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Rumor that Andrew Luck may never play again

bubba0825 : 11/7/2017 5:25 pm
It’s tweet from one of there beat reporters
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It's a real shame what's come of his career.  
bceagle05 : 11/7/2017 5:29 pm : link
He made some "WOW" throws that could rival Aaron Rodgers. Indy destroyed him.
If true he barely lasted longer than Peyton  
steve in ky : 11/7/2017 5:31 pm : link
Who would have predicted that.

RE: It's a real shame what's come of his career.  
FireJerryReese : 11/7/2017 5:34 pm : link
In comment 13681129 bceagle05 said:
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He made some "WOW" throws that could rival Aaron Rodgers. Indy destroyed him.


No, he destroyed himself.

Complete inability to get rid of the ball.

Holds onto the ball forever instead.
He did take a lot of shots  
djm : 11/7/2017 5:35 pm : link
Indy didn't build the best team but blaming Indy for his injury seems unfair. Luck always took too many shots from his rookie year. Total bad ass qb. Hope he comes back.
NFL network was opining on this sunday morning  
MetsAreBack : 11/7/2017 5:37 pm : link
its been out there for a little while. At this point, I'm pretty sure its pure conjecture.

Well they didn't completely destroy him  
bceagle05 : 11/7/2017 5:39 pm : link
but they added guys like Frank Gore before they fortified their awful OL.
RE: If true he barely lasted longer than Peyton  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/7/2017 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13681131 steve in ky said:
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Who would have predicted that.


Maybe I'm misreading your post, but Luck had a longer career that Peyton Manning?
You guys feel sorry for the protection that Eli has had?  
jcn56 : 11/7/2017 5:39 pm : link
Luck would pay good money for even our OL - he was under pressure the second the ball was snapped before he got hurt, and his protection has been lousy for his entire career. Grigson absolutely screwed him.
That'd suck  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/7/2017 5:40 pm : link
for the Colts & NFL fans in general.
RE: RE: If true he barely lasted longer than Peyton  
jcn56 : 11/7/2017 5:40 pm : link
In comment 13681146 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Who would have predicted that.



Maybe I'm misreading your post, but Luck had a longer career that Peyton Manning?


I think he meant he only lasted a short time post Peyton's retirement.
RE: RE: RE: If true he barely lasted longer than Peyton  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/7/2017 5:43 pm : link
In comment 13681152 jcn56 said:
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Who would have predicted that.



Maybe I'm misreading your post, but Luck had a longer career that Peyton Manning?



I think he meant he only lasted a short time post Peyton's retirement.


Ahh, okay. Thanks.
Luck = The Most Overrated QB  
Stan in LA : 11/7/2017 5:43 pm : link
Of the last 20 years.
RE: RE: RE: If true he barely lasted longer than Peyton  
steve in ky : 11/7/2017 5:45 pm : link
In comment 13681152 jcn56 said:
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Who would have predicted that.



Maybe I'm misreading your post, but Luck had a longer career that Peyton Manning?



I think he meant he only lasted a short time post Peyton's retirement.


Yeah that's what I meant, sorry if my wording was confusing.



RE: Luck = The Most Overrated QB  
Les in TO : 11/7/2017 5:52 pm : link
In comment 13681157 Stan in LA said:
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Of the last 20 years.
Another Stan gem.
The Colts are still on the hook for $30 Million guaranteed  
Diver_Down : 11/7/2017 5:54 pm : link
coming to Luck. They are screwed.
Another example highlighting  
Pete in 'Vliet : 11/7/2017 5:56 pm : link
that there is no such thing as a "can't miss" draft pick and if you have a HOF quarterback you should keep him as long as possible.
RE: The Colts are still on the hook for $30 Million guaranteed  
MetsAreBack : 11/7/2017 5:58 pm : link
In comment 13681169 Diver_Down said:
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coming to Luck. They are screwed.


Because one beat reporter conjectured this injury might be serious?

And $30 mil isnt that much for a QB... I'm almost certain Luck will play again, now the question is if the Colts pick in the top 5 (and they just beat Houston and have 3 wins, so i doubt it)... do they pass on a potential franchise QB or stick it out?

I'd stick it out personally, but i'm not a crazy stupid fuck like Jim Orsay so we'll see.
RE: RE: The Colts are still on the hook for $30 Million guaranteed  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/7/2017 6:02 pm : link
In comment 13681175 MetsAreBack said:
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I'd stick it out personally, but i'm not a crazy stupid fuck like Jim Orsay so we'll see.


Orsay can you see?
Yes, you can blame the Colts inept  
UConn4523 : 11/7/2017 6:05 pm : link
front office. Luck holding onto the ball was out of necessity not inability to regonize what was happening. He had the worst roster in the NFL the last few years including the worst OLine.

And Stan is a clown. Luck has more playoff wins than most QBs that have been playing for a decade and he did it with absolutely garbage rosters.
Well see how...  
BocaGiants91 : 11/7/2017 6:19 pm : link
This unfolds in the off-season , if they draft a QB high or sign one of the big time free agent QBs you’ll have your answer. Alough they could go with Brissett another year if they think he’s legit.
RE: The Colts are still on the hook for $30 Million guaranteed  
MetsAreBack : 11/7/2017 6:42 pm : link
In comment 13681169 Diver_Down said:
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coming to Luck. They are screwed.



Regardless of the outcome,  
an_idol_mind : 11/7/2017 7:04 pm : link
Luck's career so far is a good example of why forcing even a great young quarterback to play on a shitty offense is not always a good idea.

The Giants will likely have a new starting quarterback in either 2018 or 2019. Hopefully they figure out how to build an effective unit by then. Otherwise they'll probably be looking at a string of ineffective starters.
RE: Luck = The Most Overrated QB  
BigBlueShock : 11/7/2017 7:12 pm : link
In comment 13681157 Stan in LA said:
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Of the last 20 years.

Apparently you’re forgetting the guy that you were constantly blowing as being better than Luck?

Of course you forgot about your boy RG3. After that those gems, you should be freakin embarrassed to EVER comment on Luck again.

You are a complete and utter disaster, Stan.
Stan isn’t far off  
WillVAB : 11/7/2017 7:27 pm : link
When Luck is hyped up as potentially the greatest QB of all-time and this is what you get out his his career, overrated is definitely a fair assessment.

You can blame the GM, FO, or whomever you like but it’s simply the reality of the situation. Besides, the roster wasn’t as bad as people say, and frankly when you’re the type of QB that doesn’t shy away from big hits these things happen.

Cautionary tale for the sheep clamoring for a mobile QB.
More a cautionary tale for those clamoring for a franchise QB  
Go Terps : 11/7/2017 7:28 pm : link
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RE: More a cautionary tale for those clamoring for a franchise QB  
WillVAB : 11/7/2017 7:31 pm : link
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That too. Too many people take durability for granted.
RE: Luck = The Most Overrated QB  
speedywheels : 11/7/2017 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13681157 Stan in LA said:
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Of the last 20 years.


Stan keeps bringing the stupid!
RE: More a cautionary tale for those clamoring for a franchise QB  
B in ALB : 11/7/2017 7:32 pm : link
In comment 13681245 Go Terps said:
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You're not winning championships in this league at this time without a franchise QB.

Maybe the last time a team won without a franchise QB was TB in 2002? That was 15 years ago!

Not sure what your point is.

The guy got hurt. Football is a violent game.

RE: Luck = The Most Overrated QB  
Mr. Bungle : 11/7/2017 7:35 pm : link
In comment 13681157 Stan in LA said:
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Of the last 20 years.

Bob Griffin. And it ain't close.
RE: RE: More a cautionary tale for those clamoring for a franchise QB  
an_idol_mind : 11/7/2017 7:36 pm : link
In comment 13681252 B in ALB said:
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You're not winning championships in this league at this time without a franchise QB.

Maybe the last time a team won without a franchise QB was TB in 2002? That was 15 years ago!

Not sure what your point is.

The guy got hurt. Football is a violent game.


I don't think you can consider end-of-career Peyton Manning to be a franchise quarterback.

Still, there is a point to be made that if you don't have a franchise quarterback you'd better have a really good defense.
RE: Another example highlighting  
RDJR : 11/7/2017 7:40 pm : link
In comment 13681173 Pete in 'Vliet said:
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that there is no such thing as a "can't miss" draft pick and if you have a HOF quarterback you should keep him as long as possible.


No doubt, the Patriots, Packers, Saints and Steelers need to hold onto their future HOFers.
Why are people under the delusion that the Colts roster is decent?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/7/2017 7:41 pm : link
That's been a poorly run franchise since Peyton got hurt.
Luck was and is a can't miss prospect  
UConn4523 : 11/7/2017 7:42 pm : link
he was already worth his draft status delivering them two goodnplayoff runs with bad teams. He was also worth the contract. Guys get hurt, it happens.
Teams have won without a franchise quarterback  
Go Terps : 11/7/2017 7:58 pm : link
The thing is that those teams then make the guy the franchise QB (often to their detriment), and we view him that way after. Since 2000:

2000: Dilfer
2001: Brady (first year as a starter and only in place due to injury)
2002: Johnson
2014: Wilson (his second year in the league as a third round pick)
2015: Manning (forked)

Then if you extend it to first round quarterbacks who were still in their rookie contracts, you add Eli, Roethlisberger, and Flacco.

That's 8 out of 17 Super Bowls since 2000 that were won by quarterbacks that were NOT in that hyper-lucrative second contract. And some guys in that less expensive status came really close: McNair, Delhomme, Kaepernick, and Wilson again.

The other 9 Super Bowls (won by established QBs making huge money) were won between Brady, Peyton, Eli, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, and Brees. I wouldn't argue against paying guys of that quality at the top of their game, but they are way more rare than we want to think. For every one of them there have to be 10 Daltons, Schaubs, Tannehills, etc.
Teams have won with... and without... franchise QBs  
MetsAreBack : 11/7/2017 7:59 pm : link


Its not one or the other. As long as your front office knows how to manage the cap, identify talent through the draft, and generally buy low/sell high... you'll be fine.

Unfortunately, our front office hasnt been able to do this for the better part of a decade now, and here we are. Not drafting franchise QBs isnt going to compensate for that fact - they'd just spend the money and picks inefficiently elsewhere.
RE: Luck was and is a can't miss prospect  
WillVAB : 11/7/2017 7:59 pm : link
In comment 13681264 UConn4523 said:
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he was already worth his draft status delivering them two goodnplayoff runs with bad teams. He was also worth the contract. Guys get hurt, it happens.


This is comical. If the Giants took a QB that high and all they got was 5-6 years and a couple of playoff wins, they’d be calling for the next GM’s head.
RE: RE: Luck was and is a can't miss prospect  
UConn4523 : 11/7/2017 8:04 pm : link
In comment 13681278 WillVAB said:
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he was already worth his draft status delivering them two goodnplayoff runs with bad teams. He was also worth the contract. Guys get hurt, it happens.



This is comical. If the Giants took a QB that high and all they got was 5-6 years and a couple of playoff wins, they’d be calling for the next GM’s head.


What's comical is calling for a GMs head when your best player by a mile gets injured. What isn't comical is calling for your GMs head who's put together the worst roster in the league right after drafting a once in a decade player.
Just curious...  
Dan in the Springs : 11/7/2017 8:20 pm : link
the link was to a beat reporter's twitter account. He retweeted "Brad Wells" statement that people in the Colts org think his career might be over. I don't know who Brad Wells is, but it looks like he might just be a fan. Not sure if he has any specific insights or not - looking for someone who can confirm this.
RE: Luck = The Most Overrated QB  
shyster : 11/7/2017 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13681157 Stan in LA said:
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Of the last 20 years.


On behalf of LSJU, I apologize for Luck's going 3-0 vs USC, while racking up 148 points in the process.

Gather that still stings.
RE: Teams have won without a franchise quarterback  
christian : 11/7/2017 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13681276 Go Terps said:
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The thing is that those teams then make the guy the franchise QB (often to their detriment), and we view him that way after. Since 2000:

2000: Dilfer
2001: Brady (first year as a starter and only in place due to injury)
2002: Johnson
2014: Wilson (his second year in the league as a third round pick)
2015: Manning (forked)

Then if you extend it to first round quarterbacks who were still in their rookie contracts, you add Eli, Roethlisberger, and Flacco.

That's 8 out of 17 Super Bowls since 2000 that were won by quarterbacks that were NOT in that hyper-lucrative second contract. And some guys in that less expensive status came really close: McNair, Delhomme, Kaepernick, and Wilson again.

The other 9 Super Bowls (won by established QBs making huge money) were won between Brady, Peyton, Eli, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, and Brees. I wouldn't argue against paying guys of that quality at the top of their game, but they are way more rare than we want to think. For every one of them there have to be 10 Daltons, Schaubs, Tannehills, etc.


Got it. So the options are 1) have a generationally great defense 2) clairvoyance to pick an ascending star later in the draft or 3) a veteran star QB.

Analytical gems from our in-house GM.
RE: RE: RE: Luck was and is a can't miss prospect  
WillVAB : 11/7/2017 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13681282 UConn4523 said:
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he was already worth his draft status delivering them two goodnplayoff runs with bad teams. He was also worth the contract. Guys get hurt, it happens.



This is comical. If the Giants took a QB that high and all they got was 5-6 years and a couple of playoff wins, they’d be calling for the next GM’s head.



What's comical is calling for a GMs head when your best player by a mile gets injured. What isn't comical is calling for your GMs head who's put together the worst roster in the league right after drafting a once in a decade player.


You’re biased when it comes to Luck. I’m pretty sure we’ve had this back and forth before re: Luck. Worst roster nonsense is hyperbole to exonerate Luck. There’s talent there on offense and it’s been that way since he came in the league.
There's talent on the Browns too  
UConn4523 : 11/7/2017 9:23 pm : link
and that talent is better than the Colts. They've had a better OLine and with Josh Gordon they've had better skill players than the Colts. There's no bias here, I'm not a Colts or Stanford fan. You just really have no idea what you are talking about, that's your bias.

TY Hilton has been the only consistently good player he's had and he's so far from being a top tier WR that it's not even worth debating. So if you are telling me that Donald Brown, Trent Richardson, and a washed up Reggie Wayne is "talent", than there's no point in debating this with you.
And like in past threads  
UConn4523 : 11/7/2017 9:24 pm : link
I've asked you repeatedly to provide a list of all these teams the Colts had more talent than since Luck entered the league. I never got an answer, I wonder why.
UCONN  
ryanmkeane : 11/7/2017 10:56 pm : link
Hilton is not a top tier receiver? You’re kidding right? He’s second in the NFL this year in yards playing with Brisset. Hell top 7,000 yards for his career in 6 seasons this year.
RE: Stan isn’t far off  
FStubbs : 11/7/2017 10:56 pm : link
In comment 13681243 WillVAB said:
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When Luck is hyped up as potentially the greatest QB of all-time and this is what you get out his his career, overrated is definitely a fair assessment.

You can blame the GM, FO, or whomever you like but it’s simply the reality of the situation. Besides, the roster wasn’t as bad as people say, and frankly when you’re the type of QB that doesn’t shy away from big hits these things happen.

Cautionary tale for the sheep clamoring for a mobile QB.


Not to quibble, but it was less "greatest of all time" and more "the more sure thing QB of all time".
Luck  
ryanmkeane : 11/7/2017 10:57 pm : link
is going to be fine. You think Ballard wants him out there with this roster after he had surgery in January? That surgery takes awhile to heal. He’ll be fine for 2018.
RE: And like in past threads  
WillVAB : 11/7/2017 11:00 pm : link
In comment 13681362 UConn4523 said:
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I've asked you repeatedly to provide a list of all these teams the Colts had more talent than since Luck entered the league. I never got an answer, I wonder why.


Nah you’ve been answered. You just ignored it. Hilton and Doyle are pretty damn good for no talent on offense — and they’re doing it without Luck so you can’t lean on Luck for making them what they are.

The Colts have also won 3 games this year so far without Luck. Pretty remarkable for being the worst roster in the league.
People will say the same about Derek Carr  
spike : 11/7/2017 11:06 pm : link
Great QB who cannot stay healthy.

Not everyone can be Eli Manning.
RE: Another example highlighting  
Vanzetti : 11/8/2017 12:22 am : link
In comment 13681173 Pete in 'Vliet said:
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that there is no such thing as a "can't miss" draft pick and if you have a HOF quarterback you should keep him as long as possible.


So the Packers should have kept Favre longer?
yet, you same guys shit on Eli  
SHO'NUFF : 11/8/2017 12:32 am : link
for taking a dive when he feels the pressure.
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