bunch of Warren Commission apologists say . Look at the Zapruder film and try to tell me that a man gets shot in the back . The bullet punctures his lung , breaks ribs , exits through his chest , enters and exits his wrist , then enters his thigh . And your telling me he doesn't even react to being shot . Sorry , but I believe what my own eyes tell me as well as the WORD OF THE MAN THAT WAS SHOT , saying that the same bullet that struck JFK didn't strike him over the word of Warren Commission apologists . On top of everything else , this bullet that supposedly did all that damage and supposedly came from Oswald's gun was later found on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital that wasn't even used for Connally in near pristine condition . On top of everything else , there were more fragments left in Connally's wrist alone than were missing from the "magic" bullet .
Zapruder 8mm film is grainy as all get out and I've seen it a few dozen times and aside from the blume from the kill shot not too much else is recognizable.. As I said in my post, I believe it was an Australian investigative team reenacted the whole thing. Moving car at the same speed, scaffold at exact 6th floor height, exact same lot of ammunition and a duplicate of the rifle. They used ballistic jelly with bone structure. Set an exact duplicate of JFK (height, weight, shape) in the same clothes; positioned him and the dummy for Connally in the same '62 Lincoln in exact posture as they were at the time of the shooting - as per the film.
The sniper fired the round and hit the dummy within 3/4 inch of were JFK was hit in the back. The bullet traveled nearly the exact same path, passed thru the same way and hit the Connally dummy in almost the exact same spot.
At 75 yards a rifle round will easily pass through a person and still carry lethal velocity.
And it was already proven that a competent rifleman could fire 3 accurate rounds in the required 8 seconds including two fired within the 1.7secs as did Oswald. It has been done on several occasions.
On a side note, has anyone ever been to the Book Depository Museum?
It's not conspiracy theory but very well documented facts on what the key players were doing
My takeaway was that as a big picture it showed from the key players involved that government was not acting as if they were under a foreign threat and at least acted very suspiciously to their own players like LBJ, meaning they thought it was at least possible
I saw the same documentary you are referring to and it doesn't prove anything . All they did was prove that the shots could line up under controlled circumstances , not that it actually happened that way .
I've provided a link to an interview with the Connally's in which they clearly describe how the shooting unfolded . It is very clear from their description of the events that day that John Connally was hit by a different bullet that the one that struck JFK in the throat . They were the ones in the limo when the shooting took place .
Their description completely disproves the single bullet theory . On top of their description , the photographic evidence backs up exactly what the Connally's said . You say you can't make out what you see in the Zapruder film .
Is it that you can't see it or don't want to see it ? As I've said above , its very clear to anyone that looks at the film with an open mind will see that as the limo emerges from behind the Stemmons Freeway sign , JFK has already been hit in the throat . Connally clearly and casually looks back over his shoulder to see what the commotion is all about , sees nothing. It is clear that he has not been shot at this time . Then he turns back to look over his other shoulder when he is then struck in the back by a bullet . The whole time before he is struck , Connally is holding onto his hat with the wrist that has supposedly already been shattered by a bullet , yet he shows no reaction at all to being shot ! On top of the photographic evidence shown on the Zapruder film , the Connally's themselves described the shooting as happening EXACTLY this way .
Just because there was a documentary made showing that the two men COULD have been shot by the same bullet does not mean that it happened that way . I'll believe what my own eyes tell me and take the word of the shooting victims themselves that were actually in the limo that day . Link - ( New Window )
This time the interview is accompanied by the Zapruder film with a blow by blow account given by Connally describing exactly how he was not hit by the shot that hit JFK in the throat .
Connally showed no signs at all of being a man that had just been shot by a bullet that exited JFK's throat and he said himself that it was a different shot that hit him .
The entire case made by the Warren Commission goes out the window without the single bullet theory and their credibility does as well . Link - ( New Window )
There is one person who has the power to release them or not release them as per the schedule set 25 years ago and that is the President.
So far it looks like he is releasing them.
The date they are set for release is October 26th
I think the point of the thread was to talk about JFK....
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bullshit the only distraction is being falsely committed by the left. yep you posted the bs I called you on it
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At its finest.
Yup and we need you focused for the game 7 thread bruh, dont you be getting distracted by this thread
No doubt!
What are you yammering about now? The reply feature isn't that difficult bud.
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They either will not be released or contain little if anything of new info
The CIA has already come out and said they are lobbying to keep them sealed for another 25 years. SMH
They do that every single time this subject comes up...Does not mean shit..SMH
Apparently these documents also reveal just how badly our FBI and CIA resources as well as whatever the Warren Commission had going for it as staff behaved during the investigation -- what was covered up, not shared, and so on. That is, our own intergovernmental messes and stupidity. Secret agents never think that sort of thing ought to be revealed.
Ted Cruz's dad is still alive.
Yes , that would be the Nixon's Howard Hunt of Watergate fame . If you look closely at the photos of the three "tramps" that were arrested just shortly after the assassination , one of them looks strikingly like Hunt and another looks just like Frank Sturgis , also of Watergate fame .
Sadly , these "tramps" were quickly released without any record as to who they were ever being disclosed .
There is no way Oswald did that shooting from the School Book Depository . There were multiple shots fired including some from the front of the limo .
Also , the single bullet theory is the biggest crock ever told to the American people . Just take a look at the Zapruder film . The single bullet theory states that the same bullet that exits JFK's throat also struck John Connally . If you look at the limo emerge from behind the Stemmons freeway sign , JFK is already grasping at his throat , clearly having been shot . Then look at Connally . He is casually looking around trying to see where the shots or "firecrackers" are coming from . Seconds pass before Connally is actually hit . Connally himself stated that he was not struck by the same shot that hit JFK . All you have to do is look at the Zapruder film on Youtube or elsewhere . Its plain as day he was not hit by the shot that exited JFK's throat . Yet , the Warren Commission told this lie to the American people because only three shell casings were found on the sixth floor of the School Book Depository ( which were planted there ) and one shot struck JFK in the back , another in the head and another struck bystander James Teague . So they had to make up this ridiculous single bullet theory to support their position that Oswald did the shooting .
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They either will not be released or contain little if anything of new info
The CIA has already come out and said they are lobbying to keep them sealed for another 25 years. SMH
They do that every single time this subject comes up...Does not mean shit..SMH
What are you shaking your head about? I was just relaying exactly what I heard on the news. There was zero slant to my comment. Sorry if the SMH was for the CIA and not me. But just to be clear Im not insinuating anything.
There will be nothing to see here.
As to why the investigation was done so poorly that's also up for debate (and conspiracy theorists).
Personally just using common sense, I have a very hard time believing Oswald acted alone. Just from a scientific standpoint doesn't seem possible.
And I love how Millennials and Snowflakes think Oswald acted alone. Didn't know brainwashing was so easy.
I was trying to dispel the idea that there was some sort of motivation to release them politically by pointing out the date was set 25 years ago.
I thought the thread might delve into a Trump thread by people trying to explore what why he did it and I was giving the factual basis that the timing had nothing to do with him
But this does have a smidgen to do with him as he does have a decision. And there is political pressure on him to not release as both Slate and Politico noted.
recent reports about the upcoming declassification noted that Trump was under pressure from some government agencies to not release some of the documents. Specifically, the CIA had allegedly been pressuring Trump to block the release of some of the assassination documents on national security grounds, possibly to protect CIA tradecraft and the identity of agency informants who might still be alive, Politico reported this week.
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I think the point of the thread was to talk about JFK....
Government agents/employees could confess to there being a coverup, and they'd be dismissed as conspiracy nuts.
Trump himself would be dismissed as a nut, but then, he could say the sun rises in the east, and he'd be dismissed as a nut.
Anything short of a full official gov't admission is going to be dismissed.
That's how muddied the waters are and have been for a long time. how do you know there isn't real evidence, or people's testimony, that has been raised, but thrown in with the false leads/loony side of the conspiracy theories?
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They either will not be released or contain little if anything of new info
The CIA has already come out and said they are lobbying to keep them sealed for another 25 years. SMH
They do that every single time this subject comes up...Does not mean shit..SMH
What are you shaking your head about? I was just relaying exactly what I heard on the news. There was zero slant to my comment. Sorry if the SMH was for the CIA and not me. But just to be clear Im not insinuating anything.
What? I was agreeing with you on how stupid the whole thing is with the CIA fighting to stop this
Government agents/employees could confess to there being a coverup, and they'd be dismissed as conspiracy nuts.
Trump himself would be dismissed as a nut, but then, he could say the sun rises in the east, and he'd be dismissed as a nut.
Anything short of a full official gov't admission is going to be dismissed.
That's how muddied the waters are and have been for a long time. how do you know there isn't real evidence, or people's testimony, that has been raised, but thrown in with the false leads/loony side of the conspiracy theories?
LMAO...Yeah he gets so wrongly accused of stuff that is fact..Too funny
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countless TV shows and and Oliver Stone's movie, and think they have definitively solved the case.
And I love how Millennials and Snowflakes think Oswald acted alone. Didn't know brainwashing was so easy.
Let me guess Stan, you were filming a lemon party with Zapruder and he filled you in right?
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at this point, an real alternate shooter could confess to doing the hit, explain in full detail how Oswald was set up, and how the hit went off, who ordered the hit, and every conceivable fact imaginable, and he would be dismissed as a conspiracy nut.
Government agents/employees could confess to there being a coverup, and they'd be dismissed as conspiracy nuts.
Trump himself would be dismissed as a nut, but then, he could say the sun rises in the east, and he'd be dismissed as a nut.
Anything short of a full official gov't admission is going to be dismissed.
That's how muddied the waters are and have been for a long time. how do you know there isn't real evidence, or people's testimony, that has been raised, but thrown in with the false leads/loony side of the conspiracy theories?
LMAO...Yeah he gets so wrongly accused of stuff that is fact..Too funny
Sorry, as I stated I didnt quite get the context of your post, whether it was directed at me or them. Sorry about that.
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at this point, an real alternate shooter could confess to doing the hit, explain in full detail how Oswald was set up, and how the hit went off, who ordered the hit, and every conceivable fact imaginable, and he would be dismissed as a conspiracy nut.
Government agents/employees could confess to there being a coverup, and they'd be dismissed as conspiracy nuts.
Trump himself would be dismissed as a nut, but then, he could say the sun rises in the east, and he'd be dismissed as a nut.
Anything short of a full official gov't admission is going to be dismissed.
That's how muddied the waters are and have been for a long time. how do you know there isn't real evidence, or people's testimony, that has been raised, but thrown in with the false leads/loony side of the conspiracy theories?
LMAO...Yeah he gets so wrongly accused of stuff that is fact..Too funny
Sorry, as I stated I didnt quite get the context of your post, whether it was directed at me or them. Sorry about that.
No worries brother!
What's going to get released, if anything, will be nothing of significance. It's all a dog and pony show right now
Or am I thinking of some other assassination?
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Sorry, as I stated I didnt quite get the context of your post, whether it was directed at me or them. Sorry about that.
No worries brother!
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There is no way Oswald did that shooting from the School Book Depository . There were multiple shots fired including some from the front of the limo .
Also , the single bullet theory is the biggest crock ever told to the American people . Just take a look at the Zapruder film . The single bullet theory states that the same bullet that exits JFK's throat also struck John Connally . If you look at the limo emerge from behind the Stemmons freeway sign , JFK is already grasping at his throat , clearly having been shot . Then look at Connally . He is casually looking around trying to see where the shots or "firecrackers" are coming from . Seconds pass before Connally is actually hit . Connally himself stated that he was not struck by the same shot that hit JFK . All you have to do is look at the Zapruder film on Youtube or elsewhere . Its plain as day he was not hit by the shot that exited JFK's throat . Yet , the Warren Commission told this lie to the American people because only three shell casings were found on the sixth floor of the School Book Depository ( which were planted there ) and one shot struck JFK in the back , another in the head and another struck bystander James Teague . So they had to make up this ridiculous single bullet theory to support their position that Oswald did the shooting .
The single shot that hit both Kennedy and Connelly has already been repeated and turned out exactly as it happened. They even had ammunition from the same lot number as those Oswald used. The people that did the recreation matched everything as it was that day.
Those events were not really comparable.
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Almost 60 years ago. Meanwhile it's the same country that finds itself in its current predicament. Let's focus on that. This was going to be released anyways? But it's big news now all of a sudden? GTFOH.
What's going to get released, if anything, will be nothing of significance. It's all a dog and pony show right now
Did you even take a moment to take a look at the Zapruder film ?
Its very clear that Connally wasn't struck by the same bullet that hit JFK .
I can't care what a bunch of Warren Commission apologists say . Look at the Zapruder film and try to tell me that a man gets shot in the back . The bullet punctures his lung , breaks ribs , exits through his chest , enters and exits his wrist , then enters his thigh . And your telling me he doesn't even react to being shot . Sorry , but I believe what my own eyes tell me as well as the WORD OF THE MAN THAT WAS SHOT , saying that the same bullet that struck JFK didn't strike him over the word of Warren Commission apologists . On top of everything else , this bullet that supposedly did all that damage and supposedly came from Oswald's gun was later found on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital that wasn't even used for Connally in near pristine condition . On top of everything else , there were more fragments left in Connally's wrist alone than were missing from the "magic" bullet .
Did you even take a moment to take a look at the Zapruder film ?
Its very clear that Connally wasn't struck by the same bullet that hit JFK .
I can't care what a bunch of Warren Commission apologists say . Look at the Zapruder film and try to tell me that a man gets shot in the back . The bullet punctures his lung , breaks ribs , exits through his chest , enters and exits his wrist , then enters his thigh . And your telling me he doesn't even react to being shot . Sorry , but I believe what my own eyes tell me as well as the WORD OF THE MAN THAT WAS SHOT , saying that the same bullet that struck JFK didn't strike him over the word of Warren Commission apologists . On top of everything else , this bullet that supposedly did all that damage and supposedly came from Oswald's gun was later found on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital that wasn't even used for Connally in near pristine condition . On top of everything else , there were more fragments left in Connally's wrist alone than were missing from the "magic" bullet .
Zapruder 8mm film is grainy as all get out and I've seen it a few dozen times and aside from the blume from the kill shot not too much else is recognizable.. As I said in my post, I believe it was an Australian investigative team reenacted the whole thing. Moving car at the same speed, scaffold at exact 6th floor height, exact same lot of ammunition and a duplicate of the rifle. They used ballistic jelly with bone structure. Set an exact duplicate of JFK (height, weight, shape) in the same clothes; positioned him and the dummy for Connally in the same '62 Lincoln in exact posture as they were at the time of the shooting - as per the film.
The sniper fired the round and hit the dummy within 3/4 inch of were JFK was hit in the back. The bullet traveled nearly the exact same path, passed thru the same way and hit the Connally dummy in almost the exact same spot.
At 75 yards a rifle round will easily pass through a person and still carry lethal velocity.
And it was already proven that a competent rifleman could fire 3 accurate rounds in the required 8 seconds including two fired within the 1.7secs as did Oswald. It has been done on several occasions.
It's not conspiracy theory but very well documented facts on what the key players were doing
My takeaway was that as a big picture it showed from the key players involved that government was not acting as if they were under a foreign threat and at least acted very suspiciously to their own players like LBJ, meaning they thought it was at least possible
I saw the same documentary you are referring to and it doesn't prove anything . All they did was prove that the shots could line up under controlled circumstances , not that it actually happened that way .
I've provided a link to an interview with the Connally's in which they clearly describe how the shooting unfolded . It is very clear from their description of the events that day that John Connally was hit by a different bullet that the one that struck JFK in the throat . They were the ones in the limo when the shooting took place .
Their description completely disproves the single bullet theory . On top of their description , the photographic evidence backs up exactly what the Connally's said . You say you can't make out what you see in the Zapruder film .
Is it that you can't see it or don't want to see it ? As I've said above , its very clear to anyone that looks at the film with an open mind will see that as the limo emerges from behind the Stemmons Freeway sign , JFK has already been hit in the throat . Connally clearly and casually looks back over his shoulder to see what the commotion is all about , sees nothing. It is clear that he has not been shot at this time . Then he turns back to look over his other shoulder when he is then struck in the back by a bullet . The whole time before he is struck , Connally is holding onto his hat with the wrist that has supposedly already been shattered by a bullet , yet he shows no reaction at all to being shot ! On top of the photographic evidence shown on the Zapruder film , the Connally's themselves described the shooting as happening EXACTLY this way .
Just because there was a documentary made showing that the two men COULD have been shot by the same bullet does not mean that it happened that way . I'll believe what my own eyes tell me and take the word of the shooting victims themselves that were actually in the limo that day .
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This time the interview is accompanied by the Zapruder film with a blow by blow account given by Connally describing exactly how he was not hit by the shot that hit JFK in the throat .
Connally showed no signs at all of being a man that had just been shot by a bullet that exited JFK's throat and he said himself that it was a different shot that hit him .
The entire case made by the Warren Commission goes out the window without the single bullet theory and their credibility does as well .
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