It would not be the end of the world if it came to an end for me. I don't want to see it end however. Not this year anyway. After watching most of my hopes for the Giants this year circle the drain, ending the streak by benching Eli would be the cherry on top of a big pile of shit. I can't bring myself to root for the Giants to lose and get that really high draft pick. They sure are headed that way though. As long as Eli stays healthy I see no harm in playing him. Get Webb some snaps but don't bench Eli.
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In comment 13681799 Britt in VA said:
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to questions people's fandom.
Yeah, it's so lame to be huge fans of arguably the Greatest Giant of all time and one of the Greatest Giants coaches of all time.
How dumb.
Says the guy who literally called anyone who disagreed with him a "kid" on multiple threads. That's not childish at all.
You took being called a kid an insult. I merely meant it as a way of saying somebody that lacks perspective over time, of multiple seasons... The bigger picture.
There is no doubt that many here were teenagers or younger when Eli Manning took his first snap of his career, and no no other Giants team than one with him at the helm.
That is lacking perspective of multiple GM's, Coaches, and players over time, bad and good.
Except that I'm not a kid. You and I are pretty much the same age if I recall correctly from a previous thread. I was a Giants fan long before Eli and will continue to be a Giants fan long after Eli. I want what's in the best interest of the team and IMO, the ability to plan for life after Eli is far more important than a streak that isn't even for an actual record. It just feels somewhat superficial to maintain the streak solely for the purpose of the streak itself.
And I do understand where you're coming from, Britt. Where I take exception is the idea that Eli has somehow been wronged when the team will have paid him more than any other player has been paid in the history of the league. Everyone would love to see Eli get one more chance, because that also means the Giants have a chance at another championship. And I think everyone would also hope that Eli can have a graceful exit - he definitely has been a class act and a great QB for his career. But the suggestion that he's been wronged just seems silly to me.
I think that's the fundamental misunderstanding. No one is saying he should be benched. They're just saying that the streak in and of itself isn't that significant. You're taking that to mean that they want Eli benched.
Eli Manning does not need to be benched in order to get Webb reps.
This is a good point that might get lost - having Webb go only in blowouts essentially amounts to garbage time, where you're not simulating real game conditions. In garbage time with the game decided, we might see a much better Webb than we would if he actually started the game.
I can see both sides, but I'm still in the middle on this one. By no means should he not be allowed to break Peyton's streak and take #2 on the list. At the same time, starting him for a half (or even a quarter) and then benching him seems to diminish the meaning of the accomplishment. Starting him for the rest of his time here, regardless, just to maintain the streak puts his streak ahead of the best interest of the team, which I'd rather not do.
I fully agree.
If this coach ends Eli's streak, I will boycott the games this year in disgust
But his consecutive games started streak may be his most impressive stat of all. Certainly the most valuable. He suited up and played, game in, game out. It's almost unheard of. And only two other guys did it longer.
That shouldn't be fucked with by coaching or management decisions. Until there's an official passing of torch IF HE'S HEALTHY, HE SHOULD START.
I agree. After being an Iron Man since 2004, he deserves it.
To really evaluate and have that evaluation mean something, we need Webb to get full time reps in practice. Then we need need to have him play an entire game, see how he handles adjustments during the game. Then, the next week of practice, you will have substantial film to show him and see if learns...repeat repeat repeat. The more time he plays and practices with the starters the more valuable and meaningful that information will be. You knew all of that, you are very Eli, I appreciate that. I am a large Eli supporter. For me, If Webb showed enough, I would not use that top on a QB, I might take Barkely or trade back for more picks. I would have a QB competition in camp next year, year, Eli would win and start. Webb will have gotten invaluable experience in the process.
I'm curious to see Webb play too. Especially if the Giants are 2-10 or something like because at that point I want them to lose them all and he'll get a little real game experience. But I won't hold against him playing on this shit show team for this over matched head coach. So what can we really tell by that?
They need to know what they have in Webb for drafting purposes. That is huge. Eli should understand that better than most. It is nothing personal.
You could still decide to start Eli next year, unless Webb looks like a star.
this season is over; I realize many on the team have competing interests (short term vs long term) but from a fan's perspective, all I care about is a top draft pick and to see if we have anything Webb. These are literally the only 2 reasons to care about the Giants week in and week out. so let Eli get to #2 and then let's see what we have in Webb.
if there is a whole new GM and coaching staff, maybe these last handful of games won't even matter... but given where this team is likely headed (rebuild), I personally see great value in seeing what we have in Webb.
I hate this it would appear to disrespect Eli, who is HOFer in every way in my book, but I am a Giants fan first and that is best for the team. Not winning some meaningless game in week 13 or 14 in a lost season. and not this streak.
You think mid-season you are going to promote Webb to first team practice reps and start him in 2-3 weeks? He barely threw the ball in pre-season and I doubt he gets much practice reps during the season.
Geno is more likely to take over than Webb.
The best way to evaluate Webb is to dump Geno and have Webb take over the #2. Live action is meaningless if the guy is not ready.
I'm curious to see Webb play too. Especially if the Giants are 2-10 or something like because at that point I want them to lose them all and he'll get a little real game experience. But I won't hold against him playing on this shit show team for this over matched head coach. So what can we really tell by that?
I dont want to hear about how we owe it to ourselves to evaluate Webb.
A) He's a project who's not ready
B) No line and no receivers. What's he going to show us? His mobility?
C) He can still play the 2nd half of games and get his reps in
lol, I agree with you, but I haven't heard the term "get creamed" in a long while.
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than Eli Manning.
What a fucking crime.
It's crazy to me.
Oh stop.
Leave? Really? Great take.
If you want to be an Eli fan above the best interests of the Giants, go for it. I'll go ahead and be reasonable instead.
This isn't about trying to wrong Eli in any way. I don't think the team should end his streak for the sake of ending it. But I also don't think they should protect/extend it for the sake of that either. It's just not a significant thing - he's chasing down tenth place right now. It's a footnote, not a record.
The Giants have an obligation to keep an eye on the future no matter what. And to whatever extent they can balance that with doing right by Eli (and the streak), great. But the former is the priority, not the latter.
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Eli deserves this .Steve Wonder can see the problems with the Giants are not Eli's fault and he shouldn't be sacrificed just becuase some stupid fans don't care and want to see a rookie get creamed.
Leave? Really? Great take.
If you want to be an Eli fan above the best interests of the Giants, go for it. I'll go ahead and be reasonable instead.
This isn't about trying to wrong Eli in any way. I don't think the team should end his streak for the sake of ending it. But I also don't think they should protect/extend it for the sake of that either. It's just not a significant thing - he's chasing down tenth place right now. It's a footnote, not a record.
The Giants have an obligation to keep an eye on the future no matter what. And to whatever extent they can balance that with doing right by Eli (and the streak), great. But the former is the priority, not the latter.
BS, the Giants themselves haven't been interested in the best interest of the Giants themselves .The Owner, GM and the Coach have all taken a walk on this team the QB has not but the fans want this or that ,the fans don't run the team and the team doesn't need their money between the TV contracts and merchandise deals the team is fine money wise.Again all you I don't care fans ,go watch the knicks.
McAdoof is a fool and one that Reese willingly supported and promoted because he needed Coughlin to be the problem and not his poor drafts and flacid free agent signings and non-signings. It’s a shame that Eli may now be made to take the fall for McAdoof and Reese being so pathetically incompetent.
Agree with ALL of this!!!!
Its irrelevant after the Chiefs game, he won't catch Brett.
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Eli deserves this .Steve Wonder can see the problems with the Giants are not Eli's fault and he shouldn't be sacrificed just becuase some stupid fans don't care and want to see a rookie get creamed.
Leave? Really? Great take.
If you want to be an Eli fan above the best interests of the Giants, go for it. I'll go ahead and be reasonable instead.
This isn't about trying to wrong Eli in any way. I don't think the team should end his streak for the sake of ending it. But I also don't think they should protect/extend it for the sake of that either. It's just not a significant thing - he's chasing down tenth place right now. It's a footnote, not a record.
The Giants have an obligation to keep an eye on the future no matter what. And to whatever extent they can balance that with doing right by Eli (and the streak), great. But the former is the priority, not the latter.
BS, the Giants themselves haven't been interested in the best interest of the Giants themselves .The Owner, GM and the Coach have all taken a walk on this team the QB has not but the fans want this or that ,the fans don't run the team and the team doesn't need their money between the TV contracts and merchandise deals the team is fine money wise.Again all you I don't care fans ,go watch the knicks.
If you really believe that the owner doesn't care about the best interests of the team, you should find a new team. The owner will outlast you. Besides that, your take is so incredibly misguided that it's not worth response.
No one should care about chasing down 10th place on the consecutive games played list. Unless, of course, you considered Steve Garvey and Miguel Tejada passing Billy Williams for 4th and 5th place in MLB history to be appointment television.
In the meantime, go learn how to use grammar, syntax, punctuation and your space bar.
b) The Giants arent going to find out or somehow materially secure their future... by starting Webb the back half of the season. We have no line and no receivers.
c) they can give Webb his reps in the 2nd half of games if they want (maybe even in the 2nd qtrs, who cares)
There's no rational argument why you can't let Eli start the last 8 games of the season, if those are the two time superbowl champions wishes, and then trade/cut him after the season so he can pursue that streak, if he wishes, elsewhere next year.