He is missing wide open receivers. His pocket awareness with feeling pressure keeps getting worse and he fumbled twice, losing one of them. That throw into double coverage looks like a rookie mistake.
I hate to admit this, but Eli Manning is part of the problem of why this offense is so atrocious.
Eli isn't the type of QB who can overcome poor pass pro and a severe lack of weapons at this stage.
He can't carry a team like he did in 2011. He's older now - he's not Tom Brady. It is what it is.
He is also playing with guys that were on the couch 3 weeks ago.
Chemistry is important.
He's playing awful and worse than anybody on that Offense right now...
I've been the biggest Eli Manning defender/supporter, but he looks like an old, washed up QB.
Funny how a legitimate coaching staff and the right player acquisitions can change the perception of a QB.
We all knew he wouldn't play forever; now it's time to admit that his time has come.
All I'm saying is we don't have a professional offense right now. Not the roster, not the playbook, not the coach. Nothing about our offense is good.
If you want to pin that all on one guy, go ahead. I don't agree, but I'm also done wasting my time arguing about it.
Here's the deal. Eli will be the starting QB for the Giants next year. He's not getting bench, Webb is likely not the future, and Eli, barring catastrophic injury, WILL BE THE STARTING QB OF THE NEW YORK GIANTS WEEK ONE OF 2018.
It's a lock.
Funny how a legitimate coaching staff and the right player acquisitions can change the perception of a QB.
Goff was a ROOKIE.
Eli is a two-time Super Bowl MVP.
Big difference
Either Eli is the problem or his circumstances are the problem.
Here's the truth...
Eli hasn't played well, but has also been hurt by poor protection, injuries and some crappy coaching.
It actually CAN be both things.
Eli is a NY legend and deserves better than this in a lot of ways. But there is no transformation for NYG that will turn it around. He will only decline go forward.
And comparing Goff to Eli? Goff was a rookie! Nobody crapped on Eli for his bad 2004 games. What an inappropriate and terrible comparison.
Either Eli is the problem or his circumstances are the problem.
Here's the truth...
Eli hasn't played well, but has also been hurt by poor protection, injuries and some crappy coaching.
It actually CAN be both things.
Sure it can, but how can you evaluate it? I know we have a bunch of professional scouts here on BBI, but still...
Eli is a NY legend and deserves better than this in a lot of ways. But there is no transformation for NYG that will turn it around. He will only decline go forward.
And comparing Goff to Eli? Goff was a rookie! Nobody crapped on Eli for his bad 2004 games. What an inappropriate and terrible comparison.
Exactly!
Funny how a legitimate coaching staff and the right player acquisitions can change the perception of a QB.
True. However Eli turns 37 in January. The hourglass is running out on
Eli.
Either Eli is the problem or his circumstances are the problem.
Here's the truth...
Eli hasn't played well, but has also been hurt by poor protection, injuries and some crappy coaching.
It actually CAN be both things.
this
Dont disagree he will start. But I was hoping Giants could take the stance of drafting o line and rb and d and avoid a qb pick.
looks like they will have to make one now with an early pick.
All I'm saying is we don't have a professional offense right now. Not the roster, not the playbook, not the coach. Nothing about our offense is good.
If you want to pin that all on one guy, go ahead. I don't agree, but I'm also done wasting my time arguing about it.
Here's the deal. Eli will be the starting QB for the Giants next year. He's not getting bench, Webb is likely not the future, and Eli, barring catastrophic injury, WILL BE THE STARTING QB OF THE NEW YORK GIANTS WEEK ONE OF 2018.
It's a lock.
Who said it's all on him?
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The biggest problem is that so many people here have to have it one way or another.
Either Eli is the problem or his circumstances are the problem.
Here's the truth...
Eli hasn't played well, but has also been hurt by poor protection, injuries and some crappy coaching.
It actually CAN be both things.
Sure it can, but how can you evaluate it? I know we have a bunch of professional scouts here on BBI, but still...
That's what people in the front office are being paid to do.
It is both things. It's not one or the other. But it's up to them to figure out the best course of action going forward.
I'm not sure Reese will survive this mess - so, whoever comes next is going to have to make a decision.
I am of the belief that this isn't all Eli's fault - but that he does have a hand in it. If I had strong convictions about a QB in this draft, I would certainly take him.
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up their mind.
All I'm saying is we don't have a professional offense right now. Not the roster, not the playbook, not the coach. Nothing about our offense is good.
If you want to pin that all on one guy, go ahead. I don't agree, but I'm also done wasting my time arguing about it.
Here's the deal. Eli will be the starting QB for the Giants next year. He's not getting bench, Webb is likely not the future, and Eli, barring catastrophic injury, WILL BE THE STARTING QB OF THE NEW YORK GIANTS WEEK ONE OF 2018.
It's a lock.
Who said it's all on him?
That's all that's being talked about on the offensive side of the ball on the game thread. That's what this thread is about.
All I'm saying is, for me, it's impossible to evaluate Eli right now based on a. the state of the roster, and b. the state of the coaching staff.
Those days are over Dave. You don’t take a QB in the top 5 of the draft and sit him.
Funny how a legitimate coaching staff and the right player acquisitions can change the perception of a QB.
Was the coaching staff somehow not legitimate for those years? I'll give you talent, as we all agreed that was lacking, but these throws aren't where they're supposed to be, and that's not on the intended receiver. And him fumbling on contact regularly isn't on coaching when you're in year 13 of your career.
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You have Eli there to take the hits and losses in what will be a major rebuilding season, and hand it off to the kid when things are in place and we are ready to win/or at least compete to be a winning team again.
Those days are over Dave. You don’t take a QB in the top 5 of the draft and sit him.
They can if they want, or play him. It's going to be the new head coach and GM's decision.
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You have Eli there to take the hits and losses in what will be a major rebuilding season, and hand it off to the kid when things are in place and we are ready to win/or at least compete to be a winning team again.
Those days are over Dave. You don’t take a QB in the top 5 of the draft and sit him.
Didn't we do that with Eli?
The best thing the giants can do is pull him from this game in a way conceding and throw Webb out there to see whether they need to draft a Qb at the top of the draft or if they have their guy in house.
You can still do it when the circumstances make sense.
And calling that timeout cause the play clock runs down for the second time today is a disgrace.
A line of that quality even with who we've drafted would cost an additional 30 million in cap space per year. In a cap league that's virtually untenable if you want to have a defense and retain guys like Collins and Beckham.
Eli is a major negative given all the needs associated with his game. If he didn't cost 25 mill per or the league wasn't a hard cap, it'd be a different scenario.
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Tavaris King and Travis Rudolph trying to get open, with that kindergarten O-line, I'm shocked anybody can evaluate Manning. (in the rain!)
he has engrams and Shepard both of whom have talent
Oh stop.
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Funny how a legitimate coaching staff and the right player acquisitions can change the perception of a QB.
Was the coaching staff somehow not legitimate for those years? I'll give you talent, as we all agreed that was lacking, but these throws aren't where they're supposed to be, and that's not on the intended receiver. And him fumbling on contact regularly isn't on coaching when you're in year 13 of your career.
Prior years have nothing to do with this year. This year I see a coaching staff who struggles to even find the right starting guys from his 53. I see a vanilla, pre-season style scheme offensively. I see opponents consistently exploit our weaknesses on offense and defense, and a FO that’s too stupid or stubborn to address those weaknesses.
I get it that a sizable group wants Eli to be the sacrificial lamb, but he can still play — and a shiny new QB won’t solve the problems. At this point there’s a better chance a draft pick QB or Webb will become David Carr than a legitimate franchise QB.
You can still do it when the circumstances make sense.
And in the case for the Giants it makes zero sense. Look how good Wentz and Goff are in their second years after going through their lumps as rookies. Having Eli under center next year will only delay the rebuild. Take a QB high and let him play next year. Use the $10M in cap savings in 2018 and the completely opened up cap in 2019 from the Eli release to build a team around the young QB.
But the real question is whether you want to do a major rebuild around a 37 year old QB. I just don't see that as an intelligent approach when you have the opportunity to possibly draft your next franchise QB.