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NFT: Rangers @ Tampa Bay, 7:30pm ET

NYerInMA : 11/2/2017 5:52 pm
October was a turdburger, let's hope November will be better. That being said, TB is the #1 team in the East currently, and beating them in Tampa is a tall order. Rumor is that Brendan Smith will be benched, meaning that at least one of the useless Kampfer/Holden combo will be playing. Prepare for pain!
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arcarsenal : 11/28/2017 8:38 pm : link
Cmon, he got fucking pushed into Reimer and he stayed out of the paint.
That rule fucking sucks  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2017 8:39 pm : link
I'm sure we'll get hosed. What's the point of blue paint if a goalie can claim contact outside it. Awful fucking rule.

And this was less contact than what they had on their fourth goal. Or at least the same
Weak call.  
bigbluehoya : 11/28/2017 8:39 pm : link
Not gonna overturn though.
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arcarsenal : 11/28/2017 8:40 pm : link
No surprise, we don't get the call from Toronto. When do we fucking ever?
Lol  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2017 8:40 pm : link
Clockwork
Never forget the Dwight King call in the finals  
Kyle in NY : 11/28/2017 8:42 pm : link
But that's interference? What a joke, Nash never touched the blue
Nasher got away with some embellishment there ... he literally  
baadbill : 11/28/2017 8:49 pm : link
launched himself ... pretty piss poor acting on his part ... lol
These dipshits follow it up with phantom interference  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2017 8:53 pm : link
On kreider

Then missing a hooking call in our own end which directly leads to a scoring chance for them. Finally Nash was leg whipped which they had no choice to call.

Buchnevich throwing some blows after the period but hope he's not penalized. We need him for the third.

I'm not one to criticize officiating but tonight's has been really fishy.
Bjugstad  
bigbluehoya : 11/28/2017 8:53 pm : link
Should get a third man penalty for that shit.

Butcher what a few nice right hands there
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arcarsenal : 11/28/2017 8:54 pm : link
LOL, he landed TWO punches. I didn't see who he hit first, but he caught Bjugstad with a good one at the end too. Good man.
So....  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2017 8:57 pm : link
Have we figured out what a crease is yet since a goalie can apparently be interfered with elsewhere too? (Even if player is pushed into him). As with a lot of NHL rules I'm thoroughly confused.
Here's part of the rule  
NYerInMA : 11/28/2017 9:01 pm : link
69.4 Contact Outside the Goal Crease - If an attacking player initiates
any contact with a goalkeeper, other than incidental contact, while the
goalkeeper is outside his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal
will be disallowed.
A goalkeeper is not “fair game” just because he is outside the goal
crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case
where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the
goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the
goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease
provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid
such unnecessary contact.
When a goalkeeper has played the puck outside of his crease and
is then prevented from returning to his crease area due to the
deliberate actions of an attacking player, such player may be
penalized for goalkeeper interference. Similarly, the goalkeeper may
be penalized, if by his actions outside of his crease he deliberately
interferes with an attacking player who is attempting to play the puck
or an opponent.
Rulebook is here  
NYerInMA : 11/28/2017 9:02 pm : link
If you want to see more. Basically, it's the referees' discretion, which as we know, is terrible.
2017-2018-NHL-rulebook - ( New Window )
And the section  
NYerInMA : 11/28/2017 9:03 pm : link
on contact from a defensive player:

"If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a
defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the
goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the
attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player
has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact."
So clearly Nash didn't initiate contact  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2017 9:05 pm : link
He made effort to get out of the way once he did.. and most importantly the shot wasn't fired for another second or two after the contact

At no time was Nash in the crease either.

So in other words the league just makes shit up as it goes. Was a bang bang play so I can't get on the ice officials I guess but Jesus that should have been overturned
Buch throwing haymakers again  
redbeard : 11/28/2017 9:07 pm : link
Love this kid
Doesn't make sense  
Kyle in NY : 11/28/2017 9:17 pm : link
that the review doesn't go to the league office. If it's the ref who made the call reviewing it he's naturally going to favor the call he made on the ice
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arcarsenal : 11/28/2017 9:32 pm : link
"YES!!!!"

-Sam Rosen

That was fucking incredible.
Is it me  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2017 9:36 pm : link
Or last few years have we been in a ton of crazy games with this team. No lead ever seems safe and I'm nervous these last 4 minutes - especially with Pavelec in net
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arcarsenal : 11/28/2017 9:39 pm : link
These most certainly are not the Torts Rangers anymore... that's for sure.

I hate shitty defense but I think I enjoy watching these types of games much more than the "get a 1 goal lead and hold your breath" games of the past that usually ended 2-1.
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arcarsenal : 11/28/2017 9:44 pm : link
That was a TERRIBLE giveaway by Holden. What the fuck is he doing?
Holden you fucking clown  
redbeard : 11/28/2017 9:45 pm : link
Jesus
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arcarsenal : 11/28/2017 9:45 pm : link
And as an added bonus, he screens his own goalie!

Glad he's still getting ice time in crunch time. Clearly a good guy to have out there.
Holden is unbelievable  
Kyle in NY : 11/28/2017 9:45 pm : link
The turnover and the screen, Greta play moron!
The life of a rangers fan  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2017 9:46 pm : link
Holy fucking shit
How is Holden always out there in crunch time?  
redbeard : 11/28/2017 9:47 pm : link
It’s unbelievable
Giving up 5 goals to the crappy Panthers  
NYerInMA : 11/28/2017 9:47 pm : link
Not acceptable!
Holden was fucking terrible tonight  
bigbluehoya : 11/28/2017 9:47 pm : link
That’s a pisser of a regulation loss after clawing back
Deserved more from that  
Kyle in NY : 11/28/2017 9:48 pm : link
Forwards busted their ass without Zib, and then Holden does that. Absolutely furious
Solid play by Smith there,  
section125 : 11/28/2017 9:49 pm : link
Misses the pass in offensive zone and dogs it down the ice..
Who the fuck was he passing it too  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2017 9:49 pm : link
Why do he and Staal treat the puck like a grenade late and clutch?

That is one or the more deflating games I have ever attended
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arcarsenal : 11/28/2017 9:51 pm : link
This is one of those losses where you look around the room for like 10 minutes after and say "wait... what happened now?"

What a shitty fucking loss.

Feels like that Eagles game from Week 3. Get off to really bad start, come roaring back with a vengeance; and then all the air fucking comes right out of the balloon at the gun and we lose.

One of those games you just feel convinced they're not losing.. and then they lose. Guh.
Just rewatched to be sure  
NYerInMA : 11/28/2017 9:52 pm : link
but every single one of Florida's goals was garbage. Either a bad play by the defense or the goaltender. I think it's time to retire this thread.
And I attended the game 1 loss against the caps  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2017 9:52 pm : link
When ward scored with 2 ticks left. You get to overtime even if they score 5 seconds in you feel good about the comeback.

Why is this team so fucking aggressive late and tied?? I like this style the first 50 minutes but the last 5-10 is torture because this culture refuses to play defense first late in tie games
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arcarsenal : 11/28/2017 9:53 pm : link
I really have absolutely no idea what Nick Holden was doing there. You literally cannot possibly have a worse shift than that.

Mind boggling.
Will there be any accountability for Holden?  
Kyle in NY : 11/28/2017 9:55 pm : link
Probably not. He has time and space, could skate it back behind the net and kill time, or fire it off the boards out of the zone in the air. Instead he tosses it weakly. WTF!?

That is absolutely inexcusable after all the team did to come back
Mac can't comeback soon enough  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2017 9:56 pm : link
Hopefully Friday. He tried to play hurt for a while - hopefully the 12 day break has him better because I'm so sick of Holden Staal kampfen logging these minutes
And I guess neither were egregious goals  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2017 10:00 pm : link
But I'm really pissed off - what's Pavelecs save percentage now? Haven't seen that guy make one save all year.
/end rant
Smith with a needless turnover at center  
Kyle in NY : 11/28/2017 10:07 pm : link
to start it all as well. Just dump it in and play for the point. Then he blocks a shot that the goalie would have easily and takes himself out of the play.

Valiquette with good points in the postgame. The way these guys defend is completely idiotic. Going to block every single shot unnecessarily, screening your own goalie, going to the ice and taking yourself out of the play. It's unnecessary. Stay on your feet, move your feet, use your stick, play the body. It doesn't always have to be such a damn fire drill out there
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arcarsenal : 11/28/2017 10:19 pm : link
Pavelec is just a crappy goalie. I hated that signing. I think they got a bit too comfortable with the goalie carousel behind Hank thinking they could make it work with just about anyone after Talbot and Raanta did so well here.

I'd love to see Valiquette get a shot at coaching one day - he's extremely bright and his analysis is usually dead on. Doesn't mean he'd necessarily be a great coach, I'm not even sure if he'd want to be one, but I'd love to see him get a chance.
Thought it was the best Pavelec has looked  
Kyle in NY : 11/28/2017 10:29 pm : link
Not saying much, but those goals aren't on him.
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arcarsenal : 11/28/2017 10:33 pm : link
Nah, you're right - the last one especially wasn't. He kept us in it after Hank laid an egg and hit the showers. I just don't think much of him in general and didn't like signing him, but I certainly don't blame him for this shitty loss. Not his fault.
Another pain point  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2017 10:35 pm : link
They were playing their third game in 4 days. They were happy to take the point once we tied it. Their entire 3rd period plan in fact was to dump and chase and sit back.

How do these defenders not know the situation? Why is the puck treated like a fucking grenade? I swear this team is so fucked up mentally in late and close games. It was a problem all of last year, it ended out season in the postseason and it's at least three this year now (Pitt Florida and Florida) -- with a fourth against the islanders too if not for two spectular hank saves with a few ticks left.
Not saying much at all  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2017 10:36 pm : link
He faced two high quality shots in two periods tonight and let both in

Agree it wasn't on him - but I guess we are spoiled in the past our backup goalies actually bailed out teammates once in a while
He faced more than two quality chances  
Kyle in NY : 11/28/2017 10:40 pm : link
We're all annoyed but be fair
Bottom line  
Kyle in NY : 11/28/2017 10:44 pm : link
We need Mac badly on Friday. We've got three defensemen playing that I have no faith in during late game situations. Wasn't all that surprising to see what happened after watching this team the last few years.
Zibanejad has been diagnosed with a concussion.  
Mad Mike : 11/30/2017 12:20 pm : link
Obviously that could turn into a major problem.
lonk - ( New Window )
Z and Mac are the two guys on this years roster  
MetsAreBack : 11/30/2017 3:32 pm : link
just by virtue of its construction... that we couldnt afford to lose. Lundqvist too i guess considering Pavelec's 89% save percentage this year (if you believe that will hold)

Sure enough - this is the Rangers.

Only bright spot is we only play 3 games here in 12 days... so maybe he'll just miss another game or two. Division games of course though.
minor trade  
Greg from LI : 11/30/2017 3:50 pm : link
Adam Cracknell to the Habs for Peter Holland to add a depth center. Both players currently in the A, but if Zibanejad is out for any length of time we could see Holland. Former Ducks first round pick.
ex-NYR  
pjcas18 : 11/30/2017 4:01 pm : link
(briefly, but was on the team for their playoff run to the SCF I believe) Derek Dorsett forced to retire with a chronic neck/spinal injury.

I liked him for what he did, solid grit guy.

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