Hilton is not a top tier receiver? You’re kidding right? He’s second in the NFL this year in yards playing with Brisset. Hell top 7,000 yards for his career in 6 seasons this year.
No, he isn't. That isn't a slight on Hilton but he's not a dominant WR. He is very good and I already said as much. My point was who else has been good on these Colts team and the answer is, not much.
I've asked you repeatedly to provide a list of all these teams the Colts had more talent than since Luck entered the league. I never got an answer, I wonder why.
Nah you’ve been answered. You just ignored it. Hilton and Doyle are pretty damn good for no talent on offense — and they’re doing it without Luck so you can’t lean on Luck for making them what they are.
The Colts have also won 3 games this year so far without Luck. Pretty remarkable for being the worst roster in the league.
You are naming guys on their roster, congratulations. Doyle is a good not great TE. And they beat the Browns, 49ers and Texans without Watson, so again, congrats. I don't expect any team to go 0-16, guys are still paid to play on both sides.
So I'll ask you again, since Luck entered the league what other teams have had more talent?
Irsay should face charges over his micromanaging involvement in ruining a young athlete’s career. Its not unlike what Snyder did to RGIII. No matter how bad the NYG season gets, we as fans should be thankful for the steady hand of ownership. Its what gives us hope that they will correct the ship at some point.
mean we have to scratch off the plaque that was already made for him in Canton?
I really wish people would have some perspective before anointing some of these guys as sure fire legends. Injuries, team construction, coaching - all impact how a player's career arc will turn out.
C'mon, someone really wants to argue that the Colts Â
Are “just names” and not talent it’s obvious you can’t be reasoned with on the issue.
Do you read? I said Hilton is a very good WR for the 3rd time now. Doyle is a solid TE. And that's pretty much where the list stops which is my entire point.
For the 3rd time, what NFL team's have less talent than the Colts.
His shoulder didn't heal right. They will probably perform surgery again and hope he can recover after another procedure. If not, maybe then they will say that his career is in jeopardy. At this point in time, this is a stupid statement as no long term determination would be decided after 1 surgery.
mean we have to scratch off the plaque that was already made for him in Canton?
I really wish people would have some perspective before anointing some of these guys as sure fire legends. Injuries, team construction, coaching - all impact how a player's career arc will turn out.
Ehh, with RG3 I would agree, he didn't have a large enough body of work. With Luck, he got better each season and put up an MVP-type season in year 3. Then he got injured. He then bounced back year 5 and actually had a really good season.
So anointing him to canton is just words. But he was well on his way prior to this injury. I don't see what the harm is in talking about it - it wasn't an 8 game sample.
his own worst enemy - he does hold the ball too long and take unnecessary hits - but the negligence on part of the Colts is borderline criminal. He injured his shoulder 3 years ago, and the "brain" trust there thought it prudent to allow him to play through it.
I know we all have legitimate complaints at times about how the Giants are run, but I would hope they would NEVER make those types of decisions with regard to franchise players.
How many "Would you take Luck (or insert other QB's name here) over Eli right now" threads do we need to see.
Some poster kept starting threads about liklihood of HoF induction with Cam Newton and Luck having a better percentage than Eli. Basically half of the board is on the train that has Eli as the worst QB in the division, and I'm sure the Wentz for HoF posts aren't too far away.
The NFL is a tough place to have continued success and our ever-growing ADD nature forces conversations before they need to be made. Hell, we have several posters here who keep talking about the Jags and Bills as being the teams to watch and learn from, and they've had a combined half a season of decent results.
Emphasis on decent - I think both are only a game above .500 right now.
Stop .. he's having a nice year because Brissett can't get the ball out to WRs and he's the dumpoff... but when you try to tell us how great Luck's weapons are because he has a 27 year old, undrafted, career backup now starting because they got rid of Allen, Fleener, etc... you're reaching big time.
mean we have to scratch off the plaque that was already made for him in Canton?
I really wish people would have some perspective before anointing some of these guys as sure fire legends. Injuries, team construction, coaching - all impact how a player's career arc will turn out.
They'll never learn.
I think many of us who thought Luck would be a great Â
Would caveat that it was predicated on him staying healthy.
Not true. All sorts of people were making unequivocal guarantees Andrew Luck was a first ballot Hall of Famer regardless of any external factor. Eric had it on the home page for like at least a year.
No, he isn't. That isn't a slight on Hilton but he's not a dominant WR. He is very good and I already said as much. My point was who else has been good on these Colts team and the answer is, not much.
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I've asked you repeatedly to provide a list of all these teams the Colts had more talent than since Luck entered the league. I never got an answer, I wonder why.
Nah you’ve been answered. You just ignored it. Hilton and Doyle are pretty damn good for no talent on offense — and they’re doing it without Luck so you can’t lean on Luck for making them what they are.
The Colts have also won 3 games this year so far without Luck. Pretty remarkable for being the worst roster in the league.
You are naming guys on their roster, congratulations. Doyle is a good not great TE. And they beat the Browns, 49ers and Texans without Watson, so again, congrats. I don't expect any team to go 0-16, guys are still paid to play on both sides.
So I'll ask you again, since Luck entered the league what other teams have had more talent?
I really wish people would have some perspective before anointing some of these guys as sure fire legends. Injuries, team construction, coaching - all impact how a player's career arc will turn out.
Are these the same people who feel sorry for Eli? Luck would kill to have his supporting cast.
Do you read? I said Hilton is a very good WR for the 3rd time now. Doyle is a solid TE. And that's pretty much where the list stops which is my entire point.
For the 3rd time, what NFL team's have less talent than the Colts.
I really wish people would have some perspective before anointing some of these guys as sure fire legends. Injuries, team construction, coaching - all impact how a player's career arc will turn out.
Ehh, with RG3 I would agree, he didn't have a large enough body of work. With Luck, he got better each season and put up an MVP-type season in year 3. Then he got injured. He then bounced back year 5 and actually had a really good season.
So anointing him to canton is just words. But he was well on his way prior to this injury. I don't see what the harm is in talking about it - it wasn't an 8 game sample.
I know we all have legitimate complaints at times about how the Giants are run, but I would hope they would NEVER make those types of decisions with regard to franchise players.
Some poster kept starting threads about liklihood of HoF induction with Cam Newton and Luck having a better percentage than Eli. Basically half of the board is on the train that has Eli as the worst QB in the division, and I'm sure the Wentz for HoF posts aren't too far away.
The NFL is a tough place to have continued success and our ever-growing ADD nature forces conversations before they need to be made. Hell, we have several posters here who keep talking about the Jags and Bills as being the teams to watch and learn from, and they've had a combined half a season of decent results.
Emphasis on decent - I think both are only a game above .500 right now.
Do you discuss with your shrink the need to knock the notables off their high-horse with your gilded keyboard?
I really don't absorb much from the posters that leave a regular dark ring around the drain, but you really do stand out.
I really wish people would have some perspective before anointing some of these guys as sure fire legends. Injuries, team construction, coaching - all impact how a player's career arc will turn out.
They'll never learn.
Not true. All sorts of people were making unequivocal guarantees Andrew Luck was a first ballot Hall of Famer regardless of any external factor. Eric had it on the home page for like at least a year.