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Rumor that Andrew Luck may never play again

bubba0825 : 11/7/2017 5:25 pm
Itís tweet from one of there beat reporters
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RE: The Colts are still on the hook for $30 Million guaranteed  
MetsAreBack : 11/7/2017 5:58 pm : link
In comment 13681169 Diver_Down said:
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coming to Luck. They are screwed.


Because one beat reporter conjectured this injury might be serious?

And $30 mil isnt that much for a QB... I'm almost certain Luck will play again, now the question is if the Colts pick in the top 5 (and they just beat Houston and have 3 wins, so i doubt it)... do they pass on a potential franchise QB or stick it out?

I'd stick it out personally, but i'm not a crazy stupid fuck like Jim Orsay so we'll see.
RE: RE: The Colts are still on the hook for $30 Million guaranteed  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/7/2017 6:02 pm : link
In comment 13681175 MetsAreBack said:
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I'd stick it out personally, but i'm not a crazy stupid fuck like Jim Orsay so we'll see.


Orsay can you see?
Yes, you can blame the Colts inept  
UConn4523 : 11/7/2017 6:05 pm : link
front office. Luck holding onto the ball was out of necessity not inability to regonize what was happening. He had the worst roster in the NFL the last few years including the worst OLine.

And Stan is a clown. Luck has more playoff wins than most QBs that have been playing for a decade and he did it with absolutely garbage rosters.
Well see how...  
BocaGiants91 : 11/7/2017 6:19 pm : link
This unfolds in the off-season , if they draft a QB high or sign one of the big time free agent QBs youíll have your answer. Alough they could go with Brissett another year if they think heís legit.
RE: The Colts are still on the hook for $30 Million guaranteed  
MetsAreBack : 11/7/2017 6:42 pm : link
In comment 13681169 Diver_Down said:
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coming to Luck. They are screwed.



Regardless of the outcome,  
an_idol_mind : 11/7/2017 7:04 pm : link
Luck's career so far is a good example of why forcing even a great young quarterback to play on a shitty offense is not always a good idea.

The Giants will likely have a new starting quarterback in either 2018 or 2019. Hopefully they figure out how to build an effective unit by then. Otherwise they'll probably be looking at a string of ineffective starters.
RE: Luck = The Most Overrated QB  
BigBlueShock : 11/7/2017 7:12 pm : link
In comment 13681157 Stan in LA said:
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Of the last 20 years.

Apparently youíre forgetting the guy that you were constantly blowing as being better than Luck?

Of course you forgot about your boy RG3. After that those gems, you should be freakin embarrassed to EVER comment on Luck again.

You are a complete and utter disaster, Stan.
Stan isnít far off  
WillVAB : 11/7/2017 7:27 pm : link
When Luck is hyped up as potentially the greatest QB of all-time and this is what you get out his his career, overrated is definitely a fair assessment.

You can blame the GM, FO, or whomever you like but itís simply the reality of the situation. Besides, the roster wasnít as bad as people say, and frankly when youíre the type of QB that doesnít shy away from big hits these things happen.

Cautionary tale for the sheep clamoring for a mobile QB.
More a cautionary tale for those clamoring for a franchise QB  
Go Terps : 11/7/2017 7:28 pm : link
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RE: More a cautionary tale for those clamoring for a franchise QB  
WillVAB : 11/7/2017 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13681245 Go Terps said:
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That too. Too many people take durability for granted.
RE: Luck = The Most Overrated QB  
speedywheels : 11/7/2017 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13681157 Stan in LA said:
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Of the last 20 years.


Stan keeps bringing the stupid!
RE: More a cautionary tale for those clamoring for a franchise QB  
B in ALB : 11/7/2017 7:32 pm : link
In comment 13681245 Go Terps said:
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You're not winning championships in this league at this time without a franchise QB.

Maybe the last time a team won without a franchise QB was TB in 2002? That was 15 years ago!

Not sure what your point is.

The guy got hurt. Football is a violent game.

RE: Luck = The Most Overrated QB  
Mr. Bungle : 11/7/2017 7:35 pm : link
In comment 13681157 Stan in LA said:
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Of the last 20 years.

Bob Griffin. And it ain't close.
RE: RE: More a cautionary tale for those clamoring for a franchise QB  
an_idol_mind : 11/7/2017 7:36 pm : link
In comment 13681252 B in ALB said:
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In comment 13681245 Go Terps said:


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You're not winning championships in this league at this time without a franchise QB.

Maybe the last time a team won without a franchise QB was TB in 2002? That was 15 years ago!

Not sure what your point is.

The guy got hurt. Football is a violent game.


I don't think you can consider end-of-career Peyton Manning to be a franchise quarterback.

Still, there is a point to be made that if you don't have a franchise quarterback you'd better have a really good defense.
RE: Another example highlighting  
RDJR : 11/7/2017 7:40 pm : link
In comment 13681173 Pete in 'Vliet said:
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that there is no such thing as a "can't miss" draft pick and if you have a HOF quarterback you should keep him as long as possible.


No doubt, the Patriots, Packers, Saints and Steelers need to hold onto their future HOFers.
Why are people under the delusion that the Colts roster is decent?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/7/2017 7:41 pm : link
That's been a poorly run franchise since Peyton got hurt.
Luck was and is a can't miss prospect  
UConn4523 : 11/7/2017 7:42 pm : link
he was already worth his draft status delivering them two goodnplayoff runs with bad teams. He was also worth the contract. Guys get hurt, it happens.
Teams have won without a franchise quarterback  
Go Terps : 11/7/2017 7:58 pm : link
The thing is that those teams then make the guy the franchise QB (often to their detriment), and we view him that way after. Since 2000:

2000: Dilfer
2001: Brady (first year as a starter and only in place due to injury)
2002: Johnson
2014: Wilson (his second year in the league as a third round pick)
2015: Manning (forked)

Then if you extend it to first round quarterbacks who were still in their rookie contracts, you add Eli, Roethlisberger, and Flacco.

That's 8 out of 17 Super Bowls since 2000 that were won by quarterbacks that were NOT in that hyper-lucrative second contract. And some guys in that less expensive status came really close: McNair, Delhomme, Kaepernick, and Wilson again.

The other 9 Super Bowls (won by established QBs making huge money) were won between Brady, Peyton, Eli, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, and Brees. I wouldn't argue against paying guys of that quality at the top of their game, but they are way more rare than we want to think. For every one of them there have to be 10 Daltons, Schaubs, Tannehills, etc.
Teams have won with... and without... franchise QBs  
MetsAreBack : 11/7/2017 7:59 pm : link


Its not one or the other. As long as your front office knows how to manage the cap, identify talent through the draft, and generally buy low/sell high... you'll be fine.

Unfortunately, our front office hasnt been able to do this for the better part of a decade now, and here we are. Not drafting franchise QBs isnt going to compensate for that fact - they'd just spend the money and picks inefficiently elsewhere.
RE: Luck was and is a can't miss prospect  
WillVAB : 11/7/2017 7:59 pm : link
In comment 13681264 UConn4523 said:
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he was already worth his draft status delivering them two goodnplayoff runs with bad teams. He was also worth the contract. Guys get hurt, it happens.


This is comical. If the Giants took a QB that high and all they got was 5-6 years and a couple of playoff wins, theyíd be calling for the next GMís head.
RE: RE: Luck was and is a can't miss prospect  
UConn4523 : 11/7/2017 8:04 pm : link
In comment 13681278 WillVAB said:
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In comment 13681264 UConn4523 said:


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he was already worth his draft status delivering them two goodnplayoff runs with bad teams. He was also worth the contract. Guys get hurt, it happens.



This is comical. If the Giants took a QB that high and all they got was 5-6 years and a couple of playoff wins, theyíd be calling for the next GMís head.


What's comical is calling for a GMs head when your best player by a mile gets injured. What isn't comical is calling for your GMs head who's put together the worst roster in the league right after drafting a once in a decade player.
Just curious...  
Dan in the Springs : 11/7/2017 8:20 pm : link
the link was to a beat reporter's twitter account. He retweeted "Brad Wells" statement that people in the Colts org think his career might be over. I don't know who Brad Wells is, but it looks like he might just be a fan. Not sure if he has any specific insights or not - looking for someone who can confirm this.
RE: Luck = The Most Overrated QB  
shyster : 11/7/2017 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13681157 Stan in LA said:
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Of the last 20 years.


On behalf of LSJU, I apologize for Luck's going 3-0 vs USC, while racking up 148 points in the process.

Gather that still stings.
RE: Teams have won without a franchise quarterback  
christian : 11/7/2017 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13681276 Go Terps said:
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The thing is that those teams then make the guy the franchise QB (often to their detriment), and we view him that way after. Since 2000:

2000: Dilfer
2001: Brady (first year as a starter and only in place due to injury)
2002: Johnson
2014: Wilson (his second year in the league as a third round pick)
2015: Manning (forked)

Then if you extend it to first round quarterbacks who were still in their rookie contracts, you add Eli, Roethlisberger, and Flacco.

That's 8 out of 17 Super Bowls since 2000 that were won by quarterbacks that were NOT in that hyper-lucrative second contract. And some guys in that less expensive status came really close: McNair, Delhomme, Kaepernick, and Wilson again.

The other 9 Super Bowls (won by established QBs making huge money) were won between Brady, Peyton, Eli, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, and Brees. I wouldn't argue against paying guys of that quality at the top of their game, but they are way more rare than we want to think. For every one of them there have to be 10 Daltons, Schaubs, Tannehills, etc.


Got it. So the options are 1) have a generationally great defense 2) clairvoyance to pick an ascending star later in the draft or 3) a veteran star QB.

Analytical gems from our in-house GM.
RE: RE: RE: Luck was and is a can't miss prospect  
WillVAB : 11/7/2017 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13681282 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13681278 WillVAB said:


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In comment 13681264 UConn4523 said:


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he was already worth his draft status delivering them two goodnplayoff runs with bad teams. He was also worth the contract. Guys get hurt, it happens.



This is comical. If the Giants took a QB that high and all they got was 5-6 years and a couple of playoff wins, theyíd be calling for the next GMís head.



What's comical is calling for a GMs head when your best player by a mile gets injured. What isn't comical is calling for your GMs head who's put together the worst roster in the league right after drafting a once in a decade player.


Youíre biased when it comes to Luck. Iím pretty sure weíve had this back and forth before re: Luck. Worst roster nonsense is hyperbole to exonerate Luck. Thereís talent there on offense and itís been that way since he came in the league.
There's talent on the Browns too  
UConn4523 : 11/7/2017 9:23 pm : link
and that talent is better than the Colts. They've had a better OLine and with Josh Gordon they've had better skill players than the Colts. There's no bias here, I'm not a Colts or Stanford fan. You just really have no idea what you are talking about, that's your bias.

TY Hilton has been the only consistently good player he's had and he's so far from being a top tier WR that it's not even worth debating. So if you are telling me that Donald Brown, Trent Richardson, and a washed up Reggie Wayne is "talent", than there's no point in debating this with you.
And like in past threads  
UConn4523 : 11/7/2017 9:24 pm : link
I've asked you repeatedly to provide a list of all these teams the Colts had more talent than since Luck entered the league. I never got an answer, I wonder why.
UCONN  
ryanmkeane : 11/7/2017 10:56 pm : link
Hilton is not a top tier receiver? Youíre kidding right? Heís second in the NFL this year in yards playing with Brisset. Hell top 7,000 yards for his career in 6 seasons this year.
RE: Stan isnít far off  
FStubbs : 11/7/2017 10:56 pm : link
In comment 13681243 WillVAB said:
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When Luck is hyped up as potentially the greatest QB of all-time and this is what you get out his his career, overrated is definitely a fair assessment.

You can blame the GM, FO, or whomever you like but itís simply the reality of the situation. Besides, the roster wasnít as bad as people say, and frankly when youíre the type of QB that doesnít shy away from big hits these things happen.

Cautionary tale for the sheep clamoring for a mobile QB.


Not to quibble, but it was less "greatest of all time" and more "the more sure thing QB of all time".
Luck  
ryanmkeane : 11/7/2017 10:57 pm : link
is going to be fine. You think Ballard wants him out there with this roster after he had surgery in January? That surgery takes awhile to heal. Heíll be fine for 2018.
RE: And like in past threads  
WillVAB : 11/7/2017 11:00 pm : link
In comment 13681362 UConn4523 said:
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I've asked you repeatedly to provide a list of all these teams the Colts had more talent than since Luck entered the league. I never got an answer, I wonder why.


Nah youíve been answered. You just ignored it. Hilton and Doyle are pretty damn good for no talent on offense ó and theyíre doing it without Luck so you canít lean on Luck for making them what they are.

The Colts have also won 3 games this year so far without Luck. Pretty remarkable for being the worst roster in the league.
People will say the same about Derek Carr  
spike : 11/7/2017 11:06 pm : link
Great QB who cannot stay healthy.

Not everyone can be Eli Manning.
RE: Another example highlighting  
Vanzetti : 11/8/2017 12:22 am : link
In comment 13681173 Pete in 'Vliet said:
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that there is no such thing as a "can't miss" draft pick and if you have a HOF quarterback you should keep him as long as possible.


So the Packers should have kept Favre longer?
yet, you same guys shit on Eli  
SHO'NUFF : 11/8/2017 12:32 am : link
for taking a dive when he feels the pressure.
RE: UCONN  
UConn4523 : 11/8/2017 6:37 am : link
In comment 13681471 ryanmkeane said:
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Hilton is not a top tier receiver? Youíre kidding right? Heís second in the NFL this year in yards playing with Brisset. Hell top 7,000 yards for his career in 6 seasons this year.


No, he isn't. That isn't a slight on Hilton but he's not a dominant WR. He is very good and I already said as much. My point was who else has been good on these Colts team and the answer is, not much.
RE: RE: And like in past threads  
UConn4523 : 11/8/2017 7:02 am : link
In comment 13681475 WillVAB said:
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In comment 13681362 UConn4523 said:


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I've asked you repeatedly to provide a list of all these teams the Colts had more talent than since Luck entered the league. I never got an answer, I wonder why.



Nah youíve been answered. You just ignored it. Hilton and Doyle are pretty damn good for no talent on offense ó and theyíre doing it without Luck so you canít lean on Luck for making them what they are.

The Colts have also won 3 games this year so far without Luck. Pretty remarkable for being the worst roster in the league.


You are naming guys on their roster, congratulations. Doyle is a good not great TE. And they beat the Browns, 49ers and Texans without Watson, so again, congrats. I don't expect any team to go 0-16, guys are still paid to play on both sides.

So I'll ask you again, since Luck entered the league what other teams have had more talent?
Itís really a shame  
JerebilJ : 11/8/2017 7:58 am : link
Irsay should face charges over his micromanaging involvement in ruining a young athleteís career. Its not unlike what Snyder did to RGIII. No matter how bad the NYG season gets, we as fans should be thankful for the steady hand of ownership. Its what gives us hope that they will correct the ship at some point.
If Hilton and Doyle  
WillVAB : 11/8/2017 9:18 am : link
Are ďjust namesĒ and not talent itís obvious you canít be reasoned with on the issue.
Does this..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/8/2017 9:23 am : link
mean we have to scratch off the plaque that was already made for him in Canton?

I really wish people would have some perspective before anointing some of these guys as sure fire legends. Injuries, team construction, coaching - all impact how a player's career arc will turn out.
C'mon, someone really wants to argue that the Colts  
jcn56 : 11/8/2017 9:23 am : link
had some talent besides Luck?

Are these the same people who feel sorry for Eli? Luck would kill to have his supporting cast.
RE: If Hilton and Doyle  
UConn4523 : 11/8/2017 9:24 am : link
In comment 13681694 WillVAB said:
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Are ďjust namesĒ and not talent itís obvious you canít be reasoned with on the issue.


Do you read? I said Hilton is a very good WR for the 3rd time now. Doyle is a solid TE. And that's pretty much where the list stops which is my entire point.

For the 3rd time, what NFL team's have less talent than the Colts.
This is so stupid and obviously click bait.  
Keith : 11/8/2017 9:26 am : link
His shoulder didn't heal right. They will probably perform surgery again and hope he can recover after another procedure. If not, maybe then they will say that his career is in jeopardy. At this point in time, this is a stupid statement as no long term determination would be decided after 1 surgery.
RE: Does this..  
UConn4523 : 11/8/2017 9:28 am : link
In comment 13681702 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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mean we have to scratch off the plaque that was already made for him in Canton?

I really wish people would have some perspective before anointing some of these guys as sure fire legends. Injuries, team construction, coaching - all impact how a player's career arc will turn out.


Ehh, with RG3 I would agree, he didn't have a large enough body of work. With Luck, he got better each season and put up an MVP-type season in year 3. Then he got injured. He then bounced back year 5 and actually had a really good season.

So anointing him to canton is just words. But he was well on his way prior to this injury. I don't see what the harm is in talking about it - it wasn't an 8 game sample.
While I agree that Luck has been in some ways  
Section331 : 11/8/2017 9:30 am : link
his own worst enemy - he does hold the ball too long and take unnecessary hits - but the negligence on part of the Colts is borderline criminal. He injured his shoulder 3 years ago, and the "brain" trust there thought it prudent to allow him to play through it.

I know we all have legitimate complaints at times about how the Giants are run, but I would hope they would NEVER make those types of decisions with regard to franchise players.
It's just about preaching patience...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/8/2017 9:34 am : link
How many "Would you take Luck (or insert other QB's name here) over Eli right now" threads do we need to see.

Some poster kept starting threads about liklihood of HoF induction with Cam Newton and Luck having a better percentage than Eli. Basically half of the board is on the train that has Eli as the worst QB in the division, and I'm sure the Wentz for HoF posts aren't too far away.

The NFL is a tough place to have continued success and our ever-growing ADD nature forces conversations before they need to be made. Hell, we have several posters here who keep talking about the Jags and Bills as being the teams to watch and learn from, and they've had a combined half a season of decent results.

Emphasis on decent - I think both are only a game above .500 right now.
Doyle is all of a sudden a young Jason Witten?  
MetsAreBack : 11/8/2017 9:42 am : link
Stop .. he's having a nice year because Brissett can't get the ball out to WRs and he's the dumpoff... but when you try to tell us how great Luck's weapons are because he has a 27 year old, undrafted, career backup now starting because they got rid of Allen, Fleener, etc... you're reaching big time.
RE: Luck = The Most Overrated QB  
Racer : 11/8/2017 10:31 am : link
In comment 13681157 Stan in LA said:
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Of the last 20 years.


Do you discuss with your shrink the need to knock the notables off their high-horse with your gilded keyboard?

I really don't absorb much from the posters that leave a regular dark ring around the drain, but you really do stand out.
RE: Does this..  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 10:32 am : link
In comment 13681702 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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mean we have to scratch off the plaque that was already made for him in Canton?

I really wish people would have some perspective before anointing some of these guys as sure fire legends. Injuries, team construction, coaching - all impact how a player's career arc will turn out.


They'll never learn.
I think many of us who thought Luck would be a great  
BrettNYG10 : 11/8/2017 11:04 am : link
Would caveat that it was predicated on him staying healthy.
RE: I think many of us who thought Luck would be a great  
christian : 11/8/2017 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13681924 BrettNYG10 said:
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Would caveat that it was predicated on him staying healthy.


Not true. All sorts of people were making unequivocal guarantees Andrew Luck was a first ballot Hall of Famer regardless of any external factor. Eric had it on the home page for like at least a year.
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