I know he always puts on the happy face in public, but with this Defense there's no way they are a few breaks away from 3-4 or 4-3. They can't get off the field, even in the 1st quarter. Can't blame that on the offense.
make ok receivers look good. Eli has rarely done that. The constant lament during Eli's tenure is that he hasn't had many good - great WRs to throw to. there's always some sort of an excuse why Eli led teams haven't achieved better success. Still, this year, it's hard to expect 4th and 5th stringers to look anything like starters.
It's really too bad that so many receivers, and now OL, are out. It makes it difficult to evaluate how Eli is doing in his twilight years.
What's going through his head? I'm sure he's upset that so many team injuries are making it darn near impossible to make a comeback for the second half of the season, but he'll keep on doing his best. Any thoughts of retirement require data input that most fans have very limited access to so I can't even hazard a guess.
...pretty much speaks for itself. He looks beat, frustrated, and bewildered. He probably knows that no matter what he wants or believes, pro football is a business, and that any rebuild in the future isn't going to be around him. I'm sure he thinks of his brother and how the Colts sent him packing. Eli knows he will never thrive again unless he has an all-pro OL in from of him...and that isn't happening with the Giants.
this defense kept us in the game for three quarters.
The offense, for a lot of games over the last few years, routinely go 3 and out, putting the D right back in the game.
It's been a long time since this offense has routinely taken control when holding a lead. It's typically a lot of 3 and outs, putting the D back on the field. We blame the D a lot for an inability to hold a lead, but when they've been doing the lions share for keeping us in the game, sometimes they're so tuckered out, from the O going 3 and out for a lot of the game, it's hard to get too down on them.
The O has a lot of blame to face up to. With this O it takes a heroic effort on the part of the D to even sniff at the possibility of a W. that's been the case even before all the top half of the WR corp went down.
This was the reason he chose to come here and not San Diego Â
this defense kept us in the game for three quarters.
The offense, for a lot of games over the last few years, routinely go 3 and out, putting the D right back in the game.
It's been a long time since this offense has routinely taken control when holding a lead. It's typically a lot of 3 and outs, putting the D back on the field. We blame the D a lot for an inability to hold a lead, but when they've been doing the lions share for keeping us in the game, sometimes they're so tuckered out, from the O going 3 and out for a lot of the game, it's hard to get too down on them.
The O has a lot of blame to face up to. With this O it takes a heroic effort on the part of the D to even sniff at the possibility of a W. that's been the case even before all the top half of the WR corp went down.
They got couple of turnovers and drops. The numbers sadly don't corroborate your point
Eli's been let down by the coaches and front office since 2004, from phony tough guy Coughlin ignoring idiots like Plax, Shockey, and Beckham to the front office disaster since the 2011 Super Bowl.
One excellent team in 14 years, and that season was ruined by when a moron shot himself after years of being placated by the head coach and front office.
I don’t think it’s in Eli’s DNA to quit. I think he doubles down with the TEs and new WRs and finds a way to get a couple more wins in games this season we have no right winning, including an NFC East win.
is going to start off something like Red's monologue from Shawshank Redemption...
Morgan Freeman Narrator:
"I like to think the last thing that went through Eli Manning's head, other then that Defensive Ends helmet, was to wonder, how in the hell did Jerry Reese manage to screw this team up so badly???"
he is thinking about each week and thinking the offense can be fixed and he is part of the solution. He is thinking he needs an OL next year and at least 1 new RB (replacing Perkins).
However, the rest of the season and the Giants draft position may affect what is going on in the back of his mind. If they end up with a top 3 pick and intend to take a QB, he may really want to be traded. Or it may be in the Giants best interests to trade him (or do so after next season). The nature of the cap and rookie deals no longer allows for a supposed franchise QB to sit for 3 years. If they decide to go that route, they cut ties with him like the Giants did with Collins and then bring in another veteran for a 1 year job like they did with Warner.
I am going to most likely miss the playoffs in 8 of 10 years to finish my career and people still wondering about my HOF chances. Plus that $20 mil a year is great
He is not leaving that money on the table if he thinks he can still play. And the Giants will be a better team with Eli on the roster at least one more season.
Hot wife - check
Healthy kids - check
Money in the bank - check
A shit ton of money in the bank - check
Playing in the NFL and still have my health - check
Trophies in the trophy case - check
Life has been pretty good to Eli Manning so I don't know why we're worried about him. His career may not end the way we all wanted but he has given us a lot to be thankful for.
ah what the hell i'll do one more year for 20 mil Â
in the past several years, what Eli really thinks deep inside. I wonder if he looks at this team and this GM and says to himself "well, they really fucked up the best years of my career by giving me no Oline, no running game and for a few years no defense".
More likely, though, I think Eli is a good soldier and just takes things week by week and tries to do his best. It would be a stunner to the organization if Eli came out and blasted the moves this front office has made. If anything could possibly shake up ownership to make a change, Eli going public with his complaints might do it. It would be national news...not just New York.
But he just doesn't strike me as that type of guy...I think he just keeps plowing ahead...going to work and just doesn't get involved in those things. But I would love to know, especially if he talks with his old Oline buddies, what he really thinks. If he didn't want to go to San Diego because of their front office mess and yet stays silent on the current mess in our FO, I truly wonder why.
and then finally tells us what he thinks of what this front office did for him after the 2011 season....
He wouldn't, but an actually honest, sincere and open book from him about his career would be a great read.
Again, never would happen though. He wouldn't let anyone in that way, possibly backstab anyone (even if they'd deserve it), or potentially damage the Manning brand.
Eli is the cause for most of his problems. How many times has Eli thrown an interception or fumbled late in a game?
Early in his career this was acceptable, because the offense was more risk/reward.He is a 14 year vet, still screwing up the end of games, lately San Diego and Seattle. Don't even get me started about 2015.
Hopefully, he will see the end of the road. It is this year. He will not get better.
He is still making the same mistakes he did as a rookie. Go out with grace.
Eli is the cause for most of his problems. How many times has Eli thrown an interception or fumbled late in a game?
Early in his career this was acceptable, because the offense was more risk/reward.He is a 14 year vet, still screwing up the end of games, lately San Diego and Seattle. Don't even get me started about 2015.
Hopefully, he will see the end of the road. It is this year. He will not get better.
He is still making the same mistakes he did as a rookie. Go out with grace.
When Tom Brady throws an interception, is he making thes ame mistake he made as a rookie? All quarterbacks throw interceptions and have fumbles, it's not like Eli is the only guy out there.
Yes, Eli has plenty of blame to go his way for some very bad individual plays that wrecked games- especially in the time since his last Super Bowl appearance. There are also plenty of plays where the interception was a tip off of his WR's hands, or poor blocking resulted in a free rusher knocking the ball out of Eli's hands.
I mean, look at the OL he has in front of him and the wide receivers on the field right now. I'm not sure how much more you can realistically expect.
the field after another 3 and out. "Same formations 99.7% of the time. Poor play designs. Ya, our offense keeps opposing DCs awake at night- mostly because they are laughing their asses off all night seeing how easy it is to defend!"
but play like I am 40. The guy up I-95N is 40, but plays
like he is 36! Since I am starting to suck, maybe I should
think about retirement, like big 'bro.
the field after another 3 and out. "Same formations 99.7% of the time. Poor play designs. Ya, our offense keeps opposing DCs awake at night- mostly because they are laughing their asses off all night seeing how easy it is to defend!"
Good throws make it harder to defend, imo. He's missed a significant number of plays on bad over/under throws to WRs who beat coverage.
this defense kept us in the game for three quarters.
The offense, for a lot of games over the last few years, routinely go 3 and out, putting the D right back in the game.
It's been a long time since this offense has routinely taken control when holding a lead. It's typically a lot of 3 and outs, putting the D back on the field. We blame the D a lot for an inability to hold a lead, but when they've been doing the lions share for keeping us in the game, sometimes they're so tuckered out, from the O going 3 and out for a lot of the game, it's hard to get too down on them.
The O has a lot of blame to face up to. With this O it takes a heroic effort on the part of the D to even sniff at the possibility of a W. that's been the case even before all the top half of the WR corp went down.
You can't be fucking serious..maybe just another dimbulb...
You do realize without a running game its hard to hold a lead...?
They can pressure with 4 so that leaves 7 in coverage virtually all game...
And he has had historically bad defenses for much of his career...
Eli is the cause for most of his problems. How many times has Eli thrown an interception or fumbled late in a game?
Early in his career this was acceptable, because the offense was more risk/reward.He is a 14 year vet, still screwing up the end of games, lately San Diego and Seattle. Don't even get me started about 2015.
Hopefully, he will see the end of the road. It is this year. He will not get better.
He is still making the same mistakes he did as a rookie. Go out with grace.
Thanks...hopefully Eli reads this...advice like this is priceless especially coming from a HOF athlete like yourself...
This is what is so great about this place...experts like you with extensive knowledge of football, sports and well life in general...
RE: As a side note I can't think of one team that would want Â
Eli and his 20 million dollar contract. There is no future with him. He likely hopes to play out his deal with the Giants and retire.
It is not a $20MM/yr contract. The signing bonus pushes his cap hit to $22MM and $23MM for 2018 and 2019. But his salary and bonuses for 2018 is $16MM and $17MM for 2019. If he were to be traded, we get to eat the signing bonus. The new team would only be on the hook for his salary/bonus structure for 2018 and 2019. Now, people can argue whether they think he is worth $16MM/yr, but when the likes of Glennon sign for $14MM/yr, I suspect Eli getting paid $16MM looks alot better for a contender. Besides, he has a NTC and has no incentive to waive it. If the Giants release him before his roster bonus is due next year, then they can save the salary/bonus and designate him as a June 1st cut spreading the cap hit over 2 years.
It's really too bad that so many receivers, and now OL, are out. It makes it difficult to evaluate how Eli is doing in his twilight years.
What's going through his head? I'm sure he's upset that so many team injuries are making it darn near impossible to make a comeback for the second half of the season, but he'll keep on doing his best. Any thoughts of retirement require data input that most fans have very limited access to so I can't even hazard a guess.
and this wins!
"No trade clause? What no trade clause."
The offense, for a lot of games over the last few years, routinely go 3 and out, putting the D right back in the game.
It's been a long time since this offense has routinely taken control when holding a lead. It's typically a lot of 3 and outs, putting the D back on the field. We blame the D a lot for an inability to hold a lead, but when they've been doing the lions share for keeping us in the game, sometimes they're so tuckered out, from the O going 3 and out for a lot of the game, it's hard to get too down on them.
The O has a lot of blame to face up to. With this O it takes a heroic effort on the part of the D to even sniff at the possibility of a W. that's been the case even before all the top half of the WR corp went down.
The offense, for a lot of games over the last few years, routinely go 3 and out, putting the D right back in the game.
It's been a long time since this offense has routinely taken control when holding a lead. It's typically a lot of 3 and outs, putting the D back on the field. We blame the D a lot for an inability to hold a lead, but when they've been doing the lions share for keeping us in the game, sometimes they're so tuckered out, from the O going 3 and out for a lot of the game, it's hard to get too down on them.
The O has a lot of blame to face up to. With this O it takes a heroic effort on the part of the D to even sniff at the possibility of a W. that's been the case even before all the top half of the WR corp went down.
They got couple of turnovers and drops. The numbers sadly don't corroborate your point
One excellent team in 14 years, and that season was ruined by when a moron shot himself after years of being placated by the head coach and front office.
I don’t think it’s in Eli’s DNA to quit. I think he doubles down with the TEs and new WRs and finds a way to get a couple more wins in games this season we have no right winning, including an NFC East win.
Morgan Freeman Narrator:
"I like to think the last thing that went through Eli Manning's head, other then that Defensive Ends helmet, was to wonder, how in the hell did Jerry Reese manage to screw this team up so badly???"
I agree. I think that's exactly the way his mind is working right now. He's as professional as you'll ever find.
However, the rest of the season and the Giants draft position may affect what is going on in the back of his mind. If they end up with a top 3 pick and intend to take a QB, he may really want to be traded. Or it may be in the Giants best interests to trade him (or do so after next season). The nature of the cap and rookie deals no longer allows for a supposed franchise QB to sit for 3 years. If they decide to go that route, they cut ties with him like the Giants did with Collins and then bring in another veteran for a 1 year job like they did with Warner.
Hot wife - check
Healthy kids - check
Money in the bank - check
A shit ton of money in the bank - check
Playing in the NFL and still have my health - check
Trophies in the trophy case - check
Life has been pretty good to Eli Manning so I don't know why we're worried about him. His career may not end the way we all wanted but he has given us a lot to be thankful for.
Denver might be a good place to work ....
More likely, though, I think Eli is a good soldier and just takes things week by week and tries to do his best. It would be a stunner to the organization if Eli came out and blasted the moves this front office has made. If anything could possibly shake up ownership to make a change, Eli going public with his complaints might do it. It would be national news...not just New York.
But he just doesn't strike me as that type of guy...I think he just keeps plowing ahead...going to work and just doesn't get involved in those things. But I would love to know, especially if he talks with his old Oline buddies, what he really thinks. If he didn't want to go to San Diego because of their front office mess and yet stays silent on the current mess in our FO, I truly wonder why.
He wouldn't, but an actually honest, sincere and open book from him about his career would be a great read.
Again, never would happen though. He wouldn't let anyone in that way, possibly backstab anyone (even if they'd deserve it), or potentially damage the Manning brand.
Early in his career this was acceptable, because the offense was more risk/reward.He is a 14 year vet, still screwing up the end of games, lately San Diego and Seattle. Don't even get me started about 2015.
Hopefully, he will see the end of the road. It is this year. He will not get better.
He is still making the same mistakes he did as a rookie. Go out with grace.
Early in his career this was acceptable, because the offense was more risk/reward.He is a 14 year vet, still screwing up the end of games, lately San Diego and Seattle. Don't even get me started about 2015.
Hopefully, he will see the end of the road. It is this year. He will not get better.
He is still making the same mistakes he did as a rookie. Go out with grace.
When Tom Brady throws an interception, is he making thes ame mistake he made as a rookie? All quarterbacks throw interceptions and have fumbles, it's not like Eli is the only guy out there.
Yes, Eli has plenty of blame to go his way for some very bad individual plays that wrecked games- especially in the time since his last Super Bowl appearance. There are also plenty of plays where the interception was a tip off of his WR's hands, or poor blocking resulted in a free rusher knocking the ball out of Eli's hands.
I mean, look at the OL he has in front of him and the wide receivers on the field right now. I'm not sure how much more you can realistically expect.
like he is 36! Since I am starting to suck, maybe I should
think about retirement, like big 'bro.
pass pressure
Good throws make it harder to defend, imo. He's missed a significant number of plays on bad over/under throws to WRs who beat coverage.
The offense, for a lot of games over the last few years, routinely go 3 and out, putting the D right back in the game.
It's been a long time since this offense has routinely taken control when holding a lead. It's typically a lot of 3 and outs, putting the D back on the field. We blame the D a lot for an inability to hold a lead, but when they've been doing the lions share for keeping us in the game, sometimes they're so tuckered out, from the O going 3 and out for a lot of the game, it's hard to get too down on them.
The O has a lot of blame to face up to. With this O it takes a heroic effort on the part of the D to even sniff at the possibility of a W. that's been the case even before all the top half of the WR corp went down.
You can't be fucking serious..maybe just another dimbulb...
You do realize without a running game its hard to hold a lead...?
They can pressure with 4 so that leaves 7 in coverage virtually all game...
And he has had historically bad defenses for much of his career...
Early in his career this was acceptable, because the offense was more risk/reward.He is a 14 year vet, still screwing up the end of games, lately San Diego and Seattle. Don't even get me started about 2015.
Hopefully, he will see the end of the road. It is this year. He will not get better.
He is still making the same mistakes he did as a rookie. Go out with grace.
Thanks...hopefully Eli reads this...advice like this is priceless especially coming from a HOF athlete like yourself...
This is what is so great about this place...experts like you with extensive knowledge of football, sports and well life in general...
It is not a $20MM/yr contract. The signing bonus pushes his cap hit to $22MM and $23MM for 2018 and 2019. But his salary and bonuses for 2018 is $16MM and $17MM for 2019. If he were to be traded, we get to eat the signing bonus. The new team would only be on the hook for his salary/bonus structure for 2018 and 2019. Now, people can argue whether they think he is worth $16MM/yr, but when the likes of Glennon sign for $14MM/yr, I suspect Eli getting paid $16MM looks alot better for a contender. Besides, he has a NTC and has no incentive to waive it. If the Giants release him before his roster bonus is due next year, then they can save the salary/bonus and designate him as a June 1st cut spreading the cap hit over 2 years.