There was a directive given several weeks back by co-owner John Mara to start looking closely at the top college quarterbacks, multiple sources told ESPN. This occurred around the time it became apparent that the Giants’ season was headed nowhere, in part, because wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. would be out with a broken ankle.
Vice president of player evaluation Marc Ross, who runs the Giants’ draft, went personally to scout UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen in recent weeks, sources said. Rosen is among the nation’s top quarterback prospects.
Rosen (5), USC’s Sam Darnold (1) and Wyoming’s Josh Allen (6) are the quarterbacks in Todd McShay’s most recent Top 32 draft prospects. Louisville’s Lamar Jackson and Oklahoma’s Baker Mayfield, with a surge in recent weeks, are also highly regarded by scouts.
how much input will the new GM and Coach have on the draft...?
No matter who is selected for either position, I believe the strategy moving forward is to put Eli into the "Kurt Warner 2004" role. Eli mentors his replacement next season. The only difference is I don't believe it's smart to just make the new QB the starter (as Eli was) after a half the season. The transition should be gradual and (hopefully) the season ends with a transfer of duties and good feelings all around. Eli should be showered with a rousing farewell and appreciation for his many contributions to the franchise.
best case scenario, if the cap can be managed, is Eli is the QB in 2018 and he continues to mentor Webb and the new QB. Come 2019, you hand the reigns to the winner of that battle (think Dave Brown vs. Kent Graham....but with actual good QBs). Giants can then have 2 good, young QBs go forward. With the potential of trading one of them down the (more likely Webb) for 2nd rounder or better. That was the old Jacksonville and Philly plan back in the 1990s and early 2000s.
how much input will the new GM and Coach have on the draft...?
No matter who is selected for either position, I believe the strategy moving forward is to put Eli into the "Kurt Warner 2004" role. Eli mentors his replacement next season. The only difference is I don't believe it's smart to just make the new QB the starter (as Eli was) after a half the season. The transition should be gradual and (hopefully) the season ends with a transfer of duties and good feelings all around. Eli should be showered with a rousing farewell and appreciation for his many contributions to the franchise.
It was easier with Warner because he had no history with the Giants. Harder with Manning as he is the guy who holds the franchises records and is in top 10 in NFL QB stats of all-time.. That gets to be a bit more cloudy than the Warner issue.
best case scenario, if the cap can be managed, is Eli is the QB in 2018 and he continues to mentor Webb and the new QB. Come 2019, you hand the reigns to the winner of that battle (think Dave Brown vs. Kent Graham....but with actual good QBs). Giants can then have 2 good, young QBs go forward. With the potential of trading one of them down the (more likely Webb) for 2nd rounder or better. That was the old Jacksonville and Philly plan back in the 1990s and early 2000s.
best case scenario, if the cap can be managed, is Eli is the QB in 2018 and he continues to mentor Webb and the new QB. Come 2019, you hand the reigns to the winner of that battle (think Dave Brown vs. Kent Graham....but with actual good QBs). Giants can then have 2 good, young QBs go forward. With the potential of trading one of them down the (more likely Webb) for 2nd rounder or better. That was the old Jacksonville and Philly plan back in the 1990s and early 2000s.
You start the rookie. Eli is only going to be more washed up next year.
best case scenario, if the cap can be managed, is Eli is the QB in 2018 and he continues to mentor Webb and the new QB. Come 2019, you hand the reigns to the winner of that battle (think Dave Brown vs. Kent Graham....but with actual good QBs). Giants can then have 2 good, young QBs go forward. With the potential of trading one of them down the (more likely Webb) for 2nd rounder or better. That was the old Jacksonville and Philly plan back in the 1990s and early 2000s.
best case scenario, if the cap can be managed, is Eli is the QB in 2018 and he continues to mentor Webb and the new QB. Come 2019, you hand the reigns to the winner of that battle (think Dave Brown vs. Kent Graham....but with actual good QBs). Giants can then have 2 good, young QBs go forward. With the potential of trading one of them down the (more likely Webb) for 2nd rounder or better. That was the old Jacksonville and Philly plan back in the 1990s and early 2000s.
Exactly. Assuming they love one of the qbs and he is there at the Giants pick this Is the only plan. Webb, draft pick and Eli works just fine for me.
...they had to be to "told" (directed) to start looking at QBs. Hopefully these folks who were directed to do this...will also be the same folks directed to leave the building the day after the last game of the season.
1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?
1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?
Only BBI knows the Giants need a QB, didn’t you know
don't trust Reese and Ross to make the correct decision. Taking a QB is fine, even with Webb. Take the BPA. I just don't want them making that pick, or any other.
1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?
The level of stupidity on here is incredible sometimes. And I love how everyone knew we were drafting Engram last year. Or Apple the year before.
1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?
The level of stupidity on here is incredible sometimes. And I love how everyone knew we were drafting Engram last year. Or Apple the year before.
It is common knowledge that in various drafts teams knew what our plans were.
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1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?
The level of stupidity on here is incredible sometimes. And I love how everyone knew we were drafting Engram last year. Or Apple the year before.
It is common knowledge that in various drafts teams knew what our plans were.
Hopefully the next FO doesn't telegraph their first rounders like this incompetent group has done as of late.
1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?
The level of stupidity on here is incredible sometimes. And I love how everyone knew we were drafting Engram last year. Or Apple the year before.
It is common knowledge that in various drafts teams knew what our plans were.
Hopefully the next FO doesn't telegraph their first rounders like this incompetent group has done as of late.
have they? you knew they were going to draft flowers, beckham or apple?
Because the Titans traded up above the Giants and took Conklin, people think the Giants tipped their hand pre-draft because it was reported they liked him.
It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Yes, teams trade up if they like a player and think a team above them could take them. That's why teams trade up all the time.
As much as I think Darnold should go back to school as he really needs to work on his decision making, the Giants are the perfect situation for him. It would allow him to sit for at least a year and work on the finer aspects of his game (which is his weakness). Darnold has the best upside of the top QBs, but right now I think Rosen is the better player.
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the giants could be leaking their interest hoping darnold is intrigued and comes out
Why would he be intrigued at coming to this shit storm?
Same reason Eli wanted to come here over SD?
Also coming to a team with a top 3 WR and what's looking like a top 5 receiving TE plus some potential defensively. Far better situation than is typical for teams picking top 5.
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1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?
The level of stupidity on here is incredible sometimes. And I love how everyone knew we were drafting Engram last year. Or Apple the year before.
It is common knowledge that in various drafts teams knew what our plans were.
Common knowledge huh? Specific to the Giants only? Christ.
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1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?
The level of stupidity on here is incredible sometimes. And I love how everyone knew we were drafting Engram last year. Or Apple the year before.
It is common knowledge that in various drafts teams knew what our plans were.
Hopefully the next FO doesn't telegraph their first rounders like this incompetent group has done as of late.
have they? you knew they were going to draft flowers, beckham or apple?
Teams knew they had the hots for Taylor Lewan, Taylor Decker, Leonard Floyd, etc and traded in front of them to get them.
To get players they like and are willing to give up the draft picks to do so.
To make the correlation between the Giants tipping their hand and letting teams move up above them is just absurd.
Teams trade up and down in every round.
Giants traded up in 2002 for Jeremy Shockey for two reasons. One, they wanted him. And two, they probably thought the team picking ahead of them would take him.
This idea that the Giants are telling people who they're picking and then teams are jumping them makes no sense at all.
To get players they like and are willing to give up the draft picks to do so.
To make the correlation between the Giants tipping their hand and letting teams move up above them is just absurd.
Teams trade up and down in every round.
Giants traded up in 2002 for Jeremy Shockey for two reasons. One, they wanted him. And two, they probably thought the team picking ahead of them would take him.
This idea that the Giants are telling people who they're picking and then teams are jumping them makes no sense at all.
I get it: some here will defend the organization to the death. But, last year for example, every beat writer and even Chris fucking Canty on the radio said Reese got out foxed by telegraphing his admiration for Floyd and Decker so much in draft season that he got traded up in front of by Chicago and Detroit for those 2 and had to settle for Eli Apple.
that the Giants are tipping their hand consider the fact that it is obvious to everyone that the Giants need to find their next franchise QB.
As for Darnold I am very concerned about the season that he is having. I know that he is incredibly talented but I worry about how he will do playing in NY. He has to contend with the weather and the constant media scrutiny.
If they are confident that the reports about Rosen are false then he should be in strong play for their first pick. Ideally I would prefer a trade down where they could still take Mayfield.
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1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?
The level of stupidity on here is incredible sometimes. And I love how everyone knew we were drafting Engram last year. Or Apple the year before.
It is common knowledge that in various drafts teams knew what our plans were.
Hopefully the next FO doesn't telegraph their first rounders like this incompetent group has done as of late.
have they? you knew they were going to draft flowers, beckham or apple?
Teams knew they had the hots for Taylor Lewan, Taylor Decker, Leonard Floyd, etc and traded in front of them to get them.
According to the writers who tell you that? The ones who didn't have a clue the Giants were thinking about Engram or Apple.Or did you have personal conversations with the other team's GM?
To get players they like and are willing to give up the draft picks to do so.
To make the correlation between the Giants tipping their hand and letting teams move up above them is just absurd.
Teams trade up and down in every round.
Giants traded up in 2002 for Jeremy Shockey for two reasons. One, they wanted him. And two, they probably thought the team picking ahead of them would take him.
This idea that the Giants are telling people who they're picking and then teams are jumping them makes no sense at all.
I get it: some here will defend the organization to the death. But, last year for example, every beat writer and even Chris fucking Canty on the radio said Reese got out foxed by telegraphing his admiration for Floyd and Decker so much in draft season that he got traded up in front of by Chicago and Detroit for those 2 and had to settle for Eli Apple.
Sounds more like Chris Canty's opinion than fact. Floyd and Conklin went before Apple. Decker was available to the Giants but he went 16th to the Lions.
I don't think the Giants settled for Apple. When you pick 10th, there are going to be 9 players taken before your pick and I'm sure every year, the Giants liked a guy taken before them more than the guy they took.
If you want to call it defending the Giants front office, so be it. I think it's just a ridiculous conclusion to come to on Canty and others parts.
Just read that the Giants are researching OL players and Â
To get players they like and are willing to give up the draft picks to do so.
To make the correlation between the Giants tipping their hand and letting teams move up above them is just absurd.
Teams trade up and down in every round.
Giants traded up in 2002 for Jeremy Shockey for two reasons. One, they wanted him. And two, they probably thought the team picking ahead of them would take him.
This idea that the Giants are telling people who they're picking and then teams are jumping them makes no sense at all.
I get it: some here will defend the organization to the death. But, last year for example, every beat writer and even Chris fucking Canty on the radio said Reese got out foxed by telegraphing his admiration for Floyd and Decker so much in draft season that he got traded up in front of by Chicago and Detroit for those 2 and had to settle for Eli Apple.
Was Conklin, not Decker, and Tennessee, not Detroit.
But the fact that Floyd and Conklin went the 2 picks prior to Apple via trade up, cements the notion that teams knew Reese's intentions.
You have to love that it's stated as fact that the Giants Â
tipped their hand - and yet, not a single factual statement to support it.
What really happened - players went in draft slots commensurate to where they were expected to be drafted in mock drafts leading up to it. Teams leapfrogged the Giants because they knew the Giants were likely takers - not because of some sinister leak, but because of obvious holes on the roster and the plain as the nose on your face approach of drafting for a combo of need and value.
So when the player basic mock drafts had evaluated as the #11 overall player in the draft ends up going, uh, 11th overall, to a team needing an OT, a few picks before the Giants - since the Giants had a need at OT, it very obviously means there was a leak.
Don't quit your day jobs.
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You guys spout conjecture and pretend it is fact.
What you don't seem to grasp is that your statement based on your "knowledge" is pure conjecture. You don't know what player they wanted. You don't. Let that sink in. You DON'T KNOW.
Just because some dumbfuck beat writer tweets they are interested in a player doesn't mean it is a fact that he is their first choice.
It could mean that he is one of many players they like. It could be a false lead. It could be bullshit.
At any rate any team would be foolish not to suspect they liked and needed Conklin. The Titans traded up to get him. It happens.
What you schmucks can't understand is that even if the interest in Conklin wasn't reported the Titans would have likely felt we were a huge threat to pick him and made that move.
Also, any team has contingency plans in place. They have this thing called a "draft board", and if the 1st player they want is gone they pick a different guy. It's not like when Conklin was gone they had no plan in place and picked out of a fucking hat.
This entire argument is meaningless and asinine but some posters keep repeating it even after several of us explain to you that it is foolish.
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Teams knew they had the hots for Taylor Lewan, Taylor Decker, Leonard Floyd, etc and traded in front of them to get them.
You guys spout conjecture and pretend it is fact.
What you don't seem to grasp is that your statement based on your "knowledge" is pure conjecture. You don't know what player they wanted. You don't. Let that sink in. You DON'T KNOW.
Just because some dumbfuck beat writer tweets they are interested in a player doesn't mean it is a fact that he is their first choice.
It could mean that he is one of many players they like. It could be a false lead. It could be bullshit.
At any rate any team would be foolish not to suspect they liked and needed Conklin. The Titans traded up to get him. It happens.
What you schmucks can't understand is that even if the interest in Conklin wasn't reported the Titans would have likely felt we were a huge threat to pick him and made that move.
Also, any team has contingency plans in place. They have this thing called a "draft board", and if the 1st player they want is gone they pick a different guy. It's not like when Conklin was gone they had no plan in place and picked out of a fucking hat.
This entire argument is meaningless and asinine but some posters keep repeating it even after several of us explain to you that it is foolish. [/quote]
No it's not foolish at all. If Reese and his staff were competent. perhaps I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But he sucks the cak, so I'm going to believe the folks who get paid to follow and report on my team as opposed to the " always sunny blue sky and rainbow" crew on BBI.
Vice president of player evaluation Marc Ross, who runs the Giants’ draft, went personally to scout UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen in recent weeks, sources said. Rosen is among the nation’s top quarterback prospects.
Rosen (5), USC’s Sam Darnold (1) and Wyoming’s Josh Allen (6) are the quarterbacks in Todd McShay’s most recent Top 32 draft prospects. Louisville’s Lamar Jackson and Oklahoma’s Baker Mayfield, with a surge in recent weeks, are also highly regarded by scouts.
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No matter who is selected for either position, I believe the strategy moving forward is to put Eli into the "Kurt Warner 2004" role. Eli mentors his replacement next season. The only difference is I don't believe it's smart to just make the new QB the starter (as Eli was) after a half the season. The transition should be gradual and (hopefully) the season ends with a transfer of duties and good feelings all around. Eli should be showered with a rousing farewell and appreciation for his many contributions to the franchise.
Darnold
No matter who is selected for either position, I believe the strategy moving forward is to put Eli into the "Kurt Warner 2004" role. Eli mentors his replacement next season. The only difference is I don't believe it's smart to just make the new QB the starter (as Eli was) after a half the season. The transition should be gradual and (hopefully) the season ends with a transfer of duties and good feelings all around. Eli should be showered with a rousing farewell and appreciation for his many contributions to the franchise.
It was easier with Warner because he had no history with the Giants. Harder with Manning as he is the guy who holds the franchises records and is in top 10 in NFL QB stats of all-time.. That gets to be a bit more cloudy than the Warner issue.
Cowboys did it too with Aikman and Walsh.
You start the rookie. Eli is only going to be more washed up next year.
This HAS to be the plan. HAS TO BE.
Exactly. Assuming they love one of the qbs and he is there at the Giants pick this Is the only plan. Webb, draft pick and Eli works just fine for me.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?
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1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?
Only BBI knows the Giants need a QB, didn’t you know
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1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?
The level of stupidity on here is incredible sometimes. And I love how everyone knew we were drafting Engram last year. Or Apple the year before.
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1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?
The level of stupidity on here is incredible sometimes. And I love how everyone knew we were drafting Engram last year. Or Apple the year before.
It is common knowledge that in various drafts teams knew what our plans were.
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1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?
The level of stupidity on here is incredible sometimes. And I love how everyone knew we were drafting Engram last year. Or Apple the year before.
It is common knowledge that in various drafts teams knew what our plans were.
Hopefully the next FO doesn't telegraph their first rounders like this incompetent group has done as of late.
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1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?
The level of stupidity on here is incredible sometimes. And I love how everyone knew we were drafting Engram last year. Or Apple the year before.
It is common knowledge that in various drafts teams knew what our plans were.
Hopefully the next FO doesn't telegraph their first rounders like this incompetent group has done as of late.
have they? you knew they were going to draft flowers, beckham or apple?
Why would he be intrigued at coming to this shit storm?
It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Yes, teams trade up if they like a player and think a team above them could take them. That's why teams trade up all the time.
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Why would he be intrigued at coming to this shit storm?
Same reason Eli wanted to come here over SD?
Also coming to a team with a top 3 WR and what's looking like a top 5 receiving TE plus some potential defensively. Far better situation than is typical for teams picking top 5.
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1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?
The level of stupidity on here is incredible sometimes. And I love how everyone knew we were drafting Engram last year. Or Apple the year before.
It is common knowledge that in various drafts teams knew what our plans were.
Common knowledge huh? Specific to the Giants only? Christ.
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Why would he be intrigued at coming to this shit storm?
Pretty dumb take and someone who doesn’t have the ability to see the bigger picture regarding organizational stability.
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1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?
The level of stupidity on here is incredible sometimes. And I love how everyone knew we were drafting Engram last year. Or Apple the year before.
It is common knowledge that in various drafts teams knew what our plans were.
Hopefully the next FO doesn't telegraph their first rounders like this incompetent group has done as of late.
have they? you knew they were going to draft flowers, beckham or apple?
Teams knew they had the hots for Taylor Lewan, Taylor Decker, Leonard Floyd, etc and traded in front of them to get them.
To make the correlation between the Giants tipping their hand and letting teams move up above them is just absurd.
Teams trade up and down in every round.
Giants traded up in 2002 for Jeremy Shockey for two reasons. One, they wanted him. And two, they probably thought the team picking ahead of them would take him.
This idea that the Giants are telling people who they're picking and then teams are jumping them makes no sense at all.
To make the correlation between the Giants tipping their hand and letting teams move up above them is just absurd.
Teams trade up and down in every round.
Giants traded up in 2002 for Jeremy Shockey for two reasons. One, they wanted him. And two, they probably thought the team picking ahead of them would take him.
This idea that the Giants are telling people who they're picking and then teams are jumping them makes no sense at all.
I get it: some here will defend the organization to the death. But, last year for example, every beat writer and even Chris fucking Canty on the radio said Reese got out foxed by telegraphing his admiration for Floyd and Decker so much in draft season that he got traded up in front of by Chicago and Detroit for those 2 and had to settle for Eli Apple.
As for Darnold I am very concerned about the season that he is having. I know that he is incredibly talented but I worry about how he will do playing in NY. He has to contend with the weather and the constant media scrutiny.
If they are confident that the reports about Rosen are false then he should be in strong play for their first pick. Ideally I would prefer a trade down where they could still take Mayfield.
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1. The Giants are going to look closely at every player in the top few dozen and even more closely at those ranked in the top 12 because they will be picking in that group. So Ranaan's report is not news.
2. It would be typical of Reese (if he truly does have SERIOUS interest in Darnold) to let that out before the draft. I think every team in the league knew what the Giants wanted and in some instances traded up in front of them and snatched the player.
Yeah, because with a 36 going on 37 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract it should be top secret news that the Giants are scouting QBs. Really?
The level of stupidity on here is incredible sometimes. And I love how everyone knew we were drafting Engram last year. Or Apple the year before.
It is common knowledge that in various drafts teams knew what our plans were.
Hopefully the next FO doesn't telegraph their first rounders like this incompetent group has done as of late.
have they? you knew they were going to draft flowers, beckham or apple?
Teams knew they had the hots for Taylor Lewan, Taylor Decker, Leonard Floyd, etc and traded in front of them to get them.
According to the writers who tell you that? The ones who didn't have a clue the Giants were thinking about Engram or Apple.Or did you have personal conversations with the other team's GM?
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To get players they like and are willing to give up the draft picks to do so.
To make the correlation between the Giants tipping their hand and letting teams move up above them is just absurd.
Teams trade up and down in every round.
Giants traded up in 2002 for Jeremy Shockey for two reasons. One, they wanted him. And two, they probably thought the team picking ahead of them would take him.
This idea that the Giants are telling people who they're picking and then teams are jumping them makes no sense at all.
I get it: some here will defend the organization to the death. But, last year for example, every beat writer and even Chris fucking Canty on the radio said Reese got out foxed by telegraphing his admiration for Floyd and Decker so much in draft season that he got traded up in front of by Chicago and Detroit for those 2 and had to settle for Eli Apple.
Sounds more like Chris Canty's opinion than fact. Floyd and Conklin went before Apple. Decker was available to the Giants but he went 16th to the Lions.
I don't think the Giants settled for Apple. When you pick 10th, there are going to be 9 players taken before your pick and I'm sure every year, the Giants liked a guy taken before them more than the guy they took.
If you want to call it defending the Giants front office, so be it. I think it's just a ridiculous conclusion to come to on Canty and others parts.
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To get players they like and are willing to give up the draft picks to do so.
To make the correlation between the Giants tipping their hand and letting teams move up above them is just absurd.
Teams trade up and down in every round.
Giants traded up in 2002 for Jeremy Shockey for two reasons. One, they wanted him. And two, they probably thought the team picking ahead of them would take him.
This idea that the Giants are telling people who they're picking and then teams are jumping them makes no sense at all.
I get it: some here will defend the organization to the death. But, last year for example, every beat writer and even Chris fucking Canty on the radio said Reese got out foxed by telegraphing his admiration for Floyd and Decker so much in draft season that he got traded up in front of by Chicago and Detroit for those 2 and had to settle for Eli Apple.
Was Conklin, not Decker, and Tennessee, not Detroit.
But the fact that Floyd and Conklin went the 2 picks prior to Apple via trade up, cements the notion that teams knew Reese's intentions.
What really happened - players went in draft slots commensurate to where they were expected to be drafted in mock drafts leading up to it. Teams leapfrogged the Giants because they knew the Giants were likely takers - not because of some sinister leak, but because of obvious holes on the roster and the plain as the nose on your face approach of drafting for a combo of need and value.
So when the player basic mock drafts had evaluated as the #11 overall player in the draft ends up going, uh, 11th overall, to a team needing an OT, a few picks before the Giants - since the Giants had a need at OT, it very obviously means there was a leak.
Don't quit your day jobs.
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Teams knew they had the hots for Taylor Lewan, Taylor Decker, Leonard Floyd, etc and traded in front of them to get them. [/quote]
You guys spout conjecture and pretend it is fact.
What you don't seem to grasp is that your statement based on your "knowledge" is pure conjecture. You don't know what player they wanted. You don't. Let that sink in. You DON'T KNOW.
Just because some dumbfuck beat writer tweets they are interested in a player doesn't mean it is a fact that he is their first choice.
It could mean that he is one of many players they like. It could be a false lead. It could be bullshit.
At any rate any team would be foolish not to suspect they liked and needed Conklin. The Titans traded up to get him. It happens.
What you schmucks can't understand is that even if the interest in Conklin wasn't reported the Titans would have likely felt we were a huge threat to pick him and made that move.
Also, any team has contingency plans in place. They have this thing called a "draft board", and if the 1st player they want is gone they pick a different guy. It's not like when Conklin was gone they had no plan in place and picked out of a fucking hat.
This entire argument is meaningless and asinine but some posters keep repeating it even after several of us explain to you that it is foolish.
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Teams knew they had the hots for Taylor Lewan, Taylor Decker, Leonard Floyd, etc and traded in front of them to get them.
You guys spout conjecture and pretend it is fact.
What you don't seem to grasp is that your statement based on your "knowledge" is pure conjecture. You don't know what player they wanted. You don't. Let that sink in. You DON'T KNOW.
Just because some dumbfuck beat writer tweets they are interested in a player doesn't mean it is a fact that he is their first choice.
It could mean that he is one of many players they like. It could be a false lead. It could be bullshit.
At any rate any team would be foolish not to suspect they liked and needed Conklin. The Titans traded up to get him. It happens.
What you schmucks can't understand is that even if the interest in Conklin wasn't reported the Titans would have likely felt we were a huge threat to pick him and made that move.
Also, any team has contingency plans in place. They have this thing called a "draft board", and if the 1st player they want is gone they pick a different guy. It's not like when Conklin was gone they had no plan in place and picked out of a fucking hat.
This entire argument is meaningless and asinine but some posters keep repeating it even after several of us explain to you that it is foolish. [/quote]
No it's not foolish at all. If Reese and his staff were competent. perhaps I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But he sucks the cak, so I'm going to believe the folks who get paid to follow and report on my team as opposed to the " always sunny blue sky and rainbow" crew on BBI.
Busboy logic at it's finest.
Busboy logic at it's finest.
Busboy?
Almost as laughable as your reputation here.
Right after you shove a splintered broomstick up your ass.