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How important is Eli's consecutive game streak to you?

wgenesis123 : 11/8/2017 6:42 am
It would not be the end of the world if it came to an end for me. I don't want to see it end however. Not this year anyway. After watching most of my hopes for the Giants this year circle the drain, ending the streak by benching Eli would be the cherry on top of a big pile of shit. I can't bring myself to root for the Giants to lose and get that really high draft pick. They sure are headed that way though. As long as Eli stays healthy I see no harm in playing him. Get Webb some snaps but don't bench Eli.
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I wouldn't bet on two things  
JonC : 11/9/2017 1:55 pm : link
One, the coaches doing anything that likely blocks their best chance to winning games. Two, the Giants not putting Eli out there after all these years and what he's meant to the franchise. I just don't see the end being near enough for him to sit.

Also, the team likely has a very good idea of what Webb is at the moment, and it's repeatedly said he's not ready.

I know fans don't want to hear it, but there's a good chance we're not finding out much about the post-Eli future anytime soon, imo.
RE: Everyone keeps ignoring that Webb  
Matt M. : 11/9/2017 2:14 pm : link
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is not even dressed on game day.

You think mid-season you are going to promote Webb to first team practice reps and start him in 2-3 weeks? He barely threw the ball in pre-season and I doubt he gets much practice reps during the season.

Geno is more likely to take over than Webb.

The best way to evaluate Webb is to dump Geno and have Webb take over the #2. Live action is meaningless if the guy is not ready.
True, but there is no rhyme or reason to promoting Smith. He isn't better than Eli and has no place in the future of this team. What would make sense at this point is to promote Webb to #2.
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LG in NYC : 11/9/2017 2:23 pm : link
I hear you but this is the same group that kept trotting out Paul Perkins and Bobby Hart week after week saying these were our best options... and now we know better.

so I am not assuming their decisions are necessarily the right ones.
LG  
JonC : 11/9/2017 2:25 pm : link
I hear you, but players earn their time in practice. It's entirely possible these were their best options in that regard. Talent acquisition needs big improvement, without a doubt. And at the end of the season, there will be changes to the staffs. I just don't see them doing what's best for the fans between now and then.
The steak isn't a big but Eli is important  
Steve in South Jersey : 11/9/2017 2:29 pm : link
Eli has so much class and is easy to root for. If this comes to an ugly end like with Simms; I think my interest will dim. I have already lost interest in the NFL as a whole while still loving the Giants. An ugly separation may turn me into a casual Giants fan who doesn't need to follow the team so closely.
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BrettNYG10 : 11/9/2017 2:30 pm : link
I care about it - I want Eli to pad his stats for the HOF and he needs to play to do that. I'd like to see him get to 400 TD's. He'll probably have to play another 3 years for that - at least 2 for sure.
RE: It was more important when they were  
Jersey55 : 11/9/2017 4:43 pm : link
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viable. I don't want to see him lose it willy-nilly, but when it happens, I'll feel sad for him, but to me it is just another positive stat.
whats best for the franchise is more important than whats good for Eli's image........
Keep it going  
Route 9 : 11/9/2017 11:24 pm : link
Webb won't save the day. You won't be able to get to see what he is capable of behind this garbage ass offensive line.
RE: LG  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/10/2017 12:13 am : link
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I hear you, but players earn their time in practice. It's entirely possible these were their best options in that regard. Talent acquisition needs big improvement, without a doubt. And at the end of the season, there will be changes to the staffs. I just don't see them doing what's best for the fans between now and then.

The problem with that logic is that, under the current CBA, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. There really isn't enough practice time during the season for players to crack the lineup if they didn't do so in camp/preseason. It was certainly true in the past that playing time was earned in practice, but I don't think it is anymore. The lineup is what it is unless injuries or in-game ineffectiveness intervene (and sometimes even the latter isn't a given).
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Britt in VA : 11/10/2017 6:59 am : link
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I hear you, but players earn their time in practice. It's entirely possible these were their best options in that regard. Talent acquisition needs big improvement, without a doubt. And at the end of the season, there will be changes to the staffs. I just don't see them doing what's best for the fans between now and then.


The problem with that logic is that, under the current CBA, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. There really isn't enough practice time during the season for players to crack the lineup if they didn't do so in camp/preseason. It was certainly true in the past that playing time was earned in practice, but I don't think it is anymore. The lineup is what it is unless injuries or in-game ineffectiveness intervene (and sometimes even the latter isn't a given).


Which is why Reese, and Ross, and anybody else who has any knowledge of the situation said they wanted him to sit and learn for a couple years.

I don't get why this is so hard for people to understand. It's so clear...
It's an incredible feat ... the man has not missed a game since the  
baadbill : 11/10/2017 8:29 am : link
day the football was turned over to him ...

But the amazing significance of the streak is its legitimacy and it would be completely unacceptable to "just start and then remove him" simply to keep the streak alive. That would serve to put an asterisk next to what is otherwise quite an accomplishment.

I would only want him to get two more games so he passes his brother.
RE: RE: LG  
JonC : 11/10/2017 8:53 am : link
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I hear you, but players earn their time in practice. It's entirely possible these were their best options in that regard. Talent acquisition needs big improvement, without a doubt. And at the end of the season, there will be changes to the staffs. I just don't see them doing what's best for the fans between now and then.


The problem with that logic is that, under the current CBA, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. There really isn't enough practice time during the season for players to crack the lineup if they didn't do so in camp/preseason. It was certainly true in the past that playing time was earned in practice, but I don't think it is anymore. The lineup is what it is unless injuries or in-game ineffectiveness intervene (and sometimes even the latter isn't a given).


It appears this coaching staff still follows the practice meritocracy principle.
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LG in NYC : 11/10/2017 9:31 am : link
I agree... the immediate needs of the coaching staff are not necessarily in line with what is best for the team long term.

My comment was just more in response to the idea that just b/c the coaching staff isn't putting someone in the game doesn't mean they aren't capable. McAdoo and staff have already shown they will stick with the wrong guy for too long, so their decision not to play Webb doesn't tell me much about whether Webb is capable or not.
Understood, LG  
JonC : 11/10/2017 9:52 am : link
They've got a bigger problem of improving their scouting process for OL, self-scouting themselves as an org, and getting out in front of roster issues more effectively, become less reactionary as Terps has pointed out.
The Giants fired Coughlin and kept pretty much everyone else  
arniefez : 11/10/2017 11:24 am : link
on the coaching staff. Nothing has changed as far as the best players playing.
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Gatorade Dunk : 11/10/2017 11:49 am : link
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I hear you, but players earn their time in practice. It's entirely possible these were their best options in that regard. Talent acquisition needs big improvement, without a doubt. And at the end of the season, there will be changes to the staffs. I just don't see them doing what's best for the fans between now and then.


The problem with that logic is that, under the current CBA, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. There really isn't enough practice time during the season for players to crack the lineup if they didn't do so in camp/preseason. It was certainly true in the past that playing time was earned in practice, but I don't think it is anymore. The lineup is what it is unless injuries or in-game ineffectiveness intervene (and sometimes even the latter isn't a given).



It appears this coaching staff still follows the practice meritocracy principle.

My point is there are only so many reps to go around given the limitations under the current CBA, so the opportunity for any depth chart movement is extremely minimal. It's not really a meritocracy unless all parties involved actually have a chance to display their merit.

A true meritocracy doesn't award bonus points simply for being the incumbent, but due to the practice time restrictions, the Giants (and most/all NFL teams, probably) essentially do, since the 1's get the majority of time and attention in practice.
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