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| Players who spoke to ESPN about the situation have offered up explanations ranging from some players not caring anymore now that the season is lost to a lack of overall respect for McAdoo and some of his coaching staff, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. |
I have no idea how you can bring back Mcadoo or Reese after this season.
Yes. Agree 100%. Don't get rid of Reese or McAdoo. Clean house.
I never thought that TC or Reese were idiots or forgot how to do their jobs, but over time, it became clear they weren't on the same page. Judging by the personnel groupings and FA acquisitions on O this year, I think the problem still remains - the FO and coaching staffs aren't on the same page, and it's disruptive to both the roster and the product on the field.
I have no idea how you can bring back Mcadoo or Reese after this season.
The Dolphins have lost 3 games by a combined score of 80-6. They've won all 4 toss-up games. The Giants have lost all 3 toss-up games. I wouldn't praise the job Gase has done this year, especially when he's had to deal with things like playing unproductive Jay Cutler over popular Matt Moore, throwing players under the bus, and trading one of the team's supposed stars. Heck, they have a worse point differential than the Giants with their 1 measly win.
Dumping a roster means a significant rebuild time, as well as trying to figure out what to dump - and what to get in return.
And even more significantly, dumping a roster is a sure-fire way to accumulate cap costs that are dead. That's why it isn't done.
Yes. Been saying this since 2013.
No holdovers, no more keeping people around because they have been loyal to the organization.
It's a pipe dream but no more Chris Mara involved in the front office either. Hire a competent GM, let that person decide how to structure the front office and who to hire as head coach.
Dumping a roster means a significant rebuild time, as well as trying to figure out what to dump - and what to get in return.
And even more significantly, dumping a roster is a sure-fire way to accumulate cap costs that are dead. That's why it isn't done.
Exactly, there is limits to what you can do in purging the roster without consequence. However, with regard to the front office and the coaching staff it seems like they are both complicit in this mess and it is indeed time to move on.
it's worth noting that coughlin only "won over" players like strahan after he was given a directive by ownership to change his style and approach or he'd be out of a job (i.e., stop losing his shit on the sideline in embarrassing fashion, stop treating players like complete dogshit). he was also forced to lose hufnagel and lewis. i am not taking anything away from the two SB wins, but ownership had to actively manage coughlin and prompt him to change in order to be successful. that probably made mara believe he's a lot smarter than he actually is and emboldened him to keep meddling in daily operations.
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probably since 2012 or earlier, regardless of whom the head coach was.
Reese?
The consistent roster, drafting, and UFA failures, yes.
In the locker room, it's up to the head coach to set the tone for culture. Football teams are full of animals, a great deal of structure with a touch is required, that's why many teams aren't very good at it.
But, for some here a purge may be needed with a player or two that are popular.. The Patriots have long made a point of getting rid of guys who either didn't fit the team concept or were no longer fitting the team at the cost vs the return.
I think this team needs to get leadership and character leaders that are not the Flashy diva type but the hard nosed, perform their job week in and week out type..
But honestly, he is just way over his head. It shows it. Yes last year was a success on his first year but when dealing with adversity, he crumbled big time and with that the whole team did as well. Reese has a lot to do with it as the offensive line has shown nothing.
when it comes to the offseason, they need to remove all. Every single person and start from scratch. They have a good defense(and if i were them, i would bring back Hankins) but even spags needs to go.
Dumping a roster means a significant rebuild time, as well as trying to figure out what to dump - and what to get in return.
And even more significantly, dumping a roster is a sure-fire way to accumulate cap costs that are dead. That's why it isn't done.
A wholesale roster overturn is obviously not possible, but where opportunities to move players exist they should be pursued.
McAdoo was supposed to provide continuity on offense, and he has failed miserably, his offense is stagnant and ineffective. He should be fired.
You don't really need much more than either of those reasons.
Jerry Reese, the GM, according to some on BBI, who has literally no say in picking a new HC, players, or anything, really.
Pretty funny.
I know it is not intentional, but it is easy to forget Chris Mara and his part in some of the horrible personnel choices. I will not be happy if they can Reese and not Chris Mara at the same time.
The Eli posts I just don't understand. Has anyone said he should be cut or benched because he is a malcontent or isn't giving it his all? I have not seen one post to the point from anyone - trolls included. The NFL is about production. If a player is not producing, you don't keep him at his position because he is a professional or a team guy. It would be awesome to have a roster of 53 Elis, but that is not reality. Sometimes production is tied to a temperament like Beckham's and you need to find a way to make it work. That is why these coaches get paid what they do...set a tone and manage the locker room. The answer isn't to find Eli Mannings at every position because they just don't exist.
Which, to me, raises concerns about the owners' abilty to fix this mess if they do clean house.
McAdoo was supposed to provide continuity on offense, and he has failed miserably, his offense is stagnant and ineffective. He should be fired.
You don't really need much more than either of those reasons.
Exactly, they have given Reese every opportunity and it has resulted in a complete mess. Furthermore, who knows how this season would have gone if McAdoo had put his ego in check and delegate play calling to Sullivan. Lord knows before the Denver game the play calling was the biggest issue. Now we are seeing and hearing that the culture in the Locker Room stinks that there is a sense of lost control.
There really is not one single valid argument to not get rid of the whole FO and Coaching staff. No more band-aids, we need emergency surgery
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probably since 2012 or earlier, regardless of whom the head coach was.
Which, to me, raises concerns about the owners' abilty to fix this mess if they do clean house.
Yep, that's what got me fired up yesterday in another thread. It seems a lot of the hiring choices, be it scouts, coaches, players, draft picks ... there's a significant number of failures over many years.
And now, we've got a head coach and apparently some defensive assistants some of the players no longer respect. TC pretty clearly felt Reese played a part in sabotaging his tenure.
This is a mess. I'd be fired within weeks if I performed the way many of these highly, highly paid clowns perform/behave.
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the 2nd half of Eli's prime. Unless, according to some, Reese has no say in picking the players either, right?
Jerry Reese, the GM, according to some on BBI, who has literally no say in picking a new HC, players, or anything, really.
Pretty funny.
I know it is not intentional, but it is easy to forget Chris Mara and his part in some of the horrible personnel choices. I will not be happy if they can Reese and not Chris Mara at the same time.
Reese is the GM. He's at the forefront. He gets the credit when things go good re: the roster, he gets the blame when it goes bad.
DRC is a bit off the hook but Jenkins is a pro's pro .
Apple is a goof ball but he opened his mouth .
OBJ also made some comments I see many say the boat trip has
nothing to do with this bu I say it does it's another factor that MacHandley is over his head and is piss poor at player management .
Time for a clean sweep and Pray of the #2 pick !
If I were Reese and McAdoo, I'd be very concerned about the way the schedule breaks against them in December. The corpse of the 2017 Giants will be home almost entirely throughout December (3 games) all against division rivals.
The Eagles (and their low life fans) will likely be having a party at MetLife as they will most likely be locking up the division, perhaps a bye week, perhaps home-field throughout. That sounds fun doesnt it?
The Cowboys and their national following will be in next, and they will likely have a shot at the playoffs/WC.
They will wrap up another lost season in a meaningless finale against Washington in a mostly empty stadium on New Years Eve.
Who would blame any season ticket holder for unloading these tickets well in advance to recoup some of the outrageous price they paid for the tickets in the first place. Let's see, go to a cold MetLife stadium to watch a lifeless season play out surrounded by Eagles, Cowboys and Skins fans? Or stay at home with the family and enjoy the holidays? Going to be a pretty easy decision for many.
If the Mara way is to evaluate based on attendance/meaningful December home games, this regime doesnt stand a chance.
The truth is that this team barely played on October home game that had any meaning. All this for a season with Super Bowl aspirations? After an offseason that included roster moves with an eye on a likely 2 year championship window?
Not good.
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He signed with the Rams when Spags was the head coach. Seems like another reach.
I can't verify any of that story, let alone whether that was really Kehl (although it sure sounded like it was).
The only part I can verify - he didn't sign with the Rams. He was claimed off waivers. Wasn't his choice.
Hell, read the post for yourself to see what he thought.
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Thank you. Spagz is a guy who is either really liked, or completely hated. A lot of guys loved him in NY. Some hated him. In STL, when he was the HC, he kind of took things up a notch. I wish you could understand how AWFUL our training camp was. When I told guys in WAS or KC about it, they didn't believe me. Example - he had our O line CUT BLOCK our D line in training camp. Did it all the time!!! Said - if we don't learn how to do it now, when will we? We were like - if you don't know how to do it in the Pros, you aren't going to ever learn. We put like 6 corners on IR that year. 6!!! He TOTALLY lost the locker room.
Disclosure: I've always been a fan of Spags and advocated bringing him back. http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=522371&show_all=1#12544776 - ( New Window )
I stand corrected. My post before wasn't a shot at you, just the credibility of BryanKehl. Even if it was him, his tenure just rubbed me the wrong way. At face value, did his comments really say anything about how the team felt about the quality of Spags coaching? Some guys liked him and some guys hated him? Well some guys get a lot of playing time and some guys dont. Some guys are winners and some are losers. That rams roster had a lot of losers. Kehl was one of them.
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yes JJ f'ed up but the coach is allowing this to go down.
its bad. They need to fire them all.
Does Mara give Reese a pass because of all of this?
Does Mara minimize that Reese picked McAdoo in the first place?
Do we know that reese picked mcadoo?
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yes JJ f'ed up but the coach is allowing this to go down.
its bad. They need to fire them all.
Does Mara give Reese a pass because of all of this?
Does Mara minimize that Reese picked McAdoo in the first place?
While I think McAdoo did what he had to do in terms of suspending DRC and Jenkins, it doesn't mean he did a good job. The fact that he had to suspend two players just a couple of weeks apart for what seems to be apathy and lack of respect says a lot about the team and him as a coach. I don't care about 11-5 last year and the 2 SBs for Reese are long enough in the past to lose weight in the argument also. They need to fire Reese and McAdoo the morning after the final game and let the rest of the coaching staff and possibly the scouting department go as well. They need an entirely new staff from the GM down.
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No, the Giants GM doesn't pick the that the Giants GM doesn't pick the coaching staff (that's basically the HC's job) but you would think he has strong input into the head coach selection.
Why? Is that part of the GM's role here?
Here's an article from when he was hired to be OC. See how many times you find Reese's name.
I get wanting to blame Reese for this mess - but there's enough to go around on the personnel side. When there's no evidence to suggest that Reese picked McAdoo, and there's a book written that claims EA had limited say when they hired Coughlin (a move he opposed), why just jump to the conclusion that this one's on Reese? http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2014/01/14/new-york-giants-hire-ben-mcadoo-offensive-coordinator/ - ( New Window )
Now one may argue that Reese had no role in that decision, but I would find that odd.
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people who want a wholesale cleaning that it is a lot easier to clean the HC and GM than the roster.
Dumping a roster means a significant rebuild time, as well as trying to figure out what to dump - and what to get in return.
And even more significantly, dumping a roster is a sure-fire way to accumulate cap costs that are dead. That's why it isn't done.
Exactly, there is limits to what you can do in purging the roster without consequence. However, with regard to the front office and the coaching staff it seems like they are both complicit in this mess and it is indeed time to move on.
Precisely. My sentiments exactly. This says nothing about our DC, though it might. It is clear that players on the defensive side of the ball are unhappy with something ... who can blame them!
The Eagles (and their low life fans) will likely be having a party at MetLife
That's going to determine their fate.
FYI - They can have their party, but on their dime (I charged the highest price to those gullible fans for my tix to that game).
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probably since 2012 or earlier, regardless of whom the head coach was.
Reese?
these players all see that we go year to year with the same problems not being fixed and maybe they feel they aren't going to care if the owners and GM don't care
Dumping a roster means a significant rebuild time, as well as trying to figure out what to dump - and what to get in return.
And even more significantly, dumping a roster is a sure-fire way to accumulate cap costs that are dead. That's why it isn't done.
this roster may be good enough to win with and all it needs is a lot better direction, its kind of looking right now that the inmates really are running the asylum.....
Players and a GM with a really bad roster management.
Jerry Reese, the GM, according to some on BBI, who has literally no say in picking a new HC, players, or anything, really.
Pretty funny.
Well, I've said it before. I'll say it here again.
If Reese is truly picking the players and has final say, then he deserves to be fired, as he is complete garbage as a GM.
If he is NOT fired, then it proves that he's just a front man for Chris Mara, who is the one actually running the front office, in which case we're really bad off.
Reese must go, Ross must go, Mara must go.
Jenkins - FA new to the team.
Wonder where Mac is re: his assistant, IMO that is the place to pay attention to. OL coach and DC.
Players and a GM with a really bad roster management.
2003 and 2004. Even Handley went 8-8 and 6-10.