You could put any Qab in the league in this offense and the results would be the same or worse. It’s not Eli. It’s the GM for his trash drafts and the staff with their trash scheme.
The “fans” here are miserable. Eli gets killed for missing a blanketed receiver by a step but it’s ok if Wilson overthrows a wide open WR by 10 yards.
Do you throw big FA money at him, or let him walk?
Or, will he settle for something less because he's not the healthiest lineman in the NFL?
Pugh will get good money from someone. I hate to say it but the offensive line is in such disarray that it may be us. You can't replace all 5 guys next year can you?
Minnesota did, and has looked good in doing so this year.
Problem is our cap space. We can’t possibly afford 5 new linemen. Minnesota must of been well under the cap. They’re not paying that Franchise QB 150 Mil yet
I went out to take a hike in the local forest near where I live. I checked in a couple of times on my mobile phone to see the score.
It looks like they crapped the bed again in the second half.
At least they won't lose next week.
Maybe the owners will get smart and start firing Reese, and the coaching staff during the bye....but I doubt it, they have no balls!
I went out to take a hike in the local forest near where I live. I checked in a couple of times on my mobile phone to see the score.
It looks like they crapped the bed again in the second half.
At least they won't lose next week.
Maybe the owners will get smart and start firing Reese, and the coaching staff during the bye....but I doubt it, they have no balls!
game. The horse left the barn long ago on this team. When the 61 yard field goal was good, the Giants were a dead team walking. The San Diego game and the WR corps injuries put them squarely in drafting in the top 5 category. The Denver game will likely end up being the season highlight, unless they can figure out a way to maybe beat Dallas or Philly later in the year and somehow screw up their season in some way.
This is a 3-13 team as constructed right now. They are a team that couldn't run and was built on a passing offense that relied on it's WRs to beat a single high safety on a slant and run for a TD and hope the defense held up. That was it, that was the 2016 formula and McAdoo did nothing beyond that to prepare for 2017, other than bring in some other big names but ignored the OL and defense. Now you have a team with literally no WRs thanks to the Chargers game and we are surprised that they can't move the ball against Seattle? If any coaching staff should be fired it should be Denver's for allowing that travesty to happen on their home field in a Nationally Televised game.
Keep watching, hope for some improvement from young players to help them in 2018, but this team isn't winning a damn thing, so don't bother getting upset at a loss. You might as well be upset that tomorrow is Monday. It's happening whether you like it or not.
I'm a long time Eli supporter and I don't want to make too much of a lost game in a lost season, but he was putrid today and for the first time ever, I said to myself, "Giants need a new QB."
Why is it so hard for some of you to let go of Eli? Â
There is no shame in admitting he is not the same player he used to be. He is old and needs everything to be perfect to complete passes at this point. I flew to Charlotte for work today and didn't turn the game on until it was 10-7 in the 3rd quarter. Eli was at that point 9-19 for 40 yards. 40 yards!??
I don't care who is blocking or catching passes, as of today he is one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL, and by far the most overpaid. Maybe if he wasn't making 20 million a year, he would have a better offensive line in front of him.
This team needs to completely reboot. They have a ton of great pieces moving forward. Beckham, Snacks, Collins, Engram, Shepard, Jenkins, Vernon. This team is not the Browns. They can rebuild quickly, but they need to dump the front office and coaching staff as well as the bloated contracts. That starts with Eli, followed closely by DRC and Marshall.
Hart is not only a bad football player, but he had the most important penalty of the game at the most important time of the game. So am I blaming the entire loss on Hart? No. But I'm blaming that entire drive on him, I am. And that was the end of the game, after that.
RE: Some of you guys should just pick another team to root for Â
You want to blame Eli when he’s playing with these guys at WR and on the OL and these for shit RBs? And when he’s got McAdoo running the team?
How anyone comes away from this blaming Eli for the loss is beyond me. Go root for the fucking Jets.
or the people who defend eli to no end and prefer Eli to the Giants should root for a new team...Please stop...People who root for the team only are not married to defend the qb...the eli defenders never defend anyone else
It is what it is. I hope they can move him before the trading deadline for picks. The Eli era has been spectacular and an amazing time (2 rings) but it's over.
It is what it is. I hope they can move him before the trading deadline for picks. The Eli era has been spectacular and an amazing time (2 rings) but it's over.
My sentiments exactly. Eli is like Henrik Lundquist. It's been a great ride. But it is time to move on.
Are taking the easy way out, face it you have no idea how many times a receiver ran the wrong way or no one was open or maybe even the Seattle defense was baiting him into a throw because they knew what the receiver was running! You win or lose as a team and this is a bad team right now!
game. The horse left the barn long ago on this team. When the 61 yard field goal was good, the Giants were a dead team walking. The San Diego game and the WR corps injuries put them squarely in drafting in the top 5 category. The Denver game will likely end up being the season highlight, unless they can figure out a way to maybe beat Dallas or Philly later in the year and somehow screw up their season in some way.
This is a 3-13 team as constructed right now. They are a team that couldn't run and was built on a passing offense that relied on it's WRs to beat a single high safety on a slant and run for a TD and hope the defense held up. That was it, that was the 2016 formula and McAdoo did nothing beyond that to prepare for 2017, other than bring in some other big names but ignored the OL and defense. Now you have a team with literally no WRs thanks to the Chargers game and we are surprised that they can't move the ball against Seattle? If any coaching staff should be fired it should be Denver's for allowing that travesty to happen on their home field in a Nationally Televised game.
Keep watching, hope for some improvement from young players to help them in 2018, but this team isn't winning a damn thing, so don't bother getting upset at a loss. You might as well be upset that tomorrow is Monday. It's happening whether you like it or not.
Eli has been the best QB in the history of the Giants
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Who cares where he ranks in the history of the team? He is not that player anymore. We should be concerned with winning future super bowls, not nostalgia. He is a 20 million dollar Dave Brown/Brock Osweiler today. We can get the same shitty production at 1/7th the cost. Webb should get a chance to show what he can do and if he sucks, we still have a top 5 draft pick coming.
Eli has been the best QB in the history of the Giants
u
Who cares where he ranks in the history of the team? He is not that player anymore. We should be concerned with winning future super bowls, not nostalgia. He is a 20 million dollar Dave Brown/Brock Osweiler today. We can get the same shitty production at 1/7th the cost. Webb should get a chance to show what he can do and if he sucks, we still have a top 5 draft pick coming.
Eli was a true professional today. He played to win and didn't force anything.
This offense has zero talent what did you expect him to do?
Eli has been the best QB in the history of the Giants
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Who cares where he ranks in the history of the team? He is not that player anymore. We should be concerned with winning future super bowls, not nostalgia. He is a 20 million dollar Dave Brown/Brock Osweiler today. We can get the same shitty production at 1/7th the cost. Webb should get a chance to show what he can do and if he sucks, we still have a top 5 draft pick coming.
Eli was a true professional today. He played to win and didn't force anything.
This offense has zero talent what did you expect him to do?
I expect him to play like a top 10 QB and elevate the team around him, like he used to. He might still have value to a team like Jax or the Vikings, but not this team.
first they were certain getting rid of the OC would do the trick, then they were absolutely sure getting rid of the Ancient One and elevating the new kid and his whiz bang short passing offense and getting rid of "balance" would be the road to success, and now it's Eli and for sure that will cure everything.
Good luck, you guys are bound to be right one of these days.
first they were certain getting rid of the OC would do the trick, then they were absolutely sure getting rid of the Ancient One and elevating the new kid and his whiz bang short passing offense and getting rid of "balance" would be the road to success, and now it's Eli and for sure that will cure everything.
Good luck, you guys are bound to be right one of these days.
Come on Homer a QB who can run is the answer don't you know. Forget the fact our top 4 WR's are out of the game, blow off the fact we have the worse O-Line in football, Overlook the aspect that we played a very good D and have zero running game.
The idiotic Madden mindset is in full effect on here
first they were certain getting rid of the OC would do the trick, then they were absolutely sure getting rid of the Ancient One and elevating the new kid and his whiz bang short passing offense and getting rid of "balance" would be the road to success, and now it's Eli and for sure that will cure everything.
Good luck, you guys are bound to be right one of these days.
To be fair, it's not just BBI (and the Giants offense did fine with McAdoo as OC and just OC). Most Giants fans today feel this way and it's going to make it really easy for the franchise to shift all the necessary blame onto him as this season winds down and sell how drafting Allen or Darnold is going to resurrect the franchise.
... all while Reese, Chris Mara, Ross, and likely even McAdoo attempt to skate into another year.
I hate to say it but he’s done. The organization ruined him. It’s time to prepare for drafting our next QB.
The problem with this is there's no reason right now to really think any QB drafted isn't going to be ruined, if this crack front office even manages to select the right one.
Eli's time is done here, he needs to not be on this team next year and they should even be strongly considering starting Webb this season for a few games at least, but the future isn't likely going to be any brighter without him as is... and "as is", no matter how some wish it, still seems likely to be mostly "as is" for next season too.
is multi-faceted.
His decline due to age has not only been years in the making, but also years in the making due to having several years of his career being behind an OL that is historically been OK at best and like 2012 downright terrible.
Meanwhile his personality is to put every O play on his back, leading to some poor decisions and pick 6s.
His accuracy was always good to OK and without a laserrocket arm to make his passes either his receivers got but not the defender.
He is now without his starter receivers and with a bad OL that has him feel pressure even moreso...real or not.
He's 36 and has now more David Carr in him than Eli Manning.
He makes 20M and likely has NO trade value based on all the negative history.
All that with a contract thru 2019...That contract makes a cut painful capwise in 2018.
Money this offseason for FA OLs if any likely come from painful cuts or working Eli s contract out to hurt even after his possible departure in '19 , or 2020.
Of course going OL crazy this draft even if possible gives him maybe 2 rookie OL may only be replacements for 2 current starters and all the pain that may come with a rookie OL, especially when the QB has Carritis.
Ownership and FO has some real problems to deal with this offseason because they postponed the inevitable with poor player choices, inactions, and patchwork solutions
that weren't.
By the time the OL and QB situation even LOOKS much better than today, most key players on O and D will be gone as FAs: the list of OBJ, Collins, the big 3 D FAs of 2 years ago, likely Shepard, possibly Engram.
This thing will be ugly for a while, at best, even with a new GM/HC and staffs.
My signature closing line:
Thank you JR.
Hart is not only a bad football player, but he had the most important penalty of the game at the most important time of the game. So am I blaming the entire loss on Hart? No. But I'm blaming that entire drive on him, I am. And that was the end of the game, after that.
Still wrong headed. It was still 3rd and 11 and of course they can't get a completed pass. For you like the other sheepeople here, Hart is the scapegoat for one bad play. Meanwhile, Eli misses open guys, DRC and Collins blow coverages on a few plays and Spags calls the worst defensive play of the game and you blame Hart, who handled Bennett quite well. Rosas missed a field goal, in case you missed it.
Hart is not a starter at tackle and has proven that. But he did not loose the game.
remaining . He's not going anywhere, given the contract. Look the Jets are getting similar play from McNown, who is of similar age at about 15 % of the dough. But, right now, he's pretty much helpless back there. His wide receivers can't handle their part . Nothing he can do . He did misfire a few times , but some of those passes were against their 3-deep , when the receiver didn't sit down in the hole in the zone , properly . If Eli would have thrown the ball to where the receiver was headed, there would have been about 4 picks instead of zero.
The Giants stayed in the game through most of three. It unraveled when the kicker missed from makeable range .
To imagine anyone in this franchise or this fan site wants Eli Â
He is done and the signs were there last season...
You're comical. I walked the point on Eli's diminished skills last season. Were you in the ass-wipe brigade who tidyed up for him?
I just gave you the reality of the matter. There will be no trade market for the guy. Marrone has even Bortles playing reasonably well. And if you think Mara is going to pay someone 40 million to sit the bench or send him home. I'm afraid you slacked off on your history of the NYG.
Only pattern interrupt : Eli retires . Other than that he's their '18 QB and to blame him right now for the sorry state of affairs is...comical .
He is still a quality QB who can win with the right pieces around him. He can carry a weak team to victory still but most likely cannot carry a weak team to enough victories to get into the playoffs. (before you point to last year, the defense carried us).
To say we need to dump Eli now is absolutely foolish. Not only do we have nobody as good as Eli on this roster but there is no free agent out there better than Eli.
We have a QB that needs more protection than most and an OL that is suited for a QB who can create with his legs. Total mismatch and that is not Eli's fault.
We are keeping Eli through the end of his contract. We need to draft a new QB this spring and have Eli teach him while playing under a restructured contract.
Don't be too quick to just buy Eli a plane ticket out of here. For all we know, he could be a great QB coach. He does have a great football mind even if the body does not do what his mind is asking him to do all of the time.
Easy does it. I am not blaming Eli as the problem. Only Â
That was it, that was the 2016 formula and McAdoo did nothing beyond that to prepare for 2017, other than bring in some other big names but ignored the OL and defense. Now you have a team with literally no WRs thanks to the Chargers game and we are surprised that they can't move the ball against Seattle? If any coaching staff should be fired it should be Denver's for allowing that travesty to happen on their home field in a Nationally Televised game.
He is still a quality QB who can win with the right pieces around him. He can carry a weak team to victory still but most likely cannot carry a weak team to enough victories to get into the playoffs. (before you point to last year, the defense carried us).
To say we need to dump Eli now is absolutely foolish. Not only do we have nobody as good as Eli on this roster but there is no free agent out there better than Eli.
We have a QB that needs more protection than most and an OL that is suited for a QB who can create with his legs. Total mismatch and that is not Eli's fault.
We are keeping Eli through the end of his contract. We need to draft a new QB this spring and have Eli teach him while playing under a restructured contract.
Don't be too quick to just buy Eli a plane ticket out of here. For all we know, he could be a great QB coach. He does have a great football mind even if the body does not do what his mind is asking him to do all of the time.
Shockingly astute assessment of the situation. I'm surprised.
He is still a quality QB who can win with the right pieces around him. He can carry a weak team to victory still but most likely cannot carry a weak team to enough victories to get into the playoffs. (before you point to last year, the defense carried us).
To say we need to dump Eli now is absolutely foolish. Not only do we have nobody as good as Eli on this roster but there is no free agent out there better than Eli.
We have a QB that needs more protection than most and an OL that is suited for a QB who can create with his legs. Total mismatch and that is not Eli's fault.
We are keeping Eli through the end of his contract. We need to draft a new QB this spring and have Eli teach him while playing under a restructured contract.
Don't be too quick to just buy Eli a plane ticket out of here. For all we know, he could be a great QB coach. He does have a great football mind even if the body does not do what his mind is asking him to do all of the time.
He's 36 years-old and clearly in the decline phase of his career. How soon do you think they're going to get "the right pieces" around him... when he's 38? I look at Eli the same way I look at Big Ben. Now Big Ben has a good o-line, a GREAT RB, and a GREAT WR, and can still win a big game, but if you handed him the ball and said throw it 40 times, he's going to make mistakes, take sacks, and get hurt. (Eli doesn't have the last 2 issues, but fumbles quite a bit.) Big Ben has to be managed and I feel the same way about Eli. He can't make plays with his feet, which a QB has to do in this day and age (lone exception: Brady) and he's simply not as accurate as he used to be. To be completely blunt, he's put receivers in harm's way with errant throws. He's missed quite a few deep passes this season.
Literally not one single person has blamed Eli Manning for all of the Giants problems or even said he's at the top of the list. However, I think too many people have their head in the sand when it comes to making an accurate assessment of where Eli is at this point of his career. It simply doesn't align with where the Giants are as a franchise.
it's his complete lack of mobility and inability to slide around to avoid pressure. In 2011 he was Brady like in this regard. In 2017 he's Bledsoe like
I think he's at a point in his career where he's not going to be Â
consistent week after week. He was great in Philly. He certainly played well enough to win in Tampa. He didn't play well against San Diego and that was BEFORE the receivers got hurt. He can't even use the excuse of the running game against the Chargers.
How soon do you realistically think we can get all these pieces around him, namely a few new o-linemen and a RB? I've read people talk about Minnesota, but their highest paid player left in free agency... that's not happening with the Giants.
I think Eli is moving around pretty well out there Â
I know it's fun to speculate about trade scenarios, physical declines, cutting him, etc...
But barring catastrophic injury (which could happen this year, thanks Reese), he will be the starting QB on opening day next year.
That doesn't mean that we won't draft a Quarterback with our Top 5 pick, it just means that Manning will be here to groom the next QB, whether that's Webb or whomever we draft.
This is Manning's team until his contract is up. That reality needs to be accepted.
He had some bad throws yesterday. He’s not getting a ton of help. No run game yesterday and shaky receiving corps. But when you make almost 20 million I don’t want to hear excuses.
However he botched several throws yesterday that were clearly on him. Nobody can deny that.
He’s here one more year but I don’t see him here in 2019.
I agree with Britt that Eli will play out contract Â
But a qb is needed so he can watch Eli for a year and than take over.
This team needs a complete re-haul and you do not do that with an old qb making 20 million a year.
Thank You Eli for the memories and being a great Giant..
But we will only get out from under this mess when the whole team is turned over except a couple of young guys.
We can cry that wait till Eli is gone and see how bad it gets. One you guys do not know that but it has been bad for most of a decade under Eli and TC and MacAdoo. So is not like we are going to miss year in and year out of playoffs
The “fans” here are miserable. Eli gets killed for missing a blanketed receiver by a step but it’s ok if Wilson overthrows a wide open WR by 10 yards.
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Do you throw big FA money at him, or let him walk?
Or, will he settle for something less because he's not the healthiest lineman in the NFL?
Pugh will get good money from someone. I hate to say it but the offensive line is in such disarray that it may be us. You can't replace all 5 guys next year can you?
Minnesota did, and has looked good in doing so this year.
Problem is our cap space. We can’t possibly afford 5 new linemen. Minnesota must of been well under the cap. They’re not paying that Franchise QB 150 Mil yet
It looks like they crapped the bed again in the second half.
At least they won't lose next week.
Maybe the owners will get smart and start firing Reese, and the coaching staff during the bye....but I doubt it, they have no balls!
It looks like they crapped the bed again in the second half.
At least they won't lose next week.
Maybe the owners will get smart and start firing Reese, and the coaching staff during the bye....but I doubt it, they have no balls!
Reese, Ross, AND MARA. All 3 need to go.
This is a 3-13 team as constructed right now. They are a team that couldn't run and was built on a passing offense that relied on it's WRs to beat a single high safety on a slant and run for a TD and hope the defense held up. That was it, that was the 2016 formula and McAdoo did nothing beyond that to prepare for 2017, other than bring in some other big names but ignored the OL and defense. Now you have a team with literally no WRs thanks to the Chargers game and we are surprised that they can't move the ball against Seattle? If any coaching staff should be fired it should be Denver's for allowing that travesty to happen on their home field in a Nationally Televised game.
Keep watching, hope for some improvement from young players to help them in 2018, but this team isn't winning a damn thing, so don't bother getting upset at a loss. You might as well be upset that tomorrow is Monday. It's happening whether you like it or not.
I'm a long time Eli supporter and I don't want to make too much of a lost game in a lost season, but he was putrid today and for the first time ever, I said to myself, "Giants need a new QB."
I don't care who is blocking or catching passes, as of today he is one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL, and by far the most overpaid. Maybe if he wasn't making 20 million a year, he would have a better offensive line in front of him.
This team needs to completely reboot. They have a ton of great pieces moving forward. Beckham, Snacks, Collins, Engram, Shepard, Jenkins, Vernon. This team is not the Browns. They can rebuild quickly, but they need to dump the front office and coaching staff as well as the bloated contracts. That starts with Eli, followed closely by DRC and Marshall.
How anyone comes away from this blaming Eli for the loss is beyond me. Go root for the fucking Jets.
or the people who defend eli to no end and prefer Eli to the Giants should root for a new team...Please stop...People who root for the team only are not married to defend the qb...the eli defenders never defend anyone else
My sentiments exactly. Eli is like Henrik Lundquist. It's been a great ride. But it is time to move on.
Eli has been the best QB in the history of the Giants
This is a 3-13 team as constructed right now. They are a team that couldn't run and was built on a passing offense that relied on it's WRs to beat a single high safety on a slant and run for a TD and hope the defense held up. That was it, that was the 2016 formula and McAdoo did nothing beyond that to prepare for 2017, other than bring in some other big names but ignored the OL and defense. Now you have a team with literally no WRs thanks to the Chargers game and we are surprised that they can't move the ball against Seattle? If any coaching staff should be fired it should be Denver's for allowing that travesty to happen on their home field in a Nationally Televised game.
Keep watching, hope for some improvement from young players to help them in 2018, but this team isn't winning a damn thing, so don't bother getting upset at a loss. You might as well be upset that tomorrow is Monday. It's happening whether you like it or not.
Well played, sir! Absolutely true!
Eli has been the best QB in the history of the Giants
Who cares where he ranks in the history of the team? He is not that player anymore. We should be concerned with winning future super bowls, not nostalgia. He is a 20 million dollar Dave Brown/Brock Osweiler today. We can get the same shitty production at 1/7th the cost. Webb should get a chance to show what he can do and if he sucks, we still have a top 5 draft pick coming.
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guarantee Webb will be any better.
Eli has been the best QB in the history of the Giants
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Who cares where he ranks in the history of the team? He is not that player anymore. We should be concerned with winning future super bowls, not nostalgia. He is a 20 million dollar Dave Brown/Brock Osweiler today. We can get the same shitty production at 1/7th the cost. Webb should get a chance to show what he can do and if he sucks, we still have a top 5 draft pick coming.
Eli was a true professional today. He played to win and didn't force anything.
This offense has zero talent what did you expect him to do?
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guarantee Webb will be any better.
Eli has been the best QB in the history of the Giants
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Who cares where he ranks in the history of the team? He is not that player anymore. We should be concerned with winning future super bowls, not nostalgia. He is a 20 million dollar Dave Brown/Brock Osweiler today. We can get the same shitty production at 1/7th the cost. Webb should get a chance to show what he can do and if he sucks, we still have a top 5 draft pick coming.
Eli was a true professional today. He played to win and didn't force anything.
This offense has zero talent what did you expect him to do?
I expect him to play like a top 10 QB and elevate the team around him, like he used to. He might still have value to a team like Jax or the Vikings, but not this team.
Good luck, you guys are bound to be right one of these days.
Good luck, you guys are bound to be right one of these days.
Come on Homer a QB who can run is the answer don't you know. Forget the fact our top 4 WR's are out of the game, blow off the fact we have the worse O-Line in football, Overlook the aspect that we played a very good D and have zero running game.
The idiotic Madden mindset is in full effect on here
Good luck, you guys are bound to be right one of these days.
To be fair, it's not just BBI (and the Giants offense did fine with McAdoo as OC and just OC). Most Giants fans today feel this way and it's going to make it really easy for the franchise to shift all the necessary blame onto him as this season winds down and sell how drafting Allen or Darnold is going to resurrect the franchise.
... all while Reese, Chris Mara, Ross, and likely even McAdoo attempt to skate into another year.
The problem with this is there's no reason right now to really think any QB drafted isn't going to be ruined, if this crack front office even manages to select the right one.
Eli's time is done here, he needs to not be on this team next year and they should even be strongly considering starting Webb this season for a few games at least, but the future isn't likely going to be any brighter without him as is... and "as is", no matter how some wish it, still seems likely to be mostly "as is" for next season too.
His decline due to age has not only been years in the making, but also years in the making due to having several years of his career being behind an OL that is historically been OK at best and like 2012 downright terrible.
Meanwhile his personality is to put every O play on his back, leading to some poor decisions and pick 6s.
His accuracy was always good to OK and without a laserrocket arm to make his passes either his receivers got but not the defender.
He is now without his starter receivers and with a bad OL that has him feel pressure even moreso...real or not.
He's 36 and has now more David Carr in him than Eli Manning.
He makes 20M and likely has NO trade value based on all the negative history.
All that with a contract thru 2019...That contract makes a cut painful capwise in 2018.
Money this offseason for FA OLs if any likely come from painful cuts or working Eli s contract out to hurt even after his possible departure in '19 , or 2020.
Of course going OL crazy this draft even if possible gives him maybe 2 rookie OL may only be replacements for 2 current starters and all the pain that may come with a rookie OL, especially when the QB has Carritis.
Ownership and FO has some real problems to deal with this offseason because they postponed the inevitable with poor player choices, inactions, and patchwork solutions
that weren't.
By the time the OL and QB situation even LOOKS much better than today, most key players on O and D will be gone as FAs: the list of OBJ, Collins, the big 3 D FAs of 2 years ago, likely Shepard, possibly Engram.
This thing will be ugly for a while, at best, even with a new GM/HC and staffs.
My signature closing line:
Thank you JR.
Still wrong headed. It was still 3rd and 11 and of course they can't get a completed pass. For you like the other sheepeople here, Hart is the scapegoat for one bad play. Meanwhile, Eli misses open guys, DRC and Collins blow coverages on a few plays and Spags calls the worst defensive play of the game and you blame Hart, who handled Bennett quite well. Rosas missed a field goal, in case you missed it.
Hart is not a starter at tackle and has proven that. But he did not loose the game.
The Giants stayed in the game through most of three. It unraveled when the kicker missed from makeable range .
He is done and the signs were there last season...
He is done and the signs were there last season...
You're comical. I walked the point on Eli's diminished skills last season. Were you in the ass-wipe brigade who tidyed up for him?
I just gave you the reality of the matter. There will be no trade market for the guy. Marrone has even Bortles playing reasonably well. And if you think Mara is going to pay someone 40 million to sit the bench or send him home. I'm afraid you slacked off on your history of the NYG.
Only pattern interrupt : Eli retires . Other than that he's their '18 QB and to blame him right now for the sorry state of affairs is...comical .
To say we need to dump Eli now is absolutely foolish. Not only do we have nobody as good as Eli on this roster but there is no free agent out there better than Eli.
We have a QB that needs more protection than most and an OL that is suited for a QB who can create with his legs. Total mismatch and that is not Eli's fault.
We are keeping Eli through the end of his contract. We need to draft a new QB this spring and have Eli teach him while playing under a restructured contract.
Don't be too quick to just buy Eli a plane ticket out of here. For all we know, he could be a great QB coach. He does have a great football mind even if the body does not do what his mind is asking him to do all of the time.
His time is over...
and u need a valium
His time is over...
and u need a valium
That was it, that was the 2016 formula and McAdoo did nothing beyond that to prepare for 2017, other than bring in some other big names but ignored the OL and defense. Now you have a team with literally no WRs thanks to the Chargers game and we are surprised that they can't move the ball against Seattle? If any coaching staff should be fired it should be Denver's for allowing that travesty to happen on their home field in a Nationally Televised game.
Since when does the head coach sign players?
To say we need to dump Eli now is absolutely foolish. Not only do we have nobody as good as Eli on this roster but there is no free agent out there better than Eli.
We have a QB that needs more protection than most and an OL that is suited for a QB who can create with his legs. Total mismatch and that is not Eli's fault.
We are keeping Eli through the end of his contract. We need to draft a new QB this spring and have Eli teach him while playing under a restructured contract.
Don't be too quick to just buy Eli a plane ticket out of here. For all we know, he could be a great QB coach. He does have a great football mind even if the body does not do what his mind is asking him to do all of the time.
Shockingly astute assessment of the situation. I'm surprised.
To say we need to dump Eli now is absolutely foolish. Not only do we have nobody as good as Eli on this roster but there is no free agent out there better than Eli.
We have a QB that needs more protection than most and an OL that is suited for a QB who can create with his legs. Total mismatch and that is not Eli's fault.
We are keeping Eli through the end of his contract. We need to draft a new QB this spring and have Eli teach him while playing under a restructured contract.
Don't be too quick to just buy Eli a plane ticket out of here. For all we know, he could be a great QB coach. He does have a great football mind even if the body does not do what his mind is asking him to do all of the time.
He's 36 years-old and clearly in the decline phase of his career. How soon do you think they're going to get "the right pieces" around him... when he's 38? I look at Eli the same way I look at Big Ben. Now Big Ben has a good o-line, a GREAT RB, and a GREAT WR, and can still win a big game, but if you handed him the ball and said throw it 40 times, he's going to make mistakes, take sacks, and get hurt. (Eli doesn't have the last 2 issues, but fumbles quite a bit.) Big Ben has to be managed and I feel the same way about Eli. He can't make plays with his feet, which a QB has to do in this day and age (lone exception: Brady) and he's simply not as accurate as he used to be. To be completely blunt, he's put receivers in harm's way with errant throws. He's missed quite a few deep passes this season.
Literally not one single person has blamed Eli Manning for all of the Giants problems or even said he's at the top of the list. However, I think too many people have their head in the sand when it comes to making an accurate assessment of where Eli is at this point of his career. It simply doesn't align with where the Giants are as a franchise.
What do you see physically from Eli that indicates to you that he is clearly in decline? Is he skipping throws to receivers? Losing arm strength?
Not seeing it.
You want to say he still throws it hard enough to be a winning/serviceable QB? Sure, but to say he hasn't lost arm strength is a major stretch.
I still see him fit the ball in tight spots and throw a fairly accurate deep ball.
It's not like he's Peyton with the Broncos out there.
How soon do you realistically think we can get all these pieces around him, namely a few new o-linemen and a RB? I've read people talk about Minnesota, but their highest paid player left in free agency... that's not happening with the Giants.
But barring catastrophic injury (which could happen this year, thanks Reese), he will be the starting QB on opening day next year.
That doesn't mean that we won't draft a Quarterback with our Top 5 pick, it just means that Manning will be here to groom the next QB, whether that's Webb or whomever we draft.
This is Manning's team until his contract is up. That reality needs to be accepted.
However he botched several throws yesterday that were clearly on him. Nobody can deny that.
He’s here one more year but I don’t see him here in 2019.
This team needs a complete re-haul and you do not do that with an old qb making 20 million a year.
Thank You Eli for the memories and being a great Giant..
But we will only get out from under this mess when the whole team is turned over except a couple of young guys.
We can cry that wait till Eli is gone and see how bad it gets. One you guys do not know that but it has been bad for most of a decade under Eli and TC and MacAdoo. So is not like we are going to miss year in and year out of playoffs
LOL... you can't make this shit up...