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Eli Manning is DONE

EddieNYG : 11/5/2017 2:38 pm
He is missing wide open receivers. His pocket awareness with feeling pressure keeps getting worse and he fumbled twice, losing one of them. That throw into double coverage looks like a rookie mistake.

I hate to admit this, but Eli Manning is part of the problem of why this offense is so atrocious.
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RE: Build an OL because QBs can bust out?  
PetesHereNow : 11/5/2017 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13678002 BrianLeonard23 said:
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OL can bust out too.


It's a causal relationship though. A good OL can hide a QB's deficiencies, see Prescott, Dak.

A bad OL will cripple your team. Fix the line, and you can win at quarterback with a good running game and a good defense.
He's not done  
montanagiant : 11/5/2017 9:54 pm : link
This fantasy that a QB would come in here with this horrid offense and do anything better is silly on face value alone.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Thatís not what I said.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/5/2017 9:57 pm : link
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I think it's just time for a change. A 37 year old QB isn't getting any younger. I'm done with 'Lets win 1 more before Eli retires' stuff. It's not about that anymore. It has to be about the long term future of this franchise, not the next couple years.



The "Let's win 1 more before Eli retires" mantra has been used as an organizational mantra in a lot of ways for a number of their personnel decisions and it has backfired spectacularly.


Exactly. And some fans are using it because they are bigger fans of particular players than they are of the actual team. If Eli isn't done yet, he's not far from it. If we have a top 3 pick this year, which it's looking like we will more and more every week, you go for the QB, especially in a draft that is not filled with great offensive lineman.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Thatís not what I said.  
WillVAB : 11/5/2017 10:17 pm : link
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I think it's just time for a change. A 37 year old QB isn't getting any younger. I'm done with 'Lets win 1 more before Eli retires' stuff. It's not about that anymore. It has to be about the long term future of this franchise, not the next couple years.



The "Let's win 1 more before Eli retires" mantra has been used as an organizational mantra in a lot of ways for a number of their personnel decisions and it has backfired spectacularly.




Exactly. And some fans are using it because they are bigger fans of particular players than they are of the actual team. If Eli isn't done yet, he's not far from it. If we have a top 3 pick this year, which it's looking like we will more and more every week, you go for the QB, especially in a draft that is not filled with great offensive lineman.


There are just as many questions about the QBs in this draft as there are about the OL. Quite frankly, I donít trust the draftniks or scouts or whomever when it comes to evaluating the OL coming out. A few years ago the draft was supposed to be loaded at OL with guys like Greg Robinson as canít miss, and most turned out to be busts. Last year the class was supposed to suck, and guys like Cam Robinson and Ramcyk are playing integral roles in their teamís success.

Thereís always a ďfranchise qbĒ available every draft ever year when youíre picking at the top of the draft. Doesnít mean thereís actually a franchise qb there waiting.
All the people saying Eli isnít the problem...  
BlueManFu : 11/5/2017 10:22 pm : link
I would clarify the point by saying ĎEli + his cap numberí is 100% an obvious disadvantage to the current and future team success. When youíve got a top 5 salary cap number youíd better be Rodgers or Brady. We are getting Josh McCown type production for that huge cap number. Canít really deny any of the above.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Thatís not what I said.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/5/2017 10:23 pm : link
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I think it's just time for a change. A 37 year old QB isn't getting any younger. I'm done with 'Lets win 1 more before Eli retires' stuff. It's not about that anymore. It has to be about the long term future of this franchise, not the next couple years.



The "Let's win 1 more before Eli retires" mantra has been used as an organizational mantra in a lot of ways for a number of their personnel decisions and it has backfired spectacularly.




Exactly. And some fans are using it because they are bigger fans of particular players than they are of the actual team. If Eli isn't done yet, he's not far from it. If we have a top 3 pick this year, which it's looking like we will more and more every week, you go for the QB, especially in a draft that is not filled with great offensive lineman.



There are just as many questions about the QBs in this draft as there are about the OL. Quite frankly, I donít trust the draftniks or scouts or whomever when it comes to evaluating the OL coming out. A few years ago the draft was supposed to be loaded at OL with guys like Greg Robinson as canít miss, and most turned out to be busts. Last year the class was supposed to suck, and guys like Cam Robinson and Ramcyk are playing integral roles in their teamís success.

Thereís always a ďfranchise qbĒ available every draft ever year when youíre picking at the top of the draft. Doesnít mean thereís actually a franchise qb there waiting.


Same can be said for top tier OL, especially this year.
RE: All the people saying Eli isnít the problem...  
WillVAB : 11/5/2017 10:28 pm : link
In comment 13678078 BlueManFu said:
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I would clarify the point by saying ĎEli + his cap numberí is 100% an obvious disadvantage to the current and future team success. When youíve got a top 5 salary cap number youíd better be Rodgers or Brady. We are getting Josh McCown type production for that huge cap number. Canít really deny any of the above.


What kind of return are the Packers getting on Rodgers cap number now? Rodgers turns 35 next year ó does he have osteoporosis at his age and should the Packers look for a QB too?
RE: All the people saying Eli isnít the problem...  
PetesHereNow : 11/5/2017 10:31 pm : link
In comment 13678078 BlueManFu said:
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I would clarify the point by saying ĎEli + his cap numberí is 100% an obvious disadvantage to the current and future team success. When youíve got a top 5 salary cap number youíd better be Rodgers or Brady. We are getting Josh McCown type production for that huge cap number. Canít really deny any of the above.


If we had a good defense, a decent running game, and an offensive line, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. But, when your starting offense includes guys like Roger Lewis, John Jerry, and Bobby Hart, you have to give the guy with HOF (near HOF, whichever) a little bit of slack. Yes, I realize he's 37 years old, but unlike his brother, he has not yet suffered a debilitating neck injury. Should we think about life after Eli? Sure. Should we force a number 1 pick on a QB just because he is a QB? No.
What  
Howyadoin : 11/6/2017 12:37 am : link
a joke...
I've yet to see any evidence  
BlackLight : 11/6/2017 12:41 am : link
that Eli has lost anything in terms of his ability to play quarterback.
RE: RE: All the people saying Eli isnít the problem...  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/6/2017 12:44 am : link
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I would clarify the point by saying ĎEli + his cap numberí is 100% an obvious disadvantage to the current and future team success. When youíve got a top 5 salary cap number youíd better be Rodgers or Brady. We are getting Josh McCown type production for that huge cap number. Canít really deny any of the above.



What kind of return are the Packers getting on Rodgers cap number now? Rodgers turns 35 next year ó does he have osteoporosis at his age and should the Packers look for a QB too?


Rodgers is one of the best QB's of all time. Eli Manning is not. And if when Rodgers comes back he struggles mightily for the next couple of years in a row; then yeah; they'll be really concerned in GB..
You know, most teams with a franchise QB  
Matt M. : 11/6/2017 1:32 am : link
would be trying to capitalize on the last few productive years of his career. Instead, the Giants wreck their OL and continue to sign retreads to address the black hole. They run a mickey mouse offense with the same personnel packages and handful of shitty plays almost all the time. Defenses have been diagnosing the Giants plays for 2 years now. But, yeah, he's the fucking problem.

To me, you get rid of Reese, McAdoo, and the rest of the staff and you get vintage Manning...assuming the new regime can manage to bring in 3 or 4 new OL to start.
Eli isnít done, but may be done here..  
Sean : 11/6/2017 7:05 am : link
The days of rookie QBís sitting behind a veteran QB for 1-2 years are over. If a QB is invested with a top 5 pick, he is going to play immediately.

You can still absolutely win with Eli, but a new football administration will not want to start with a 37 year QB.
Anybody that couldn't evaluate Eli yesterday  
Jimmy Googs : 11/6/2017 7:29 am : link
is in denial.

He had sufficient time to throw, deep guys open, guys open with some easy touch passes and others on underneath crossing routes. This on top of a decent running game in the first half.

He missed way too many throws AND didn't take care of the ball.
eli  
giantfan2000 : 11/6/2017 8:17 am : link
Eli turnovers have been the start of our unraveling in most games this year.

the fact of the matter is while our OL isn't good - but many OL aren't great In NFL now the difference is these teams have mobile QBs that can extend plays and avoid sacks

RE: RE: RE: All the people saying Eli isnít the problem...  
WillVAB : 11/6/2017 9:03 am : link
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I would clarify the point by saying ĎEli + his cap numberí is 100% an obvious disadvantage to the current and future team success. When youíve got a top 5 salary cap number youíd better be Rodgers or Brady. We are getting Josh McCown type production for that huge cap number. Canít really deny any of the above.



What kind of return are the Packers getting on Rodgers cap number now? Rodgers turns 35 next year ó does he have osteoporosis at his age and should the Packers look for a QB too?



Rodgers is one of the best QB's of all time. Eli Manning is not. And if when Rodgers comes back he struggles mightily for the next couple of years in a row; then yeah; they'll be really concerned in GB..


Ok then donít hide your argument behind Eliís age. Just say you donít think Eli is any good and you think the Giants should move on.

Realistically, the Packers should be more worried than the Giants re: the qb position ó Rogers has actually gotten hurt a decent amount, heís getting older, and his style of play doesnít age well.
RE: Anybody that couldn't evaluate Eli yesterday  
crick n NC : 11/6/2017 9:11 am : link
In comment 13678306 Jimmy Googs said:
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is in denial.

He had sufficient time to throw, deep guys open, guys open with some easy touch passes and others on underneath crossing routes. This on top of a decent running game in the first half.

He missed way too many throws AND didn't take care of the ball.


I'm not sure you understand team chemistry. A qb's timing with his targets are vital, also take into account that Macs offense seems to be terrible all the way around.

Mac did have success as OC, but keep these few things in mind, teams may have adjusted, and coughlin still had his offense mixed into the offense. When coughlin left there is a very good chance Mac got rid of the coughlin part of the offense, which would explain why the offense suddenly went to crap.

Manning has shown he can make the throws, he didn't just suddenly lose it, but right now he's severely handicapped. Thanks is team isn't just a bad team, it's arguably a bad team without effort which is much worse
Eli is healthy and can still make the throws  
Thegratefulhead : 11/6/2017 9:16 am : link
His brain and knowledge still exist. I am a huge Eli supporter. When your team is 1-7 and playing like shit, you will get high draft pick with good QBs available, it would be monumentally stupid not to try and evaluate the Rookie QB on the roster. Full time reps in practice and to play in games. Anyone who thinks otherwise is being blindly loyal to a player over franchise. They are one and seven with a top 3 pick looming. This needs to be done.
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Jimmy Googs : 11/6/2017 9:22 am : link
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is in denial.

He had sufficient time to throw, deep guys open, guys open with some easy touch passes and others on underneath crossing routes. This on top of a decent running game in the first half.

He missed way too many throws AND didn't take care of the ball.



I'm not sure you understand team chemistry. A qb's timing with his targets are vital, also take into account that Macs offense seems to be terrible all the way around.

Mac did have success as OC, but keep these few things in mind, teams may have adjusted, and coughlin still had his offense mixed into the offense. When coughlin left there is a very good chance Mac got rid of the coughlin part of the offense, which would explain why the offense suddenly went to crap.

Manning has shown he can make the throws, he didn't just suddenly lose it, but right now he's severely handicapped. Thanks is team isn't just a bad team, it's arguably a bad team without effort which is much worse


While not extreme, you are in more denial than you are not.

And nobody said Eli suddenly lost it, you just missed the signs for the past several years...
You freaking guys persist in folly  
HomerJones45 : 11/6/2017 9:25 am : link
first, the OC had to go, then the DC had to go, you had to have St Stephen of the Blitz, then "oh, the HC is old and has to go", now it's the qb has to go.

Like poor marksmen, you keep missing the target. You aren't fixing anything unless you fix the organization. The front office sucks and the interfering owners are serial bunglers. Wake the fuck up already.
RE: RE: RE: Anybody that couldn't evaluate Eli yesterday  
crick n NC : 11/6/2017 9:33 am : link
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is in denial.

He had sufficient time to throw, deep guys open, guys open with some easy touch passes and others on underneath crossing routes. This on top of a decent running game in the first half.

He missed way too many throws AND didn't take care of the ball.



I'm not sure you understand team chemistry. A qb's timing with his targets are vital, also take into account that Macs offense seems to be terrible all the way around.

Mac did have success as OC, but keep these few things in mind, teams may have adjusted, and coughlin still had his offense mixed into the offense. When coughlin left there is a very good chance Mac got rid of the coughlin part of the offense, which would explain why the offense suddenly went to crap.

Manning has shown he can make the throws, he didn't just suddenly lose it, but right now he's severely handicapped. Thanks is team isn't just a bad team, it's arguably a bad team without effort which is much worse



While not extreme, you are in more denial than you are not.

And nobody said Eli suddenly lost it, you just missed the signs for the past several years...


I don't agree. I laid out a few possible reasons above, but there are more than just those. We'll agree we don't see it the same, no problem.
Fair enough.  
Jimmy Googs : 11/6/2017 9:50 am : link
I just don't agree its okay for you to say Eli has shown he can make the throws. At this point, its becoming far to rare to see him do it (and do it enough), especially since he is fighting an uphill battle in this offense. He always had flaws but enough of other advantages to make him a positive contributor.

Those days are done as he is a negative one now...
RE: He has ALWAYS made those bad passes  
Jersey55 : 11/6/2017 10:57 am : link
In comment 13676388 KentGraham said:
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The difference is he is no longer making the plays that made us forget the bad ones. This team is done, so I won't single him out and blame this season on him, but hopefully he's not the QB next year, it's time to move on. And it kills me to say that.

what you say here happens to all QBs and right now its happening to Eli, most good QBs end up on the scrap heap because they stayed around too long and Eli is ding that right now because the money is so good..
RE: It is not about blaming Eli  
Carson53 : 11/6/2017 12:26 pm : link
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Yeah, maybe some want to do that in the heat of the moment.

But the real question is whether you want to do a major rebuild around a 37 year old QB. I just don't see that as an intelligent approach when you have the opportunity to possibly draft your next franchise QB.
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He is not the only problem, but he is not part of the solution as well. Look at how often he fumbles as well,
been dong that his whole career too. It's amazing how people tend to neglect that aspect of his game.
They need to draft a QB, let Eli play one more year,
and move on.
He can finish his career elsewhere, if he wants to
keep playing.
You can't have him on the books for about 40 Mill. the next two years, makes no sense.
Eli Manning is the only player on offense worth anything  
BlackburnBalledOut : 11/6/2017 12:46 pm : link
who would play well throwing to king randolph and lewis, theyre all at best practice squad player. not to mention the worst o line ive ever seen and the defense, holy hell the defense didnt show up.

this team has given up. its all due to the coach this new offense he implemented is just terrible, they cant run they ball, they dont run the ball when they can and they only thwo it 5 yards the qb is not the problem, its the coach
RE: I'm not going to sit here and argue with people that have made  
short lease : 11/10/2017 7:25 am : link
In comment 13676426 Britt in VA said:
[quote] up their mind.

"All I'm saying is we don't have a professional offense right now. Not the roster, not the playbook, not the coach. Nothing about our offense is good."

Yikes .... didn't they hire Mac because he was suppose to be some kind of offensive genius?

Letting TC go was like keeping Allie Sherman and letting Vince Lombardi go to the Packers.

let's see  
PaulBlakeTSU : 11/10/2017 8:58 am : link
Eli has been without his top receivers, he is a pocket passer in an offense with no pocket, he is under pressure all game from four-man rushes, and defenses are begging us to run as they sit back in coverage.

And Eli is the problem? Eli isn't a runner. Never has been. Which QB who isn't a runner is succeeding in this offense?

Brady? Even when he had this situation, he was manhandled by the Chiefs and everyone thought he was done. The biggest difference is that he had Bill Belichick running the show who adapts his schemes and strategies to match his personnel. An even if Brady could succeed with this offense, there are many who consider him the single greatest QB of all time (though I'm not one of them).

QBs are not supposed to be facing immediate pressure all game while facing variants of Cover 2.

Someone tell me how a good non-running QB is making this offense work having to throw into pass coverage to guys like King, Lewis and Rudolph?
You don't need to be a runner to succeed in these circumstances,  
Keith : 11/10/2017 9:03 am : link
but you do need pocket presence and fearlessness. Fearlessness to not be scared to get hit. Eli is frightened as most 37 year olds would be at this point in their careers. That's where he's diminished, IMO. Physically, I don't see him diminished. Mentally, he's not the same guy.

There are a lot of reasons this offense has been so bad for 2 seasons, but I'm sorry, Eli is one of those reasons.
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EddieNYG : 11/10/2017 9:12 am : link
Eli missed WIDE OPEN receivers vs the Rams. He had Shepard for a TD and missed him. Had another WR in the end zone and threw it out of the end zone. He was inaccurate on crossing patterns. All of this with time to throw in the pocket.

How does a two time SB MVP have to call timeout early in the first half and second half because the play clock was gonna run out.

His ball security in the pocket is not very good for a 2 time SB MVP.

Yes, he has two WRs on IR and a poor OL, but when he's had time he has made inaccurate throws.

Can Eli play better and win another championship in the NFL? Maybe.

My gut feeling after watching that game Sunday was that he looked like a QB who was done.
Keith  
PaulBlakeTSU : 11/10/2017 9:13 am : link
true, Eli would rather get rid of the ball than take a big hit out of self-preservation. But I'm not so sure I would rather have a QB who wants to stand in there. If that's the case, I fear every game will approach the 2012 NFCCG against the 49ers. I don't think any QB can withstand that every week, certainly not one I want to depend on for a season.
on the plays you reference Eddie  
PaulBlakeTSU : 11/10/2017 9:16 am : link
the throw to Sheppard and the TD miss, I remember it differently. The Rams were barrelling down on him immediately and he had to get rid of it very early.

I'd also like to see the play again, but I remember feeling surprised that Sheppard didn't jump or lay out for it. It looked within arm's reach.
Paul, it changes the way defenses play you.  
Keith : 11/10/2017 9:16 am : link
Defenses know that Eli doesn't want to get hit and they know he's going to throw it up a few times to avoid it, its much easier to play defense. Its also easier for the dline as there is blood in the water.
what's easy for the DLine  
PaulBlakeTSU : 11/10/2017 9:18 am : link
is rag-dolling guys like Fluker and Jerry. The D-line is getting pressure with four guys on a consistent basis and dropping LBs into coverage for all the short routes.

I really don't see what Eli is supposed to do in these situations.
Paul,  
Keith : 11/10/2017 9:20 am : link
that's the NFL. Not every QB has all day like Dak Prescott to sit back and scan the field and hit guys running open. You need to make accurate throws under duress. Eli cannot do that.

RE: You don't need to be a runner to succeed in these circumstances,  
Britt in VA : 11/10/2017 9:20 am : link
In comment 13684592 Keith said:
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but you do need pocket presence and fearlessness. Fearlessness to not be scared to get hit. Eli is frightened as most 37 year olds would be at this point in their careers. That's where he's diminished, IMO. Physically, I don't see him diminished. Mentally, he's not the same guy.

There are a lot of reasons this offense has been so bad for 2 seasons, but I'm sorry, Eli is one of those reasons.


What a crock of sh-t. Eli is scared?
Paul,  
Keith : 11/10/2017 9:21 am : link
alot of times yes, definitely not all the time. When he does have time, he's ducking and hearing footsteps. He's got happy feet back there. Trying to suggest that he's under pressure every drop back is being a little disingenuous.
Eli isn't done,  
Keith : 11/10/2017 9:23 am : link
but he's done on the giants. I don't think we will ever be able to win with Eli and this current situation. Eli would have to be in a situation like Dallas to win. A studly running game and lots of time to throw with little worry of getting hit.

RE: Eli isn't done,  
Britt in VA : 11/10/2017 9:25 am : link
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but he's done on the giants. I don't think we will ever be able to win with Eli and this current situation. Eli would have to be in a situation like Dallas to win. A studly running game and lots of time to throw with little worry of getting hit.


A lot of people keep saying that, and I'm not sure if it's because it's what they want, or what they believe.

Gun to your head, who is the starting QB of the Giants week one next season?
Britt, no offense, but I'm not interested  
Keith : 11/10/2017 9:29 am : link
in talking to you about Eli. I understand that you are a huge fan and unable to see things without bias. I can appreciate that because Eli has meant so much to the Giants and has never gotten the respect he deserves. I hate contributing to these threads because I don't want to come accross as anything other than a huge Eli fan who thinks its over.

Do I want to move on? Yes, but only because I don't see us winning with Eli, not because I don't like and appreciate Eli. As far as next year, I'm hoping there is a QB that we like that we draft early and trade Eli for assets.
Let's focus on just the one question, because that's what I'm curious  
Britt in VA : 11/10/2017 9:37 am : link
about....

Again, REALISTICALLY, who is the starting QB for the Giants week 1, next year?

I keep reading that Eli is done with the Giants....

1. He has two years left on his contract.
2. He has a no trade clause
3. There is not a viable replacement for him right now
4. Even if you draft one, why wouldn't you let him sit and learn behind one of the most professional workers in the league?
5. The offense, as currently constructed and coached, is not going to allow any QB to be successful.
6. The new coach has a bunch of reasons to keep Manning around. The league is built with parity so teams can turn things around quickly. There actually IS talent on this roster. A couple of thrifty offensive line signings by the new GM, and a new offensive philosophy, the new coach might be able to get something together and having a veteran QB to manage it is an asset.
7. The new coach could also hedge his bets by keeping Manning around while grooming his replacement, and if things go bad early, he can sit Manning (like Warner), and go with the rookie. Which would buy him some time because hey, it's a rookie QB that has to go through growing pains.

There is pretty much ZERO logical reasoning that says Eli Manning is done as a Giant.

Wishful thinking by some, perhaps, but not reality.
And you can call me a homer or whatever....  
Britt in VA : 11/10/2017 9:39 am : link
but what I just posted is completely logical. It's not emotional, it's completely rooted in the reality of the business decision that needs to be made on Manning.
RE: Let's focus on just the one question, because that's what I'm curious  
bigbluehoya : 11/10/2017 9:42 am : link
In comment 13684646 Britt in VA said:
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about....

Again, REALISTICALLY, who is the starting QB for the Giants week 1, next year?

I keep reading that Eli is done with the Giants....

1. He has two years left on his contract.
2. He has a no trade clause
3. There is not a viable replacement for him right now
4. Even if you draft one, why wouldn't you let him sit and learn behind one of the most professional workers in the league?
5. The offense, as currently constructed and coached, is not going to allow any QB to be successful.
6. The new coach has a bunch of reasons to keep Manning around. The league is built with parity so teams can turn things around quickly. There actually IS talent on this roster. A couple of thrifty offensive line signings by the new GM, and a new offensive philosophy, the new coach might be able to get something together and having a veteran QB to manage it is an asset.
7. The new coach could also hedge his bets by keeping Manning around while grooming his replacement, and if things go bad early, he can sit Manning (like Warner), and go with the rookie. Which would buy him some time because hey, it's a rookie QB that has to go through growing pains.

There is pretty much ZERO logical reasoning that says Eli Manning is done as a Giant.

Wishful thinking by some, perhaps, but not reality.


I happen to agree that Eli is the starter 2018 Week 1, but thereís an equally logical possibility that y
Continued  
bigbluehoya : 11/10/2017 9:45 am : link
...that you are ignoring.

If a new GM and coach come in, and the decision is that the roster is a complete tear-down project, they may choose to cut Eli in the offseason simply to take the entire dead cap in 2018 and be done with it.

Again, not saying itís likely. It does make some business sense though, depending on the direction being taken.
If they were to cut him....  
Britt in VA : 11/10/2017 9:49 am : link
Which option looks better from an overall business standpoint?

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the Giants could cut him outright and save $9.8 million against next year's cap (though they'd also have to eat a $12.4 million dead-money charge). If they keep him for 2018, they could cut him after that season and save $17 million against their 2019 cap (with a dead-money charge of $6.2 million).


Keep in mind, cutting him next year means the rookie QB or Webb is the day 1 starter.

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I hope Eli proves me wrong  
EddieNYG : 11/10/2017 9:53 am : link
But my gut reaction to his performance on Sunday was "he is done". I'm not gonna apologize for feeling that way, nor am I looking to get rid of him.

As of right now, he is the starting QB in 2018 and 2019. He's under contract for those years.

Cutting a 2-time SB MVP QB would not sit well with me or other fans.

I could take trading him, but cutting him is wrong IMO.
RE: If they were to cut him....  
bigbluehoya : 11/10/2017 9:59 am : link
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the Giants could cut him outright and save $9.8 million against next year's cap (though they'd also have to eat a $12.4 million dead-money charge). If they keep him for 2018, they could cut him after that season and save $17 million against their 2019 cap (with a dead-money charge of $6.2 million).

Keep in mind, cutting him next year means the rookie QB or Webb is the day 1 starter. Link - ( New Window )


Youíd have to ask whoever the GM is. If next year is viewed as a wash, having a completely clean slate for 2019 could easily be viewed as the better of those two alternatives.
I personally think it would be a foolish business decision....  
Britt in VA : 11/10/2017 10:01 am : link
to consider next season a wash before the team ever took the field....

But you are right, it is the next GM's decision to make.
I'd say there is a better chance Eli is the QB  
Keith : 11/10/2017 10:15 am : link
of the Giants next year than not.

1. I think he's done winning in NY. I don't think we will be able to build a team Eli can win on in NY.

2. I think the Giants owe it to Eli to put him in a better situation. Explore a trade that Eli agrees with or cut him and let him go wherever he wants.
At the downward pitch this team is heading, tough to imagine  
Jimmy Googs : 11/10/2017 4:43 pm : link
same folks at the top leading the charge which means less likely Eli is at the helm at QB.

And pointedly, I don't want him to be and I have been an Eli supporter thru the years.

The team has to start over at the base before this will get better. And even if that means some other veteran backup type QB is starting day one before we put in Webb or a new franchise drafted QB than so be it.

If Eli is on the team it will slow down this rebuilding...
ELI's turnovers  
jmalls23 : 11/14/2017 11:58 am : link
Eli can certainly still make most of the throws but come on.... he loses the ball when hit with such consistency and has been picked in the most crucial spots for a very long time. He changes the momentum against us way too much. happened before all of our WR's went down
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