Ian Begley
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The Knicks have won back-to-back games when trailing by double digits entering the fourth quarter for the first time in the shot-clock era (since 1954-55), per Elias.
KP drops 28 points with 5 boards and 3 blocks and suddenly that's "meh" for him (stat line wise, and yet a franchise player level clutch showing from KP. The Knicks have been so bad while he was here he hasn't really had a chance to fhis "clutch" muscles too often. KP KP KP!. I don't actually expect him to win MVP this season but incredible how far he's come since last year where the perception was he didn't take a major step forward like many of us expected.
- Frank 3 points, 3 rebounds, 8 assists (wasn't Frank's best game and yet still contributed)
-KOQ 12 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 2 blocks (keep KOQ!!)
-THjr 19 and 5
-Lance Thomas 10 and 5, looked like the solid player we remember when he first burst on the scene for us
-Kaminsky was invisible
-Dotson, Beasley, Willy, Sessions DNPCD, could Beasley be the one to go?
-Monk 8/17 21, 2 and 3
Around the league-
GF...16-21 (that alone is absurd) 40 points, 9 boards, 3 assists, 4 blocks
Middleton 20 points, 11 assists, 7 boards, 3 steals (3 point shooting is down so far but guy is having a big time season)
Lebron 30, 8, 9 and 3 (ho hum, hope he's okay playing Pippen to KP's Jordan next year)
Boogie 32, 13 and 6
Holiday is so throughly average. I thank my lucky stars we weren't the ones to give him 127 million
DSJ (huge game) 22 points 8 rebounds, 8 assists (9-22), +15
Markkanen 12, 2 rebounds
Jokic 41, 12 and 5 (beast)
Simmons 16, 13, and 6, 3 steals, 3 blocks... star
Fox 5-10 10 points, 8 assists
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Melo's PER according to ESPN is 16.98, and McDermott's is not far behind at 14.97. Only McDermott's will get better, and Melo simply get older. Plus, McDermott is a natural 3, and Melo is a tweener with disadvantages at both the 3 and 4. Can't guard 3's, and is a rebounding hindrance at the 4--and old.
I like McDermott but let's not get crazy. He's not much of a rebounder or passer - and he rarely gets to the line. I think he might get better, but there are some very real weaknesses in his game.
Breaking news: Melo is neither a good rebounder, nor willing passer or defender, and subpar effort and athleticism makes him a no-show in the transition game. NYK well just to unload him, but to get two productive players + a pick was extraordinary.
your assessment of both Melo and the trade is pretty fucking terrible.
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Melo's PER according to ESPN is 16.98, and McDermott's is not far behind at 14.97. Only McDermott's will get better, and Melo simply get older. Plus, McDermott is a natural 3, and Melo is a tweener with disadvantages at both the 3 and 4. Can't guard 3's, and is a rebounding hindrance at the 4--and old.
I like McDermott but let's not get crazy. He's not much of a rebounder or passer - and he rarely gets to the line. I think he might get better, but there are some very real weaknesses in his game.
Breaking news: Melo is neither a good rebounder, nor willing passer or defender, and subpar effort and athleticism makes him a no-show in the transition game. NYK well just to unload him, but to get two productive players + a pick was extraordinary.
I was watching some of the OKC game last night, what a contrast to this years Knick team. Maybe they get more used to each other end begin to gel, but they looked awful. Mello is a real coach killer.
It is really amazing how much of a better clutch shooter KP is than Melo ever was for the Knicks. I never could stand Reggie Miller because of how he so consistently would kill the Knicks with those clutch shots nearing the end of games. KP has that in him plus everything else he brings to the game.
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Melo's PER according to ESPN is 16.98, and McDermott's is not far behind at 14.97. Only McDermott's will get better, and Melo simply get older. Plus, McDermott is a natural 3, and Melo is a tweener with disadvantages at both the 3 and 4. Can't guard 3's, and is a rebounding hindrance at the 4--and old.
I like McDermott but let's not get crazy. He's not much of a rebounder or passer - and he rarely gets to the line. I think he might get better, but there are some very real weaknesses in his game.
Breaking news: Melo is neither a good rebounder, nor willing passer or defender, and subpar effort and athleticism makes him a no-show in the transition game. NYK well just to unload him, but to get two productive players + a pick was extraordinary.
your assessment of both Melo and the trade is pretty fucking terrible.
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Melo is a willing passer, huh? Capable defender? Athletic enough to do anything in transition other than be a trail shooter? McDermott and Kanter haven't been productive? Getting that package as opposed to Ryan Anderson wasn't great? Its a pure coincidence that the second that ISO crap is out the door, others thrive?
Unless you know nothing about the sport, the answer is a definitive NO to all of the above.
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Melo's PER according to ESPN is 16.98, and McDermott's is not far behind at 14.97. Only McDermott's will get better, and Melo simply get older. Plus, McDermott is a natural 3, and Melo is a tweener with disadvantages at both the 3 and 4. Can't guard 3's, and is a rebounding hindrance at the 4--and old.
I like McDermott but let's not get crazy. He's not much of a rebounder or passer - and he rarely gets to the line. I think he might get better, but there are some very real weaknesses in his game.
Breaking news: Melo is neither a good rebounder, nor willing passer or defender, and subpar effort and athleticism makes him a no-show in the transition game. NYK well just to unload him, but to get two productive players + a pick was extraordinary.
your assessment of both Melo and the trade is pretty fucking terrible.
Really:
Melo is a willing passer, huh? Capable defender? Athletic enough to do anything in transition other than be a trail shooter? McDermott and Kanter haven't been productive? Getting that package as opposed to Ryan Anderson wasn't great? Its a pure coincidence that the second that ISO crap is out the door, others thrive?
Unless you know nothing about the sport, the answer is a definitive NO to all of the above.
sorry, but anyone who knows even a tiny bit about the sport wouldn't say something as dumb as "Melo is neither a good rebounder". Can't take your bullshit seriously after that. As for the Melo trade...just because the return was something other then Ryan Anderson doesn't make it "great". Once again the folks around here set the bar for this front office pretty damn low.
Nothing against Ewing, but he was also 23 his rookie season. KP is still only 22.
He's an isolation player who is adequate in terms of scoring efficiency. But the multitude of weaknesses in his game gives any of his teams a challenge to make up for all his deficiencies.
Good riddance.
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was that Bernard was hurt, so he was the number one option from the go. He was also older than KP. KP was the second or third option till this year.
Nothing against Ewing, but he was also 23 his rookie season. KP is still only 22.
Not to mention Patrick played 30-35 minutes a night for 4 years in a league and level of play in the Big East that was extraordinary at that time. That was not the NCAA of today. You had a level of ball with guys staying at least 3 years and a group of legendary coaches that dwarfs anything we are seeing right now as a prep league. The Euro league KP played in is very good, but he only played 15 minutes or so a night.
Keep this roster as intact as possible and get rid of Noah.
Revisit ideas next year.
Let coach coach.
Oddly enough it may have been Carmelo's 10 year old son who had more to do with his accepting OKC than anyone.
I said, Why? He said, I just like you out there. I think its better for you. Im like, All right, son. Whatever. But in my mind, I was like, Damn, maybe he is saying something. The next day I get the call, There might be something with OKC. I said, Take it. If theyre serious about pulling the trigger and the Knicks want to do it, do it. Then my son comes back and says, Dad, just tell them you want to go to OKC.
"As soon as he said that he left and went to [basketball] practice, and then the trade happened, Melo said. I dont know what to make from that. Im still trying to figure that out. Obviously, he knows what he knows. He is very smart about the game of basketball now.
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Oddly enough it may have been Carmelo's 10 year old son who had more to do with his accepting OKC than anyone.
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The night before the trade went down, OKC wasnt even in the picture, Anthony said. I had already talked to my agent and my team and said, Lets get ready to go back to New York My son comes in the room and says, Youre going to training camp Monday? I said, Yeah, thats good for you. Im not going away from the family. He said, I wish you would go to OKC. Can you just tell them you want to go to OKC? Out the blue."
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Melo's son is a Knicks fan who reads BBI?
Seriously, that's a crazy story - had not heard it.
Keep this roster as intact as possible and get rid of Noah.
Revisit ideas next year.
Let coach coach.
Nobody is taking Noah. You keep saying this. It's not an option otherwise potential Noah trades would fill up 90% of BBI's Knicks threads.
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The Knicks say Kristaps Porzingis is questionable for tonight's game against Orlando with a sprained left ankle and contused right elbow.
he was questionable yesterday also, they have a couple of days off after tonight, can rest then
I am thrilled at the current run but is it sub stainable ?
I would be thrilled with .500 and the 8th seed.
I am thrilled at the current run but is it sub stainable ?
I would be thrilled with .500 and the 8th seed.
Let's just have a fun season without expectations, IMO. KP averaging 30 a game is probably not sustainable over the remaining 72 games. It's no way to build a contender, but as trashy as this conference is, they should make the playoffs.
Shelvin Mack... the backup 1 is probably going to be out of position Terrence Ross or Fourier
He looks awkward shooting the free throws let alone getting to the free throw line. He will work on that.
He at least went for it once last night but ended up getting the charge do to his inexperience with doing just that. He will get there.
He at least went for it once last night but ended up getting the charge do to his inexperience with doing just that. He will get there.
It's not just his age. It's also his ball handling. As I noted above he took 29 total free throws last season in France and the competition was flat out garbage (#7 league in the world per Fran).
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First off, all this talk of pending FAs coming here is more or less a pipe dream even if the KNicks become the garden of eden from a perception stand point. How often does that rare special younger player avail himself? Rarely. And the KNicks are developing their own blend of special players AND more often than not, if a team has a chance to add a great player that wants to come the team finds a way to make the salary structure work. Honestly, I think we should worry about that player if and when. Enough of this moving heaven and earth to mold the cap into a more pliable construct.
Don't re-sign anyone you don't want. Don't overpay anyone that isn't worth the overpay. If you like Kanter, offer him a deal we're good with. If he leaves, fine, Same with KOQ.
Don't worry about 2019. Just let this team marinate and develop. We don't have to sign anyone next summer and when Noah and Lee come off the Knicks will be in a position to replace them with younger better players. Works for me.
When I compare "value" on someone like McDermott, I am looking at current contributional capacity--which I expect to get better as the team gets used to him and vice versa-- age, and cost. Cost: $2.5 million versus $24.6 million. Melo at this point in his career is a spectacular overpay, which means negative net worth. Good to get Kantor, McDermott and the 35th pick or so for a player with negative net worth.
First off, all this talk of pending FAs coming here is more or less a pipe dream even if the KNicks become the garden of eden from a perception stand point. How often does that rare special younger player avail himself? Rarely. And the KNicks are developing their own blend of special players AND more often than not, if a team has a chance to add a great player that wants to come the team finds a way to make the salary structure work. Honestly, I think we should worry about that player if and when. Enough of this moving heaven and earth to mold the cap into a more pliable construct.
Don't re-sign anyone you don't want. Don't overpay anyone that isn't worth the overpay. If you like Kanter, offer him a deal we're good with. If he leaves, fine, Same with KOQ.
Don't worry about 2019. Just let this team marinate and develop. We don't have to sign anyone next summer and when Noah and Lee come off the Knicks will be in a position to replace them with younger better players. Works for me.
But there IS value to moving a guy like Lee. It opens up PT to see what guys like McDermott (extended role) and Dotson (role and experience) can do. I don't think people realize how mediocre Courtney Lee is. In my view seeing what McDermott/Dotson can do has legit value. I'd deal lee for a late first or even a recent draftee who needs a new team.
Giannis is #1 56.1
KP is 7th 44.9
2nd best Knick is Kanter 29.2 (50th in the NBA)
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#Cavs Derrick Rose now has eight more turnovers (19) than assists (11) on the season
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That article says Bills can't trade him until Jan 15th so he and Portis probably work it out by then.
says if he is really hurt he would miss the next 2 games..
maybe just maybe knicks see a chance to give him 3 days off
Can't wait....