Are Reese and McAdoo on the same page?

not personal.

First, all NFL games are close. This is a league full of parity. This team has enough talent to win & there are many shaky at best OL’s throughout the NFL.

@Philly- 2 FG’s were passed on which could have made a huge impact. It is still unbelievable to be that McAdoo did not elect points at 0-7 right before the half. Needed points there. I’d argue Shepherd caught aTD regardless.

@TB- another FG was passed on here, although more difficult. The 2 point conversion still looked good to me.

Bottom line, you are what your record is. But, this team could easily be 3-3. Coaching has been below average this year.

Most notably Oline and RB. That said I don't see indications the coach and GM are on deferent pages. Bobby Hart should have been forced to compete for his starting spot, but he's also a Reese draft pick. Perkins should not have been declared starter as soon as he was and there should have been a competition with Darkwa, but again, Perkins was a Reese draft pick.

Engram is a player who could easily be a poor fit for some systems, however there is nothing I see in the selection contrary to what McAdoo runs. Similarly Davis Webb would seem to be suited to run McAdoos system, so that's not screaming poor fit to me either.

whether it's all learning curve or what, he has had his issues.

Reese stinks. Fans have overestimated the talent on this team since 2011. If Reese hadn't been handed a blank check to outspend every other bidder for the top free agents two years ago, this team would be bottom third of the league. Hell, their record is bottom third of the league even with his spend. The color of his page should be pink.

We are going to see. If that's the case, between the injuries and schedule and 0-5 start, we should be a lock for a top 3 pick.

Let's see.

In comment 13659154 Sean said:

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First, all NFL games are close. This is a league full of parity. This team has enough talent to win & there are many shaky at best OL’s throughout the NFL. @Philly- 2 FG’s were passed on which could have made a huge impact. It is still unbelievable to be that McAdoo did not elect points at 0-7 right before the half. Needed points there. I’d argue Shepherd caught aTD regardless. All points absolutely true. Coaching is a major part of why this team in not 3 and 3 and now are out of playoff contention. What a wasted season. @TB- another FG was passed on here, although more difficult. The 2 point conversion still looked good to me. Bottom line, you are what your record is. But, this team could easily be 3-3. Coaching has been below average this year.

in over his head and Reese just isn't very good.

In comment 13659187 Giants86 said:

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in over his head and Reese just isn't very good.

The head coaching role can be overwhelming when someone first takes on that position. Many very good coaches had mediocre or poor starts (e.g. Belichick).
I think McAdoo will eventually be a good coach. The question is whether he can work out the "early years" bugaboos with the NYG or will he require a change of scenery.

lights out in Denver, but you could see a little more rythym to it non-the-less. I think McAdoo had a system that he was trying to force players into, rather then trying to play to their strengths and putting them in a position to be successful. There was certainly times where they were successful, but he never seemed like he would adjust to what the defense was giving him. Maybe, Sullivan won’t try to force the round peg in the square hole?!

how anyone could watch the giants not score more than about 10 points on offense the second half of last season, then see them go 0-5 through the first third of the season this year and think that mcadoo has much of a clue. reese has botched OL, LB, and RB, to be sure, but mcadoo has hamstrung this team far more than reese's personnel whiffs IMO.

And David Deihl, I get the impression that MacAddo expects players to adjust to his system, rather than adjusting the system to put his players in the best situation to win.

There were three possibilities:

- The coaching stunk
- The personnel acquisition stunk
- Both the coaching and personnel acquisition stunk

So what did they do? They fired Coughlin, but left half his coaches in place. Thus, not making a distinct change on the coaching side to let you evaluate the personnel side effectively.

At this point, better to avoid half measures and just flush the entire operation. They're clearly not on the same page, but it's hard to tell how much of a factor that is.

In comment 13659159 UberAlias said:

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Most notably Oline and RB. That said I don't see indications the coach and GM are on deferent pages. Bobby Hart should have been forced to compete for his starting spot, but he's also a Reese draft pick. Perkins should not have been declared starter as soon as he was and there should have been a competition with Darkwa, but again, Perkins was a Reese draft pick. Engram is a player who could easily be a poor fit for some systems, however there is nothing I see in the selection contrary to what McAdoo runs. Similarly Davis Webb would seem to be suited to run McAdoos system, so that's not screaming poor fit to me either.

i think this is the bigger issue. The Giants are rewarding tenure and incumbents rather than playing the best players. The OL should have been shaken up earlier, and Perkins should not be the starter. nobody should be handed a starting assignment.

his rise was meteoric for no apparent reason. But, he gets the benefit of the doubt that maybe after getting thrown in the deep end of the pool, he will turn out a good swimmer.

Reese on the other hand, is like a guy who can't swim dragging everyone under in an attempt to save himself. He will bedevil another coach with his bargain bin finds, reaches, projects, tweeners and serial drafting of positions because he refuses to re-sign guys already here. Sayanora already

A lot of mistakes too and he didn’t want anybody taking over the defensive calls next season he delegated it to Belichick and they went to the playoffs the rest is history ......if Macadoo stays he has to be more open minded ,but I suspect that at the end of the year they do their evaluations this is where I believe the problems start they’re so worried about Eli’s window that when asked if they like the players that they have they do so more out of not wanting change and instead say no Jerry just draft best player available we are happy with Jerry and Flowers and another year under their belt we should be fine !!!!blah blah blah

In comment 13659235 HomerJones45 said:

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his rise was meteoric for no apparent reason. But, he gets the benefit of the doubt that maybe after getting thrown in the deep end of the pool, he will turn out a good swimmer. Reese on the other hand, is like a guy who can't swim dragging everyone under in an attempt to save himself. He will bedevil another coach with his bargain bin finds, reaches, projects, tweeners and serial drafting of positions because he refuses to re-sign guys already here. Sayanora already

+1

What I said about Reese and Coughlin...and the smashmouth Giants football TC wanted.
Hmmmmm?

In comment 13659272 Reb8thVA said:

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In comment 13659235 HomerJones45 said: Quote: his rise was meteoric for no apparent reason. But, he gets the benefit of the doubt that maybe after getting thrown in the deep end of the pool, he will turn out a good swimmer. Reese on the other hand, is like a guy who can't swim dragging everyone under in an attempt to save himself. He will bedevil another coach with his bargain bin finds, reaches, projects, tweeners and serial drafting of positions because he refuses to re-sign guys already here. Sayanora already +1

++1

Try different book.

McAddo is no doubt over his head
HomerJones45 : 10:46 am : link : reply
his rise was meteoric for no apparent reason. But, he gets the benefit of the doubt that maybe after getting thrown in the deep end of the pool, he will turn out a good swimmer.

Reese on the other hand, is like a guy who can't swim dragging everyone under in an attempt to save himself. He will bedevil another coach with his bargain bin finds, reaches, projects, tweeners and serial drafting of positions because he refuses to re-sign guys already here. Sayanora already

How many are you pumped up for this game ? It's the hated
SeaHags . Sadly I want a shot at Saquan Barkley not sure If thats spelled right . I have seen enough of Reese and
I never bought into Mac and I hate the offense that being
forced onto this team .

and has been for years, but is untouchable in this PC climate. ELI and the fans are are paying the price for this BS. CLEAN HOUSE.

In comment 13659409 TMS said:

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and has been for years, but is untouchable in this PC climate. ELI and the fans are are paying the price for this BS. CLEAN HOUSE.

Such a stupid racist ass post.

The Giants were overly loyal to GMs well before they hired a black man.

Unemployment line together.

Injuries aside after 3 quarters if all you can muster is about 60 yards you don’t deserve a job.

Ellison is a perfect example. Spent legit. So space dollars and until injuries decimated WR McAddo was still running 3 WR’s over 90% of he time. Why are him. You can get blocking TE for a lot cheaper than that.

Keeping Smith and 4 TEs on the final roste. Especially w Engram who ken almost a WR. Same question why keep people on the roster you will not use? So no they aren’t but they both suck.

In comment 13659187 Giants86 said:

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in over his head and Reese just isn't very good.

Exactly though I think Ben is definitely in over his head. No question about that in my mind.

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He cannot pawn this roster and Drafting Mistakes on anybody else.

How about if they're standing in the same line at the unemployment office tomorrow!
The owners will have to fire their management staff in order to change what we're seeing.
This is the worst Giants team in decades!