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Davis Webb reminds me of

Breeze_94 : 11/7/2017 5:12 pm
Brandon Weeden. Does anyone else get this kind of feeling after watching his college games? He throws a beautiful ball, and has a nice release. That alone will keep him in the league.

But, he will never be a good starter. He is a statue and stiff in the pocket. He holds the ball forever and while he throws a great deep ball and has nice touch, his accuracy over the middle/on intermediate passes is shaky. Plus, he had a ton of turnovers in college. Also played in a similar air raid system where he was given a ton of easy throws due to spacing and didn't have to make many throws in tight windows.

In terms of his mechanics, his pump fake is weird(takes too long) and footwork is horrible. He fades away from the pocket and backpedals away from the rush instead of stepping up or moving parralel to the line of scrimmage. I saw Collinsworth discussing on SNF, basically say that is the reason why Jay Cutler struggles.
November 2017  
TommytheElephant : 11/7/2017 5:19 pm : link
Now I get it
Hmmmm...  
BamaBlue : 11/7/2017 5:21 pm : link
reminds me of this guy

With the deterioration in the  
lecky : 11/7/2017 5:21 pm : link
quality of offensive lineman, or the defenses just getting better, the stationary QB is a thing of the past. That is why Eli Manning is not a viable QB for this offense.
RE: With the deterioration in the  
Mike from SI : 11/7/2017 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13681118 lecky said:
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quality of offensive lineman, or the defenses just getting better, the stationary QB is a thing of the past. That is why Eli Manning is not a viable QB for this offense.


Yeah Brady and Brees suck.
RE: RE: With the deterioration in the  
FireJerryReese : 11/7/2017 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13681119 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 13681118 lecky said:


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quality of offensive lineman, or the defenses just getting better, the stationary QB is a thing of the past. That is why Eli Manning is not a viable QB for this offense.



Yeah Brady and Brees suck.


Matt Ryan

Philip Rivers
RE: November 2017  
Breeze_94 : 11/7/2017 5:37 pm : link
In comment 13681114 TommytheElephant said:
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Now I get it
I am sharing my oppinion and seeing if anyone else has a similar viewpoint. The fact that I joined in November 2017 is irrelevant.
We won't know until  
Les in TO : 11/7/2017 5:40 pm : link
He gets some reps. Hopefully he'll have a chance.
I have no idea what Davis Webb is, or will be,  
81_Great_Dane : 11/7/2017 6:08 pm : link
but I don't see how it can possibly be fair to liken him to Brandon Weedon at this stage of his career.

Weeden was a 28-year-old rookie in 2012. Webb is 22. Whatever similarities may exist between Weedon's flaws and Webb's, Webb still has time to learn and correct them. Weedon really didn't.
Curious  
Samiam : 11/7/2017 6:45 pm : link
Is this analysis based on coaches film or watching television or YouTube?
All 22  
Breeze_94 : 11/7/2017 6:48 pm : link
film
A ton of turnovers?  
B in ALB : 11/7/2017 6:59 pm : link
He was 83/34 TD.INT in his college career.

By comparison - Dak Prescott was 70/22 - very similar.

Deshaun Watson was 90/32.

Neither of those guys was pegged as having "a ton of turnovers."

Why are you characterizing Webb that way?
I agree with the Matt Ryan comparison  
PatersonPlank : 11/7/2017 7:00 pm : link
at least for now until we see more.
You lost me at  
BigBlueShock : 11/7/2017 7:04 pm : link
“He’s a statue”. You should do some more research on a player before starting threads with misinformation.
And I should also mention that  
B in ALB : 11/7/2017 7:28 pm : link
Webb had approximately 200 more PAs than Prescott and 150 more than Watson during college.

Those guys are more "turnover machines" than Webb.

Again, someone just blurts out madness. Fuckin hell.
RE: All 22  
Dan in the Springs : 11/7/2017 7:30 pm : link
In comment 13681215 Breeze_94 said:
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Out of curiosity, how do you get access to all-22 film of Webb's college games?
RE: With the deterioration in the  
an_idol_mind : 11/7/2017 7:32 pm : link
In comment 13681118 lecky said:
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quality of offensive lineman, or the defenses just getting better, the stationary QB is a thing of the past. That is why Eli Manning is not a viable QB for this offense.


There's not a viable QB out there for an offense that has a terrible offensive line, no receivers, and no running game.
With regards to him being a statue...  
Dan in the Springs : 11/7/2017 7:34 pm : link
I sure hope you're wrong on that. One of the most impressive things I saw from him this preseason was on his very first drive - he was looking downfield and had pressure - he slightly dipped his shoulder to avoid the grab of the DE and stepped up in the pocket to throw the ball. Now it doesn't mean anything by itself - just one play. But I liked it as it appeared to be evidence of good pocket presence and poise.

I admit having barely watched any of his college play. Mostly I've seen highlights from college. I'm anxious to see him now.

I also don't like making conclusions based off of college play either. One thing this guy is supposed to be is a hard worker - dedicated to improving his craft and extremely coachable. It is reasonable to expect any rookie to make mistakes and for vets to grow and improve with their experience. Why not Webb?
RE: With regards to him being a statue...  
BigBlueShock : 11/7/2017 7:38 pm : link
In comment 13681253 Dan in the Springs said:
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I sure hope you're wrong on that. One of the most impressive things I saw from him this preseason was on his very first drive - he was looking downfield and had pressure - he slightly dipped his shoulder to avoid the grab of the DE and stepped up in the pocket to throw the ball. Now it doesn't mean anything by itself - just one play. But I liked it as it appeared to be evidence of good pocket presence and poise.

I admit having barely watched any of his college play. Mostly I've seen highlights from college. I'm anxious to see him now.

I also don't like making conclusions based off of college play either. One thing this guy is supposed to be is a hard worker - dedicated to improving his craft and extremely coachable. It is reasonable to expect any rookie to make mistakes and for vets to grow and improve with their experience. Why not Webb?

Again, Webb is NOT a statue. Go read some of his scouting reports. He’s got good mobility. Just because he’s a pocket passer doesn’t mean he’s a statue.
People seem to think that  
B in ALB : 11/7/2017 7:42 pm : link
just because a guy doesn't run for a lot of yards that he's not mobile or that he's a statue in the pocket. More absurdity. Not to mention the system he played in didn't necessitate a running QB. Nor does this one - hence the pick.
RE: RE: With regards to him being a statue...  
Dan in the Springs : 11/7/2017 8:11 pm : link
In comment 13681259 BigBlueShock said:
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Again, Webb is NOT a statue. Go read some of his scouting reports. He’s got good mobility. Just because he’s a pocket passer doesn’t mean he’s a statue.


To be clear, I wasn't saying he is a statue, just hoping this guy is wrong. I haven't seen enough tape to know. I agree the reports definitely suggest he has more than enough mobility to escape pressure, even if he isn't a running QB.
RE: RE: All 22  
figgy2989 : 11/7/2017 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13681248 Dan in the Springs said:
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Out of curiosity, how do you get access to all-22 film of Webb's college games?


This is an excellent observation
Here's my observation  
Blue Moon : 11/7/2017 8:57 pm : link
Another wasted 3rd round pick by the Empty Suit.
RE: A ton of turnovers?  
Breeze_94 : 11/7/2017 9:01 pm : link
In comment 13681224 B in ALB said:
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He was 83/34 TD.INT in his college career.

By comparison - Dak Prescott was 70/22 - very similar.

Deshaun Watson was 90/32.

Neither of those guys was pegged as having "a ton of turnovers."

Why are you characterizing Webb that way?


Stats don't always tell the entire story. I see a guy who struggles reading the field and locks onto his receivers. Check out these gifs from back to back plays
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Second gif  
Breeze_94 : 11/7/2017 9:03 pm : link
of a near INT
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There is also this GIF  
Breeze_94 : 11/7/2017 9:06 pm : link
of another sloppy play by Davis
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I am almost certain this guy  
BrianLeonard23 : 11/7/2017 9:09 pm : link
will never play QB for us. The next regime won’t have any attachment to him and will want to draft and develop their own guy. Playing him this year is pretty useless.
RE: You lost me at  
Breeze_94 : 11/7/2017 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13681229 BigBlueShock said:
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“He’s a statue”. You should do some more research on a player before starting threads with misinformation.


Maybe statue is a bit harsh but he has below average mobility. He is a very stiff athlete. He is not great at extending plays.
RE: I am almost certain this guy  
Breeze_94 : 11/7/2017 9:14 pm : link
In comment 13681348 BrianLeonard23 said:
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will never play QB for us. The next regime won’t have any attachment to him and will want to draft and develop their own guy. Playing him this year is pretty useless.


Agreed. A new regime is going to want their own guy. I have a feeling McAdoo had a lot to do with the Webb pick. I read something earlier that he was pushing for Webb in RD 2. It makes sense that he is trying to force the issue and get him playing time.
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RE: RE: You lost me at  
PatersonPlank : 11/7/2017 9:16 pm : link
In comment 13681349 Breeze_94 said:
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In comment 13681229 BigBlueShock said:


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“He’s a statue”. You should do some more research on a player before starting threads with misinformation.



Maybe statue is a bit harsh but he has below average mobility. He is a very stiff athlete. He is not great at extending plays.


He does not have average mobility. He is much more mobile than that. He does what the top QB's do, use his mobility to buy time and extend plays. He doesn't use it to rush for yards, which gets QB's killed in the NFL but works in college.
@Breeze:  
BrianLeonard23 : 11/7/2017 9:22 pm : link
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“We had him graded fairly high,” coach Ben McAdoo said after the selection.

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McAdoo is also believed to have pushed for Webb in the second round. He was especially high on his new quarterback of the future.

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This is saying something. McAdoo had never met Webb before. His evaluation admittedly was based on film study.
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YIKES. Never met him? I’m not 100% on the entire pre-draft process but I would think that at the very least that QB is the position where the most extensive homework is done. The fact that he never met with and I am also assuming from this piece that he never even contacted Webb prior to pushing for drafting him in round 2? And this coach is a QB guru, right? That’s what he was billed as. And he wants to hitch his wagon to a QB that he never bothered reaching out to? He was that sure about Webb just by watching him on film? What was he doing in the offseason that he couldn’t meet with the apple of his eye, his future franchise quarterback?
I have never seen so many people  
Breeze_94 : 11/7/2017 9:25 pm : link
Invest so much hope into a 3rd round quarterback. If this guy is so great and has no flaws like the ones I am pointing out, why did he fall to the end of the 3rd round? Why was he unable to beat out Patrick Mahomes?

Cody Kessler, Garrett Grayson, Sean Mannion, Mike Glennon, Nick Foles, Russell Wilson*, Ryan Mallett, Colt McCoy, Jacoby Brissett, CJ Beahard and Davis Webb. Those are all of the 3rd round QB's since 2010. How many of them are franchise QBs?

I count Wilson, and MAYBE Brissett can be a decent starter. All I am saying is people are being overly optimistic about Webb. If the Giants have a chance at Darnold/Rosen, they would be dumb to pass it up because of Davis Freakin' Webb.
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BrianLeonard23 : 11/7/2017 9:25 pm : link
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What Breeze is saying is consistent with Drew Boylhart's profile...  
Milton : 11/7/2017 9:41 pm : link
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Davis might fit a west coast offense but his lack of consistency and accuracy getting rid of the ball will affect his ability to be successful in any style of offense. All of his problems come from his lack of mechanics in his footwork. It affects his accuracy, velocity, and consistency. Davis also lacks common sense in his decision making thinking he is a better passer than he is and trying to make passes his talents suggest are not his strengths.
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I think he could be as good as Jeff Garcia who was a good starting quarterback but right now all I see is the inconsistency of a Mark Sanchez. Every time he comes off his 1st receiver I hold my breath because I know he is either going to miss the receiver badly, throw an interception or worse throw a ball he has no business throwing because he doesn’t have that type of talent.

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After watching these highlights  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/7/2017 9:46 pm : link
I get flashbacks of Kerry Collins (guess it's the body size and #5)
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RE: I have never seen so many people  
spike : 11/7/2017 10:47 pm : link
In comment 13681365 Breeze_94 said:
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Invest so much hope into a 3rd round quarterback. If this guy is so great and has no flaws like the ones I am pointing out, why did he fall to the end of the 3rd round? Why was he unable to beat out Patrick Mahomes?

Cody Kessler, Garrett Grayson, Sean Mannion, Mike Glennon, Nick Foles, Russell Wilson*, Ryan Mallett, Colt McCoy, Jacoby Brissett, CJ Beahard and Davis Webb. Those are all of the 3rd round QB's since 2010. How many of them are franchise QBs?

I count Wilson, and MAYBE Brissett can be a decent starter. All I am saying is people are being overly optimistic about Webb. If the Giants have a chance at Darnold/Rosen, they would be dumb to pass it up because of Davis Freakin' Webb.


We all know how great Reese is at picking third rounders.
He lost all credibility will AL-22 film for college football lol  
Canton : 11/8/2017 1:16 am : link
You can’t unless you’re a coach, conference employee, or broadcaster. NFL footage is available (last I recall) via NFL GamePass, though.

Great another Beez fuckface  
Route 9 : 11/8/2017 5:14 am : link
spinoff
RE: He lost all credibility will AL-22 film for college football lol  
ajr2456 : 11/8/2017 8:23 am : link
In comment 13681516 Canton said:
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You can’t unless you’re a coach, conference employee, or broadcaster. NFL footage is available (last I recall) via NFL GamePass, though.


You could register with XOS as a media company but you’d be shelling out $10-$20,000
Webb struggled a bit with mechanics in college,  
Section331 : 11/8/2017 9:40 am : link
but he was talented enough that coaches likely didn't bother messing with him. From everything I've read about him, he's a tireless worker whose father was a coach, and will benefit greatly from NFL QB drills. I wouldn't close the book on him yet.
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lecky : 11/8/2017 9:51 am : link
In comment 13681132 FireJerryReese said:
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In comment 13681119 Mike from SI said:


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In comment 13681118 lecky said:


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quality of offensive lineman, or the defenses just getting better, the stationary QB is a thing of the past. That is why Eli Manning is not a viable QB for this offense.



Yeah Brady and Brees suck.



Matt Ryan

Philip Rivers


Thanks for proving me wrong but which one of those QB's would you rather have right now over Wentz, Wilson, Prescott, Goff or Rodgers. Glad you brought up Rivers because his illustrious career speaks for itself. 4-11 and 5-12 the last 2 years and this year will not be better.
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