Scary paragraph from Jordan Raanan on Giants

CHIP KELLY!

Those of you calling for a complete house cleaning (and I'm not even sure how far that even extends) are going to extremely disappointed.

In comment 13671617 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 13671609 GMAN4LIFE said: Quote: yes JJ f'ed up but the coach is allowing this to go down. its bad. They need to fire them all. Does Mara give Reese a pass because of all of this? Does Mara minimize that Reese picked McAdoo in the first place?

Do we know that reese picked mcadoo?

In comment 13671593 njm said:

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Given the success of last season that's a surprise.

Why a surprise? Including last year, he has had 3 good seasons. The rest of his defenses have ranged from mediocre to terrible. He has two of the 3 or 4 historically worst defenses. The fact that these came with two different teams says a lot to me as well. I don't think he is a terrible coach. But, I think he is vastly overrated and he should be fired along with the entire coaching staff. There is certainly no way I want him as the next HC, as some have been clamoring for.

In comment 13671617 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 13671609 GMAN4LIFE said: Quote: yes JJ f'ed up but the coach is allowing this to go down. its bad. They need to fire them all. Does Mara give Reese a pass because of all of this? Does Mara minimize that Reese picked McAdoo in the first place?

At this point, I don't see how either can get a pass. First of all, Reese should have been shown the door 3 years ago when they fired Coughlin. He has a very questionable track record both in the draft and FA. Second, he hired McAdoo. Third, the injuries can't be blamed because they were 0-5 and looking every bit of that record in the process before they had their entire WR crew go down.

While I think McAdoo did what he had to do in terms of suspending DRC and Jenkins, it doesn't mean he did a good job. The fact that he had to suspend two players just a couple of weeks apart for what seems to be apathy and lack of respect says a lot about the team and him as a coach. I don't care about 11-5 last year and the 2 SBs for Reese are long enough in the past to lose weight in the argument also. They need to fire Reese and McAdoo the morning after the final game and let the rest of the coaching staff and possibly the scouting department go as well. They need an entirely new staff from the GM down.

In comment 13671632 HomerJones45 said:

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they let the one guy that knew what the fuck he was doing walk out the door. What was left was a clown car.

Hey, I never wanted McAdoo and was quite vocal about it.

In comment 13671668 jcn56 said:

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In comment 13671661 BillT said: Quote: No, the Giants GM doesn't pick the that the Giants GM doesn't pick the coaching staff (that's basically the HC's job) but you would think he has strong input into the head coach selection. Why? Is that part of the GM's role here? Here's an article from when he was hired to be OC. See how many times you find Reese's name. I get wanting to blame Reese for this mess - but there's enough to go around on the personnel side. When there's no evidence to suggest that Reese picked McAdoo, and there's a book written that claims EA had limited say when they hired Coughlin (a move he opposed), why just jump to the conclusion that this one's on Reese? http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2014/01/14/new-york-giants-hire-ben-mcadoo-offensive-coordinator/ - ( New Window )

I don't care what wight Reese's opinion carried with the hiring of McAdoo or his staff. Reese is at least partly to blame for this mess because he is still chiefly responsible for building the team. That has a direct impact on the team culture. Reese should have been gone 3 years ago, so I'm not giving him a pass now.

In comment 13671676 Eric from BBI said:

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Reese was the GM when McAdoo was hired as head coach. Now one may argue that Reese had no role in that decision, but I would find that odd.

Exactly. Even if it wasn't 100% his call, you would think he had a say.

it's media adding kindling to a non fire..half is made up by these reporter's to get hits to their blogs, sites, etc

In comment 13671834 Reb8thVA said:

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In comment 13671826 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: people who want a wholesale cleaning that it is a lot easier to clean the HC and GM than the roster. Dumping a roster means a significant rebuild time, as well as trying to figure out what to dump - and what to get in return. And even more significantly, dumping a roster is a sure-fire way to accumulate cap costs that are dead. That's why it isn't done. Exactly, there is limits to what you can do in purging the roster without consequence. However, with regard to the front office and the coaching staff it seems like they are both complicit in this mess and it is indeed time to move on.

When I say I want a wholesale cleaning, I am referring only to the GM and coaching staff and to a lesser degree the scouting department. That is a big undertaking as it is. I don't want a wholesale cleaning of the roster. In fact, I actually believe there is a good core of talent to move forward with under better leadership and coaching. The OL and perhaps LB are two obvious areas that need upgrades regardless. But, overall, I believe there is talent to work with on this team.

The players who were suspended were 100% wrong. They deserved to be suspended. That said, their behavior and attitudes and what appears to be a growing overall attitude of apathy and lack of respect are also reflections of the coach and his staff. So, while McAdoo was correct in taking action, he is also to blame.

In comment 13671837 japanhead said:

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terribly worded sentence by raanan. so is it players on the defensive side of the ball unhappy with mcadoo, or defensive players unhappy with defensive coaches. some of the sloppiest writing by a beat writer i can recall reading.

Precisely. My sentiments exactly. This says nothing about our DC, though it might. It is clear that players on the defensive side of the ball are unhappy with something ... who can blame them!

In comment 13671929 Chris684 said:

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If I were Reese and McAdoo, I'd be very concerned about the way the schedule breaks against them in December. The corpse of the 2017 Giants will be home almost entirely throughout December (3 games) all against division rivals. The Eagles (and their low life fans) will likely be having a party at MetLife

That's going to determine their fate.

FYI - They can have their party, but on their dime (I charged the highest price to those gullible fans for my tix to that game).

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In comment 13671756 JonC said: Quote: probably since 2012 or earlier, regardless of whom the head coach was. Reese?

these players all see that we go year to year with the same problems not being fixed and maybe they feel they aren't going to care if the owners and GM don't care

In comment 13671826 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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people who want a wholesale cleaning that it is a lot easier to clean the HC and GM than the roster. Dumping a roster means a significant rebuild time, as well as trying to figure out what to dump - and what to get in return. And even more significantly, dumping a roster is a sure-fire way to accumulate cap costs that are dead. That's why it isn't done.

this roster may be good enough to win with and all it needs is a lot better direction, its kind of looking right now that the inmates really are running the asylum.....

this Organization so bad before.A helpless Coach,undisciplined
Players and a GM with a really bad roster management.

In comment 13671770 Dave in Hoboken said:

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the 2nd half of Eli's prime. Unless, according to some, Reese has no say in picking the players either, right? Jerry Reese, the GM, according to some on BBI, who has literally no say in picking a new HC, players, or anything, really. Pretty funny.

Well, I've said it before. I'll say it here again.

If Reese is truly picking the players and has final say, then he deserves to be fired, as he is complete garbage as a GM.

If he is NOT fired, then it proves that he's just a front man for Chris Mara, who is the one actually running the front office, in which case we're really bad off.

Reese must go, Ross must go, Mara must go.

FO was reportedly unhappy with DRC well before Mac got here.

Jenkins - FA new to the team.

Wonder where Mac is re: his assistant, IMO that is the place to pay attention to. OL coach and DC.

In comment 13672387 BIGbluegermany said:

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this Organization so bad before.A helpless Coach,undisciplined Players and a GM with a really bad roster management.

2003 and 2004. Even Handley went 8-8 and 6-10.

Reese can't draft unless it's a 1st round lock, and even then he's failed. The coaching staff is incapable of developing players taken later in the draft, and have been for a long time. The state of the league is such that the teams that draft smartly and have coaching staffs that know how to train and develop successful players are going to win games consistently. This organization has been trying to rely on superstars rising above the X's and O's and magically pulling wins out of their asses, rather than a fundamental player development system and coaches that can win the chess matches on game day. Play calling is a skill, any coach you says otherwise isn't any good at it and doesn't have the balls to be accountable for his game day coaching performances.