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| Players who spoke to ESPN about the situation have offered up explanations ranging from some players not caring anymore now that the season is lost to a lack of overall respect for McAdoo and some of his coaching staff, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. |
Even scarier is there are 9 weeks left of this torture.
3 of these "messes" are pure horseshit and the fourth involves a player who is no longer in the NFL because he isn't good enough. Jordan has to do better than that. If he wants to discuss "off the field issues", DRC and Jenkins' behavior, and McAdoo's part in it, he should write 2 different articles instead of lumping it all together.
Well - remember the poster who came on as BrianKehl and posted about how unlikable Spags was? Given that and his tenure in STL, maybe there was some truth to that?
Doesn't let McAdoo off the hook, even if they hated the DC and his staff, they're still walking out on McAdoo.
its bad. They need to fire them all.
its bad. They need to fire them all.
Does Mara give Reese a pass because of all of this?
Does Mara minimize that Reese picked McAdoo in the first place?
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Given the success of last season that's a surprise.
Well - remember the poster who came on as BrianKehl and posted about how unlikable Spags was? Given that and his tenure in STL, maybe there was some truth to that?
Doesn't let McAdoo off the hook, even if they hated the DC and his staff, they're still walking out on McAdoo.
Nothing is black and white - I think there are some front-runners on this defense who jump ship when times get tough, I think they don't have any MFers (maybe Snacks) who will get in a guy's face for underperformance, and Spags can be exposed without certain players in the lineup. All of it adds up.
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yes JJ f'ed up but the coach is allowing this to go down.
its bad. They need to fire them all.
Does Mara give Reese a pass because of all of this?
Does Mara minimize that Reese picked McAdoo in the first place?
since when did Reese pick McAdoo?
Yeah, the way it's worded it's up for interpretation - whether it's players on the defensive side of the ball unhappy with the coaching staff, or players unhappy with the defensive coaches.
These are adults... supposedly. Put the blame where it really belongs.
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yes JJ f'ed up but the coach is allowing this to go down.
its bad. They need to fire them all.
Does Mara give Reese a pass because of all of this?
Does Mara minimize that Reese picked McAdoo in the first place?
Do we know that Reese actually picked McAdoo? I keep seeing this repeated - but I've never seen it written that McAdoo was Reese's selection. And for the most part, I've only seen it written (whether in articles or books) that the Giants GM doesn't pick the coaching staff.
Facts don't lie, we have by far least amount of snaps per draft picks of the last 5 yrs, per PFF. That includes key backup rolls as well.
Fire everyone, draft every ND OL you can, maybe even adams at RB.
These are adults... supposedly. Put the blame where it really belongs.
totally true. without a doubt.
but the way i see it, if the culture is allowing this type of behavior, you are fucked.
Tell me again how the players aren't the problem?
That managed the playoffs the first year after he left. He obviously wasn't the only one to blame, but let's not pretend he was the only one who knew what he was doing.
The front office/scouting staff needs to be gutted. Everyone from Reese down to the last coach on this staff needs to go.
No more band aids, scapegoats or half measures.
You know how many freaking games they lost those last 3 years? Heck, how many guys were doing all kinds of foolishness behind the scenes as "the one guy who knew what the fuck he was doing" stood out in front and pretended he was a drill sergeant? They've had a bad year. Hate to break it to you, but they had multiple bad years with that other guy too.
I know fan is short for "fanatic", but it's crazy how wild people get when the team underperforms and/or loses games. All of a sudden, everyone has to die.
I'm assuming you are referring to Coughlin. Unfortunately, because Tom was in self-preservation mode himself, he created and left behind a culture (Odell) that as long you can help him get an extra win to save his job, he would allow anything.
Now McAdoo is in his own self preservation mode. Trying to look tough after never taking a stand on anything previously.
Why? Is that part of the GM's role here?
Here's an article from when he was hired to be OC. See how many times you find Reese's name.
I get wanting to blame Reese for this mess - but there's enough to go around on the personnel side. When there's no evidence to suggest that Reese picked McAdoo, and there's a book written that claims EA had limited say when they hired Coughlin (a move he opposed), why just jump to the conclusion that this one's on Reese?
http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2014/01/14/new-york-giants-hire-ben-mcadoo-offensive-coordinator/ - ( New Window )
oh yeah, we have a clown car now but it wasn't exactly sunshine and butterflies when TC was here. we were just as bad and just as dysfunctional the last few years of his tenure.
the difference is TC didn't suspend anyone so it didn't make the ESPN Breaking News crawl.
this idolization of one person over the team (and it isn't just the TC worship) drives me nuts.
But on BBI, Eli is top 5, if not top 3 of the Giants problems, right behind McAdoo and Reese. His salary is too high. He's not worth it.
But let's pay jackasses like Beckham, DRC, and Jenkins top money, fan favorites.
Times have changed.
These are adults... supposedly. Put the blame where it really belongs.
I feel the same. I don't really care if McAdoo stays or goes but these are grown adults being paid a fortune. Chalking it up solely on the coach doesn't make sense to me. If these players aren't going to show up to work when things are tough then they need to be sent packing as well.
Now one may argue that Reese had no role in that decision, but I would find that odd.
Now one may argue that Reese had no roll in that decision, but I would find that odd.
People find many odd reasons to try and absolve Reese. They're running out of scapegoats.
Ditto.
But on BBI, Eli is top 5, if not top 3 of the Giants problems, right behind McAdoo and Reese. His salary is too high. He's not worth it.
But let's pay jackasses like Beckham, DRC, and Jenkins top money, fan favorites.
Times have changed.
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they let the one guy that knew what the fuck he was doing walk out the door. What was left was a clown car.
That managed the playoffs the first year after he left. He obviously wasn't the only one to blame, but let's not pretend he was the only one who knew what he was doing.
New, Mr. Disciplinarian McAdoo msy still be able to come around with Reese as the sacrificial lamb. We'll see. This screw up with the press was a major clusterfuck though. The Giants highly value their press relations to cover up, press the narrative the owners want to spoon feed and cultivate the image. In return, the press guys get access and scoops. If they think they are being exposed to the reader base as dupes and idiots, and being lied to, oh boy, they will have no mercy on Ben.
This is the fans' fault? JFC.
And most of us wanted Reese gone too.
As others have mentioned, we did go 11-5 last year and make the playoffs. Regardless, i dont see how this season is worse than 2013-2015. They all sucked.
oh yeah, we have a clown car now but it wasn't exactly sunshine and butterflies when TC was here. we were just as bad and just as dysfunctional the last few years of his tenure.
the difference is TC didn't suspend anyone so it didn't make the ESPN Breaking News crawl.
this idolization of one person over the team (and it isn't just the TC worship) drives me nuts.
I can certainly understand being upset with Mr. Slickback...I mean, the offense sucks and you have a franchise QB, still healthy, who can still get the job done but the FO and coach have done a terrible job with the offensive line.
If I was a defensive player, that is what would piss me off, but why be mad at the coaches when you had success the year previously?
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First to show up every day, last to leave. Coaching up the young receivers, being a professional, never throwing anybody under the bus, working hard on film study, trying to win....
But on BBI, Eli is top 5, if not top 3 of the Giants problems, right behind McAdoo and Reese. His salary is too high. He's not worth it.
But let's pay jackasses like Beckham, DRC, and Jenkins top money, fan favorites.
Times have changed.
You are an insufferable one trick pony. This thread has nothing to do with Eli, yet somehow you make it about him. Beckham and the defense are the only reasons the Giants made the playoffs last year. It wasn't because of franchise QB play by our franchise QB. In fact he was last year and is at this stage of his career a JAG.
You've wanted Eli cut for the better part of ten years, so your opinion carries zero weight. Speaking of a one trick pony....
Last year was good, not great. A solid season with some warts. Offense was not good. The Beckham problem continued and ultimately came to a head with the embarrassment that was our WRs in Green Bay.
This season is worse than 2003, 2006, 2013 or any other recent disaster. We were among 2 or 3 heavy Super Bowl favorites. Reese has his share of the blame for some roster deficiencies, McAdoo didnt help the cause with his own personnel decisions, lineup configurations and depth chart issues.
Where was Pugh at RT?
Fluker?
What happened with Perkins, Gallman?
The FB position?
11 personnel?
The saddest part is that Eli's tenure here has now been reduced to, at most care-taking for either Webb or this year's possible high draft pick. We should be where the Eagles are.
But this kind of activity by players leads to the hiring of a hard ass coach. Do they not realize this?
Man, it is more evident every day that Tom should never have been let go. What a HUGE mistake that was!
Terps..I'd disagree. Head coaching positions in the NFL are valued because there's only 32, but a potential coach looks at this roster and says there's something to work with.
If the roster sucks, then you think there's no way the Giants contend for a playoff spot next year?