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By James Kratch | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com It's October 27, and the latest Mel Kiper big board is the most exciting thing that happened to the Giants on their bye week. Such is life during this lost season that, amazingly, still has nine games left to go. The draft-industrial complex is going to start cranking for the Giants much earlier than usual. They are 1-6 and appear destined for a top pick in the 2018 NFL Draft - perhaps even the No. 1 pick. With that in mind, here are six Giants takeaways from Kiper's latest ESPN big board ranking what he believes are the best 25 prospects who could be in the draft: - more - |
jcn -- I keep Flowers -- but Mike McGlinchey looks like an industrial strength lineman at 6'8" 315 lbs and able to play effectively, with production to prove it, on both sides of the line. He's good feet, quickness, and great athleticism.
Yep.
Who can they get in FA?
Uhh no thanks...
Hard part is going to make him go thru his reads first before he takes off... I think thats the biggest question mark... once again, im no expert...Just a fan...
I agree wholeheartldy with this.. I think we need to see what Webb has.
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even with a trade down. They have to get one of the QB's in the 1st round and then address the offensive line in the 2nd round and in FA.
Who can they get in FA?
Here are a few FA offensive linemen that might interest the Giants:
LT Nate Solder, G Shawn Lauvao, RT Garry Gilliam, G Jack Mewhort, C Daniel Kilgore, G Dakota Dozier, and OT Seantrel Henderson
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In comment 13666948 Jay on the Island said:
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even with a trade down. They have to get one of the QB's in the 1st round and then address the offensive line in the 2nd round and in FA.
Who can they get in FA?
Here are a few FA offensive linemen that might interest the Giants:
LT Nate Solder, G Shawn Lauvao, RT Garry Gilliam, G Jack Mewhort, C Daniel Kilgore, G Dakota Dozier, and OT Seantrel Henderson
All of those guys have a ton of warts.
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Just because he fell to us in the 3rd does not mean he can't be the guy. His college stats are now looking like they will be better than all these guys in the draft are, he has the size and skills. We need to see what we have there before spending another top draft choice on another QB to sit behind Eli. We have a lot of other issues to address. If Webb can play, then we can draft a OL or RB, and have our cake and eat it too (so to speak).
I agree wholeheartldy with this.. I think we need to see what Webb has.
We have to play him this season, even if its the second half
I am not dismissive of Webb at all. Teams are rarely in position to take a franchise QB so when you get the chance you have to take it. What if the Giants take Barkley or another position and Webb is NOT the answer? They just wasted a rare opportunity to find a successor in a very strong QB class. Best case scenario is that Webb develops into a starting caliber QB then the Giants have a great backup for two years who they could trade before his rookie contract is up. We have been blessed that Eli has never missed a game but a new QB will likely miss some games here and there so having Webb as a backup would be very valuable.
Is Reese still the GM and running the draft, or is there a new GM. Does the new GM like Webb or one of the guys coming out in 2018?
what about the HC - do we have a new one or is McAdoo still here?
we are trying to make predictions based on management tendencies yet those managers may not even be here by the 2018 draft (hope, hope)
"If Webb can play." If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. You're going to pass on a top of the draft QB on an "if"?
Kind of like how the Chargers took Tomlinson in the 1st and Brees in the 2nd.
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In comment 13666948 Jay on the Island said:
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even with a trade down. They have to get one of the QB's in the 1st round and then address the offensive line in the 2nd round and in FA.
Who can they get in FA?
Here are a few FA offensive linemen that might interest the Giants:
LT Nate Solder, G Shawn Lauvao, RT Garry Gilliam, G Jack Mewhort, C Daniel Kilgore, G Dakota Dozier, and OT Seantrel Henderson
All of those guys have a ton of warts.
Maybe but are they any better than what we have?
Can't really justify any other player/position as the value, right now, won't be there.
If they win a few more games than currently expected, like 5 or 6, then the OT's come into play as they drop out of the top 5.
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In comment 13666948 Jay on the Island said:
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even with a trade down. They have to get one of the QB's in the 1st round and then address the offensive line in the 2nd round and in FA.
Who can they get in FA?
Here are a few FA offensive linemen that might interest the Giants:
LT Nate Solder, G Shawn Lauvao, RT Garry Gilliam, G Jack Mewhort, C Daniel Kilgore, G Dakota Dozier, and OT Seantrel Henderson
I'd pass on every one of those guys.
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In comment 13666953 WillVAB said:
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In comment 13666948 Jay on the Island said:
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even with a trade down. They have to get one of the QB's in the 1st round and then address the offensive line in the 2nd round and in FA.
Who can they get in FA?
Here are a few FA offensive linemen that might interest the Giants:
LT Nate Solder, G Shawn Lauvao, RT Garry Gilliam, G Jack Mewhort, C Daniel Kilgore, G Dakota Dozier, and OT Seantrel Henderson
All of those guys have a ton of warts.
I am not saying that they are stars but a few of them would be upgrades over Jerry. Kilgore could provide depth at C if Richburg leaves.
I think we are going to see exactly that. I am hoping for Mayfield in the 1st and G/C Price in the 2nd.
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Just because he fell to us in the 3rd does not mean he can't be the guy. His college stats are now looking like they will be better than all these guys in the draft are, he has the size and skills. We need to see what we have there before spending another top draft choice on another QB to sit behind Eli. We have a lot of other issues to address. If Webb can play, then we can draft a OL or RB, and have our cake and eat it too (so to speak).
"If Webb can play." If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. You're going to pass on a top of the draft QB on an "if"?
Anybody we draft will be an "if". Just because some publications/analysts think a college senior is a "Franchise NFL" QB doesn't mean they are. In fact every year there are more "franchise" QB's coming out. It sells clicks, but no one really knows. Leaf, Couch, RG3, Manual, etc., etc. There are lots. Then you have guys like Watson, Trubisky, and Kizer who people said weren't that good, and guess what they are starting now.
Bottom line its a crap shoot, just like with other positions you don't know. My point is right now we have our own talented "crap shoot" in Webb so why get another. I'd go the PSU running back or OL, and give Webb a chance to see if the coaching staff thinks he can do it.
If he can't then guess what, there will be more "franchise QB's " coming out in 2019.
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I think we are going to see exactly that. I am hoping for Mayfield in the 1st and G/C Price in the 2nd.
Mayfield will be a 2nd possibly 3rd rounder..why the hell would we reach when we can take barkley and get mayfield in a later round?
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Just because he fell to us in the 3rd does not mean he can't be the guy. His college stats are now looking like they will be better than all these guys in the draft are, he has the size and skills. We need to see what we have there before spending another top draft choice on another QB to sit behind Eli. We have a lot of other issues to address. If Webb can play, then we can draft a OL or RB, and have our cake and eat it too (so to speak).
"If Webb can play." If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. You're going to pass on a top of the draft QB on an "if"?
Anybody we draft will be an "if". Just because some publications/analysts think a college senior is a "Franchise NFL" QB doesn't mean they are. In fact every year there are more "franchise" QB's coming out. It sells clicks, but no one really knows. Leaf, Couch, RG3, Manual, etc., etc. There are lots. Then you have guys like Watson, Trubisky, and Kizer who people said weren't that good, and guess what they are starting now.
Bottom line its a crap shoot, just like with other positions you don't know. My point is right now we have our own talented "crap shoot" in Webb so why get another. I'd go the PSU running back or OL, and give Webb a chance to see if the coaching staff thinks he can do it.
If he can't then guess what, there will be more "franchise QB's " coming out in 2019.
If Webb was as "talented" as, say, Rosen, he would have been the third pick rather than being taken in the third round.
This is a failure to understand how the draft is utilized.
Take the FA money, use it on a couple of FA OL, hope you're better at pro personnel scouting than draft OL.
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a qb high in the 1sr round and he has to play behind that oline he will get beat up and everyone will be jumping on the he is a bust wagon. Fix the oline, look what a good oline f doing for Prescott with the cowturds!
This is a failure to understand how the draft is utilized.
Agreed
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Kind of like how the Chargers took Tomlinson in the 1st and Brees in the 2nd.
This would be ideal. Add OL through FA.
Since FA starts before the draft, I could see this.
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Just because he fell to us in the 3rd does not mean he can't be the guy. His college stats are now looking like they will be better than all these guys in the draft are, he has the size and skills. We need to see what we have there before spending another top draft choice on another QB to sit behind Eli. We have a lot of other issues to address. If Webb can play, then we can draft a OL or RB, and have our cake and eat it too (so to speak).
"If Webb can play." If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. You're going to pass on a top of the draft QB on an "if"?
Anybody we draft will be an "if". Just because some publications/analysts think a college senior is a "Franchise NFL" QB doesn't mean they are. In fact every year there are more "franchise" QB's coming out. It sells clicks, but no one really knows. Leaf, Couch, RG3, Manual, etc., etc. There are lots. Then you have guys like Watson, Trubisky, and Kizer who people said weren't that good, and guess what they are starting now.
Bottom line its a crap shoot, just like with other positions you don't know. My point is right now we have our own talented "crap shoot" in Webb so why get another. I'd go the PSU running back or OL, and give Webb a chance to see if the coaching staff thinks he can do it.
If he can't then guess what, there will be more "franchise QB's " coming out in 2019.
If Webb was as "talented" as, say, Rosen, he would have been the third pick rather than being taken in the third round.
Thats a very naive view. Every draft in recorded history shows that a guy taken in rd1 isnt necessarily better then guys in later rounds. These are 20 yr olds. If this was an automatic conclusion then Leinert should be in the HOF and Sanchez a perennial All Pro, since they were both #1 choices out of USC and cant miss guys.
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In comment 13666961 PatersonPlank said:
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Just because he fell to us in the 3rd does not mean he can't be the guy. His college stats are now looking like they will be better than all these guys in the draft are, he has the size and skills. We need to see what we have there before spending another top draft choice on another QB to sit behind Eli. We have a lot of other issues to address. If Webb can play, then we can draft a OL or RB, and have our cake and eat it too (so to speak).
"If Webb can play." If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. You're going to pass on a top of the draft QB on an "if"?
Anybody we draft will be an "if". Just because some publications/analysts think a college senior is a "Franchise NFL" QB doesn't mean they are. In fact every year there are more "franchise" QB's coming out. It sells clicks, but no one really knows. Leaf, Couch, RG3, Manual, etc., etc. There are lots. Then you have guys like Watson, Trubisky, and Kizer who people said weren't that good, and guess what they are starting now.
Bottom line its a crap shoot, just like with other positions you don't know. My point is right now we have our own talented "crap shoot" in Webb so why get another. I'd go the PSU running back or OL, and give Webb a chance to see if the coaching staff thinks he can do it.
If he can't then guess what, there will be more "franchise QB's " coming out in 2019.
- Quarterbacks fly up the charts. Look at last year, a week before the draft there was a question whether the Giants had their spot in the draft would have the choice of all QB's. Look what really happened. This is not an outlier, every year it happens.
- We will not know what we have in Webb. He was supposed to be redshirted and got almost no snaps in camp. He would be running behind a historically bad offense.
- I think Webb was hurt by the fact that Goff looked awful last year. He probably is drafted earlier if not for Goff and the system offense.
I wouldn't draft anybody else besides a QB or Barkley.
- You can draft Barkley and with ODB and a functional line. Webb probably would suffice next year or definitely in 2.
- If you are absolutely convinced that you have a franchise quarterback, you don't look back.
- If you aren't convinced and don't have the luxury to draft Barkley, I would trade down and get a slew of picks. I probably parlay one of them into next years (2019) and pick a QB again to hedge your bets.
Positions broadly are 2xG,C,T, DT again, LB, RB and maybe even QB.
Trading down opens all those up greatly.
As Jon C said, the Giants will have a better sense of what they have in Webb and how he compares to this years crop. Rosen strikes me as the anti- Eli, at least in terms of character and that scares me. Is he the next Ryan Leaf?
If I was GM, I'd probably take Barkley and use the next two rounds on the OL. Then again that's why I'm not the GM.
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and then maybe one of the QBs a rung below (e.g. Mayfield) in the second?
Kind of like how the Chargers took Tomlinson in the 1st and Brees in the 2nd.
This would be ideal. Add OL through FA.
The supply and demand for OL in free agency has exploded to where guys who are slightly above average are being paid top dollar because the draft is not producing enough of them into the league at the moment.
This is why Pugh will get top money even if he isn't a top player.
Fixing the OL through free agency is very costly unless you hit the lottery finding the next Seubert and O'Hara without spending much of anything.
That was the beauty behind the mid 2000's o-line. Seubert and O'Hara were surprise finds. Snee was cost controlled and playing at a top level. Diehl was a good player also cost controlled. By the time McKenzie was signed from the Jets in 2005, the Giants were able to make their big purchase.
Right now, there is not ONE o-line spot that anyone can say with certainty they will be starting for the Giants in 2018.
I like McGlinchey a lot, but I'm not certain he's a LT. He's strong and a terrific run blocker, but he struggles at times in pass protection. Ronnie Stanley, who's been "okay" at best so far in the Pros, was a far better pass protector in college. Orlando Brown is a slightly better version of Ereck Flowers... pass. I know people don't like drafting guards high, but Quenton Nelson is basically Steve Hutchinson or Zack Martin in waiting. At this point, I have less questions about him being really good than any other high draft prospect.
Barkley is terrific, but I'm struggling with my own bias about not drafting a RB high.
Positions broadly are 2xG,C,T, DT again, LB, RB and maybe even QB.
Trading down opens all those up greatly.
Yeah, we can be like the Browns who traded down and passed on Wentz and Watson.
Hard part is going to make him go thru his reads first before he takes off... I think thats the biggest question mark... once again, im no expert...Just a fan...
He didn't develop... that's always the down side.
What happens when the are a pile of once in a lifetime types at position X and none at position Y?
Possibly a few at Y get hyped into Rd 1 . pundits must chatter .
Even more important, if he can't play- get rid of him - NOW.
Until that decision is made the rest of the draft is pointless
Exactly ... Fix the OL give Webb a chance maybe even 1 more yr of Eli add a Real #2 WR and add competition of WG at the RB spot as well as LBs for a damn change
Standing pat in the top 5 for a QB or RB is foolish given the strengths and weaknesses of this roster.
This is the 2017 version of Giants fans saying "Take Robert Gallery" back in 2004.
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You can invest highly in the line, and still have extra picks to finally get that coveted LB, RB and / or another young QB in the mix.
Positions broadly are 2xG,C,T, DT again, LB, RB and maybe even QB.
Trading down opens all those up greatly.
Yeah, we can be like the Browns who traded down and passed on Wentz and Watson.
trade Davis Webb to the Browns!
8 teams need QB either for now or short range future and the 3-5 QBs in the draft. Same scenario re: OL and specifically at T. NYFG among the 8.. at least the OL/T.
We could drop 2-4 spots with a partner and still get a need/BPA. Cleveland and Buffalo have multiple 1s that might fit in Stu11.
Trading out of given position is not a typical Gmen move unless a new GM demanded/was given more latitude . But we need OL.
Standing pat in the top 5 for a QB or RB is foolish given the strengths and weaknesses of this roster.
I agree totally and the first 3 picks should be RB OL LB or DE
He appears to have the feet and the arm. If he could learn a pro style offense so quickly, he probably has the head.
Gotta get him some experience.