hypothetical question. But I am reading on Twitter that Darnold is electing to stay in college for next season. No way do we pass the Browns for the #1 and im sure they are hot for a QB. So if they take Rosen #1 what other qb coming out is top 5 worthy?
I know, I know.. alot can change between now and then. Just a fan talking fan stuff before someone decides to diss my thread. (lol) imagine, apologizing in advance about a post. BBI made me skittish.
I'm not too worried yet. A lot of players in the middle of a season say they're staying and then declare anyway. I think the goal is to get top 3 and hope that one of Rosen/Darnold/Barkley are there for the picking.
Hopefully we get a new front office
We should be taking the best player regardless of position in every round. The draft is for adding talent year to year...not for finding saviors.
I'm not sure I'd want to draft him even if he came out of school this year. He hasn't been all that good. Several QB's who are likely going to be in this draft have been more impressive.
The comparison is way off.
And Giants could always take Barkley or trade down. And take someone like McGlinchey.
3)As mentioned, I had the Giants trade up for a quarterback three weeks ago. They no longer have to do that, as they can pick the California signal-caller the Browns don't want.
Eli Manning turns 37 in January, and he's in obvious decline. The Giants will likely have a new front office, so they'll want their own franchise quarterback.
Josh Rosen was once the projected No. 1 overall pick in the 2018 NFL Draft, but he's been passed by Sam Darnold, and maybe even Lamar Jackson. NFL coaches and owners are wary of the sort of things Rosen has discussed to the media, and his open views could hurt him. Scouts have told us that his teammates don't like him either, so that's a major strike against him. And for the cherry on top, even if his high school coach criticized him. However, Rosen's epic comeback against Texas A&M almost certainly has helped repair his draft stock a bit.
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That seals it - Stan thinks he's coming out, so he's definitely staying...
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That seals it - Stan thinks he's coming out, so he's definitely staying...
Speedy! Where have you been? I missed you. Tiger ready to tee it up again? I hear he soooo close with his 53rd swing...
Get that bookend 10 year LT. Or Barkley. Or whoever you feel is worth the 3rd pick.
In 1996, the Ravens selected Jonathan Ogden after a dreadful season. Who was protecting Dilfer's blind side when they won the Super Bowl 4 years later?
The Giants suck and it won't be a 1 or 2 year rebuilding process. Need good players.
4 – Oklahoma State seems to have a problem (in tight games) putting the game in the hands of their pro talented quarterback? He reminds me of Blaine Gabbert/Andrew Luck
5 – Penn St Trace McSorley reminds me of Bills Tyrod Taylor. I doubt anyone will ever be impressed with his practices but the kid sure does know “HOW” to play the quarterback position in a game and has a high football IQ.
6 – So impressed with Syracuse Quarterback junior Eric Dungey and his leadership skills and ability to put his team on his back in spite of personally not have a very good passing day. After throwing 4 interceptions in the 1st half, Eric decides that if the passing game isn’t working he will just use his legs and almost single handily beats Miami. Usually he is very accurate passer with a pro potential arm but I give him credit for using whatever talents he had to lead his team all game long under adverse situations. If Eric comes out early I would consider him as one of the top QB’s in this upcoming draft. Granted he’s developmental but there is a lot to work with, as much talent as Carson Wentz.
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3 –Wyoming QB Josh Allen reminds me a lot of a young John Elway. When comparing both college stats, there is an eerie similarity.
4 – Oklahoma State seems to have a problem (in tight games) putting the game in the hands of their pro talented quarterback? He reminds me of Blaine Gabbert/Andrew Luck
5 – Penn St Trace McSorley reminds me of Bills Tyrod Taylor. I doubt anyone will ever be impressed with his practices but the kid sure does know “HOW” to play the quarterback position in a game and has a high football IQ.
6 – So impressed with Syracuse Quarterback junior Eric Dungey and his leadership skills and ability to put his team on his back in spite of personally not have a very good passing day. After throwing 4 interceptions in the 1st half, Eric decides that if the passing game isn’t working he will just use his legs and almost single handily beats Miami. Usually he is very accurate passer with a pro potential arm but I give him credit for using whatever talents he had to lead his team all game long under adverse situations. If Eric comes out early I would consider him as one of the top QB’s in this upcoming draft. Granted he’s developmental but there is a lot to work with, as much talent as Carson Wentz.
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I see the Elway comparisons with Allen. He can also flick the ball with his wrist like Marino.
Which scares me.
There are 2 solid tackles and a top notch RB available. I would stay away from QB and let Eli play out his contract and hope we can build the line and/or RB .
With that said my favorite is L.Jackson. I think he will bring excitement and a new approach to the offense
Rosen had a horrible game recently. He's still a great QB. These are 20 year old kids.
Might be replacing 2.
I've seen 3 games and he's sucked in each one.
Like Peyton Manning? Or Darnold's fellow Trojan Matt Leinart?
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
Barkley
Jackson.
People will compare Jackson to RG3 or whatever, but the kid's potential is freightening.
I'd be fine when any of those guys in Top 3.
The smart play would be to trade down with a team like Buffalo. They stockpiled picks so they could have the ammo to move up for the QB they want this year.
The problem with this team is the inability to hit on anything after the second round. Might as well trade down with Buffalo for 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and a 1/2 in ‘19 — that would give the FO the assets to rebuild the OL, add another pass rusher, and add a true playmaking LB. Hell, there’s a decent chance they could trade down and still get Rudolph if they really want a QB.
We should be taking the best player regardless of position in every round. The draft is for adding talent year to year...not for finding saviors.
They went into the draft in 2004 looking for a QB and it worked out pretty well.
If you don't have a quarterback, you're not going to win in this league. We're going to need one relatively shortly here.
I agree with picking best player regardless of position, but only if you have a QB already on the roster for the long term
Was it a red flag for you when Peyton Manning did it?
By that time, Eli will be an invalid and they will need a new QB.
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That seals it - Stan thinks he's coming out, so he's definitely staying...
Speedy! Where have you been? I missed you. Tiger ready to tee it up again? I hear he soooo close with his 53rd swing...
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Like Peyton Manning? Or Darnold's fellow Trojan Matt Leinart?
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
No. No he doesn’t.
If the Giants are picking high and no QB appeals, they'll go BPA. At that point, hope for a DE or LT to rise to the grade.
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3)As mentioned, I had the Giants trade up for a quarterback three weeks ago. They no longer have to do that, as they can pick the California signal-caller the Browns don't want.
Eli Manning turns 37 in January, and he's in obvious decline. The Giants will likely have a new front office, so they'll want their own franchise quarterback.
Josh Rosen was once the projected No. 1 overall pick in the 2018 NFL Draft, but he's been passed by Sam Darnold, and maybe even Lamar Jackson. NFL coaches and owners are wary of the sort of things Rosen has discussed to the media, and his open views could hurt him. Scouts have told us that his teammates don't like him either, so that's a major strike against him. And for the cherry on top, even if his high school coach criticized him. However, Rosen's epic comeback against Texas A&M almost certainly has helped repair his draft stock a bit.
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This does not sound like a guy I want on the Giants. What are his open views he discussed with the media?
Tailbacks tend to have short careers, a top notch QB is required.
Rosen doesn't sound like a Giant type of QB and after being burned with Wilson and the risk of taking RBs high, I don't see them going after Barkley. May as well shore up the offensive line and/or lock up a disruptor on the defensive line.
At this point, from what I've read and seen, I think I'd prefer Rosen over Darnold, but I don't really know enough yet to be solid on that. The Giants should definitely get Accorsi's opinion on these QBs.
I DO think that in this lost season, it is the perfect opportunity for the Giants to get Eli's replacement and let him sit for a year or two like Aaron Rodgers. Phase Eli into being the best backup in the league.
Be nice if they had a top 3 pick and didn't have to trade up too far to get one of these guys, but I'm sure they'll win just enough to screw that up.
At this point, from what I've read and seen, I think I'd prefer Rosen over Darnold, but I don't really know enough yet to be solid on that. The Giants should definitely get Accorsi's opinion on these QBs.
Isn't that what we are already doing with Webb?
I DO think that in this lost season, it is the perfect opportunity for the Giants to get Eli's replacement and let him sit for a year or two like Aaron Rodgers. Phase Eli into being the best backup in the league.
Be nice if they had a top 3 pick and didn't have to trade up too far to get one of these guys, but I'm sure they'll win just enough to screw that up.
Or put another way, having Webb should not preclude the Giants from taking Darnold or Rosen or any potential Franchise QB the like if they have the opportunity to do so.
Or put another way, having Webb should not preclude the Giants from taking Darnold or Rosen or any potential Franchise QB the like if they have the opportunity to do so.
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Or put another way, having Webb should not preclude the Giants from taking Darnold or Rosen or any potential Franchise QB the like if they have the opportunity to do so.
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Key words being "they like." Which might not exist in any given draft (including this one).
So if you have the 3rd or 4th pick as the Giants likely will, do you reach and take a Sam Bradford or Brady Quinn or Jimmy Clausen or Colt McCoy or do you take Trent Williams and solidify LT for the next 10 years?
A well known truism worth repeating: the draft is meant to build a team. Patching holes is what Free Agency is for.
If QB value looks iffy, skip it like you would any other position.
Or put another way, having Webb should not preclude the Giants from taking Darnold or Rosen or any potential Franchise QB the like if they have the opportunity to do so.
According to who? His senior stats are going to be superior than all of these guys except possibly Rosen. My point is the Giants have Webb, he's been in the system for 1 year, and he has the size and skillset you look for. If the Giants don't take a long look at this guy before making a draft decision that would be very irresponsible. If they like him, and think he could follow Eli, then draft a OL/RB/etc. If not then draft a #1 QB. However to just not give him some type of chance, solely because we got a steal on him in Rd 3, is dumb.
Every draft there are these "franchise" QB's, and in like any other position 60% don't pan out. Who knows if we draft someone they will be any better than Webb? Not you or me? The Giants need to find out what they have before moving forward.
So yes, if they think Webb can be the guy, then having him does preclude us from rolling the dice on a QB in Rd 1.
"Rosen — this is a tough one. I'm not sure a lot of teams are going to be crazy about him after this year. He hasn't handled the spotlight well. You want maturity from a quarterback. I still think Andrew Luck was that prototypical guy a few years back, Deshaun Watson this past draft. They were poised and polished. (Rosen's) comments on school were worrisome. If he thinks he has to study now in college, in the NFL that workload is triple."
Doesn't sound like he is a "study" kind of guy.
There are a couple. Key and McGlinchey will probably be top 10 picks.
As a pro prospect, Darnold's ceiling is much higher.
Paterson - that's interesting....I also seem to remember scouts saying that Goff and Wentz wouldn't be even considered top 10, but because they were the only guys.....well, they moved up.
You say you liked Wentz...was that highlight film or did you actually see games? I ask, because not sure how much he was spotlighted on TV.
"Rosen — this is a tough one. I'm not sure a lot of teams are going to be crazy about him after this year. He hasn't handled the spotlight well. You want maturity from a quarterback. I still think Andrew Luck was that prototypical guy a few years back, Deshaun Watson this past draft. They were poised and polished. (Rosen's) comments on school were worrisome. If he thinks he has to study now in college, in the NFL that workload is triple."
Doesn't sound like he is a "study" kind of guy.
I read the quotes from Rosen and there is nothing wrong with what he said. It doesn't demonstrate immaturity, nor does it demonstrate a poor work ethic. It merely shows a willingness to speak his mind about something of which he is very knowledgeable.
p.s.--Show me someone who doesn't agree with what he said.
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Just read an article where an unnamed NFL GM said the following:
"Rosen — this is a tough one. I'm not sure a lot of teams are going to be crazy about him after this year. He hasn't handled the spotlight well. You want maturity from a quarterback. I still think Andrew Luck was that prototypical guy a few years back, Deshaun Watson this past draft. They were poised and polished. (Rosen's) comments on school were worrisome. If he thinks he has to study now in college, in the NFL that workload is triple."
Doesn't sound like he is a "study" kind of guy.
I don't think Rosen has a problem studying. He wouldn't've chosen UCLA if that were the case.
I read the quotes from Rosen and there is nothing wrong with what he said. It doesn't demonstrate immaturity, nor does it demonstrate a poor work ethic. It merely shows a willingness to speak his mind about something of which he is very knowledgeable.
p.s.--Show me someone who doesn't agree with what he said.
If anything, it demonstrates maturity. But many football people with a narrow "jock" mentality don't get it.
Then draft
OL
LB
OL
LB
RB
If there is no franchise QB in this draft, try to trade down and accumulate as many assets as possible for 2018 so you can make moves there for the franchise QB. Dont stop until you have that guy.