Brandon Weeden. Does anyone else get this kind of feeling after watching his college games? He throws a beautiful ball, and has a nice release. That alone will keep him in the league.
But, he will never be a good starter. He is a statue and stiff in the pocket. He holds the ball forever and while he throws a great deep ball and has nice touch, his accuracy over the middle/on intermediate passes is shaky. Plus, he had a ton of turnovers in college. Also played in a similar air raid system where he was given a ton of easy throws due to spacing and didn't have to make many throws in tight windows.
In terms of his mechanics, his pump fake is weird(takes too long) and footwork is horrible. He fades away from the pocket and backpedals away from the rush instead of stepping up or moving parralel to the line of scrimmage. I saw Collinsworth discussing on SNF, basically say that is the reason why Jay Cutler struggles.
Yeah Brady and Brees suck.
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quality of offensive lineman, or the defenses just getting better, the stationary QB is a thing of the past. That is why Eli Manning is not a viable QB for this offense.
Yeah Brady and Brees suck.
Matt Ryan
Philip Rivers
Weeden was a 28-year-old rookie in 2012. Webb is 22. Whatever similarities may exist between Weedon's flaws and Webb's, Webb still has time to learn and correct them. Weedon really didn't.
By comparison - Dak Prescott was 70/22 - very similar.
Deshaun Watson was 90/32.
Neither of those guys was pegged as having "a ton of turnovers."
Why are you characterizing Webb that way?
Those guys are more "turnover machines" than Webb.
Again, someone just blurts out madness. Fuckin hell.
Out of curiosity, how do you get access to all-22 film of Webb's college games?
There's not a viable QB out there for an offense that has a terrible offensive line, no receivers, and no running game.
I admit having barely watched any of his college play. Mostly I've seen highlights from college. I'm anxious to see him now.
I also don't like making conclusions based off of college play either. One thing this guy is supposed to be is a hard worker - dedicated to improving his craft and extremely coachable. It is reasonable to expect any rookie to make mistakes and for vets to grow and improve with their experience. Why not Webb?
I admit having barely watched any of his college play. Mostly I've seen highlights from college. I'm anxious to see him now.
I also don't like making conclusions based off of college play either. One thing this guy is supposed to be is a hard worker - dedicated to improving his craft and extremely coachable. It is reasonable to expect any rookie to make mistakes and for vets to grow and improve with their experience. Why not Webb?
Again, Webb is NOT a statue. Go read some of his scouting reports. He’s got good mobility. Just because he’s a pocket passer doesn’t mean he’s a statue.
Again, Webb is NOT a statue. Go read some of his scouting reports. He’s got good mobility. Just because he’s a pocket passer doesn’t mean he’s a statue.
To be clear, I wasn't saying he is a statue, just hoping this guy is wrong. I haven't seen enough tape to know. I agree the reports definitely suggest he has more than enough mobility to escape pressure, even if he isn't a running QB.
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Out of curiosity, how do you get access to all-22 film of Webb's college games?
This is an excellent observation
By comparison - Dak Prescott was 70/22 - very similar.
Deshaun Watson was 90/32.
Neither of those guys was pegged as having "a ton of turnovers."
Why are you characterizing Webb that way?
Stats don't always tell the entire story. I see a guy who struggles reading the field and locks onto his receivers. Check out these gifs from back to back plays
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Maybe statue is a bit harsh but he has below average mobility. He is a very stiff athlete. He is not great at extending plays.
Agreed. A new regime is going to want their own guy. I have a feeling McAdoo had a lot to do with the Webb pick. I read something earlier that he was pushing for Webb in RD 2. It makes sense that he is trying to force the issue and get him playing time.
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“He’s a statue”. You should do some more research on a player before starting threads with misinformation.
Maybe statue is a bit harsh but he has below average mobility. He is a very stiff athlete. He is not great at extending plays.
He does not have average mobility. He is much more mobile than that. He does what the top QB's do, use his mobility to buy time and extend plays. He doesn't use it to rush for yards, which gets QB's killed in the NFL but works in college.
“We had him graded fairly high,” coach Ben McAdoo said after the selection.
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McAdoo is also believed to have pushed for Webb in the second round. He was especially high on his new quarterback of the future.
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This is saying something. McAdoo had never met Webb before. His evaluation admittedly was based on film study.
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YIKES. Never met him? I’m not 100% on the entire pre-draft process but I would think that at the very least that QB is the position where the most extensive homework is done. The fact that he never met with and I am also assuming from this piece that he never even contacted Webb prior to pushing for drafting him in round 2? And this coach is a QB guru, right? That’s what he was billed as. And he wants to hitch his wagon to a QB that he never bothered reaching out to? He was that sure about Webb just by watching him on film? What was he doing in the offseason that he couldn’t meet with the apple of his eye, his future franchise quarterback?
Cody Kessler, Garrett Grayson, Sean Mannion, Mike Glennon, Nick Foles, Russell Wilson*, Ryan Mallett, Colt McCoy, Jacoby Brissett, CJ Beahard and Davis Webb. Those are all of the 3rd round QB's since 2010. How many of them are franchise QBs?
I count Wilson, and MAYBE Brissett can be a decent starter. All I am saying is people are being overly optimistic about Webb. If the Giants have a chance at Darnold/Rosen, they would be dumb to pass it up because of Davis Freakin' Webb.
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Cody Kessler, Garrett Grayson, Sean Mannion, Mike Glennon, Nick Foles, Russell Wilson*, Ryan Mallett, Colt McCoy, Jacoby Brissett, CJ Beahard and Davis Webb. Those are all of the 3rd round QB's since 2010. How many of them are franchise QBs?
I count Wilson, and MAYBE Brissett can be a decent starter. All I am saying is people are being overly optimistic about Webb. If the Giants have a chance at Darnold/Rosen, they would be dumb to pass it up because of Davis Freakin' Webb.
We all know how great Reese is at picking third rounders.
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quality of offensive lineman, or the defenses just getting better, the stationary QB is a thing of the past. That is why Eli Manning is not a viable QB for this offense.
Yeah Brady and Brees suck.
Matt Ryan
Philip Rivers
Thanks for proving me wrong but which one of those QB's would you rather have right now over Wentz, Wilson, Prescott, Goff or Rodgers. Glad you brought up Rivers because his illustrious career speaks for itself. 4-11 and 5-12 the last 2 years and this year will not be better.