Did anyone else see this? This is one of my favorite conspiracy theory topics of all time -- what is there actually left to come out that opponents of this would not want out?
Have inflicted. Not hard to believe Oswald was the sole gunman especially as security back then is not as robust as today. Hinkley almost did the same to Reagan less than 20 years later.
Those events were not really comparable.
RE: RE: Pffft. Such feelings about something that happened
Almost 60 years ago. Meanwhile it's the same country that finds itself in its current predicament. Let's focus on that. This was going to be released anyways? But it's big news now all of a sudden? GTFOH.
What's going to get released, if anything, will be nothing of significance. It's all a dog and pony show right now
There is nothing of significance to be released. After a half century of defectors, investigations, trials, re-enactments, the collapse of the Soviet Union, the opening and study of Soviet-era archives, I doubt there are very many surprises left.
The single shot that hit both Kennedy and Connelly has already been repeated and turned out exactly as it happened. They even had ammunition from the same lot number as those Oswald used. The people that did the recreation matched everything as it was that day.
Did you even take a moment to take a look at the Zapruder film ?
Its very clear that Connally wasn't struck by the same bullet that hit JFK .
I can't care what a bunch of Warren Commission apologists say . Look at the Zapruder film and try to tell me that a man gets shot in the back . The bullet punctures his lung , breaks ribs , exits through his chest , enters and exits his wrist , then enters his thigh . And your telling me he doesn't even react to being shot . Sorry , but I believe what my own eyes tell me as well as the WORD OF THE MAN THAT WAS SHOT , saying that the same bullet that struck JFK didn't strike him over the word of Warren Commission apologists . On top of everything else , this bullet that supposedly did all that damage and supposedly came from Oswald's gun was later found on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital that wasn't even used for Connally in near pristine condition . On top of everything else , there were more fragments left in Connally's wrist alone than were missing from the "magic" bullet .
No matter how much is released. No matter how much is, or isn't redacted, this will not bring closure. Too many people are too invested in their own theories to accept anything that might differ.
The single shot that hit both Kennedy and Connelly has already been repeated and turned out exactly as it happened. They even had ammunition from the same lot number as those Oswald used. The people that did the recreation matched everything as it was that day.
Did you even take a moment to take a look at the Zapruder film ?
Its very clear that Connally wasn't struck by the same bullet that hit JFK .
I can't care what a bunch of Warren Commission apologists say . Look at the Zapruder film and try to tell me that a man gets shot in the back . The bullet punctures his lung , breaks ribs , exits through his chest , enters and exits his wrist , then enters his thigh . And your telling me he doesn't even react to being shot . Sorry , but I believe what my own eyes tell me as well as the WORD OF THE MAN THAT WAS SHOT , saying that the same bullet that struck JFK didn't strike him over the word of Warren Commission apologists . On top of everything else , this bullet that supposedly did all that damage and supposedly came from Oswald's gun was later found on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital that wasn't even used for Connally in near pristine condition . On top of everything else , there were more fragments left in Connally's wrist alone than were missing from the "magic" bullet .
Zapruder 8mm film is grainy as all get out and I've seen it a few dozen times and aside from the blume from the kill shot not too much else is recognizable.. As I said in my post, I believe it was an Australian investigative team reenacted the whole thing. Moving car at the same speed, scaffold at exact 6th floor height, exact same lot of ammunition and a duplicate of the rifle. They used ballistic jelly with bone structure. Set an exact duplicate of JFK (height, weight, shape) in the same clothes; positioned him and the dummy for Connally in the same '62 Lincoln in exact posture as they were at the time of the shooting - as per the film.
The sniper fired the round and hit the dummy within 3/4 inch of were JFK was hit in the back. The bullet traveled nearly the exact same path, passed thru the same way and hit the Connally dummy in almost the exact same spot.
At 75 yards a rifle round will easily pass through a person and still carry lethal velocity.
And it was already proven that a competent rifleman could fire 3 accurate rounds in the required 8 seconds including two fired within the 1.7secs as did Oswald. It has been done on several occasions.
On a side note, has anyone ever been to the Book Depository Museum?
It's not conspiracy theory but very well documented facts on what the key players were doing
My takeaway was that as a big picture it showed from the key players involved that government was not acting as if they were under a foreign threat and at least acted very suspiciously to their own players like LBJ, meaning they thought it was at least possible
I saw the same documentary you are referring to and it doesn't prove anything . All they did was prove that the shots could line up under controlled circumstances , not that it actually happened that way .
I've provided a link to an interview with the Connally's in which they clearly describe how the shooting unfolded . It is very clear from their description of the events that day that John Connally was hit by a different bullet that the one that struck JFK in the throat . They were the ones in the limo when the shooting took place .
Their description completely disproves the single bullet theory . On top of their description , the photographic evidence backs up exactly what the Connally's said . You say you can't make out what you see in the Zapruder film .
Is it that you can't see it or don't want to see it ? As I've said above , its very clear to anyone that looks at the film with an open mind will see that as the limo emerges from behind the Stemmons Freeway sign , JFK has already been hit in the throat . Connally clearly and casually looks back over his shoulder to see what the commotion is all about , sees nothing. It is clear that he has not been shot at this time . Then he turns back to look over his other shoulder when he is then struck in the back by a bullet . The whole time before he is struck , Connally is holding onto his hat with the wrist that has supposedly already been shattered by a bullet , yet he shows no reaction at all to being shot ! On top of the photographic evidence shown on the Zapruder film , the Connally's themselves described the shooting as happening EXACTLY this way .
Just because there was a documentary made showing that the two men COULD have been shot by the same bullet does not mean that it happened that way . I'll believe what my own eyes tell me and take the word of the shooting victims themselves that were actually in the limo that day . Link - ( New Window )
This time the interview is accompanied by the Zapruder film with a blow by blow account given by Connally describing exactly how he was not hit by the shot that hit JFK in the throat .
Connally showed no signs at all of being a man that had just been shot by a bullet that exited JFK's throat and he said himself that it was a different shot that hit him .
The entire case made by the Warren Commission goes out the window without the single bullet theory and their credibility does as well . Link - ( New Window )
Those events were not really comparable.
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Almost 60 years ago. Meanwhile it's the same country that finds itself in its current predicament. Let's focus on that. This was going to be released anyways? But it's big news now all of a sudden? GTFOH.
What's going to get released, if anything, will be nothing of significance. It's all a dog and pony show right now
Did you even take a moment to take a look at the Zapruder film ?
Its very clear that Connally wasn't struck by the same bullet that hit JFK .
I can't care what a bunch of Warren Commission apologists say . Look at the Zapruder film and try to tell me that a man gets shot in the back . The bullet punctures his lung , breaks ribs , exits through his chest , enters and exits his wrist , then enters his thigh . And your telling me he doesn't even react to being shot . Sorry , but I believe what my own eyes tell me as well as the WORD OF THE MAN THAT WAS SHOT , saying that the same bullet that struck JFK didn't strike him over the word of Warren Commission apologists . On top of everything else , this bullet that supposedly did all that damage and supposedly came from Oswald's gun was later found on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital that wasn't even used for Connally in near pristine condition . On top of everything else , there were more fragments left in Connally's wrist alone than were missing from the "magic" bullet .
Did you even take a moment to take a look at the Zapruder film ?
Its very clear that Connally wasn't struck by the same bullet that hit JFK .
I can't care what a bunch of Warren Commission apologists say . Look at the Zapruder film and try to tell me that a man gets shot in the back . The bullet punctures his lung , breaks ribs , exits through his chest , enters and exits his wrist , then enters his thigh . And your telling me he doesn't even react to being shot . Sorry , but I believe what my own eyes tell me as well as the WORD OF THE MAN THAT WAS SHOT , saying that the same bullet that struck JFK didn't strike him over the word of Warren Commission apologists . On top of everything else , this bullet that supposedly did all that damage and supposedly came from Oswald's gun was later found on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital that wasn't even used for Connally in near pristine condition . On top of everything else , there were more fragments left in Connally's wrist alone than were missing from the "magic" bullet .
Zapruder 8mm film is grainy as all get out and I've seen it a few dozen times and aside from the blume from the kill shot not too much else is recognizable.. As I said in my post, I believe it was an Australian investigative team reenacted the whole thing. Moving car at the same speed, scaffold at exact 6th floor height, exact same lot of ammunition and a duplicate of the rifle. They used ballistic jelly with bone structure. Set an exact duplicate of JFK (height, weight, shape) in the same clothes; positioned him and the dummy for Connally in the same '62 Lincoln in exact posture as they were at the time of the shooting - as per the film.
The sniper fired the round and hit the dummy within 3/4 inch of were JFK was hit in the back. The bullet traveled nearly the exact same path, passed thru the same way and hit the Connally dummy in almost the exact same spot.
At 75 yards a rifle round will easily pass through a person and still carry lethal velocity.
And it was already proven that a competent rifleman could fire 3 accurate rounds in the required 8 seconds including two fired within the 1.7secs as did Oswald. It has been done on several occasions.
It's not conspiracy theory but very well documented facts on what the key players were doing
My takeaway was that as a big picture it showed from the key players involved that government was not acting as if they were under a foreign threat and at least acted very suspiciously to their own players like LBJ, meaning they thought it was at least possible
I saw the same documentary you are referring to and it doesn't prove anything . All they did was prove that the shots could line up under controlled circumstances , not that it actually happened that way .
I've provided a link to an interview with the Connally's in which they clearly describe how the shooting unfolded . It is very clear from their description of the events that day that John Connally was hit by a different bullet that the one that struck JFK in the throat . They were the ones in the limo when the shooting took place .
Their description completely disproves the single bullet theory . On top of their description , the photographic evidence backs up exactly what the Connally's said . You say you can't make out what you see in the Zapruder film .
Is it that you can't see it or don't want to see it ? As I've said above , its very clear to anyone that looks at the film with an open mind will see that as the limo emerges from behind the Stemmons Freeway sign , JFK has already been hit in the throat . Connally clearly and casually looks back over his shoulder to see what the commotion is all about , sees nothing. It is clear that he has not been shot at this time . Then he turns back to look over his other shoulder when he is then struck in the back by a bullet . The whole time before he is struck , Connally is holding onto his hat with the wrist that has supposedly already been shattered by a bullet , yet he shows no reaction at all to being shot ! On top of the photographic evidence shown on the Zapruder film , the Connally's themselves described the shooting as happening EXACTLY this way .
Just because there was a documentary made showing that the two men COULD have been shot by the same bullet does not mean that it happened that way . I'll believe what my own eyes tell me and take the word of the shooting victims themselves that were actually in the limo that day .
Link - ( New Window )
This time the interview is accompanied by the Zapruder film with a blow by blow account given by Connally describing exactly how he was not hit by the shot that hit JFK in the throat .
Connally showed no signs at all of being a man that had just been shot by a bullet that exited JFK's throat and he said himself that it was a different shot that hit him .
The entire case made by the Warren Commission goes out the window without the single bullet theory and their credibility does as well .
Link - ( New Window )