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Giants looking closely at Darnold and other top QBs

jeff57 : 11/8/2017 7:41 am
Raanan:

Sources: #Giants looking closely at Sam Darnold, top QB prospects. Directive was given when season slipped away.
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RE: RE: Teams trade up  
The_Boss : 11/8/2017 9:47 am : link
In comment 13681739 The_Boss said:
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To get players they like and are willing to give up the draft picks to do so.

To make the correlation between the Giants tipping their hand and letting teams move up above them is just absurd.

Teams trade up and down in every round.

Giants traded up in 2002 for Jeremy Shockey for two reasons. One, they wanted him. And two, they probably thought the team picking ahead of them would take him.

This idea that the Giants are telling people who they're picking and then teams are jumping them makes no sense at all.



I get it: some here will defend the organization to the death. But, last year for example, every beat writer and even Chris fucking Canty on the radio said Reese got out foxed by telegraphing his admiration for Floyd and Decker so much in draft season that he got traded up in front of by Chicago and Detroit for those 2 and had to settle for Eli Apple.


Was Conklin, not Decker, and Tennessee, not Detroit.

But the fact that Floyd and Conklin went the 2 picks prior to Apple via trade up, cements the notion that teams knew Reese's intentions.
You have to love that it's stated as fact that the Giants  
jcn56 : 11/8/2017 9:48 am : link
tipped their hand - and yet, not a single factual statement to support it.

What really happened - players went in draft slots commensurate to where they were expected to be drafted in mock drafts leading up to it. Teams leapfrogged the Giants because they knew the Giants were likely takers - not because of some sinister leak, but because of obvious holes on the roster and the plain as the nose on your face approach of drafting for a combo of need and value.

So when the player basic mock drafts had evaluated as the #11 overall player in the draft ends up going, uh, 11th overall, to a team needing an OT, a few picks before the Giants - since the Giants had a need at OT, it very obviously means there was a leak.

Don't quit your day jobs.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The whole report is just stupid...  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 11/8/2017 9:52 am : link
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Teams knew they had the hots for Taylor Lewan, Taylor Decker, Leonard Floyd, etc and traded in front of them to get them. [/quote]

You guys spout conjecture and pretend it is fact.

What you don't seem to grasp is that your statement based on your "knowledge" is pure conjecture. You don't know what player they wanted. You don't. Let that sink in. You DON'T KNOW.

Just because some dumbfuck beat writer tweets they are interested in a player doesn't mean it is a fact that he is their first choice.

It could mean that he is one of many players they like. It could be a false lead. It could be bullshit.

At any rate any team would be foolish not to suspect they liked and needed Conklin. The Titans traded up to get him. It happens.

What you schmucks can't understand is that even if the interest in Conklin wasn't reported the Titans would have likely felt we were a huge threat to pick him and made that move.

Also, any team has contingency plans in place. They have this thing called a "draft board", and if the 1st player they want is gone they pick a different guy. It's not like when Conklin was gone they had no plan in place and picked out of a fucking hat.

This entire argument is meaningless and asinine but some posters keep repeating it even after several of us explain to you that it is foolish.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The whole report is just stupid...  
The_Boss : 11/8/2017 9:58 am : link
In comment 13681778 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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Teams knew they had the hots for Taylor Lewan, Taylor Decker, Leonard Floyd, etc and traded in front of them to get them.


You guys spout conjecture and pretend it is fact.

What you don't seem to grasp is that your statement based on your "knowledge" is pure conjecture. You don't know what player they wanted. You don't. Let that sink in. You DON'T KNOW.

Just because some dumbfuck beat writer tweets they are interested in a player doesn't mean it is a fact that he is their first choice.

It could mean that he is one of many players they like. It could be a false lead. It could be bullshit.

At any rate any team would be foolish not to suspect they liked and needed Conklin. The Titans traded up to get him. It happens.

What you schmucks can't understand is that even if the interest in Conklin wasn't reported the Titans would have likely felt we were a huge threat to pick him and made that move.

Also, any team has contingency plans in place. They have this thing called a "draft board", and if the 1st player they want is gone they pick a different guy. It's not like when Conklin was gone they had no plan in place and picked out of a fucking hat.

This entire argument is meaningless and asinine but some posters keep repeating it even after several of us explain to you that it is foolish. [/quote]

No it's not foolish at all. If Reese and his staff were competent. perhaps I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But he sucks the cak, so I'm going to believe the folks who get paid to follow and report on my team as opposed to the " always sunny blue sky and rainbow" crew on BBI.
So first you state it as fact  
jcn56 : 11/8/2017 10:00 am : link
then it becomes 'well, Reese is incompetent so it has to be true'.

Busboy logic at it's finest.
RE: So first you state it as fact  
The_Boss : 11/8/2017 10:03 am : link
In comment 13681789 jcn56 said:
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then it becomes 'well, Reese is incompetent so it has to be true'.

Busboy logic at it's finest.


Busboy?
Almost as laughable as your reputation here.
You're right, my reputation is suspect  
jcn56 : 11/8/2017 10:04 am : link
Now, if I were you I'd get after table 12 I hear they leave 20s.
RE: You're right, my reputation is suspect  
The_Boss : 11/8/2017 10:05 am : link
In comment 13681798 jcn56 said:
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Now, if I were you I'd get after table 12 I hear they leave 20s.


Right after you shove a splintered broomstick up your ass.
RE: RE: also with reports that darnold may not come out  
Sonic Youth : 11/8/2017 10:05 am : link
In comment 13681664 BigBlue4You09 said:
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the giants could be leaking their interest hoping darnold is intrigued and comes out



Why would he be intrigued at coming to this shit storm?
When you're going to be a top QB pick in the draft, there is no situation where you are not going to a team that is in a "shitstorm".

Giants are in a much better spot than other teams that usually pick 1-3. We were 11-5 last year, after all.
RE: RE: You're right, my reputation is suspect  
jcn56 : 11/8/2017 10:07 am : link
In comment 13681800 The_Boss said:
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Now, if I were you I'd get after table 12 I hear they leave 20s.



Right after you shove a splintered broomstick up your ass.


OK, mental note - busboy has odd sodomy fantasies. Duly noted.
RE: RE: RE: You're right, my reputation is suspect  
The_Boss : 11/8/2017 10:10 am : link
In comment 13681806 jcn56 said:
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Now, if I were you I'd get after table 12 I hear they leave 20s.



Right after you shove a splintered broomstick up your ass.



OK, mental note - busboy has odd sodomy fantasies. Duly noted.


another winning zinger from this loser.
Hey, you're the one who looks stupid here  
jcn56 : 11/8/2017 10:16 am : link
You're just not smart enough to know it.

You stated it as fact - and yet can't provide a single piece of factual evidence that supports your position that the FO was tipping picks.

That was before you turned to ass fantasy, which I'm guessing golf course busboys have a lot of time to spend on. Must have something to do with those plaid pants.
My question is...  
lawguy9801 : 11/8/2017 10:21 am : link
...why the eff is Marc Ross the one doing the scouting? He should be fired along with Reese.
RE: RE: As they should  
Jim in Tampa : 11/8/2017 10:23 am : link
In comment 13681595 ajr2456 said:
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You start the rookie. Eli is only going to be more washed up next year.


Eli would still likely give the Giants the best chance to win next year over any rookie they draft. Rookie QBs rarely have great rookie campaigns.

If the Giants draft a top QB this year Eli still starts. If the Giants look like they're going nowhere then and only then do they play the rookie QB (just like Warner / Eli in 2004.)
I wouldn't liken it to Warner/Eli - more to Favre/Rodgers  
jcn56 : 11/8/2017 10:26 am : link
Warner was always meant to be a placeholder (they wanted KC to stay to do that, but he balked).

In this case, because of your draft position you draft the guy of the future, and even if he sits for 2-3 years you're OK with it (especially now with the rookie slotting and lower cost for high draft picks).

Of course, you'd hope Eli is no Favre when it comes to hanging them up, but it's hard to believe he would be.
I pray this is the beginning of a feint ...  
Spider56 : 11/8/2017 10:26 am : link
Send Marc Ross to look at QBs, then draft all OLs and LBs.
RE: Hey, you're the one who looks stupid here  
The_Boss : 11/8/2017 10:33 am : link
In comment 13681820 jcn56 said:
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You're just not smart enough to know it.

You stated it as fact - and yet can't provide a single piece of factual evidence that supports your position that the FO was tipping picks.

That was before you turned to ass fantasy, which I'm guessing golf course busboys have a lot of time to spend on. Must have something to do with those plaid pants.


Tell you what dick, if I run into Rapoport on the grounds before the end of the golf season, I'll ask him about Reese's reputation throughout the league. He's already told me that in the media at least, the perception is Beckham saved his job.
The message is expected  
JonC : 11/8/2017 10:49 am : link
the leaking and timing is what should be noted.
RE: You have to love that it's stated as fact that the Giants  
jvm52106 : 11/8/2017 10:54 am : link
In comment 13681771 jcn56 said:
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tipped their hand - and yet, not a single factual statement to support it.

What really happened - players went in draft slots commensurate to where they were expected to be drafted in mock drafts leading up to it. Teams leapfrogged the Giants because they knew the Giants were likely takers - not because of some sinister leak, but because of obvious holes on the roster and the plain as the nose on your face approach of drafting for a combo of need and value.

So when the player basic mock drafts had evaluated as the #11 overall player in the draft ends up going, uh, 11th overall, to a team needing an OT, a few picks before the Giants - since the Giants had a need at OT, it very obviously means there was a leak.

Don't quit your day jobs.


No offense but the Giants did tip their hands, 16 weeks during the regular season!
RE: The message is expected  
Racer : 11/8/2017 10:57 am : link
In comment 13681890 JonC said:
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the leaking and timing is what should be noted.


...and perhaps who it was leaked to and who they work for(?).
I love how the media...  
2ndroundKO : 11/8/2017 11:01 am : link
knows who were going to take that went ahead of us, but not who we actually took. They give us, five, sometimes 10 players we might take yet neither Engram nor Apple were on any of those lists.
God this is a huge game for us this Sunday  
est1986 : 11/8/2017 11:08 am : link
Go Browns! Go 9ers!

I mean seriously.. yeah SF has Jimmy G but that's not going to stop them from taking a top QB or at the very least trading the pick to someone who does want a QB and wants to jump us like we get jumped every fucking year.

I think we are basically locked in for a top 3 pick if we lose this Sunday. Looking at 9ers and Browns remaining schedule and our remaing schedule we need to lose this Sunday to have a shot at that number one overall pick.
RE: As they should  
bigbluescot : 11/8/2017 11:10 am : link
In comment 13681583 Matt in SGS said:
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best case scenario, if the cap can be managed, is Eli is the QB in 2018 and he continues to mentor Webb and the new QB. Come 2019, you hand the reigns to the winner of that battle (think Dave Brown vs. Kent Graham....but with actual good QBs). Giants can then have 2 good, young QBs go forward. With the potential of trading one of them down the (more likely Webb) for 2nd rounder or better. That was the old Jacksonville and Philly plan back in the 1990s and early 2000s.


The problem is reps. The practice restrictions these days make it very difficult to groom QB's especially if they're the 3rd string, there's just no enough practice reps.
A lot of conflating of facts in here  
JonC : 11/8/2017 11:13 am : link
Teams recognized the Giants needs and tendencies, and at the top of the draft it's not hard to predict to an accurate degree how picks will unfold, or whom you might have to leapfrog to pick a coveted target.

At the same time, I think it's clear the interest in Floyd and Conklin was out there, hell I was told it flowed through the grapevine John Mara wanted Conklin and the scouts wanted Floyd. I had Flowers name here on BBI myself a couple weeks before the draft, and knew they were monitoring Landon Collins status. The fact they picked Apple suggests that name wasn't out there. I for one never heard his name including when they were on the clock, which is when I get a name virtually every year. It was crickets.

Lewan was reportedly not on their target short list, there were character red flags, as it was with Tunsil.
Please  
NikkiMac : 11/8/2017 11:16 am : link
Look at Baker Mayfield too thanks !!!!!!
RE: A lot of conflating of facts in here  
The_Boss : 11/8/2017 11:19 am : link
In comment 13681939 JonC said:
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Teams recognized the Giants needs and tendencies, and at the top of the draft it's not hard to predict to an accurate degree how picks will unfold, or whom you might have to leapfrog to pick a coveted target.

At the same time, I think it's clear the interest in Floyd and Conklin was out there, hell I was told it flowed through the grapevine John Mara wanted Conklin and the scouts wanted Floyd. I had Flowers name here on BBI myself a couple weeks before the draft, and knew they were monitoring Landon Collins status. The fact they picked Apple suggests that name wasn't out there. I for one never heard his name including when they were on the clock, which is when I get a name virtually every year. It was crickets.

Lewan was reportedly not on their target short list, there were character red flags, as it was with Tunsil.


Boom.
Thank you.
If only Tunsil's bong rip pic didn't come out  
Sonic Youth : 11/8/2017 11:20 am : link
We'd probably have our pick between Floyd or (hopefully) Conklin over Apple right now...
RE: Please  
The_Boss : 11/8/2017 11:21 am : link
In comment 13681947 NikkiMac said:
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Look at Baker Mayfield too thanks !!!!!!


Him, Jackson, and Rudolph are the 3 guys I don't want.
I'd be happy/content with any of Allen, Rosen, or Darnold.
I want Darnold..  
Sean : 11/8/2017 11:23 am : link
Do whatever it takes to get him. No settling.
RE: If only Tunsil's bong rip pic didn't come out  
JonC : 11/8/2017 11:23 am : link
In comment 13681954 Sonic Youth said:
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We'd probably have our pick between Floyd or (hopefully) Conklin over Apple right now...


I heard Tunsil was already off their board.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The whole report is just stupid...  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/8/2017 11:30 am : link
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1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.

2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.


Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?


The level of stupidity on here is incredible sometimes. And I love how everyone knew we were drafting Engram last year. Or Apple the year before.



It is common knowledge that in various drafts teams knew what our plans were.



Hopefully the next FO doesn't telegraph their first rounders like this incompetent group has done as of late.



have they? you knew they were going to draft flowers, beckham or apple?

As much as I think the whole telegraphing of draft interest nonsense is silly, it's not really appropriate to use Apple as an example that disproves those who feel that the Giants telegraph their picks because the way it played out, with Conklin and Floyd going right before the Giants' pick, is actually what the telegraph crowd points to.
RE: A lot of conflating of facts in here  
2ndroundKO : 11/8/2017 11:31 am : link
In comment 13681939 JonC said:
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Teams recognized the Giants needs and tendencies, and at the top of the draft it's not hard to predict to an accurate degree how picks will unfold, or whom you might have to leapfrog to pick a coveted target.

At the same time, I think it's clear the interest in Floyd and Conklin was out there, hell I was told it flowed through the grapevine John Mara wanted Conklin and the scouts wanted Floyd. I had Flowers name here on BBI myself a couple weeks before the draft, and knew they were monitoring Landon Collins status. The fact they picked Apple suggests that name wasn't out there. I for one never heard his name including when they were on the clock, which is when I get a name virtually every year. It was crickets.

Lewan was reportedly not on their target short list, there were character red flags, as it was with Tunsil.


No one knew we were picking Engram either. Or Beckham.
Lots of moving parts...  
Chris684 : 11/8/2017 11:31 am : link
None more important than WHO is making this decision obviously, but this is a no-brainer.

A QB, Barkley, Arden Key are all in play 1-5.

If it was me the Notre Dame Guard (if it's true he projects as generational talent) would be in play as well.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The whole report is just stupid...  
2ndroundKO : 11/8/2017 11:32 am : link
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1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.

2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.


Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?


The level of stupidity on here is incredible sometimes. And I love how everyone knew we were drafting Engram last year. Or Apple the year before.



It is common knowledge that in various drafts teams knew what our plans were.



Hopefully the next FO doesn't telegraph their first rounders like this incompetent group has done as of late.



have they? you knew they were going to draft flowers, beckham or apple?


As much as I think the whole telegraphing of draft interest nonsense is silly, it's not really appropriate to use Apple as an example that disproves those who feel that the Giants telegraph their picks because the way it played out, with Conklin and Floyd going right before the Giants' pick, is actually what the telegraph crowd points to.


Especially when they had us picking Vernon hargreaves as a back-up. And had us picking Njoku last yr, who went after Engram.
Interest in Engram was well known  
JonC : 11/8/2017 11:35 am : link
as was Mahomes and McCaffrey, info absolutely does leak out. The leak isn't typically Reese himself. Leave it at that.

But, it's not always the case there's a leak. Even if no leak is in play, professionals could easily decipher through mock draft repetition and team needs and tendencies whom the Giants would target at #10, as jcn outlined.

RE: RE: A lot of conflating of facts in here  
JonC : 11/8/2017 11:37 am : link
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Teams recognized the Giants needs and tendencies, and at the top of the draft it's not hard to predict to an accurate degree how picks will unfold, or whom you might have to leapfrog to pick a coveted target.

At the same time, I think it's clear the interest in Floyd and Conklin was out there, hell I was told it flowed through the grapevine John Mara wanted Conklin and the scouts wanted Floyd. I had Flowers name here on BBI myself a couple weeks before the draft, and knew they were monitoring Landon Collins status. The fact they picked Apple suggests that name wasn't out there. I for one never heard his name including when they were on the clock, which is when I get a name virtually every year. It was crickets.

Lewan was reportedly not on their target short list, there were character red flags, as it was with Tunsil.



No one knew we were picking Engram either. Or Beckham.


I put the names of Engram and OB here on those respective draft nights.
RE: The whole report is just stupid...  
Breeze_94 : 11/8/2017 11:40 am : link
In comment 13681627 EricJ said:
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1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.

2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.


The one good thing about being this bad is that the Giants don't really have to worry about teams trading up to take their guy this year. If they lose to SF, they are in the drviers seat for the #2 pick behind only the Browns, and we know the Browns likely won't get it right with their pick.
Hargreaves and Njoku  
JonC : 11/8/2017 11:42 am : link
appear to have been errant guesses by the media, but info was out there NYG had CB in play at #10, just no accurate names surfaced before Apple was picked.
There was considerable chatter about OB that began  
JonC : 11/8/2017 11:43 am : link
a few days before the draft, none of us who heard his name believed it, but it was out there.
RE: RE: The whole report is just stupid...  
The_Boss : 11/8/2017 11:44 am : link
In comment 13681997 Breeze_94 said:
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1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.

2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.



The one good thing about being this bad is that the Giants don't really have to worry about teams trading up to take their guy this year. If they lose to SF, they are in the drviers seat for the #2 pick behind only the Browns, and we know the Browns likely won't get it right with their pick.


With our luck, this year they do.
They too might blow the entire operation up.
RE: There was considerable chatter about OB that began  
2ndroundKO : 11/8/2017 11:45 am : link
In comment 13682007 JonC said:
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a few days before the draft, none of us who heard his name believed it, but it was out there.


So would you consider this a leak outside of what's the norm for other teams?
RE: RE: There was considerable chatter about OB that began  
JonC : 11/8/2017 11:47 am : link
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a few days before the draft, none of us who heard his name believed it, but it was out there.



So would you consider this a leak outside of what's the norm for other teams?


Probably not. I think NYG has had some bad and good luck on draft nights.
Why are the dead men walking  
SHO'NUFF : 11/8/2017 12:28 pm : link
looking into next year when they won't be here?
So we've basically confirmed - there's no proof of a leak  
jcn56 : 11/8/2017 12:43 pm : link
There are rumors - and rumored interest is silly because there are 32 teams focused in on the same set of limited players, especially the blue chip prospects at the top of the draft that are essentially limited to no more than 15 names at premium positions that just about all teams try to fill.

For all the rumors out there - nobody seems to accurately peg who we're going to pick ahead of time, which given the limited set of prospects should be relatively easy with inside info.

None of this means that leaks do not exist, or that anyone operates a completely tight ship. Just that there is no evidence to support that there is a known problem with leaks in the Giants org.
RE: Why are the dead men walking  
Jim in Tampa : 11/8/2017 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13682085 SHO'NUFF said:
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looking into next year when they won't be here?


Who would you propose look into it...the replacements the Giants haven't hired yet?
No one's going to put their name to outing proof  
JonC : 11/8/2017 1:03 pm : link
for obvious reasons, we all have to accept conjecture, rumor, fluidity, and deception etc as part of the process.
RE: No one's going to put their name to outing proof  
jcn56 : 11/8/2017 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13682159 JonC said:
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for obvious reasons, we all have to accept conjecture, rumor, fluidity, and deception etc as part of the process.


That's fine Jon - but it doesn't excuse people from running around accusing the Giants FO of tipping picks as fact. Conklin was rising up draft boards as one of the top tackles just before the draft. Plenty of mocks had us not picking the guy at all, and him going in the mid-teens, and nobody figured Tunsil would drop and elevate his status. Suddenly, the Titans trade up for him, and it's because those sad sack Giants let everyone know they needed a tackle.

As if you needed a leak or Kreskin's ESP to figure out that the Giants needed a tackle.
agreed  
JonC : 11/8/2017 1:09 pm : link
dude, in many examples fans have tried to use it's a stretch fueled by anger.
RE: RE: No one's going to put their name to outing proof  
The_Boss : 11/8/2017 1:19 pm : link
In comment 13682172 jcn56 said:
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for obvious reasons, we all have to accept conjecture, rumor, fluidity, and deception etc as part of the process.



That's fine Jon - but it doesn't excuse people from running around accusing the Giants FO of tipping picks as fact. Conklin was rising up draft boards as one of the top tackles just before the draft. Plenty of mocks had us not picking the guy at all, and him going in the mid-teens, and nobody figured Tunsil would drop and elevate his status. Suddenly, the Titans trade up for him, and it's because those sad sack Giants let everyone know they needed a tackle.

As if you needed a leak or Kreskin's ESP to figure out that the Giants needed a tackle.


Teams recognized the Giants needs and tendencies, and at the top of the draft it's not hard to predict to an accurate degree how picks will unfold, or whom you might have to leapfrog to pick a coveted target.

"At the same time, I think it's clear the interest in Floyd and Conklin was out there, hell I was told it flowed through the grapevine John Mara wanted Conklin and the scouts wanted Floyd."
-JonC half the page above

Let's just say we're both right and move on
RE: RE: RE: As they should  
ajr2456 : 11/8/2017 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13681839 Jim in Tampa said:
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You start the rookie. Eli is only going to be more washed up next year.



Eli would still likely give the Giants the best chance to win next year over any rookie they draft. Rookie QBs rarely have great rookie campaigns.

If the Giants draft a top QB this year Eli still starts. If the Giants look like they're going nowhere then and only then do they play the rookie QB (just like Warner / Eli in 2004.)


Have you watched Eli play this year? His skills arent going to improve.

Prescott and Watson seemed to be fine the past two years.
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