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| There are transformative events for every franchise, moments that come to define a particular season or era and often shape the course of that team’s immediate and long-term future. What happened in Sunday’s meltdown against the Rams will very likely be one of those events, and the Giants may never be quite the same as a result. |
Upper management needs to go, been GM over 10 years . New blood required.
Is MacMagoo an 11-5 coach or 3-13 coach?
Spags is not answer as HC.Are the play calls bad or is Eli shot? My answers Eli is shot.
next year starts today... better figure out answers
McVay and general manager Andy Robustelli were fired at season’s end, and the Giants’ savior turned out to be a burly, bespectacled general manager named George Young. The Dolphins personnel director was the compromise choice agreed to by the feuding Mara family (Wellington and his nephew, co-owner Tim Mara, were not speaking to one another). Young first hired Ray Perkins, and later Bill Parcells, and the Giants were transformed into two-time Super Bowl champions.
This time, it was McVay’s grandson, Sean, the wunderkind first-year coach of the Rams, who may have hastened the eventual change of direction. Sean McVay, who doubles as the Rams’ offensive coordinator, has done a phenomenal job of turning around the Rams and turning Jared Goff into the kind of big-time quarterback the team envisioned when they took him at No. 1 overall in the 2016 draft. The play-caller and his quarterback picked apart Mara’s team with a surgeon’s scalpel, out-coaching McAdoo at every turn and leaving the Giants utterly embarrassed.
If so that is absurd reasoning on McVay
Better to be bad than pretty bad. No crappy middle ground. If they battled and fought and slogged their way to a 6-7 win season I have little doubt Mara sticks with mcadoo. Now he has no choice. Unless mcadoo goes on to greatness with another franchise we will be better off. Mcadoo won't sniff another HC job anyway. Probably won't even get a coordinator job.
2007 and 2011 would never have happened without the abomination that was 2003 - so, let's hope.
While his value is as low as it could possibly get?
How many teams are giving up a decent pick for a guy who basically just quit on the field and has struggled all year?
Sure, GM mistakes have given us a flawed roster. Sure, our HC is proving a failure and seems to have lost the locker room.
But fuck the players too, they’re getting paid well to go out and play hard and compete regardless. Any guy not showing up on time for commitments, not going all out to chase down plays on the backside, not sustaining their blocks, not finishing their routes as receivers should be traded or cut this offseason. I don’t care if they don’t like the coaches, and can live with a team that’s not good enough talent-wise. But lack of effort is inexcusable.
Parcels cleaned house in the locker room after the 83 debacle. We need a new GM, a new head coach and staff, then let them drop the hammer on some of these fucking bums.
I also hope the new GM and coach spend less time worrying about playing music during practice to make these fucking millennial snowflakes happy, and more time showing them what it means to be a professional.
Not sure what 'millennials' have to do with it either. They were winless when everyone showed up on time too.
No chance.
He gone!
Not sure what 'millennials' have to do with it either. They were winless when everyone showed up on time too.
But at least they were trying when they were 0-4. Yesterday they weren't trying. Their effort was shameful. That's not just on the coach for doing a bad job, that's also on the players.
Who's saying anything about being parents and chaperones? I'm talking about being a coach and a leader. We've spent 2 years reading about all the nice things McAdoo has done to cater to the younger generation, and halfway through his second season they have zero respect for him.
Jerry, give up! It’s over.
Rflairr : 6:50 pm : link : reply
HIS OWN COACH
His ass needs to be fired.
But at least they were trying when they were 0-4. Yesterday they weren't trying. Their effort was shameful. That's not just on the coach for doing a bad job, that's also on the players.
Who's saying anything about being parents and chaperones? I'm talking about being a coach and a leader. We've spent 2 years reading about all the nice things McAdoo has done to cater to the younger generation, and halfway through his second season they have zero respect for him.
Here's my problem with this analysis. The team did seem to be trying to start the game.
The Giants in fact looked good for about 20 minutes or so. The offense had some great runs early. They just did what Coach McAdoo's teams have consistently done - which is to play inconsistently.
At a certain point, the whole thing unraveled, and if you want to say that they stopped trying that's fine. This though, is a reflection of their beliefs of what the team is capable of though. If the players have stopped believing in the team's ability to recover from negative plays, who does that fall on? I suggest it falls on the coaches, who have not done a good job of making adjustments to win games.
Mook, I concur.............sometimes you have to hit rock bottom to get things going in the right direction.
Reese's blueprint is all over this roster.
He's gone. Let the new GM structure the organization the way he wishes.
And screw Chris Mara.....a GM with the right approach will push him off to the side..........
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But at least they were trying when they were 0-4. Yesterday they weren't trying. Their effort was shameful. That's not just on the coach for doing a bad job, that's also on the players.
Who's saying anything about being parents and chaperones? I'm talking about being a coach and a leader. We've spent 2 years reading about all the nice things McAdoo has done to cater to the younger generation, and halfway through his second season they have zero respect for him.
Here's my problem with this analysis. The team did seem to be trying to start the game.
The Giants in fact looked good for about 20 minutes or so. The offense had some great runs early. They just did what Coach McAdoo's teams have consistently done - which is to play inconsistently.
At a certain point, the whole thing unraveled, and if you want to say that they stopped trying that's fine. This though, is a reflection of their beliefs of what the team is capable of though. If the players have stopped believing in the team's ability to recover from negative plays, who does that fall on? I suggest it falls on the coaches, who have not done a good job of making adjustments to win games.
I'm not absolving the coaches - that's been the root of the issue all season.
I'm just saying the players aren't blameless. Rewatch that 3rd and 33 play. Multiple players on defense stood and watched. Zero hustle. Zero heart. Zero professionalism.
I'm just one fan offering an opinion, and full disclosure, I was always a Parcells/Coughlin guy.
I'd like to see the Giants bring back that type of coach.
Reese is the one making the picks. His track record was originally gambling on players with Injuries, to prioritizing play makers.
I have been kissed at Reese since he drafted David Wilson who was a luxury pick in my book. Same with that receiving te from years back Travis Beckum and Moss in rd 3.
Reese gambled on Moore, Austin, Randle and Owa. They all had clear risks.
Taking OL from rd 4 on for years and continually striking out for luxury and risky picks is in the front office decision making not the scouts.
DRC is one of the Giants best players and has serious heart. Not sure why ownership wants him out.
2. Reese. You hire a GM and let that guy decide the fate of the coaches, Marc Ross and the scouts.
Watch Berhe too. After getting knocked on his butt early, he got up on his feet and hustled trying to make the play. Almost did too.
Let's fucking HOPE NOT!!!
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But at least they were trying when they were 0-4. Yesterday they weren't trying. Their effort was shameful. That's not just on the coach for doing a bad job, that's also on the players.
Who's saying anything about being parents and chaperones? I'm talking about being a coach and a leader. We've spent 2 years reading about all the nice things McAdoo has done to cater to the younger generation, and halfway through his second season they have zero respect for him.
Here's my problem with this analysis. The team did seem to be trying to start the game.
The Giants in fact looked good for about 20 minutes or so. The offense had some great runs early. They just did what Coach McAdoo's teams have consistently done - which is to play inconsistently.
At a certain point, the whole thing unraveled, and if you want to say that they stopped trying that's fine. This though, is a reflection of their beliefs of what the team is capable of though. If the players have stopped believing in the team's ability to recover from negative plays, who does that fall on? I suggest it falls on the coaches, who have not done a good job of making adjustments to win games.
I'm not absolving the coaches - that's been the root of the issue all season.
I'm just saying the players aren't blameless. Rewatch that 3rd and 33 play. Multiple players on defense stood and watched. Zero hustle. Zero heart. Zero professionalism.
I'm just one fan offering an opinion, and full disclosure, I was always a Parcells/Coughlin guy.
I'd like to see the Giants bring back that type of coach.
I have a lot of memories from 2012 to 2015 of bad giants teams getting blown out while playing for Coughlin, that type of "tough" coach.
A yelling coach works in the 80s and 90s. It doesn't work now. If your argument is that players are unprofessional and quit, what is a coach that yells and threatens to not play you going to do? Yelling doesn't hurt more than playing the physical pain that comes with an nfl football game that means nothing because you're 1-6. It's one thing to take the risks and play when there's something at stake. 2017 is over. At this point, as a player, you're praying to god you don't take a hit that tears an acl or breaks a bone and forces you miss time next year. One of the hardest things to do is coach through a disaster season like this. You're asking players to gamble with their careers and buy in for things like team pride and making the fans happy, none of which are going to actually be appreciated in the long haul.
Rflairr is right!
If Reese is fired he won't be out of a job long. Not with his resume. And it's highly unlikely that whoever his successor mat be will ever sniff a super bowl.
Will it feel good to fire him? Maybe. But not for long.