Last time there was a horrendous interpretation of a jumpball TD, it became the last straw to get the "incompetent" replacement refs thrown out.
How much do you think we'll hear about this play in the coming week?
I'm guessing we won't.
It has been years since the replacement refs and the league still doesn't know how to rule on TD catches. They don't apply consistent standards to the going to the ground rules and bobbles apparently don't get consistently reviewed on replay.
The refs have been poor all season long across the league, yet the last time a play like this happened, it got everyone up in arms.
You know as well as I do that we won't see any outrage now....
Officiating is broken. Needs to change. Refs + Replay + Rules that make no sense = terrible product.
Last time, the announcers went into full blown outrage mode, but I'm sure that was a directive to try and highlight any errors by the replacement crews.
Officiating is broken. Needs to change. Refs + Replay + Rules that make no sense = terrible product.
Add players kneeling for the national anthem and you see why ratings and attendance are tanking.
- Two refs are standing right there waiting to see where possession ends up
- Once they have a visual on the possession, they award it the opposite of what they saw
- They signal TD as Collins holds the ball up
That's the TD call on the field.
We don't know what replay is looking at, but they missed:
- A bobble when the players hit the ground
- Richardson then attempting to gain possession while he has one and then a second foot hit out of bounds
- Collins maintain possession in the field of play without being out of bounds
- Ignoring the going to the ground rule where you must maintain possession throughout the catch
We probably won't ever understand why the call was what it was - which is exactly what got the replacement refs ousted.
The NFL has a huge problem, and it extends well past a shitty call between two bad teams.
That's unfair to braindeads everywhere.
What would the Giants have been able to do with it anyway. Offense just inept..
- They overturn a TD by the Jets with less than conclusive evidence and it costs them a win
- The refs give the Raiders three chances to win the game against the Chiefs and on the third try they are successful. Not much review about the two defensive holding penalties - one that looked legit and one that looked phantom
- Replay decides not to overturn a play that has clear evidence that Collins ends up with possession of the ball and that Richardson lost the ball and while trying to regain it has both feet go out of bounds.
If the league can't explain how they can overturn the Jets TD but not this one, then replay serve little function. But my guess is that they won't have to answer that question. It won't be asked
Can anyone explain why two guys standing there don't signal TD while the players are wrestling for the ball and when they do it is when Collins clearly has it?
That shouldn't be called out?
Very strange take.
But I'd at least understand what they were thinking. That initially it looked like a TD catch. That's fine. Waiting to signal a TD and finally doing so when the opponent has possession defies any rational explanation.
Can anyone explain why two guys standing there don't signal TD while the players are wrestling for the ball and when they do it is when Collins clearly has it?
That shouldn't be called out?
Very strange take.
- Two refs are standing right there waiting to see where possession ends up
- Once they have a visual on the possession, they award it the opposite of what they saw
- They signal TD as Collins holds the ball up
That's the TD call on the field.
We don't know what replay is looking at, but they missed:
- A bobble when the players hit the ground
- Richardson then attempting to gain possession while he has one and then a second foot hit out of bounds
- Collins maintain possession in the field of play without being out of bounds
- Ignoring the going to the ground rule where you must maintain possession throughout the catch
We probably won't ever understand why the call was what it was - which is exactly what got the replacement refs ousted.
The NFL has a huge problem, and it extends well past a shitty call between two bad teams.
100% on point. Cannot believe how many things they got wrong on one play.
Quote:
on the field deserve blame since it was the call made that needs evidence to overturn.
Can anyone explain why two guys standing there don't signal TD while the players are wrestling for the ball and when they do it is when Collins clearly has it?
That shouldn't be called out?
Very strange take.
What's "evidence"? It's whatever the replay guy in NY says it is. It doesn't matter what the official on the field calls in the heat of battle. The replay guy in NY can replay 19 times from 5 different angles and make his own call.
Because the call on the field stands more than not if it's a questionable/controversial call. The minute they called it a TD you just knew it wouldn't get overturned. That's why the call last week in the Jets game was so ridiculous. They overturned it without a shred of eveidence to do so.
The refs in this case had zero reason to call a TD under any circumstances. And they weren't about to overturn it based on the backlash from last weeks game. They went back to the ole "call on the field stands" cop out.
Quote:
total arbitrary bullshit. Makes zero sense. At no point did Richardson have possession - yet Shephard's 3 step catch isn't a TD because he lost the ball out of bounds. ASJ for the jets last week, no TD despite never actually fumbling.
Officiating is broken. Needs to change. Refs + Replay + Rules that make no sense = terrible product.
.
Add players kneeling for the national anthem and you see why ratings and attendance are tanking.
A lot of people are watching it on the internet. Neilson doesn't pick that up.
Seattle stinks. This performance today from the Giants was a fucking joke.
Seattle stinks. This performance today from the Giants was a fucking joke.
Russel Wilson is the entire difference. You put him on the Giants today and they would have won.
This officiating is driving people away from the game.
You notice Carroll is constantly working the Refs while
MacHandley stands like a emotionless tree stump .
Even early in the game there was a 1st down that looked like the ball hit the ground there was no stoppage and the shitty broadcast didn't even show a replay and the Hags rushed up
and got the play off . It's ruining the game its BS
They don't make the final call, but the initial call is even more important because it has to be clear with indisputable evidence to overturn it...a ref calling something to just say "fuck it, let the replay guy in NY sort it out" is still game-changing.
But keep worrying that it would have changed the outcome...and waste your evening...
I'd be worked up about it if nyg had a chance to win. They did not.
Routine bad call in today's NFL. Dime a dozen.
Yup. But once the call was made, I didn't expect it to be overturned. If they called it another way, that call probably wouldn't have been overturned either.
Seattle stinks. This performance today from the Giants was a fucking joke.
Well there are 6000 other threads discussing how bad the Giants suck. This thread the topic is the refs and the TD call. We all know the Giants suck. Just look around you. Thanks for letting us know though!
It looks incredibly bad because unless the ref calls it a TD immediately after both players go to the ground, how can the ref with any certainty declare it a TD well after Richardson's foot steps out of bounds? (and well after both players have already hit the ground)
Isn't the ability to decide a game by one person (not this game) in a private room hundreds of mikes away outside of the public view a little too much of a red flag for some of you? In a game where millions are at stake based on which teams win or lose on several fronts who thought this was a good idea?
I tried to raise hell about it when it was first announced but other than a cursory blurb on pft it just became a thing with no publicity or discussion and nobody here cared.
You don't understand the replay rule.
The initial call has priority; you must have indisputable evidence to overturn. I believe it is in the best interest of the sport that if the call is in doubt to call it initially in favor of what is PROBABLY correct and let NY overturn.
BTW, based only on radio commentary it sounds like it was a bad call from both the field and the replay.
- Two refs are standing right there waiting to see where possession ends up
- Once they have a visual on the possession, they award it the opposite of what they saw
- They signal TD as Collins holds the ball up
That's the TD call on the field.
We don't know what replay is looking at, but they missed:
- A bobble when the players hit the ground
- Richardson then attempting to gain possession while he has one and then a second foot hit out of bounds
- Collins maintain possession in the field of play without being out of bounds
- Ignoring the going to the ground rule where you must maintain possession throughout the catch
We probably won't ever understand why the call was what it was - which is exactly what got the replacement refs ousted.
The NFL has a huge problem, and it extends well past a shitty call between two bad teams.
Someone was in that one refs earpiece screaming "Call it a Touchdown!".
Never seen anything like it in well over 30 years of watching football.
Disgraceful.
The NFL needs to get back to basics with these calls. Last week a guy who ended up with the ball was ruled to have fumbled while this week a guy who didn't end up with the ball was said to have made a catch. Neither of these pass the common sense test.
Ageed!
My screed for several years has been they need full time refs and their role is to meet (virtually) and to review every controversial call the previous week under the supervision of an experienced supervisor (NOT named Baldino) and to agree on the correct call in that instance.
Quote:
they don't make the final call. They literally could call anything knowing the replay person in NY is going to make the final call. They mystery is why they fuss at all knowing it is going to be reviewed anyway. Would you feel better if they had just said fuck it and called it a TD right away?
You don't understand the replay rule.
The initial call has priority; you must have indisputable evidence to overturn. I believe it is in the best interest of the sport that if the call is in doubt to call it initially in favor of what is PROBABLY correct and let NY overturn.
BTW, based only on radio commentary it sounds like it was a bad call from both the field and the replay.
That's not how the replay rule has been implemented over the years. There have been legions of calls overturned with less than indisputable evidence. One such call last week in the same building. Countless other examples especially ones regarding end zone catches.
The defense seemed to "believe" in the first half and the offense added a TD.
Right or wrong that call took the steam out of the team (and the rest of the season).
On to next year.
There is so much fucking excuse making with this team.
Replacement refs who were looked at as incompetent boobs were thrown out over a similar call while even the broadcast announcers overlooked the severity of how poor a call it was and Lofton actually lauded Richardson for the amazing catch.
Terps - this isn't excuse making for the Giants - it is trying to point out a clear malfunction of the replay system and the weekly incompetence and inconsistencies we see as football fans.
At no point am I suggesting the Giants would have won, nor would that matter - the refs suck. Period. And it isn't getting better. and what got one group ousted won't even make it to Tuesday as a discussion.
These kind of egregious errors are being made continually, whether teams suck or not.