And Eli plain sucks this year. He missed at least 10 throws today. Please just get blown out the rest of the season so we can get a full regime change. Seriously. Worst offense I've ever seen.
And Eli plain sucks this year. He missed at least 10 throws today. Please just get blown out the rest of the season so we can get a full regime change. Seriously. Worst offense I've ever seen.
I really don't want to defend Eli after that fumble, but he absolutely did not miss 10 throws today (at least before this waste of time drive that's going on where he'll probably throw a pick just because).
His time is up here, but he basically was sent into a live war with a BB gun.
Denver was the abberation and if Denver had taken them seriously they'd still be winless.
Denver is about to lose to the Chargers. They're not all the special. On the other, we are horrible in every aspect. A joke.
Problem with that argument is this is the first time in 5 games the Giants didn't have the lead with 3.5 minutes left in the game. The defense has been a terrible disappointment.
oh come on.. We wanted Sullivan fired years ago the last time around. The only reason why there was any glimmer of hope was because of how fucked up the play calling was under Ben. The thought was that it could only get better. Sullivan is a piece of shit too... just a different piece of shit.
Mac was hired mainly to oversee the twilight of Eli's career so that Eli wasn't subjected to 3 systems in 4 years at the time we were making the hire.
The plan around Eli has blown up, as sad as it is to say. All that's left beyond this season is maybe another year or less in a Kurt Warner type role as he eventually makes way to Webb or a high draft pick.
Do it now. Promote Spags. Put everyone on notice that this year won't come without major change/consequences.
I was on board after 11-5. I am not on board after pissing away 5 games of a should be playoff season with the wrong o-line and refusing to give up playcalling.
Sign me up for Barkley, he looks better than anyone in college Â
Normally I would agree, but Jenkins/DRC/Collins were the worst players on the field for the defense. That should really never ever happen. Donte freakin' Deayon played well for goodness sakes.
Engram stepping out on big play. The trick play TD that could have been called Collins pick. The penalty before missed FG. Every little thing seems to go against you when you're bad.
that can make better adjustments with the same roster...McAdoo has his head up his ass all season long.
Maybe the group they had opening day. This group? There's no amount of adjusting that's going to get one of those receivers open on this secondary. Add in that the QB can't cause a breakdown with his feet and it's a wrap.
And coaching staff, it will be very hard to muster any enthusiasm. This is like a four year black spiral downward.
Well, brace yourself now because they likely will.
As much as I want Barkley, they're likely going to draft a QB and attempt to sell the resurrection of the franchise on his back, trying to play off the problems else where.
of the worse offensive performances I have ever seen from the Giants. There will be many excuses. Eli is missing most of his weapons, the Seahawks have a great defense, etc. None are valid. We were completely uncompetitive.
We have no big play ability, and no run game. Engram is the only weapon. Eli is facing a lot of cover 2 looks with backup WRs. But that was still an unbelievably bad performance. We got one TD off a short field from a turnover. How many passes did we completely to a WR? Five? Six?
On defense, Baldwin killed us all day, especially on third down.
Denver lost 21-0 to LAC, so maybe they're nearly as bad.
The season is gone and we know there's no chance for the playoffs with Geno Smith. It probably won't happen because McAdoo thinks he'll be retained if the Giants finish 4-12 rather than 2-14.
what did Hart do to get blamed for everything? He blocked Bennett very well. Fluker and Jones gave up the fumble sack.
Hart is not that good, but he had one bad play. There were others with much worse games, far worse.
we suck at it! We are horrible drafting Oline and they have to do that. How many Free Agents can you bring in? We won’t have the funds. Maybe could sign one.
that can make better adjustments with the same roster...McAdoo has his head up his ass all season long.
Maybe the group they had opening day. This group? There's no amount of adjusting that's going to get one of those receivers open on this secondary. Add in that the QB can't cause a breakdown with his feet and it's a wrap.
agreed...talking more about 0-5 with no adjustments...at least he gave the play calling duties away and shuffled the O-line the last 2 weeks...too little, too late.
With all the starters going down he is someone the Giants needed to count on, but it seems like he's rarely in the spot where Eli is throwing the ball. Engram may be the only receiver Eli can rely on - that's no good.
Must be fired. Now. Send the massage. Prepare to get new management in place before the off-season, the next free agency period and draft, and get that new GM to pick the next Head Coach. Forget the rest of this season and, most likely, at least the next two seasons. That's how bad and hollowed out this team is.
take Baldwin, Graham, and Lockett away from Wilson.
Not the only problem - but how can any team can lose 1st 3wrs and not be impacted?
yeah we were lighting it up before our 3 WRS got hurt. We have been one of the worst offenses in the league for a couple of years leading up to that day when the three WRs got hurt.
run game this week. One would think that with the 4 starting WRs all out that they would come up with some runs. Last week it was helmet on helmet, quick hits, this week, dumbass reverse that lost 8 yards. Just dumb crap.
I'm guessing if you put Brady or Rogers back there you see a competent offense. Not saying they would win but it wouldn't look like this.
Rodgers, maybe. They'd still be bad with Brady though, with this coaching staff and surrounding cast.
If we're literally saying the only way to have a mediocre, likely still non-winning offense is to have possibly the greatest combo of talent the NFL has seen in a QB, that's pretty much admitting how messed up this situation is though.
yeah we were lighting it up before our 3 WRS got hurt. We have been one of the worst offenses in the league for a couple of years leading up to that day when the three WRs got hurt.
We've scored 20 points in a game more often than Seattle this season, even after today. We had the lead with 3.5 minutes remaining in the game 4 weeks straight.
Being 1-6 is really a team-wide, top to bottom issue... not just the offense.
yeah we were lighting it up before our 3 WRS got hurt. We have been one of the worst offenses in the league for a couple of years leading up to that day when the three WRs got hurt.
We've scored 20 points in a game more often than Seattle this season, even after today. We had the lead with 3.5 minutes remaining in the game 4 weeks straight.
Being 1-6 is really a team-wide, top to bottom issue... not just the offense.
you are setting the bar too low. We have a defense that is good enough to take a team with an average offense into the playoffs. The offense cannot get out of its own way and if our defense has a mediocre day then we have no shot to win.
Was never taylored to Eli's strengths. Now it's completely devoid of talent and Eli is chucking and ducking like only he can.
Eli is not helping anything here right now. To that point there is no debate. The offense sucks balls now for over 20 games straight. Everyone is guilty.
Eli is a declining version of what he has been. His play has devolved over the past couple of years and a horrible front line, receivers that are not NFL ready and a coaching regime that has not, and maybe cannot, coach these players up makes this season a foregone conclusion.
What we have seen from Janoris , DRC , Apple and Collins this year is enough roof of how fans and coaches overvalue players.
Was never taylored to Eli's strengths. Now it's completely devoid of talent and Eli is chucking and ducking like only he can.
Eli is not helping anything here right now. To that point there is no debate. The offense sucks balls now for over 20 games straight. Everyone is guilty.
Yep... one big fucking Giant mess. Pun intended.
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Was never taylored to Eli's strengths. Now it's completely devoid of talent and Eli is chucking and ducking like only he can.
Eli is not helping anything here right now. To that point there is no debate. The offense sucks balls now for over 20 games straight. Everyone is guilty.
I hate to say it, but I don't want to see Eli get Engram killed out there. I love Eli, but it's really over.
yeah we were lighting it up before our 3 WRS got hurt. We have been one of the worst offenses in the league for a couple of years leading up to that day when the three WRs got hurt.
We've scored 20 points in a game more often than Seattle this season, even after today. We had the lead with 3.5 minutes remaining in the game 4 weeks straight.
Being 1-6 is really a team-wide, top to bottom issue... not just the offense.
you are setting the bar too low. We have a defense that is good enough to take a team with an average offense into the playoffs. The offense cannot get out of its own way and if our defense has a mediocre day then we have no shot to win.
The defense was handed the lead late in three games when the season was still alive and failed in all of them. Before these last two weeks, they're were getting gashed on the ground like they were working a corner for a living.
I'm not going to shed tears for them or worry about what we're wasting when they very much contributed to killing this season before it even really started.
but not with the NYG.
He needs a year to reflect on his shortcomings, including you cannot pretend to be Bill Belichick (or Mike McCarthy) unless you have Bill or Mike's record.
That is bad news for Eli. Instead of the Golden Years we envisioned in the spring, Manning must either mentor his replacement next year or move on to some team that could use his still effective talents.
Webb is the future. Don't waste a high pick on another QB. Davis was criticized for the same things as Watson; never played under center, inaccurate, not used to a huddle etc. IMO NFL QBs of the future are mobile, but not primarily runners (RGIII). Davis fits that mold.
Give Webb a uniform for the remaining games and put him in EVERY time the game is lopsided, either way. Heroics of 4Q comebacks are meaningless this year.
Start Eli in 2018 (keep his string alive) but trade him the next year.
The NYG have a young WR and TE core (Marshall needs to be cut at the end of the year) and I think Gallman will be a "solid RB" who will get you the needed yards. (Draft Lightning for explosion.)
I still have faith in Spags and his system.
Blame Eli for this three ring circus . Blame Collins DRC
and the defense for spending the entire game on the field with the average starting position at the 35 ? You can't be serious there has been ZERO continuity in this offense since pre-season . They couldn't score and run the ball last year either . Talent you say begins in the trenches and has been an absolute failure especially on offense and no better at the RB position . There is no depth and rarely do lower round picks pan out . This falls at the Feet of Jerry Reese and his staff . He needs to go I know its doubtful but it's not unreasonable .
The Mac hire is an absolute failure he inspires no one his in game coaching use of timeouts players replay challenges
and his offense never suited Eli it took a prolific OBJ
to be the offense and eventually the over use got him injured and the same will happen with Engram I am afraid as
you see him get tagged by Sherman who did make a great play on the lone deep shot .
To watch this team be embarrassed especially on the Defense because once again they wore down . Snacks still wanted a piece of some dude long after the game . Mark this one on your calendar as pay back down the road .Fuck Bennett and the other scumbags on this team . Carroll does coach them up all game long while MacHandley stands around emotionless like a tree stump .
The refs sure didn't help the BS TD that Collins came down with the ball as they were comind down the ball came loose and Collins kept the receiver from wrestling it away .
Then the obvious push off of Apple was another no call .
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Was never taylored to Eli's strengths. Now it's completely devoid of talent and Eli is chucking and ducking like only he can.
Eli is not helping anything here right now. To that point there is no debate. The offense sucks balls now for over 20 games straight. Everyone is guilty.
I hate to say it, but I don't want to see Eli get Engram killed out there. I love Eli, but it's really over.
Guess it's over, call it a day
Sorry that it had to end this way
No reason to pretend
We knew it had to end some day, this way
Yes, it's over, the kicks are gone
What's the use of tryin' to hang on?
Somewhere we lost the key
So little left for you and me and it's clear to see
I honestly don't understand what a lot of you expected Â
1) We could never really run the ball
2) Our strength was our passing game, which is now gone since we lost our top 4 WR's.
We now have practice squad type players at WR. A good team would shift to a running dominated game. We have tried that, but we can't run even when healthy. Its pretty simple.
1) We could never really run the ball
2) Our strength was our passing game, which is now gone since we lost our top 4 WR's.
We now have practice squad type players at WR. A good team would shift to a running dominated game. We have tried that, but we can't run even when healthy. Its pretty simple.
He's not a mobile QB - you have to be able to run the ball, at least enough to keep the other D honest.
If he is not done he should be done with the giants...This team is not winning another SB with Eli and the best thing is to start fresh and do it with a qb who will be the future of the team
Do you throw big FA money at him, or let him walk?
Or, will he settle for something less because he's not the healthiest lineman in the NFL?
Pugh will get good money from someone. I hate to say it but the offensive line is in such disarray that it may be us. You can't replace all 5 guys next year can you?
Was never taylored to Eli's strengths. Now it's completely devoid of talent and Eli is chucking and ducking like only he can.
Eli is not helping anything here right now. To that point there is no debate. The offense sucks balls now for over 20 games straight. Everyone is guilty.
I hate to say it, but I don't want to see Eli get Engram killed out there. I love Eli, but it's really over.
It really is a cold truth. He misses a lot. And he does in fact hang guys out to dry far too often. Nearly every game Eli turns it over usually more than once and he always always always misses wide open guys. Wide open in the flat five times in a game? Eli will miss him at least once. Great qbs don't miss that guy as often as Eli does.
It really is a cold truth. He misses a lot. And he does in fact hang guys out to dry far too often. Nearly every game Eli turns it over usually more than once and he always always always misses wide open guys. Wide open in the flat five times in a game? Eli will miss him at least once. Great qbs don't miss that guy as often as Eli does.
There are 3-4 QBs as immobile as Eli. 2 of them are extremely accurate (Brady, Rivers), so a short passing game fits in with their strengths and can limit somewhat the negative effects of a poor o-line. That leaves Carson Palmer, who has stunk for a year and a half now and probably played his final game today and Eli.
To be honest, the Gilbride offense fit Eli's strengths more and the singular greatness of Odell Beckham probably extended Eli's career beyond what it should've been.
Some of you guys should just pick another team to root for Â
as a run first team. Need to improve all specials new kicker punter returner. Play a slow grind it out style on Offense that opens up the big plays for Odel otherwise just eats clock backs teams up and wins with D.
Do you throw big FA money at him, or let him walk?
Or, will he settle for something less because he's not the healthiest lineman in the NFL?
Pugh will get good money from someone. I hate to say it but the offensive line is in such disarray that it may be us. You can't replace all 5 guys next year can you?
Minnesota did, and has looked good in doing so this year.
You could put any Qab in the league in this offense and the results would be the same or worse. It’s not Eli. It’s the GM for his trash drafts and the staff with their trash scheme.
The “fans” here are miserable. Eli gets killed for missing a blanketed receiver by a step but it’s ok if Wilson overthrows a wide open WR by 10 yards.
Do you throw big FA money at him, or let him walk?
Or, will he settle for something less because he's not the healthiest lineman in the NFL?
Pugh will get good money from someone. I hate to say it but the offensive line is in such disarray that it may be us. You can't replace all 5 guys next year can you?
Minnesota did, and has looked good in doing so this year.
Problem is our cap space. We can’t possibly afford 5 new linemen. Minnesota must of been well under the cap. They’re not paying that Franchise QB 150 Mil yet
I went out to take a hike in the local forest near where I live. I checked in a couple of times on my mobile phone to see the score.
It looks like they crapped the bed again in the second half.
At least they won't lose next week.
Maybe the owners will get smart and start firing Reese, and the coaching staff during the bye....but I doubt it, they have no balls!
I went out to take a hike in the local forest near where I live. I checked in a couple of times on my mobile phone to see the score.
It looks like they crapped the bed again in the second half.
At least they won't lose next week.
Maybe the owners will get smart and start firing Reese, and the coaching staff during the bye....but I doubt it, they have no balls!
game. The horse left the barn long ago on this team. When the 61 yard field goal was good, the Giants were a dead team walking. The San Diego game and the WR corps injuries put them squarely in drafting in the top 5 category. The Denver game will likely end up being the season highlight, unless they can figure out a way to maybe beat Dallas or Philly later in the year and somehow screw up their season in some way.
This is a 3-13 team as constructed right now. They are a team that couldn't run and was built on a passing offense that relied on it's WRs to beat a single high safety on a slant and run for a TD and hope the defense held up. That was it, that was the 2016 formula and McAdoo did nothing beyond that to prepare for 2017, other than bring in some other big names but ignored the OL and defense. Now you have a team with literally no WRs thanks to the Chargers game and we are surprised that they can't move the ball against Seattle? If any coaching staff should be fired it should be Denver's for allowing that travesty to happen on their home field in a Nationally Televised game.
Keep watching, hope for some improvement from young players to help them in 2018, but this team isn't winning a damn thing, so don't bother getting upset at a loss. You might as well be upset that tomorrow is Monday. It's happening whether you like it or not.
I'm a long time Eli supporter and I don't want to make too much of a lost game in a lost season, but he was putrid today and for the first time ever, I said to myself, "Giants need a new QB."
Why is it so hard for some of you to let go of Eli? Â
There is no shame in admitting he is not the same player he used to be. He is old and needs everything to be perfect to complete passes at this point. I flew to Charlotte for work today and didn't turn the game on until it was 10-7 in the 3rd quarter. Eli was at that point 9-19 for 40 yards. 40 yards!??
I don't care who is blocking or catching passes, as of today he is one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL, and by far the most overpaid. Maybe if he wasn't making 20 million a year, he would have a better offensive line in front of him.
This team needs to completely reboot. They have a ton of great pieces moving forward. Beckham, Snacks, Collins, Engram, Shepard, Jenkins, Vernon. This team is not the Browns. They can rebuild quickly, but they need to dump the front office and coaching staff as well as the bloated contracts. That starts with Eli, followed closely by DRC and Marshall.
Hart is not only a bad football player, but he had the most important penalty of the game at the most important time of the game. So am I blaming the entire loss on Hart? No. But I'm blaming that entire drive on him, I am. And that was the end of the game, after that.
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You want to blame Eli when he’s playing with these guys at WR and on the OL and these for shit RBs? And when he’s got McAdoo running the team?
How anyone comes away from this blaming Eli for the loss is beyond me. Go root for the fucking Jets.
or the people who defend eli to no end and prefer Eli to the Giants should root for a new team...Please stop...People who root for the team only are not married to defend the qb...the eli defenders never defend anyone else
It is what it is. I hope they can move him before the trading deadline for picks. The Eli era has been spectacular and an amazing time (2 rings) but it's over.
It is what it is. I hope they can move him before the trading deadline for picks. The Eli era has been spectacular and an amazing time (2 rings) but it's over.
My sentiments exactly. Eli is like Henrik Lundquist. It's been a great ride. But it is time to move on.
Are taking the easy way out, face it you have no idea how many times a receiver ran the wrong way or no one was open or maybe even the Seattle defense was baiting him into a throw because they knew what the receiver was running! You win or lose as a team and this is a bad team right now!
game. The horse left the barn long ago on this team. When the 61 yard field goal was good, the Giants were a dead team walking. The San Diego game and the WR corps injuries put them squarely in drafting in the top 5 category. The Denver game will likely end up being the season highlight, unless they can figure out a way to maybe beat Dallas or Philly later in the year and somehow screw up their season in some way.
This is a 3-13 team as constructed right now. They are a team that couldn't run and was built on a passing offense that relied on it's WRs to beat a single high safety on a slant and run for a TD and hope the defense held up. That was it, that was the 2016 formula and McAdoo did nothing beyond that to prepare for 2017, other than bring in some other big names but ignored the OL and defense. Now you have a team with literally no WRs thanks to the Chargers game and we are surprised that they can't move the ball against Seattle? If any coaching staff should be fired it should be Denver's for allowing that travesty to happen on their home field in a Nationally Televised game.
Keep watching, hope for some improvement from young players to help them in 2018, but this team isn't winning a damn thing, so don't bother getting upset at a loss. You might as well be upset that tomorrow is Monday. It's happening whether you like it or not.
Eli has been the best QB in the history of the Giants
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Who cares where he ranks in the history of the team? He is not that player anymore. We should be concerned with winning future super bowls, not nostalgia. He is a 20 million dollar Dave Brown/Brock Osweiler today. We can get the same shitty production at 1/7th the cost. Webb should get a chance to show what he can do and if he sucks, we still have a top 5 draft pick coming.
Eli has been the best QB in the history of the Giants
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Who cares where he ranks in the history of the team? He is not that player anymore. We should be concerned with winning future super bowls, not nostalgia. He is a 20 million dollar Dave Brown/Brock Osweiler today. We can get the same shitty production at 1/7th the cost. Webb should get a chance to show what he can do and if he sucks, we still have a top 5 draft pick coming.
Eli was a true professional today. He played to win and didn't force anything.
This offense has zero talent what did you expect him to do?
Eli has been the best QB in the history of the Giants
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Who cares where he ranks in the history of the team? He is not that player anymore. We should be concerned with winning future super bowls, not nostalgia. He is a 20 million dollar Dave Brown/Brock Osweiler today. We can get the same shitty production at 1/7th the cost. Webb should get a chance to show what he can do and if he sucks, we still have a top 5 draft pick coming.
Eli was a true professional today. He played to win and didn't force anything.
This offense has zero talent what did you expect him to do?
I expect him to play like a top 10 QB and elevate the team around him, like he used to. He might still have value to a team like Jax or the Vikings, but not this team.
first they were certain getting rid of the OC would do the trick, then they were absolutely sure getting rid of the Ancient One and elevating the new kid and his whiz bang short passing offense and getting rid of "balance" would be the road to success, and now it's Eli and for sure that will cure everything.
Good luck, you guys are bound to be right one of these days.
first they were certain getting rid of the OC would do the trick, then they were absolutely sure getting rid of the Ancient One and elevating the new kid and his whiz bang short passing offense and getting rid of "balance" would be the road to success, and now it's Eli and for sure that will cure everything.
Good luck, you guys are bound to be right one of these days.
Come on Homer a QB who can run is the answer don't you know. Forget the fact our top 4 WR's are out of the game, blow off the fact we have the worse O-Line in football, Overlook the aspect that we played a very good D and have zero running game.
The idiotic Madden mindset is in full effect on here
first they were certain getting rid of the OC would do the trick, then they were absolutely sure getting rid of the Ancient One and elevating the new kid and his whiz bang short passing offense and getting rid of "balance" would be the road to success, and now it's Eli and for sure that will cure everything.
Good luck, you guys are bound to be right one of these days.
To be fair, it's not just BBI (and the Giants offense did fine with McAdoo as OC and just OC). Most Giants fans today feel this way and it's going to make it really easy for the franchise to shift all the necessary blame onto him as this season winds down and sell how drafting Allen or Darnold is going to resurrect the franchise.
... all while Reese, Chris Mara, Ross, and likely even McAdoo attempt to skate into another year.
I hate to say it but he’s done. The organization ruined him. It’s time to prepare for drafting our next QB.
The problem with this is there's no reason right now to really think any QB drafted isn't going to be ruined, if this crack front office even manages to select the right one.
Eli's time is done here, he needs to not be on this team next year and they should even be strongly considering starting Webb this season for a few games at least, but the future isn't likely going to be any brighter without him as is... and "as is", no matter how some wish it, still seems likely to be mostly "as is" for next season too.
is multi-faceted.
His decline due to age has not only been years in the making, but also years in the making due to having several years of his career being behind an OL that is historically been OK at best and like 2012 downright terrible.
Meanwhile his personality is to put every O play on his back, leading to some poor decisions and pick 6s.
His accuracy was always good to OK and without a laserrocket arm to make his passes either his receivers got but not the defender.
He is now without his starter receivers and with a bad OL that has him feel pressure even moreso...real or not.
He's 36 and has now more David Carr in him than Eli Manning.
He makes 20M and likely has NO trade value based on all the negative history.
All that with a contract thru 2019...That contract makes a cut painful capwise in 2018.
Money this offseason for FA OLs if any likely come from painful cuts or working Eli s contract out to hurt even after his possible departure in '19 , or 2020.
Of course going OL crazy this draft even if possible gives him maybe 2 rookie OL may only be replacements for 2 current starters and all the pain that may come with a rookie OL, especially when the QB has Carritis.
Ownership and FO has some real problems to deal with this offseason because they postponed the inevitable with poor player choices, inactions, and patchwork solutions
that weren't.
By the time the OL and QB situation even LOOKS much better than today, most key players on O and D will be gone as FAs: the list of OBJ, Collins, the big 3 D FAs of 2 years ago, likely Shepard, possibly Engram.
This thing will be ugly for a while, at best, even with a new GM/HC and staffs.
My signature closing line:
Thank you JR.
Hart is not only a bad football player, but he had the most important penalty of the game at the most important time of the game. So am I blaming the entire loss on Hart? No. But I'm blaming that entire drive on him, I am. And that was the end of the game, after that.
Still wrong headed. It was still 3rd and 11 and of course they can't get a completed pass. For you like the other sheepeople here, Hart is the scapegoat for one bad play. Meanwhile, Eli misses open guys, DRC and Collins blow coverages on a few plays and Spags calls the worst defensive play of the game and you blame Hart, who handled Bennett quite well. Rosas missed a field goal, in case you missed it.
Hart is not a starter at tackle and has proven that. But he did not loose the game.
remaining . He's not going anywhere, given the contract. Look the Jets are getting similar play from McNown, who is of similar age at about 15 % of the dough. But, right now, he's pretty much helpless back there. His wide receivers can't handle their part . Nothing he can do . He did misfire a few times , but some of those passes were against their 3-deep , when the receiver didn't sit down in the hole in the zone , properly . If Eli would have thrown the ball to where the receiver was headed, there would have been about 4 picks instead of zero.
The Giants stayed in the game through most of three. It unraveled when the kicker missed from makeable range .
To imagine anyone in this franchise or this fan site wants Eli Â
He is done and the signs were there last season...
You're comical. I walked the point on Eli's diminished skills last season. Were you in the ass-wipe brigade who tidyed up for him?
I just gave you the reality of the matter. There will be no trade market for the guy. Marrone has even Bortles playing reasonably well. And if you think Mara is going to pay someone 40 million to sit the bench or send him home. I'm afraid you slacked off on your history of the NYG.
Only pattern interrupt : Eli retires . Other than that he's their '18 QB and to blame him right now for the sorry state of affairs is...comical .
He is still a quality QB who can win with the right pieces around him. He can carry a weak team to victory still but most likely cannot carry a weak team to enough victories to get into the playoffs. (before you point to last year, the defense carried us).
To say we need to dump Eli now is absolutely foolish. Not only do we have nobody as good as Eli on this roster but there is no free agent out there better than Eli.
We have a QB that needs more protection than most and an OL that is suited for a QB who can create with his legs. Total mismatch and that is not Eli's fault.
We are keeping Eli through the end of his contract. We need to draft a new QB this spring and have Eli teach him while playing under a restructured contract.
Don't be too quick to just buy Eli a plane ticket out of here. For all we know, he could be a great QB coach. He does have a great football mind even if the body does not do what his mind is asking him to do all of the time.
Easy does it. I am not blaming Eli as the problem. Only Â
That was it, that was the 2016 formula and McAdoo did nothing beyond that to prepare for 2017, other than bring in some other big names but ignored the OL and defense. Now you have a team with literally no WRs thanks to the Chargers game and we are surprised that they can't move the ball against Seattle? If any coaching staff should be fired it should be Denver's for allowing that travesty to happen on their home field in a Nationally Televised game.
He is still a quality QB who can win with the right pieces around him. He can carry a weak team to victory still but most likely cannot carry a weak team to enough victories to get into the playoffs. (before you point to last year, the defense carried us).
To say we need to dump Eli now is absolutely foolish. Not only do we have nobody as good as Eli on this roster but there is no free agent out there better than Eli.
We have a QB that needs more protection than most and an OL that is suited for a QB who can create with his legs. Total mismatch and that is not Eli's fault.
We are keeping Eli through the end of his contract. We need to draft a new QB this spring and have Eli teach him while playing under a restructured contract.
Don't be too quick to just buy Eli a plane ticket out of here. For all we know, he could be a great QB coach. He does have a great football mind even if the body does not do what his mind is asking him to do all of the time.
Shockingly astute assessment of the situation. I'm surprised.
He is still a quality QB who can win with the right pieces around him. He can carry a weak team to victory still but most likely cannot carry a weak team to enough victories to get into the playoffs. (before you point to last year, the defense carried us).
To say we need to dump Eli now is absolutely foolish. Not only do we have nobody as good as Eli on this roster but there is no free agent out there better than Eli.
We have a QB that needs more protection than most and an OL that is suited for a QB who can create with his legs. Total mismatch and that is not Eli's fault.
We are keeping Eli through the end of his contract. We need to draft a new QB this spring and have Eli teach him while playing under a restructured contract.
Don't be too quick to just buy Eli a plane ticket out of here. For all we know, he could be a great QB coach. He does have a great football mind even if the body does not do what his mind is asking him to do all of the time.
He's 36 years-old and clearly in the decline phase of his career. How soon do you think they're going to get "the right pieces" around him... when he's 38? I look at Eli the same way I look at Big Ben. Now Big Ben has a good o-line, a GREAT RB, and a GREAT WR, and can still win a big game, but if you handed him the ball and said throw it 40 times, he's going to make mistakes, take sacks, and get hurt. (Eli doesn't have the last 2 issues, but fumbles quite a bit.) Big Ben has to be managed and I feel the same way about Eli. He can't make plays with his feet, which a QB has to do in this day and age (lone exception: Brady) and he's simply not as accurate as he used to be. To be completely blunt, he's put receivers in harm's way with errant throws. He's missed quite a few deep passes this season.
Literally not one single person has blamed Eli Manning for all of the Giants problems or even said he's at the top of the list. However, I think too many people have their head in the sand when it comes to making an accurate assessment of where Eli is at this point of his career. It simply doesn't align with where the Giants are as a franchise.
it's his complete lack of mobility and inability to slide around to avoid pressure. In 2011 he was Brady like in this regard. In 2017 he's Bledsoe like
I think he's at a point in his career where he's not going to be Â
consistent week after week. He was great in Philly. He certainly played well enough to win in Tampa. He didn't play well against San Diego and that was BEFORE the receivers got hurt. He can't even use the excuse of the running game against the Chargers.
How soon do you realistically think we can get all these pieces around him, namely a few new o-linemen and a RB? I've read people talk about Minnesota, but their highest paid player left in free agency... that's not happening with the Giants.
I think Eli is moving around pretty well out there Â
I know it's fun to speculate about trade scenarios, physical declines, cutting him, etc...
But barring catastrophic injury (which could happen this year, thanks Reese), he will be the starting QB on opening day next year.
That doesn't mean that we won't draft a Quarterback with our Top 5 pick, it just means that Manning will be here to groom the next QB, whether that's Webb or whomever we draft.
This is Manning's team until his contract is up. That reality needs to be accepted.
He had some bad throws yesterday. He’s not getting a ton of help. No run game yesterday and shaky receiving corps. But when you make almost 20 million I don’t want to hear excuses.
However he botched several throws yesterday that were clearly on him. Nobody can deny that.
He’s here one more year but I don’t see him here in 2019.
I agree with Britt that Eli will play out contract Â
But a qb is needed so he can watch Eli for a year and than take over.
This team needs a complete re-haul and you do not do that with an old qb making 20 million a year.
Thank You Eli for the memories and being a great Giant..
But we will only get out from under this mess when the whole team is turned over except a couple of young guys.
We can cry that wait till Eli is gone and see how bad it gets. One you guys do not know that but it has been bad for most of a decade under Eli and TC and MacAdoo. So is not like we are going to miss year in and year out of playoffs
...but it will be soon.
As is the season.
It's all about Draft position now.
Only problem: Jerry Reese will still be here.
Saquon Barkley, hopefully.
More likely Jake Locker 2.0, Allen though.
...it's all about Draft position.
I'm seeing 1 or 2 wins max the rest of the way.
2-14 sounds about right.
Baker Mayfield.
... an athletic player who is raw but with tremendous upside!
...after Denver game.
But save for 2 or 3 big runs last week, that offense sucked in Denver. Just like it sucked today.
Gotta get us a new QB.
And a re-vamped O-line.
Denver is about to lose to the Chargers. They're not all the special. On the other, we are horrible in every aspect. A joke.
...it's all about Draft position.
I'm seeing 1 or 2 wins max the rest of the way.
2-14 sounds about right.
Baker Mayfield.
Baker Mayfield in NYC isn't exactly a good idea
"We still have a lot of football ahead of us. Not making any evaluations or decisions now"
Engram is the lone weapon but can only do so much.
The ground game went back to normal bad level and then Pugh went down and we got to see more of Hart being a mess.
The defense got gassed.
We better get used to it.
The guy wants big money... plays well when he's in there... and doesn't look so good when he can't suit up, which is often.
I would not open the vault for this guy.
The guy wants big money... plays well when he's in there... and doesn't look so good when he can't suit up, which is often.
I would not open the vault for this guy.
back injury
DRC played like he was on self-imposed suspension. Janoris Jenkins flat out sucked today. Landon Collins wasn't particularly good either.
Sully did enough dumb shit that we can now be certain it's not all Mac's fault. Or maybe it is... IDK. Frankly I don't even give a shit anymore.
Had hope for Sully, at least he was learning, JR and Macadoo maybe not.
But...offensive schematics looked pretty weak this game, even given the roster.
Idiocy to blame the D here.
...it's all about Draft position.
I'm seeing 1 or 2 wins max the rest of the way.
2-14 sounds about right.
Baker Mayfield.
No, no, no. Give me Rosen or Jackson. Or even Mason Rudolph.
Yeah. So many problems on this team that it's hard to keep track.
I really don't want to defend Eli after that fumble, but he absolutely did not miss 10 throws today (at least before this waste of time drive that's going on where he'll probably throw a pick just because).
His time is up here, but he basically was sent into a live war with a BB gun.
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Denver was the abberation and if Denver had taken them seriously they'd still be winless.
Denver is about to lose to the Chargers. They're not all the special. On the other, we are horrible in every aspect. A joke.
Problem with that argument is this is the first time in 5 games the Giants didn't have the lead with 3.5 minutes left in the game. The defense has been a terrible disappointment.
I'd get rid of McAdoo too, but somebody has to stand out on the sidelines the rest of the year.
This team is horrible and has been for years.
Had hope for Sully, at least he was learning
oh come on.. We wanted Sullivan fired years ago the last time around. The only reason why there was any glimmer of hope was because of how fucked up the play calling was under Ben. The thought was that it could only get better. Sullivan is a piece of shit too... just a different piece of shit.
This is not on manning. This is squarely on JR and the O style generally.
The plan around Eli has blown up, as sad as it is to say. All that's left beyond this season is maybe another year or less in a Kurt Warner type role as he eventually makes way to Webb or a high draft pick.
Do it now. Promote Spags. Put everyone on notice that this year won't come without major change/consequences.
I was on board after 11-5. I am not on board after pissing away 5 games of a should be playoff season with the wrong o-line and refusing to give up playcalling.
DRC played like he was on self-imposed suspension. Janoris Jenkins flat out sucked today. Landon Collins wasn't particularly good either.
Sully did enough dumb shit that we can now be certain it's not all Mac's fault. Or maybe it is... IDK. Frankly I don't even give a shit anymore.
Yeah, guys are making business decisions now and trying to play out the string without getting hurt.
Idiocy to blame the D here.
Normally I would agree, but Jenkins/DRC/Collins were the worst players on the field for the defense. That should really never ever happen. Donte freakin' Deayon played well for goodness sakes.
Powder blue power.
How's Barkley averaging more than 3 yards a carry behind this line?
The guy wants big money... plays well when he's in there... and doesn't look so good when he can't suit up, which is often.
I would not open the vault for this guy.
Maybe the group they had opening day. This group? There's no amount of adjusting that's going to get one of those receivers open on this secondary. Add in that the QB can't cause a breakdown with his feet and it's a wrap.
Well, brace yourself now because they likely will.
As much as I want Barkley, they're likely going to draft a QB and attempt to sell the resurrection of the franchise on his back, trying to play off the problems else where.
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It's a good time to get rid of the GM and let a new voice come in.
I'd get rid of McAdoo too, [a cardboard cut out of parcells] can to stand out on the sidelines the rest of the year.
This team is horrible and has been for years.
We have no big play ability, and no run game. Engram is the only weapon. Eli is facing a lot of cover 2 looks with backup WRs. But that was still an unbelievably bad performance. We got one TD off a short field from a turnover. How many passes did we completely to a WR? Five? Six?
On defense, Baldwin killed us all day, especially on third down.
Denver lost 21-0 to LAC, so maybe they're nearly as bad.
Did like what I saw from Moss.
Hart is not that good, but he had one bad play. There were others with much worse games, far worse.
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The Giants take ....
... an athletic player who is raw but with tremendous upside!
LO f'n L!!!
if JR is still here of course... otherwise maybe a real football player.
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that can make better adjustments with the same roster...McAdoo has his head up his ass all season long.
Maybe the group they had opening day. This group? There's no amount of adjusting that's going to get one of those receivers open on this secondary. Add in that the QB can't cause a breakdown with his feet and it's a wrap.
agreed...talking more about 0-5 with no adjustments...at least he gave the play calling duties away and shuffled the O-line the last 2 weeks...too little, too late.
Not the only problem - but how can any team can lose 1st 3wrs and not be impacted?
You are brilliant....yeah a false start caused them to loose.
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... an athletic player who is raw but with tremendous upside!
or a non-athletic team captain...
Not the only problem - but how can any team can lose 1st 3wrs and not be impacted?
yeah we were lighting it up before our 3 WRS got hurt. We have been one of the worst offenses in the league for a couple of years leading up to that day when the three WRs got hurt.
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false start is just a huge game killing play. I never want to see this guy on the field again. He's fucking terrible.
You are brilliant....yeah a false start caused them to loose.
no, but it started the tailspin...just bad mojo. No false start, closer by 5 yards, maybe Rosas hits the FG and we're still in it...
Rodgers, maybe. They'd still be bad with Brady though, with this coaching staff and surrounding cast.
If we're literally saying the only way to have a mediocre, likely still non-winning offense is to have possibly the greatest combo of talent the NFL has seen in a QB, that's pretty much admitting how messed up this situation is though.
And yeah, bitch all you want because this didn't lose the game since the Offense can't move the ball on their own.
Blame the WRs??...no way. Even practice squad players need to be able to get open every now and then. Eli and this offense are painful to watch.
we kind of suck...
Although I love starting TEs against the Giant defense on my fantasy football team. Score every week!
sure.. Chris Mara is getting fired. You are too funny.
By the way, I love a Swedish massage
2010 Mitch Petrus
2011 James Brewer
2012 Brandon Mosely / Matt McCants
2013 Eric Herman
Rest assured we have the right guy in Reese to fix things come Draft Day 2018!
yeah we were lighting it up before our 3 WRS got hurt. We have been one of the worst offenses in the league for a couple of years leading up to that day when the three WRs got hurt.
We've scored 20 points in a game more often than Seattle this season, even after today. We had the lead with 3.5 minutes remaining in the game 4 weeks straight.
Being 1-6 is really a team-wide, top to bottom issue... not just the offense.
Agree 100% it is amazing how many people here will spend so much time watching and chatting online about football and still do not know the rules.
The other thing is if you want to place blame on that TD, then point to Eli for fumbling and Collins for mis-timing his jump and not deflecting it.
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yeah we were lighting it up before our 3 WRS got hurt. We have been one of the worst offenses in the league for a couple of years leading up to that day when the three WRs got hurt.
We've scored 20 points in a game more often than Seattle this season, even after today. We had the lead with 3.5 minutes remaining in the game 4 weeks straight.
Being 1-6 is really a team-wide, top to bottom issue... not just the offense.
you are setting the bar too low. We have a defense that is good enough to take a team with an average offense into the playoffs. The offense cannot get out of its own way and if our defense has a mediocre day then we have no shot to win.
Eli is not helping anything here right now. To that point there is no debate. The offense sucks balls now for over 20 games straight. Everyone is guilty.
What we have seen from Janoris , DRC , Apple and Collins this year is enough roof of how fans and coaches overvalue players.
Eli is not helping anything here right now. To that point there is no debate. The offense sucks balls now for over 20 games straight. Everyone is guilty.
Yep... one big fucking Giant mess. Pun intended.
Eli is not helping anything here right now. To that point there is no debate. The offense sucks balls now for over 20 games straight. Everyone is guilty.
I hate to say it, but I don't want to see Eli get Engram killed out there. I love Eli, but it's really over.
Gonna be a long, hard cold NY winter for the hometown fans.
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yeah we were lighting it up before our 3 WRS got hurt. We have been one of the worst offenses in the league for a couple of years leading up to that day when the three WRs got hurt.
We've scored 20 points in a game more often than Seattle this season, even after today. We had the lead with 3.5 minutes remaining in the game 4 weeks straight.
Being 1-6 is really a team-wide, top to bottom issue... not just the offense.
you are setting the bar too low. We have a defense that is good enough to take a team with an average offense into the playoffs. The offense cannot get out of its own way and if our defense has a mediocre day then we have no shot to win.
The defense was handed the lead late in three games when the season was still alive and failed in all of them. Before these last two weeks, they're were getting gashed on the ground like they were working a corner for a living.
I'm not going to shed tears for them or worry about what we're wasting when they very much contributed to killing this season before it even really started.
He needs a year to reflect on his shortcomings, including you cannot pretend to be Bill Belichick (or Mike McCarthy) unless you have Bill or Mike's record.
That is bad news for Eli. Instead of the Golden Years we envisioned in the spring, Manning must either mentor his replacement next year or move on to some team that could use his still effective talents.
Webb is the future. Don't waste a high pick on another QB. Davis was criticized for the same things as Watson; never played under center, inaccurate, not used to a huddle etc. IMO NFL QBs of the future are mobile, but not primarily runners (RGIII). Davis fits that mold.
Give Webb a uniform for the remaining games and put him in EVERY time the game is lopsided, either way. Heroics of 4Q comebacks are meaningless this year.
Start Eli in 2018 (keep his string alive) but trade him the next year.
The NYG have a young WR and TE core (Marshall needs to be cut at the end of the year) and I think Gallman will be a "solid RB" who will get you the needed yards. (Draft Lightning for explosion.)
I still have faith in Spags and his system.
and the defense for spending the entire game on the field with the average starting position at the 35 ? You can't be serious there has been ZERO continuity in this offense since pre-season . They couldn't score and run the ball last year either . Talent you say begins in the trenches and has been an absolute failure especially on offense and no better at the RB position . There is no depth and rarely do lower round picks pan out . This falls at the Feet of Jerry Reese and his staff . He needs to go I know its doubtful but it's not unreasonable .
The Mac hire is an absolute failure he inspires no one his in game coaching use of timeouts players replay challenges
and his offense never suited Eli it took a prolific OBJ
to be the offense and eventually the over use got him injured and the same will happen with Engram I am afraid as
you see him get tagged by Sherman who did make a great play on the lone deep shot .
To watch this team be embarrassed especially on the Defense because once again they wore down . Snacks still wanted a piece of some dude long after the game . Mark this one on your calendar as pay back down the road .Fuck Bennett and the other scumbags on this team . Carroll does coach them up all game long while MacHandley stands around emotionless like a tree stump .
The refs sure didn't help the BS TD that Collins came down with the ball as they were comind down the ball came loose and Collins kept the receiver from wrestling it away .
Then the obvious push off of Apple was another no call .
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Was never taylored to Eli's strengths. Now it's completely devoid of talent and Eli is chucking and ducking like only he can.
Eli is not helping anything here right now. To that point there is no debate. The offense sucks balls now for over 20 games straight. Everyone is guilty.
I hate to say it, but I don't want to see Eli get Engram killed out there. I love Eli, but it's really over.
Guess it's over, call it a day
Sorry that it had to end this way
No reason to pretend
We knew it had to end some day, this way
Yes, it's over, the kicks are gone
What's the use of tryin' to hang on?
Somewhere we lost the key
So little left for you and me and it's clear to see
2) Our strength was our passing game, which is now gone since we lost our top 4 WR's.
We now have practice squad type players at WR. A good team would shift to a running dominated game. We have tried that, but we can't run even when healthy. Its pretty simple.
...shocker.
Do you throw big FA money at him, or let him walk?
Or, will he settle for something less because he's not the healthiest lineman in the NFL?
2) Our strength was our passing game, which is now gone since we lost our top 4 WR's.
We now have practice squad type players at WR. A good team would shift to a running dominated game. We have tried that, but we can't run even when healthy. Its pretty simple.
They were 0-4 with their regular receivers
If he is not done he should be done with the giants...This team is not winning another SB with Eli and the best thing is to start fresh and do it with a qb who will be the future of the team
...shocker.
Do you throw big FA money at him, or let him walk?
Or, will he settle for something less because he's not the healthiest lineman in the NFL?
Pugh will get good money from someone. I hate to say it but the offensive line is in such disarray that it may be us. You can't replace all 5 guys next year can you?
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Was never taylored to Eli's strengths. Now it's completely devoid of talent and Eli is chucking and ducking like only he can.
Eli is not helping anything here right now. To that point there is no debate. The offense sucks balls now for over 20 games straight. Everyone is guilty.
I hate to say it, but I don't want to see Eli get Engram killed out there. I love Eli, but it's really over.
It really is a cold truth. He misses a lot. And he does in fact hang guys out to dry far too often. Nearly every game Eli turns it over usually more than once and he always always always misses wide open guys. Wide open in the flat five times in a game? Eli will miss him at least once. Great qbs don't miss that guy as often as Eli does.
It was fun on the links today though.
Don't fret, they can't lose next week...
It really is a cold truth. He misses a lot. And he does in fact hang guys out to dry far too often. Nearly every game Eli turns it over usually more than once and he always always always misses wide open guys. Wide open in the flat five times in a game? Eli will miss him at least once. Great qbs don't miss that guy as often as Eli does.
There are 3-4 QBs as immobile as Eli. 2 of them are extremely accurate (Brady, Rivers), so a short passing game fits in with their strengths and can limit somewhat the negative effects of a poor o-line. That leaves Carson Palmer, who has stunk for a year and a half now and probably played his final game today and Eli.
To be honest, the Gilbride offense fit Eli's strengths more and the singular greatness of Odell Beckham probably extended Eli's career beyond what it should've been.
How anyone comes away from this blaming Eli for the loss is beyond me. Go root for the fucking Jets.
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...shocker.
Do you throw big FA money at him, or let him walk?
Or, will he settle for something less because he's not the healthiest lineman in the NFL?
Pugh will get good money from someone. I hate to say it but the offensive line is in such disarray that it may be us. You can't replace all 5 guys next year can you?
Minnesota did, and has looked good in doing so this year.
The “fans” here are miserable. Eli gets killed for missing a blanketed receiver by a step but it’s ok if Wilson overthrows a wide open WR by 10 yards.
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...shocker.
Do you throw big FA money at him, or let him walk?
Or, will he settle for something less because he's not the healthiest lineman in the NFL?
Pugh will get good money from someone. I hate to say it but the offensive line is in such disarray that it may be us. You can't replace all 5 guys next year can you?
Minnesota did, and has looked good in doing so this year.
Problem is our cap space. We can’t possibly afford 5 new linemen. Minnesota must of been well under the cap. They’re not paying that Franchise QB 150 Mil yet
It looks like they crapped the bed again in the second half.
At least they won't lose next week.
Maybe the owners will get smart and start firing Reese, and the coaching staff during the bye....but I doubt it, they have no balls!
It looks like they crapped the bed again in the second half.
At least they won't lose next week.
Maybe the owners will get smart and start firing Reese, and the coaching staff during the bye....but I doubt it, they have no balls!
Reese, Ross, AND MARA. All 3 need to go.
This is a 3-13 team as constructed right now. They are a team that couldn't run and was built on a passing offense that relied on it's WRs to beat a single high safety on a slant and run for a TD and hope the defense held up. That was it, that was the 2016 formula and McAdoo did nothing beyond that to prepare for 2017, other than bring in some other big names but ignored the OL and defense. Now you have a team with literally no WRs thanks to the Chargers game and we are surprised that they can't move the ball against Seattle? If any coaching staff should be fired it should be Denver's for allowing that travesty to happen on their home field in a Nationally Televised game.
Keep watching, hope for some improvement from young players to help them in 2018, but this team isn't winning a damn thing, so don't bother getting upset at a loss. You might as well be upset that tomorrow is Monday. It's happening whether you like it or not.
I'm a long time Eli supporter and I don't want to make too much of a lost game in a lost season, but he was putrid today and for the first time ever, I said to myself, "Giants need a new QB."
I don't care who is blocking or catching passes, as of today he is one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL, and by far the most overpaid. Maybe if he wasn't making 20 million a year, he would have a better offensive line in front of him.
This team needs to completely reboot. They have a ton of great pieces moving forward. Beckham, Snacks, Collins, Engram, Shepard, Jenkins, Vernon. This team is not the Browns. They can rebuild quickly, but they need to dump the front office and coaching staff as well as the bloated contracts. That starts with Eli, followed closely by DRC and Marshall.
How anyone comes away from this blaming Eli for the loss is beyond me. Go root for the fucking Jets.
or the people who defend eli to no end and prefer Eli to the Giants should root for a new team...Please stop...People who root for the team only are not married to defend the qb...the eli defenders never defend anyone else
My sentiments exactly. Eli is like Henrik Lundquist. It's been a great ride. But it is time to move on.
Eli has been the best QB in the history of the Giants
This is a 3-13 team as constructed right now. They are a team that couldn't run and was built on a passing offense that relied on it's WRs to beat a single high safety on a slant and run for a TD and hope the defense held up. That was it, that was the 2016 formula and McAdoo did nothing beyond that to prepare for 2017, other than bring in some other big names but ignored the OL and defense. Now you have a team with literally no WRs thanks to the Chargers game and we are surprised that they can't move the ball against Seattle? If any coaching staff should be fired it should be Denver's for allowing that travesty to happen on their home field in a Nationally Televised game.
Keep watching, hope for some improvement from young players to help them in 2018, but this team isn't winning a damn thing, so don't bother getting upset at a loss. You might as well be upset that tomorrow is Monday. It's happening whether you like it or not.
Well played, sir! Absolutely true!
Eli has been the best QB in the history of the Giants
Who cares where he ranks in the history of the team? He is not that player anymore. We should be concerned with winning future super bowls, not nostalgia. He is a 20 million dollar Dave Brown/Brock Osweiler today. We can get the same shitty production at 1/7th the cost. Webb should get a chance to show what he can do and if he sucks, we still have a top 5 draft pick coming.
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guarantee Webb will be any better.
Eli has been the best QB in the history of the Giants
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Who cares where he ranks in the history of the team? He is not that player anymore. We should be concerned with winning future super bowls, not nostalgia. He is a 20 million dollar Dave Brown/Brock Osweiler today. We can get the same shitty production at 1/7th the cost. Webb should get a chance to show what he can do and if he sucks, we still have a top 5 draft pick coming.
Eli was a true professional today. He played to win and didn't force anything.
This offense has zero talent what did you expect him to do?
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guarantee Webb will be any better.
Eli has been the best QB in the history of the Giants
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Who cares where he ranks in the history of the team? He is not that player anymore. We should be concerned with winning future super bowls, not nostalgia. He is a 20 million dollar Dave Brown/Brock Osweiler today. We can get the same shitty production at 1/7th the cost. Webb should get a chance to show what he can do and if he sucks, we still have a top 5 draft pick coming.
Eli was a true professional today. He played to win and didn't force anything.
This offense has zero talent what did you expect him to do?
I expect him to play like a top 10 QB and elevate the team around him, like he used to. He might still have value to a team like Jax or the Vikings, but not this team.
Good luck, you guys are bound to be right one of these days.
Good luck, you guys are bound to be right one of these days.
Come on Homer a QB who can run is the answer don't you know. Forget the fact our top 4 WR's are out of the game, blow off the fact we have the worse O-Line in football, Overlook the aspect that we played a very good D and have zero running game.
The idiotic Madden mindset is in full effect on here
Good luck, you guys are bound to be right one of these days.
To be fair, it's not just BBI (and the Giants offense did fine with McAdoo as OC and just OC). Most Giants fans today feel this way and it's going to make it really easy for the franchise to shift all the necessary blame onto him as this season winds down and sell how drafting Allen or Darnold is going to resurrect the franchise.
... all while Reese, Chris Mara, Ross, and likely even McAdoo attempt to skate into another year.
The problem with this is there's no reason right now to really think any QB drafted isn't going to be ruined, if this crack front office even manages to select the right one.
Eli's time is done here, he needs to not be on this team next year and they should even be strongly considering starting Webb this season for a few games at least, but the future isn't likely going to be any brighter without him as is... and "as is", no matter how some wish it, still seems likely to be mostly "as is" for next season too.
His decline due to age has not only been years in the making, but also years in the making due to having several years of his career being behind an OL that is historically been OK at best and like 2012 downright terrible.
Meanwhile his personality is to put every O play on his back, leading to some poor decisions and pick 6s.
His accuracy was always good to OK and without a laserrocket arm to make his passes either his receivers got but not the defender.
He is now without his starter receivers and with a bad OL that has him feel pressure even moreso...real or not.
He's 36 and has now more David Carr in him than Eli Manning.
He makes 20M and likely has NO trade value based on all the negative history.
All that with a contract thru 2019...That contract makes a cut painful capwise in 2018.
Money this offseason for FA OLs if any likely come from painful cuts or working Eli s contract out to hurt even after his possible departure in '19 , or 2020.
Of course going OL crazy this draft even if possible gives him maybe 2 rookie OL may only be replacements for 2 current starters and all the pain that may come with a rookie OL, especially when the QB has Carritis.
Ownership and FO has some real problems to deal with this offseason because they postponed the inevitable with poor player choices, inactions, and patchwork solutions
that weren't.
By the time the OL and QB situation even LOOKS much better than today, most key players on O and D will be gone as FAs: the list of OBJ, Collins, the big 3 D FAs of 2 years ago, likely Shepard, possibly Engram.
This thing will be ugly for a while, at best, even with a new GM/HC and staffs.
My signature closing line:
Thank you JR.
Still wrong headed. It was still 3rd and 11 and of course they can't get a completed pass. For you like the other sheepeople here, Hart is the scapegoat for one bad play. Meanwhile, Eli misses open guys, DRC and Collins blow coverages on a few plays and Spags calls the worst defensive play of the game and you blame Hart, who handled Bennett quite well. Rosas missed a field goal, in case you missed it.
Hart is not a starter at tackle and has proven that. But he did not loose the game.
The Giants stayed in the game through most of three. It unraveled when the kicker missed from makeable range .
He is done and the signs were there last season...
He is done and the signs were there last season...
You're comical. I walked the point on Eli's diminished skills last season. Were you in the ass-wipe brigade who tidyed up for him?
I just gave you the reality of the matter. There will be no trade market for the guy. Marrone has even Bortles playing reasonably well. And if you think Mara is going to pay someone 40 million to sit the bench or send him home. I'm afraid you slacked off on your history of the NYG.
Only pattern interrupt : Eli retires . Other than that he's their '18 QB and to blame him right now for the sorry state of affairs is...comical .
To say we need to dump Eli now is absolutely foolish. Not only do we have nobody as good as Eli on this roster but there is no free agent out there better than Eli.
We have a QB that needs more protection than most and an OL that is suited for a QB who can create with his legs. Total mismatch and that is not Eli's fault.
We are keeping Eli through the end of his contract. We need to draft a new QB this spring and have Eli teach him while playing under a restructured contract.
Don't be too quick to just buy Eli a plane ticket out of here. For all we know, he could be a great QB coach. He does have a great football mind even if the body does not do what his mind is asking him to do all of the time.
His time is over...
and u need a valium
His time is over...
and u need a valium
That was it, that was the 2016 formula and McAdoo did nothing beyond that to prepare for 2017, other than bring in some other big names but ignored the OL and defense. Now you have a team with literally no WRs thanks to the Chargers game and we are surprised that they can't move the ball against Seattle? If any coaching staff should be fired it should be Denver's for allowing that travesty to happen on their home field in a Nationally Televised game.
Since when does the head coach sign players?
To say we need to dump Eli now is absolutely foolish. Not only do we have nobody as good as Eli on this roster but there is no free agent out there better than Eli.
We have a QB that needs more protection than most and an OL that is suited for a QB who can create with his legs. Total mismatch and that is not Eli's fault.
We are keeping Eli through the end of his contract. We need to draft a new QB this spring and have Eli teach him while playing under a restructured contract.
Don't be too quick to just buy Eli a plane ticket out of here. For all we know, he could be a great QB coach. He does have a great football mind even if the body does not do what his mind is asking him to do all of the time.
Shockingly astute assessment of the situation. I'm surprised.
To say we need to dump Eli now is absolutely foolish. Not only do we have nobody as good as Eli on this roster but there is no free agent out there better than Eli.
We have a QB that needs more protection than most and an OL that is suited for a QB who can create with his legs. Total mismatch and that is not Eli's fault.
We are keeping Eli through the end of his contract. We need to draft a new QB this spring and have Eli teach him while playing under a restructured contract.
Don't be too quick to just buy Eli a plane ticket out of here. For all we know, he could be a great QB coach. He does have a great football mind even if the body does not do what his mind is asking him to do all of the time.
He's 36 years-old and clearly in the decline phase of his career. How soon do you think they're going to get "the right pieces" around him... when he's 38? I look at Eli the same way I look at Big Ben. Now Big Ben has a good o-line, a GREAT RB, and a GREAT WR, and can still win a big game, but if you handed him the ball and said throw it 40 times, he's going to make mistakes, take sacks, and get hurt. (Eli doesn't have the last 2 issues, but fumbles quite a bit.) Big Ben has to be managed and I feel the same way about Eli. He can't make plays with his feet, which a QB has to do in this day and age (lone exception: Brady) and he's simply not as accurate as he used to be. To be completely blunt, he's put receivers in harm's way with errant throws. He's missed quite a few deep passes this season.
Literally not one single person has blamed Eli Manning for all of the Giants problems or even said he's at the top of the list. However, I think too many people have their head in the sand when it comes to making an accurate assessment of where Eli is at this point of his career. It simply doesn't align with where the Giants are as a franchise.
What do you see physically from Eli that indicates to you that he is clearly in decline? Is he skipping throws to receivers? Losing arm strength?
Not seeing it.
You want to say he still throws it hard enough to be a winning/serviceable QB? Sure, but to say he hasn't lost arm strength is a major stretch.
I still see him fit the ball in tight spots and throw a fairly accurate deep ball.
It's not like he's Peyton with the Broncos out there.
How soon do you realistically think we can get all these pieces around him, namely a few new o-linemen and a RB? I've read people talk about Minnesota, but their highest paid player left in free agency... that's not happening with the Giants.
But barring catastrophic injury (which could happen this year, thanks Reese), he will be the starting QB on opening day next year.
That doesn't mean that we won't draft a Quarterback with our Top 5 pick, it just means that Manning will be here to groom the next QB, whether that's Webb or whomever we draft.
This is Manning's team until his contract is up. That reality needs to be accepted.
However he botched several throws yesterday that were clearly on him. Nobody can deny that.
He’s here one more year but I don’t see him here in 2019.
This team needs a complete re-haul and you do not do that with an old qb making 20 million a year.
Thank You Eli for the memories and being a great Giant..
But we will only get out from under this mess when the whole team is turned over except a couple of young guys.
We can cry that wait till Eli is gone and see how bad it gets. One you guys do not know that but it has been bad for most of a decade under Eli and TC and MacAdoo. So is not like we are going to miss year in and year out of playoffs
LOL... you can't make this shit up...