I have started to wonder if with the end of the Eli era now staring us in the face (and he will probably be around for another 20 starts) with this super bowl contender now relegated to bottom feeder with an overhaul needed.......
Will following the Giants be nearly as enjoyable for us fans who grew up with the team in the 80s and who witnessed the recent success?
I still bleed big blue but the NFL product is so bad I almost feel that there will never be a consistency like we saw with coughlin and parcels. That the team will now make itself over every few years (not exclusive to nyg-but a league wide phenomenon) and may never provide the familiarity we had with a group of players......
This disaster of a season has a lot to do with it, but I wonder if I will ever get into the team going forward as I used to. Wondering if others have had the same strange feeling.....
This year, I'm ok with doing things with the family while the game is on. Kohl's, honey? Sure. Costco? Why not? It just doesn't matter to me as much.
After Eli hangs 'em up, I've considered not following as closely. But we'll see if management shows us that they give a fuck.
They'll get us there again, eventually.
I don't know if we'll see a team like the 80s Giants who were almost always a top 5 team in the league. Nowadays you need a top QB or top defense and a shitty division. The NFC East has competent teams in it.
My issue is the NFL is just becoming unwatchable and a merry go round of players. I gave up on the Knicks because I found the NBA horrendous to watch and I wonder if I'll be as invested in nyg not because they are bad but because the league sucks.
The NFL overall seems harder to follow. I don't know if it's because the Giants losing has taken the fun out of it, but I have little interest in other games this year. They seem boring and full of poor, or seemingly rigged, officiating.
My issue is that I want actual turnover though. I don't want them scapegoating Coughlin, but keeping most of his key staff. I don't want Eli to hang for this season's sins, while McAdoo possibly sees a future here. I don't want a few no-name scouts fired, while Reese and Ross slip on through for more (I'd include Chris Mara in there, but as ownership's family, we're forever doomed to his involvement).
As a franchise, almost everything about them seems half-measured or built for excuses right now. It's frustrating and bleak in a way that goes way beyond just being a bad team (because I've rooted for plenty of those and I will in the future too) and I don't know how many seasons of feeling this way I can go through and still be as committed to them as I right now, have been throughout the years.
I hate when they are a lousy team and lose, but in reality it does make it that much more satisfying when they do rebuild and succeed once again. As a fan I enjoy being part of that journey, watching the games and seeing how it all unfolds. Watching who becomes the next great NY Giants of the future and watching they themselves become winners is half the fun.
So true it won't be the same, but really has it ever been for a long time fan of any team? And isn't that half the excitement? Need the valleys to truly appreciate the views from the peaks.
We who lived thru '64-'81 have tons of fan scars just hope we don't have a deja vu of that.At least not nearly that long. Good top to bottom management should expedite a return to success.
I know! If...!
I agree with you about the sport. I have lost a lot of interest in the NFL, but for me that is separate than following the team. I still love the Giants and will follow them faithfully because of my interest in them.
But I, too, wonder if the NFL is not in decline. Most of the ferocious hits that Taylor and friends made in the 80s would be illegal today, and it would be surprising it he evaded suspensions.
Can't really complain about steps taken to make the game less violent, given solid proof of the long term effects of hits to the head on players' brains. Maybe if there was a revolution in protective equipment. The current helmet and pads have been around a helluva long time. Can't someone come up with a helmet that protects the players' heads but is not a deadly weapon should it impact another player in a sensitive spot.
I can complain about all the reviews. Must be about one in three plays reviewed. A fan can't jump up and cheer when a great catch is made just as the receiver is being hit. First we go through review to see if in super slow motion the ball slipped two inches in his hands before he hit the ground. Senseless.
And the reviews don't end all controversy anyway, since they can only overturn a call on clear evidence, which often doesn't settle anything. And of course reviews do nothing to fix the worst penalty of all: pass interference.
I didn't even mind the unreviewed bad calls by the officials. Part of the game. Even out over time. But a see where others could differ.
almost every game I see some play that is just mind boggling. going into this week the JETS could have been in first and the pats last (hate them both) but it was the other way around because of the refs.
I hate what the Giants have become. A pathetic embarrassment and I can't imagine it ever improving to be what it once was.
That said watching the NFL in general may never be he same. Even at 11-5 last year I really didn't give a shit due to all the bullshit that was/is running rampant. It just isn't a league I invest in anymore. I'll always root for the Giants but I certainly don't root for the NFL and don't care at all what happens to it anymore.
are the ones NOT sympathetic to SJWs
But I will state this: Playing a lot of sports growing up, I wouldn't want teammates whose enthusiasm was so easily impacted by difficult times.
"Will it ever be the same"? Evidently not for you guys; too bad.
But when you look at the product of the NFL declining. The officiating. The continued manipulation to favor the offense. The concern over CTE and player safety.
It all adds up. And for me, it has become significantly harder to stay invested.
This year, I'm ok with doing things with the family while the game is on. Kohl's, honey? Sure. Costco? Why not? It just doesn't matter to me as much.
After Eli hangs 'em up, I've considered not following as closely. But we'll see if management shows us that they give a fuck.
Dude we all love the Giants and all were furious that day but you need to see a professional mental health expert if you almost hurt your kid after a loss. That isn't normal that you even considered that.
I think I'm just hanging on to see how Eli's career finishes and then I'm not sure I'll follow the Giants much at all.
It's finally sunk in after all these years that whether a bunch of strangers win or lose a game on TV, it has no bearing whatsoever on my life. I just grew out of it, I guess.
It s sports, it s a diversion. You like it or you don t.
It s not personal, some don t seem to understand that.
On the subject of the NFL product, my biggest issue is with the officiating. They have a tough job but boy are the calls inconsistent from game-to-game, week-to-week. All the other stuff doesnt bother me as much as it does some of you.
If your enthusiasm for the NFL remains the same then good for you. As FMIC said it has all added up for me.
But when you look at the product of the NFL declining. The officiating. The continued manipulation to favor the offense. The concern over CTE and player safety.
It all adds up. And for me, it has become significantly harder to stay invested.
For me once I had children I was never as invested emotionally in the wins and losses as I had previously been.
I still love the Giants and watch every game, but my perspective has changed.
But when you look at the product of the NFL declining. The officiating. The continued manipulation to favor the offense. The concern over CTE and player safety.
It all adds up. And for me, it has become significantly harder to stay invested.
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Yesterday was tough, in a new way, for me. Against the Broncos, the team went in 0-5 and while I actually thought it was a situation ripe for an upset (no logic there, just a gut after seeing a lot of strange things in sports for many decades), I started watching that game with no expectations, no emotion. As it went, though, I couldn't help but get excited. When it was over, it was as much a feeling of shock and relief as it was the usual good flow you get after a win.
I had no expectations coming into this one and when Seattle shredded the Giants, it was an eye-roller ... but the D kept hanging in there and at 7-3 by halftime, I was involved. Second half, you could feel it rolling out of control and there was no hope for the offense. Just not enough horses to beat those matchups.
For me, bottom line is that at 1-6, I'm still going to watch, because if nothing else, this is a connection to my Dad, and my son, and it's what we do. This is the team I grew up on, like a religion, and most of us have been through some really down times with the blue. So, I can't go shopping while the game is on. No pumpkin farm visits during that 3 or 4 hours.
But there's less emotion after. Last night, I watched a movie and had a few drinks, hung out with the family, and got to bed at a decent time. Happy to have the BYE week approaching, and I'm still conflicted about wanting another win? Or seeing it all come unraveled in the name of a potentially better draft pick. Just a crap-ass feeling.
I know that I don't like the way things have gone with some draft picks, and I'm not crazy about this head coach. I'm not yet willing to give up on McAdoo. He's had some challenges thrown in front of him, but it seems he's also been behind the 8-ball so far.
Sad that the Eli Era will soon come to a close. Soon, being next year or a few more. It'll have been the best ride of a Giants QB in my lifetime, so I will respect that. I'll hope for another great franchise-type QB right away, but the odds are against that guy measuring up to Eli over this span.
Just hoping for a few good picks ... a few better FA adds ... some health and a re-adjust. Already looking forward to next season. Still, I'll be watching the rest of this year, as painful as it may be. After all, can't enjoy the sweet without tasting the sour.
This pretty much nails it. Yesterday, my wife offered to do the cooking so I could watch the game. I thanked her and politely said I'd rather do the cooking instead of watching the game. Time is too precious to waster on crap.
We cut cable a few years ago and I now stream everything. The change in my viewership habits since we cut it have had a big impact on my attention level to the NFL. Having a TV on except for a very specific reasons is just not part of my family's lifestyle anymore.
Instead, I streamed the Giants loss late in the evening on accelerated replay (30 minutes) -- the game was so awful in terms of its level of play that I'm glad I didn't waste any more time on it. Then I checked some of the scores from other games and it literally looks like there are no very good teams in the NFL any more.
I know the last Super Bowl was memorable and great, but do you remember how there was not one honestly good and exciting game on in the wild card, divisionals and conf championships last season. I thought that fact was really notable. The product sucks.
throw in that most of the players just aren't very like-able (whether that be b/c of the kneeling, the off the field violence/incidents, the on field preening, etc)
and the announcing is unbearable in most cases...
it all adds up to an experience that just isn't that compelling, outside of whatever specific team you are invested in.
because I don't know what is happening now. We are coming up on the end of an Era. I don't know when its going to be legitimately better. Truthfully there is not a lot of talent on the bench either. Guys waiting behind a player to get the opportunity. The tank is empty!
What would be the point of doing that?
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directly on TV. Play the WS and playoff games directly opposite the NFL
What would be the point of doing that?
more viewrship, get out of the NFL shadow in SEP and OCT when it is prome baseball season.
We cut cable a few years ago and I now stream everything. The change in my viewership habits since we cut it have had a big impact on my attention level to the NFL. Having a TV on except for a very specific reasons is just not part of my family's lifestyle anymore.
Instead, I streamed the Giants loss late in the evening on accelerated replay (30 minutes) -- the game was so awful in terms of its level of play that I'm glad I didn't waste any more time on it. Then I checked some of the scores from other games and it literally looks like there are no very good teams in the NFL any more.
I know the last Super Bowl was memorable and great, but do you remember how there was not one honestly good and exciting game on in the wild card, divisionals and conf championships last season. I thought that fact was really notable. The product sucks.
I remember you saying that you were getting into soccer, and specifically the Champions League.
It's interesting to compare the Champions League to the NFL. The CL is comprised of teams that are basically uninhibited in their ability to spend money on players. The NFL has chosen parity instead.
The difference in the quality of play could not be more stark. The CL may be the highest level of play any team sport has seen in human history. The NFL has almost limitless resources and an enormous pool of incredible athletes, but the quality of play declines.
I thankfully missed the Yankee games as well.
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Beautiful October Sunday afternoon. The fact that the NFL was on barely registered.
We cut cable a few years ago and I now stream everything. The change in my viewership habits since we cut it have had a big impact on my attention level to the NFL. Having a TV on except for a very specific reasons is just not part of my family's lifestyle anymore.
Instead, I streamed the Giants loss late in the evening on accelerated replay (30 minutes) -- the game was so awful in terms of its level of play that I'm glad I didn't waste any more time on it. Then I checked some of the scores from other games and it literally looks like there are no very good teams in the NFL any more.
I know the last Super Bowl was memorable and great, but do you remember how there was not one honestly good and exciting game on in the wild card, divisionals and conf championships last season. I thought that fact was really notable. The product sucks.
I remember you saying that you were getting into soccer, and specifically the Champions League.
It's interesting to compare the Champions League to the NFL. The CL is comprised of teams that are basically uninhibited in their ability to spend money on players. The NFL has chosen parity instead.
The difference in the quality of play could not be more stark. The CL may be the highest level of play any team sport has seen in human history. The NFL has almost limitless resources and an enormous pool of incredible athletes, but the quality of play declines.
Interesting point. I've got to say, my interest in Soccer continues to grow. Despite it not being a sport I necessarily grew up with.
We cut cable a few years ago and I now stream everything. The change in my viewership habits since we cut it have had a big impact on my attention level to the NFL. Having a TV on except for a very specific reasons is just not part of my family's lifestyle anymore.
Instead, I streamed the Giants loss late in the evening on accelerated replay (30 minutes) -- the game was so awful in terms of its level of play that I'm glad I didn't waste any more time on it. Then I checked some of the scores from other games and it literally looks like there are no very good teams in the NFL any more.
I know the last Super Bowl was memorable and great, but do you remember how there was not one honestly good and exciting game on in the wild card, divisionals and conf championships last season. I thought that fact was really notable. The product sucks.
This mirrors my experience very closely. For the last couple years (if not a bit more), my sports-following experience has largely consisted of checking scores and stats on my phone app. The idea of sitting on the couch and watching an entire game in any sport these days (unless I'm watching one socially with others) just feels like a waste of time.
One exception -- I had been treating USMNT matches as "appointment TV," but their failure to qualify for the World Cup has soured me to them, too. I just don't see any sports that are worth a time commitment anymore.