It would not be the end of the world if it came to an end for me. I don't want to see it end however. Not this year anyway. After watching most of my hopes for the Giants this year circle the drain, ending the streak by benching Eli would be the cherry on top of a big pile of shit. I can't bring myself to root for the Giants to lose and get that really high draft pick. They sure are headed that way though. As long as Eli stays healthy I see no harm in playing him. Get Webb some snaps but don't bench Eli.
Yeah, it's so lame to be huge fans of arguably the Greatest Giant of all time and one of the Greatest Giants coaches of all time.
How dumb.
It's not childish at all when you're putting the benefit of one player ahead of the team.
I don't think there's any harm to letting Eli surpass Peyton, and then getting Webb some playing time. On the flipside, not getting Webb some playing time to see what value he might have going forward, when the season is lost and there's nothing to be gained from winning does actually cost the team.
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Yeah, it's so lame to be huge fans of arguably the Greatest Giant of all time and one of the Greatest Giants coaches of all time.
How dumb.
It's not childish at all when you're putting the benefit of one player ahead of the team.
I don't think there's any harm to letting Eli surpass Peyton, and then getting Webb some playing time. On the flipside, not getting Webb some playing time to see what value he might have going forward, when the season is lost and there's nothing to be gained from winning does actually cost the team.
Explain why Eli has to be benched to get Webb playing time....
There's going to be a lot of blowouts between now and 12/31.
There is absolutely ZERO justification to end Eli's streak for Davis Webb right now, other than that.
The trick here is practice reps - so long as Webb can get a fair number of practice reps, you can get some sort of evaluation of his play. I don't know how valid it might be, given the current offensive (and overall) shitshow, but you'll get some idea of what he might be able to do (or where he's limited).
The trick here is practice reps - so long as Webb can get a fair number of practice reps, you can get some sort of evaluation of his play. I don't know how valid it might be, given the current offensive (and overall) shitshow, but you'll get some idea of what he might be able to do (or where he's limited).
Brett Favre once took a single snap with a small injury, before sitting so he could keep his streak going.
But even beyond that, Davis Webb might not be ready to face starting caliber NFL defenses, and may benefit more out of getting his reps in the second half when the defenses have called off the dogs a bit.
What a fucking crime.
What a fucking crime.
It's crazy to me.
There is absolutely ZERO justification to end Eli's streak for Davis Webb right now, other than that.
That's not fair - that might apply to some, but purely for those who want blood seems to be a bit of a stretch.
I think most would fit into that category of 'season's lost, let's see what Webb has'. Obviously, a lot gets thrown out the window here - I don't think many of those people actually believe Webb increases our chances of winning, and I'm pretty sure those same people don't think we're going to get a fair evaluation of what the kid can do. But it's definitely more than 'Eli sucks, get someone else in there' for most of those who are looking to see some Webb before the season is up.
BRITT - I disagree with a few of your points.
1) you say "through no fault of his own" Eli is on a bad team. Eli shoulders some of the blame for how this team has underachieved over the years.
2) i think you are wrong that people aren't interested in seeing Webb try his hand at QB, so this idea that if Eli isn't playing QB then the stadium will be empty is not accurate IMO (though you may not be interested in watching)
you've got in your head that anyone who is open to options beyond Eli is being unfair to your guy.
you really can't be debated with at this point -you're in dep territory.
BRITT - I disagree with a few of your points.
1) you say "through no fault of his own" Eli is on a bad team. Eli shoulders some of the blame for how this team has underachieved over the years.
2) i think you are wrong that people aren't interested in seeing Webb try his hand at QB, so this idea that if Eli isn't playing QB then the stadium will be empty is not accurate IMO (though you may not be interested in watching)
1. The decline of this team/offense began in 2012 with the failure to rebuild the O-line. It really began in 2009.
This is inarguable.
Since that time, we have had spotty pass protection at best, and the one of the league's worst run games. Also inarguable.
Eli may shoulder some of the blame, but it's a very, very low percentage compared to the two things above, and one could argue that it's a direct result of the two things above (my view).
2. There is no justification to bench Manning to start Webb. Webb can still get plenty of playing time.
You think the team is bad now? Bench Manning and throw out Webb before he's ready and see how bad it can get. It just turned to November. There are 8 games left (unbelievably).
If the argument is that Eli will be packing them in and the stadium will be empty with Webb, I disagree. That stadium's going to be empty regardless because the team is putrid, with or without Eli (again, not a knock on him, it's the offense that's beyond repair).
A. This is still Eli's team and he's earned it.
B. Webb, by all accounts, is not ready.
They suck, they still have to play the Chiefs, @ Oakland, @ Was, Cowboys, Eagles. There will be blowouts. This can be accomplished without cheapening the streak.
Should be a total non-issue.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.
If he plays an entire NFL career without missing a game, especially one of his caliber and consequence, is is noteworthy and will be remembered.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.
Move on in what way? Are you expecting them to release him next week? What possible benefit is there to the team to bench him for the entirety of the game rather than simply make a change midway through to get Webb some time? (As if playing in this offense is going to be a particularly meaningful experience for Webb anyway). Why insult a franchise legend for absolutely no benefit?
Davis Webb is not ready to start, but can still get meaningful reps.
If we draft a QB high next year and want Eli to do the Warner role, okay, I can live with that.
But to take that away from him right now, while he's still the best option, is an insult, IMO. And quite frankly, the powers that be in charge right now have not earned the right to make that decision.
Let the new Coach/GM make it.
He only has 40 regular season games left on his contract. Are you in favor of an extension?
Passing Peyton puts him at tenth place. It's only #2 among QBs. I don't know why people ignore players at other positions, especially when you can make a case that it's easier for a QB to stay healthy than for any other position (special teams players are not counted for streaks, otherwise Feagles would have the record by a landslide).
As for the original question, did anyone care when Ripken got to tenth place on the consecutive games played list? This streak only matters to Giants fans because Eli is our QB and because Peyton is next up on the list. But it's really not very significant outside of our fanbase, IMO.
Wasn't his college offense primarily out of the shotgun?
Wasn't Watson's?
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There are some people here who seem to be much more fans of Eli Manning (and Tom Coughlin) than the New York Giants.
In answer to your provocative question Greg aka Mr Sunshine I am more of a fan of Eli Manning at this point...
This franchise has let down one of the greatest players in their history and a clown coach should not be the one to end the streak...
Please stop with "the franchise has let down" rhetoric. If Eli completes his current contract, he will be the highest paid player in NFL history. If that's your definition of being let down, we should all be so lucky to be let down.
Yeah, it's so lame to be huge fans of arguably the Greatest Giant of all time and one of the Greatest Giants coaches of all time.
How dumb.
Says the guy who literally called anyone who disagreed with him a "kid" on multiple threads. That's not childish at all.
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than Eli Manning.
What a fucking crime.
It's crazy to me.
It's also absolutely false. But carry on.
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Yeah, it's so lame to be huge fans of arguably the Greatest Giant of all time and one of the Greatest Giants coaches of all time.
How dumb.
Says the guy who literally called anyone who disagreed with him a "kid" on multiple threads. That's not childish at all.
You took being called a kid an insult. I merely meant it as a way of saying somebody that lacks perspective over time, of multiple seasons... The bigger picture.
There is no doubt that many here were teenagers or younger when Eli Manning took his first snap of his career, and no no other Giants team than one with him at the helm.
That is lacking perspective of multiple GM's, Coaches, and players over time, bad and good.
I am all FOR Eli starting every game he's healthy enough to start. He's more than earned that.
But I also think there will be opportunities late in games for the the Giants (and possibly other teams) to see what they have in Webb -- though I wouldn't expect much out of him given the state of the protection and weapons. And it does NOT affect Eli's streak.
If Webb were to play well enough, they might be able to trade him later if they draft a top QB prospect (and I'd have NO problem with that -- having Webb AND a blue chip prospect is not a bad problem to have).
I see no point in playing Smith.
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It's meaningless to be number two on that list. Nobody cares. Nobody will remember you.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.
Move on in what way? Are you expecting them to release him next week? What possible benefit is there to the team to bench him for the entirety of the game rather than simply make a change midway through to get Webb some time? (As if playing in this offense is going to be a particularly meaningful experience for Webb anyway). Why insult a franchise legend for absolutely no benefit?
Move on from this rather tedious discussion of his streak . This season is over. Might as well take a look at Webb. See if we need to go first round for a QB next year. See if Webb has promise.
If Eli's the best QB on the roster next year and gives us the best chance to win he starts. If not he doesn't.
I too have relatives who only still go to games to root only for Eli. He’s our favorite Giant ever and I don’t see why some make a fuss about fans who support him tirelessly.
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It's meaningless to be number two on that list. Nobody cares. Nobody will remember you.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.
If he plays an entire NFL career without missing a game, especially one of his caliber and consequence, is is noteworthy and will be remembered.
That ship sailed when he didn't start the first half of 2004.
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It's meaningless to be number two on that list. Nobody cares. Nobody will remember you.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.
If he plays an entire NFL career without missing a game, especially one of his caliber and consequence, is is noteworthy and will be remembered.
That ship sailed when he didn't start the first half of 2004.
Huh? I'm sorry, that's completely foolish logic.
I don't believe Webb needs to take first team reps in practice, start the remaining games in order to be evaluated by ownership and coaching staff.
Scenario 1: Let's say Webb plays poorly and we draft a QB. We draft a top QB. Does Eli become the starter for the beginning of the 2018 season?
Scenario 2: Let's say Webb shows enough to say he may be a long term solution, but not yet ready. Does Eli become the 2018 starter and Webb goes back to the bench?
Scenario 3: Webb lights it up and plays well. Eli gets the memo to either authorize a trade or be benched. The Giants have found their next QB and the future is now.
I think I listed these from most likely to least likely scenarios. Assuming #1 has the highest probability, I don't see the upside in the start Webb camp.
Give him garbage time mop up duties? If he is at all competent to handle operating in an NFL offense, then I absolutely agree.
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It's meaningless to be number two on that list. Nobody cares. Nobody will remember you.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.
If he plays an entire NFL career without missing a game, especially one of his caliber and consequence, is is noteworthy and will be remembered.
That ship sailed when he didn't start the first half of 2004.
Huh? I'm sorry, that's completely foolish logic.
The streak is about starting games. He didn't start his first half season. So in context of the streak in question, it does not comprise his entire career.
By your logic if he sits on the bench for the rest of the season his streak continues.
He's been really bad since last year. He has a good game here and there, but overall, he's been bad.
That being said, Eli has been pure class and he needs to be treated the same way.
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I want a win every week. Only losers hope for losses to improve draft status.
This is just dumb(no offense). Fans can see the big picture. Nobody associated with the team should be hoping for losses, but fans can because we know that it's better long term.....for the team.
If Eli's the best QB on the roster next year and gives us the best chance to win he starts. If not he doesn't.
Why are you completely avoiding the actual discussion. Want to take a look at Webb? Ok, sure. What does that have to do with Eli's streak, which by all accounts is important to him. There's no conflict between continuing to have him start games and also giving Webb plenty of opportunity to play. Why would you do something to insult Eli when it makes no meaningful difference in Webb's opportunity?
Next year is different. If Webb (or anyone else) is legitimately better for the team, then he should be the new starter. Eli's been a great player for us, but that doesn't earn him a spot at the team's expense. But completely benching Eli now for absolutely no benefit to the team is just a classless insult to a player who's given so much to the franchise.
McAdoof is a fool and one that Reese willingly supported and promoted because he needed Coughlin to be the problem and not his poor drafts and flacid free agent signings and non-signings. It’s a shame that Eli may now be made to take the fall for McAdoof and Reese being so pathetically incompetent.
I would keep the starting streak alive but play Weeb and Geno in garbage time (which for this G’aints squad should be shortly after kickoff in the first or second quarter). Remember too, those of you who can’t wait to see Webb, the offensive line is still going to suck balls and Webb could be ruined by it much more easily than the highly skilled and battle worn Eli.
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Move on from this rather tedious discussion of his streak . This season is over. Might as well take a look at Webb. See if we need to go first round for a QB next year. See if Webb has promise.
If Eli's the best QB on the roster next year and gives us the best chance to win he starts. If not he doesn't.
Why are you completely avoiding the actual discussion. Want to take a look at Webb? Ok, sure. What does that have to do with Eli's streak, which by all accounts is important to him. There's no conflict between continuing to have him start games and also giving Webb plenty of opportunity to play. Why would you do something to insult Eli when it makes no meaningful difference in Webb's opportunity?
Next year is different. If Webb (or anyone else) is legitimately better for the team, then he should be the new starter. Eli's been a great player for us, but that doesn't earn him a spot at the team's expense. But completely benching Eli now for absolutely no benefit to the team is just a classless insult to a player who's given so much to the franchise.
How am I avoiding the conversation?
If Eli can't catch Farve, which he can't, his personal streak becomes an interesting anecdote that nobody will care about or remember in 5 years.
Respect? What are you, friggin Henry Hill?
Eli's been respected to the tune of $200M bucks over his career. He's a big boy. He can face reality.