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How important is Eli's consecutive game streak to you?

wgenesis123 : 11/8/2017 6:42 am
It would not be the end of the world if it came to an end for me. I don't want to see it end however. Not this year anyway. After watching most of my hopes for the Giants this year circle the drain, ending the streak by benching Eli would be the cherry on top of a big pile of shit. I can't bring myself to root for the Giants to lose and get that really high draft pick. They sure are headed that way though. As long as Eli stays healthy I see no harm in playing him. Get Webb some snaps but don't bench Eli.
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I would rather the streak end.....  
Tom [Giants fan] : 11/8/2017 12:47 pm : link
because he retired or they started Webb to see what he has than him getting hurt. Ending the streak to start Webb is fine in my opinion.
Over 100 replies  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 12:56 pm : link
and nobody can explain exactly why Eli needs to be benched, and have his streak ended, for Webb to get meaningful reps.
RE: RE: RE: And it's so childish....  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/8/2017 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13681973 Britt in VA said:
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to questions people's fandom.

Yeah, it's so lame to be huge fans of arguably the Greatest Giant of all time and one of the Greatest Giants coaches of all time.

How dumb.


Says the guy who literally called anyone who disagreed with him a "kid" on multiple threads. That's not childish at all.



You took being called a kid an insult. I merely meant it as a way of saying somebody that lacks perspective over time, of multiple seasons... The bigger picture.

There is no doubt that many here were teenagers or younger when Eli Manning took his first snap of his career, and no no other Giants team than one with him at the helm.

That is lacking perspective of multiple GM's, Coaches, and players over time, bad and good.

Except that I'm not a kid. You and I are pretty much the same age if I recall correctly from a previous thread. I was a Giants fan long before Eli and will continue to be a Giants fan long after Eli. I want what's in the best interest of the team and IMO, the ability to plan for life after Eli is far more important than a streak that isn't even for an actual record. It just feels somewhat superficial to maintain the streak solely for the purpose of the streak itself.

And I do understand where you're coming from, Britt. Where I take exception is the idea that Eli has somehow been wronged when the team will have paid him more than any other player has been paid in the history of the league. Everyone would love to see Eli get one more chance, because that also means the Giants have a chance at another championship. And I think everyone would also hope that Eli can have a graceful exit - he definitely has been a class act and a great QB for his career. But the suggestion that he's been wronged just seems silly to me.
RE: Over 100 replies  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/8/2017 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13682142 Britt in VA said:
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and nobody can explain exactly why Eli needs to be benched, and have his streak ended, for Webb to get meaningful reps.

I think that's the fundamental misunderstanding. No one is saying he should be benched. They're just saying that the streak in and of itself isn't that significant. You're taking that to mean that they want Eli benched.
Actually, there are a lot of people saying they want him benched.  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 1:17 pm : link
Many have outwardly said so, but even if they haven't, if you're an advocate of "ending the streak", then that's exactly what you are saying.

Eli Manning does not need to be benched in order to get Webb reps.
if you're just starting him to play him for a half  
Greg from LI : 11/8/2017 1:20 pm : link
Then putting Webb in for the second half, then what the hell is the point of that silly streak?
The streak is of zero importance  
Go Terps : 11/8/2017 1:21 pm : link
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jcn56 : 11/8/2017 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13681960 Banks said:
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guarantee 99% of people didn't know the record holder prior to Favre. Anyhow, I'm in favor of playing Webb once we are mathematically eliminated. We are probably winning this game so he will pass Peyton. I'm not a fan of just playing Webb in blowout losses because it defeats the purpose of evaluating him properly. In blowouts one of two things generally happen. The defense just tees off of the qb knowing every down in a pass (some expressed concern over him playing with this OL so this option makes that potentially worse) or the defense goes in prevent and we play pitch and catch in garbage time. I'd like to see him under real game circumstances if the season is completely lost.


This is a good point that might get lost - having Webb go only in blowouts essentially amounts to garbage time, where you're not simulating real game conditions. In garbage time with the game decided, we might see a much better Webb than we would if he actually started the game.

I can see both sides, but I'm still in the middle on this one. By no means should he not be allowed to break Peyton's streak and take #2 on the list. At the same time, starting him for a half (or even a quarter) and then benching him seems to diminish the meaning of the accomplishment. Starting him for the rest of his time here, regardless, just to maintain the streak puts his streak ahead of the best interest of the team, which I'd rather not do.
Hard to call a streak silly  
bceagle05 : 11/8/2017 1:38 pm : link
when only two QBs in the history of the league have been able to start more consecutive games. I don't think Eli's obsessed with the streak, but he clearly takes pride in being out there for his teammates, even in a lost cause. Lots of other vets on this team have long since packed it in. The Giants had no intention of seeing Davis Webb play in the next couple of years - if this were a shitty 3-5 team, instead of an ultra-shitty 1-7 team, it probably wouldn't be a topic of conversation.
I just read every comment and I also heard Eli getting interviewed  
wgenesis123 : 11/8/2017 1:49 pm : link
on TV and saying he wants to play. I still see no justification to take that away from him. I don't want this coaching staff making that call. I did not mention this in my original post but some posters still got this point. Eli deserves to be treated with class and I don't see that coming from this coach. In a lost season the Giants should at least salvage a little class. Sometime next year it will be time to blow it all up and even Eli will not be immune to this time of change. Let the new coach handle it!
It's a silly streak if you're starting him just to continue it  
Greg from LI : 11/8/2017 1:58 pm : link
And then having Webb finish the game out, and doing so over and over through the end of the season.
RE: I just read every comment and I also heard Eli getting interviewed  
DennyInDenville : 11/8/2017 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13682225 wgenesis123 said:
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on TV and saying he wants to play. I still see no justification to take that away from him. I don't want this coaching staff making that call. I did not mention this in my original post but some posters still got this point. Eli deserves to be treated with class and I don't see that coming from this coach. In a lost season the Giants should at least salvage a little class. Sometime next year it will be time to blow it all up and even Eli will not be immune to this time of change. Let the new coach handle it!

I fully agree.

If this coach ends Eli's streak, I will boycott the games this year in disgust
Eli starts because he is still the best option at QB, that is why  
wgenesis123 : 11/8/2017 2:03 pm : link
he still deserves it. Snaps for Webb are not relevant to that. They are only relevant because in a lost season you can afford to give him some playing time if he is ready to handle it. If he is not ready it is all a moot point.
Fair enough, I wouldn't want Webb being a relief pitcher either.  
bceagle05 : 11/8/2017 2:04 pm : link
I guess it depends on how you view Webb. I have nothing against him, but the Giants viewed him a developmental player when drafted, and circumstances may dictate they take a better prospect in this year's draft. Forcing Webb in there over a healthy Eli, to me, is completely unnecessary.
I remember when they stuck it to Phil Simms all these years later.  
wgenesis123 : 11/8/2017 2:07 pm : link
I do not remember who started the next game after cutting Simms. It matters that they do this right.
How important is Eli's consecutive game streak to you?  
Jim in NH : 11/8/2017 2:13 pm : link
Not at all.
It's really all I think about  
pjcas18 : 11/8/2017 2:14 pm : link
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Was Eli ready in 2004?  
Greg from LI : 11/8/2017 2:15 pm : link
He stunk as a rookie. Completed less than half of his passes, threw just 6 touchdowns in 7 games, and that wasn't even a lost season when he took over.
When Eli hangs up his cleats  
David B. : 11/8/2017 2:15 pm : link
He's gonna be Top 5 or Top 10 in ALL QB numbers, which is a statement unto itself.

But his consecutive games started streak may be his most impressive stat of all. Certainly the most valuable. He suited up and played, game in, game out. It's almost unheard of. And only two other guys did it longer.

That shouldn't be fucked with by coaching or management decisions. Until there's an official passing of torch IF HE'S HEALTHY, HE SHOULD START.

They cut Simms with 199 TD passes.  
wgenesis123 : 11/8/2017 2:23 pm : link
200 was a pretty big number back than and Phil did it with hardly any talent at WR. I kind of blame Carthon for dropping that TD against the 49ers but that isn't fair. Phil should have had a few more games as a Giant.
RE: Being that he passes his brother in two weeks...  
mrvax : 11/8/2017 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13681539 AnnapolisMike said:
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Important. If it was next year...then who cares. He is not catching Favre.


I agree. After being an Iron Man since 2004, he deserves it.
wgenesis123  
arniefez : 11/8/2017 2:31 pm : link
The Carthon drop was in a playoff game. So Phil would still have 199. Those are regular season TD's. He had 10 playoff TD's. Phil Simms was a hall of fame player he just didn't get enough games to compile the numbers because of injuries, the Giants style of play and two horrible coaching decisions.
arniefez  
wgenesis123 : 11/8/2017 2:41 pm : link
I thought that drop was in the 7-3 regular season game when the Giants and both 10-1. Just can't remember it all anymore.
RE: Over 100 replies  
Thegratefulhead : 11/8/2017 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13682142 Britt in VA said:
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and nobody can explain exactly why Eli needs to be benched, and have his streak ended, for Webb to get meaningful reps.


To really evaluate and have that evaluation mean something, we need Webb to get full time reps in practice. Then we need need to have him play an entire game, see how he handles adjustments during the game. Then, the next week of practice, you will have substantial film to show him and see if learns...repeat repeat repeat. The more time he plays and practices with the starters the more valuable and meaningful that information will be. You knew all of that, you are very Eli, I appreciate that. I am a large Eli supporter. For me, If Webb showed enough, I would not use that top on a QB, I might take Barkely or trade back for more picks. I would have a QB competition in camp next year, year, Eli would win and start. Webb will have gotten invaluable experience in the process.
wgenesis123  
arniefez : 11/8/2017 2:49 pm : link
Ha! Now you have me doubting my memory but I think it was the playoff game. I'll have to check.
Thegratefulhead  
arniefez : 11/8/2017 2:53 pm : link
I mean this with no sarcasm or malice.I don't understand this line of thinking. What if Webb plays 6 games and puts up the same stats Eli did his rookie year? Do we then say he can't play? Eli had a 0.0 QB rating vs the Ravens in 2004.

I'm curious to see Webb play too. Especially if the Giants are 2-10 or something like because at that point I want them to lose them all and he'll get a little real game experience. But I won't hold against him playing on this shit show team for this over matched head coach. So what can we really tell by that?
Means nothing  
KWALL2 : 11/8/2017 2:56 pm : link
It sure doesnt mean enough to prevent the team from taking an opportunity ,during a lost season, to evaluate a rookie QB over 4-5 games.
Above all else it's important  
Matt M. : 11/8/2017 3:01 pm : link
because he is the only QB on the roster that gives the giants even a remote chance of winning.
It means pretty close to nothing.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/8/2017 3:06 pm : link
I'm a Giants fan and want to see the Giants win games no matter who the players are.
This season has gone to total shit  
JerryNYG : 11/8/2017 3:29 pm : link
and we better be on the verge of a total rebuild... All we have this year is the streak and some hope for change next year.
Start Eli for the next 2-3 games  
GeoMan999 : 11/8/2017 3:30 pm : link
Then start Webb for the rest of the season. I feel that Starting and preparing to start is much different than being thrown into a game that is lopsided.

They need to know what they have in Webb for drafting purposes. That is huge. Eli should understand that better than most. It is nothing personal.

You could still decide to start Eli next year, unless Webb looks like a star.
people keep saying he gives us the best chance of winning  
LG in NYC : 11/8/2017 3:41 pm : link
but who cares if we win?

this season is over; I realize many on the team have competing interests (short term vs long term) but from a fan's perspective, all I care about is a top draft pick and to see if we have anything Webb. These are literally the only 2 reasons to care about the Giants week in and week out. so let Eli get to #2 and then let's see what we have in Webb.

if there is a whole new GM and coaching staff, maybe these last handful of games won't even matter... but given where this team is likely headed (rebuild), I personally see great value in seeing what we have in Webb.

I hate this it would appear to disrespect Eli, who is HOFer in every way in my book, but I am a Giants fan first and that is best for the team. Not winning some meaningless game in week 13 or 14 in a lost season. and not this streak.
Everyone keeps ignoring that Webb  
Mike in ramapo college : 11/8/2017 3:50 pm : link
is not even dressed on game day.

You think mid-season you are going to promote Webb to first team practice reps and start him in 2-3 weeks? He barely threw the ball in pre-season and I doubt he gets much practice reps during the season.

Geno is more likely to take over than Webb.

The best way to evaluate Webb is to dump Geno and have Webb take over the #2. Live action is meaningless if the guy is not ready.

RE: Thegratefulhead  
Thegratefulhead : 11/8/2017 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13682349 arniefez said:
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I mean this with no sarcasm or malice.I don't understand this line of thinking. What if Webb plays 6 games and puts up the same stats Eli did his rookie year? Do we then say he can't play? Eli had a 0.0 QB rating vs the Ravens in 2004.

I'm curious to see Webb play too. Especially if the Giants are 2-10 or something like because at that point I want them to lose them all and he'll get a little real game experience. But I won't hold against him playing on this shit show team for this over matched head coach. So what can we really tell by that?
How is he doing in practice? Is learning? How does he handle adversity?
Not very important to me.  
Carson53 : 11/8/2017 4:54 pm : link
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It's not to me... but *IF* it is to Eli...  
MetsAreBack : 11/8/2017 5:13 pm : link
then this organization owes it to him to let him 'start' out the rest of the year, and trade him at seasons end.

I dont want to hear about how we owe it to ourselves to evaluate Webb.

A) He's a project who's not ready
B) No line and no receivers. What's he going to show us? His mobility?
C) He can still play the 2nd half of games and get his reps in
To the Fans that don't care,leave.  
Millburn : 11/8/2017 6:36 pm : link
Eli deserves this .Steve Wonder can see the problems with the Giants are not Eli's fault and he shouldn't be sacrificed just becuase some stupid fans don't care and want to see a rookie get creamed.
RE: To the Fans that don't care,leave.  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 6:38 pm : link
In comment 13682813 Millburn said:
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Eli deserves this .Steve Wonder can see the problems with the Giants are not Eli's fault and he shouldn't be sacrificed just becuase some stupid fans don't care and want to see a rookie get creamed.


lol, I agree with you, but I haven't heard the term "get creamed" in a long while.
RE: RE: Odell Beckham is shown more respect from this fanbase  
djm : 11/8/2017 7:10 pm : link
In comment 13681828 Britt in VA said:
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than Eli Manning.

What a fucking crime.



It's crazy to me.


Oh stop.
RE: To the Fans that don't care,leave.  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/8/2017 7:15 pm : link
In comment 13682813 Millburn said:
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Eli deserves this .Steve Wonder can see the problems with the Giants are not Eli's fault and he shouldn't be sacrificed just becuase some stupid fans don't care and want to see a rookie get creamed.

Leave? Really? Great take.

If you want to be an Eli fan above the best interests of the Giants, go for it. I'll go ahead and be reasonable instead.

This isn't about trying to wrong Eli in any way. I don't think the team should end his streak for the sake of ending it. But I also don't think they should protect/extend it for the sake of that either. It's just not a significant thing - he's chasing down tenth place right now. It's a footnote, not a record.

The Giants have an obligation to keep an eye on the future no matter what. And to whatever extent they can balance that with doing right by Eli (and the streak), great. But the former is the priority, not the latter.
It was more important when they were  
section125 : 11/8/2017 7:16 pm : link
viable. I don't want to see him lose it willy-nilly, but when it happens, I'll feel sad for him, but to me it is just another positive stat.
Keep it going.  
Giants_ROK : 11/8/2017 7:39 pm : link
The streak is a testimony to Eli's elasticity.
RE: RE: To the Fans that don't care,leave.  
Millburn : 11/8/2017 8:13 pm : link
In comment 13682864 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Eli deserves this .Steve Wonder can see the problems with the Giants are not Eli's fault and he shouldn't be sacrificed just becuase some stupid fans don't care and want to see a rookie get creamed.


Leave? Really? Great take.

If you want to be an Eli fan above the best interests of the Giants, go for it. I'll go ahead and be reasonable instead.

This isn't about trying to wrong Eli in any way. I don't think the team should end his streak for the sake of ending it. But I also don't think they should protect/extend it for the sake of that either. It's just not a significant thing - he's chasing down tenth place right now. It's a footnote, not a record.

The Giants have an obligation to keep an eye on the future no matter what. And to whatever extent they can balance that with doing right by Eli (and the streak), great. But the former is the priority, not the latter.




BS, the Giants themselves haven't been interested in the best interest of the Giants themselves .The Owner, GM and the Coach have all taken a walk on this team the QB has not but the fans want this or that ,the fans don't run the team and the team doesn't need their money between the TV contracts and merchandise deals the team is fine money wise.Again all you I don't care fans ,go watch the knicks.
RE: Hate to see it ruined  
Millburn : 11/8/2017 8:15 pm : link
In comment 13682077 trueblueinpw said:
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Especially hate to see Eli’s streak and career ruined by McAdoof and Reese. I know Eli is being branded as skittish, and if it’s true we certainly don’t need to wonder why when he plays with a terrible O line and hasn’t had an NFL caliber running back in years. But Eli isn’t “done” physically as he can still make all the throws and his body isn’t broken down. It’s a shame because he should be wiser as a QB than at any other time and indeed - maybe his wisdom has led to his skittishness. Only an idiot would trust the G’aints pass protection and Eli is no fool.

McAdoof is a fool and one that Reese willingly supported and promoted because he needed Coughlin to be the problem and not his poor drafts and flacid free agent signings and non-signings. It’s a shame that Eli may now be made to take the fall for McAdoof and Reese being so pathetically incompetent.



Agree with ALL of this!!!!
We know who Eli is  
Les in TO : 11/8/2017 8:24 pm : link
We need to see what Webb has got. McAdoo is not going to roll the dice because he's on the chopping block. But the best thing for the Giants given this season is over is to let the kid play.
It's what I think about when I go to sleep  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/8/2017 9:13 pm : link
and what I think about when I wake up.
Non-Issue After Chiefs Game  
Rong5611 : 11/9/2017 8:32 am : link
He will beat his big brother for sure unless he's injured this week. Would like to see that.

Its irrelevant after the Chiefs game, he won't catch Brett.

RE: RE: RE: To the Fans that don't care,leave.  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/9/2017 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13682918 Millburn said:
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Eli deserves this .Steve Wonder can see the problems with the Giants are not Eli's fault and he shouldn't be sacrificed just becuase some stupid fans don't care and want to see a rookie get creamed.


Leave? Really? Great take.

If you want to be an Eli fan above the best interests of the Giants, go for it. I'll go ahead and be reasonable instead.

This isn't about trying to wrong Eli in any way. I don't think the team should end his streak for the sake of ending it. But I also don't think they should protect/extend it for the sake of that either. It's just not a significant thing - he's chasing down tenth place right now. It's a footnote, not a record.

The Giants have an obligation to keep an eye on the future no matter what. And to whatever extent they can balance that with doing right by Eli (and the streak), great. But the former is the priority, not the latter.





BS, the Giants themselves haven't been interested in the best interest of the Giants themselves .The Owner, GM and the Coach have all taken a walk on this team the QB has not but the fans want this or that ,the fans don't run the team and the team doesn't need their money between the TV contracts and merchandise deals the team is fine money wise.Again all you I don't care fans ,go watch the knicks.

If you really believe that the owner doesn't care about the best interests of the team, you should find a new team. The owner will outlast you. Besides that, your take is so incredibly misguided that it's not worth response.

No one should care about chasing down 10th place on the consecutive games played list. Unless, of course, you considered Steve Garvey and Miguel Tejada passing Billy Williams for 4th and 5th place in MLB history to be appointment television.

In the meantime, go learn how to use grammar, syntax, punctuation and your space bar.
Guys... again...  
MetsAreBack : 11/9/2017 1:48 pm : link
a) Webb isnt ready - the GM has said such all year
b) The Giants arent going to find out or somehow materially secure their future... by starting Webb the back half of the season. We have no line and no receivers.
c) they can give Webb his reps in the 2nd half of games if they want (maybe even in the 2nd qtrs, who cares)

There's no rational argument why you can't let Eli start the last 8 games of the season, if those are the two time superbowl champions wishes, and then trade/cut him after the season so he can pursue that streak, if he wishes, elsewhere next year.
The only thing to look forward to  
spike : 11/9/2017 1:49 pm : link
For the next two years
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