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Who could Giants target if they fire Ben McAdoo? (Vacchiano)

Jim Bob Cooter : 11/8/2017 12:12 pm
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Actually, John Mara and Steve Tisch probably already have a list. Mara has said in the past that he's always eyeing potential head coaching candidates, just in case. And the new coach will be the owners' call, whether they decide to bring back GM Jerry Reese or not. That's just the way the Giants work.


Ralph's picks (in order): McDaniels, Mike Smith, Saban, Todd Haley, Frank Reich, David Shaw, Teryl Austin


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I wonder how John Fox isn't on that list  
jcn56 : 11/8/2017 1:03 pm : link
Maybe because he's still under contract in Chicago and not expected to go anywhere, but if he shakes loose I think he'd go quickly to the top of that list. Supposedly, Giants brass was always disappointed they didn't replace Fassel with Fox.

I would much rather the next coach be a defensive coach. The league has an offensive tilt, spend the money and picks on offensive players, fine, but make sure the guy in charge has full responsibility over making the D work.
RE: RE: RE: Not a bad list at all  
arcarsenal : 11/8/2017 1:03 pm : link
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In preferential order:

David Shaw - Big fan of his. Great leader, consistent, and flexible with his schemes. Highly doubt he is leaving Stanford for the NFL. If you haven't read Peter King's article on Shaw from 2013, I have linked it below. A must read.

Teryl Austin - Highly respected Defensive coordinator. Made the interview rounds last two offseasons. Could be his time.

Nick Saban - I hesitate to put him at #3, but his resume alone puts him high on the list. I don't see it happening. He won't leave Alabama without a big buyout, and won't return to the NFL unless he has a say in personnel. Considering he has never won anything at the NFL level as a HC, I can't see the Giants meeting his demands.

Mike Smith - Count me as someone who liked the idea of Smith prior to the McAdoo hire. In my opinion, Smith is unfairly criticized for the failure of the Falcons. His teams were always competitive. He had 5 winning seasons in 7 years. His failure was having a 1-4 playoff record. I'm shocked he has not had a second chance yet, especially considering he won 59% of his games.

Frank Reich - Nice to see the former Bill and NFL legend rebound with the Eagles (did I just say that) after McCoy's staff collapsed in San Diego. When Reich was the QB coach for the Charges, Rivers had some of his best years. Would be a nice addition from an offensive/QB coaching perspective, but does he have the ability to be a Head Coach?

Jeff McDaniels - I don't hold the time in Denver against him as much as others do. I thought his coaching was ok, but his performance selecting players is what sunk him. If he was our OC I might be comfortable promoting from within, but seems like too much of a risk. Who knows, he has a first class mind for offense, but can he be the Head Coach?

Todd Haley - Very much not interested.
Don't Be Fooled, The Future of Offense is Flexibility - ( New Window )



Excuse me, JOSH McDaniels



Frank Reich is an NFL legend????


He was on that day in January of '93!
RE: No interest in Smith or Haley  
2ndroundKO : 11/8/2017 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13682115 JonC said:
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rest of the list is interesting, but if only there was a stud out there.


JonC -- I always value your opinion. Why no to those two?
RE: RE: No interest in Smith or Haley  
JonC : 11/8/2017 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13682167 2ndroundKO said:
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rest of the list is interesting, but if only there was a stud out there.



JonC -- I always value your opinion. Why no to those two?


Didn't like the mental make up of their teams when in charge of the show, and they were very poor in-game managers, especially Haley.
RE: If they hire Mike Smith  
Breeze_94 : 11/8/2017 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13682060 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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I might just cry


Same here. Didn't like him on Hard Knocks and he hasn't exactly been great running the defense in Tampa Bay either (although they have had a lot of injuries).
McDaniels is the last guy I'd be interested in  
Greg from LI : 11/8/2017 1:17 pm : link
Haley's players have despised him wherever he goes.

Mike Smith might be interesting.
Mike Smith's winning % as a head coach is .589  
Go Terps : 11/8/2017 1:24 pm : link
For comparison's sake, Coughlin's is .531. In 8 years as HC Smith has two 13 win teams. Coughlin has 1 in 20.

The Giants could do a lot worse than Mike Smith.
I highly doubt Mcadoo will be fired  
micky : 11/8/2017 1:27 pm : link
just on the way Mara does things..non knee-jerk actions
I'll take Smith over McDaniels or Haley any day. I want  
Victor in CT : 11/8/2017 1:28 pm : link
Giants football. Not this candy ass shit they play now. Give me a defensive coach.
RE: Emil  
Emil : 11/8/2017 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13682135 JonC said:
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Mine only.


Gotcha, which still counts for quite a lot.
Mike Smith as HC with Kubiak as OC would be a good start  
Go Terps : 11/8/2017 1:29 pm : link
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RE: Mike Smith as HC with Kubiak as OC would be a good start  
UConn4523 : 11/8/2017 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13682202 Go Terps said:
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That's really the key. I can handle a vet at HC ONLY if we are getting some big brains at OC. We have to use our weapons better and it shouldn't be this difficult.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Not a bad list at all  
Emil : 11/8/2017 1:32 pm : link
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In preferential order:

David Shaw - Big fan of his. Great leader, consistent, and flexible with his schemes. Highly doubt he is leaving Stanford for the NFL. If you haven't read Peter King's article on Shaw from 2013, I have linked it below. A must read.

Teryl Austin - Highly respected Defensive coordinator. Made the interview rounds last two offseasons. Could be his time.

Nick Saban - I hesitate to put him at #3, but his resume alone puts him high on the list. I don't see it happening. He won't leave Alabama without a big buyout, and won't return to the NFL unless he has a say in personnel. Considering he has never won anything at the NFL level as a HC, I can't see the Giants meeting his demands.

Mike Smith - Count me as someone who liked the idea of Smith prior to the McAdoo hire. In my opinion, Smith is unfairly criticized for the failure of the Falcons. His teams were always competitive. He had 5 winning seasons in 7 years. His failure was having a 1-4 playoff record. I'm shocked he has not had a second chance yet, especially considering he won 59% of his games.

Frank Reich - Nice to see the former Bill and NFL legend rebound with the Eagles (did I just say that) after McCoy's staff collapsed in San Diego. When Reich was the QB coach for the Charges, Rivers had some of his best years. Would be a nice addition from an offensive/QB coaching perspective, but does he have the ability to be a Head Coach?

Jeff McDaniels - I don't hold the time in Denver against him as much as others do. I thought his coaching was ok, but his performance selecting players is what sunk him. If he was our OC I might be comfortable promoting from within, but seems like too much of a risk. Who knows, he has a first class mind for offense, but can he be the Head Coach?

Todd Haley - Very much not interested.
Don't Be Fooled, The Future of Offense is Flexibility - ( New Window )



Excuse me, JOSH McDaniels



Frank Reich is an NFL legend????



He was on that day in January of '93!


Yup, he is. Frank Reich led the biggest come from behind win in NFL history. Overcoming a 32 point deficit to beat the Houston Oilers. That day is an NFL Hall of Fame moment and it might be 100 years before it is equaled. Pats only had to overcome 25 points in the Super Bowl.
how about Chris Morgan Falcons OL coach who stayed on  
idiotsavant : 11/8/2017 1:33 pm : link
after shanny left.

Or Steelers, Titans, Oilers - Mike Munchak.

Two OL guys. Or both in some configuration, or as roll players or what have you.
Any of them please - just dump McHandley  
PatersonPlank : 11/8/2017 1:33 pm : link
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If McAdoo is fired, as he should be,  
Breeze_94 : 11/8/2017 1:33 pm : link
I think the Giants hire Mike Smith. Not the most inspiring hire, as I stated earlier. He is a similar hire to Coughlin though. A retread with a bunch of wins and playoff appearances on his resume. Plus, he was going to be the guy until the Giants decided to promote McAdoo to "save" him from going to Philly.

Josh McDaniels is the most intriguing candidate for me. It's a matter of whether or not he wants to leave his situation in New England and whether or not he learned from his mistakes in Denver.

Lastly, I remember hearing that the Giants had always liked Brian Kelly of ND. He has done a great job with that program so maybe he gets considered.
The thing about Brian Kelly  
Breeze_94 : 11/8/2017 1:35 pm : link
is maybe he brings his great OL coach at Notre Dame, Harry Hiestand, with him.
Falcons .com on Morgan  
idiotsavant : 11/8/2017 1:36 pm : link
''This past season, Morgan coached an offensive line that blocked for the NFL MVP, Matt Ryan. The offensive line was a major reason why the team averaged a league-high and franchise high 33.8 points per game. The Falcons broke the franchise record for most points scored in a season in Week 15, with the help of the offensive, when they scored 540 total points on the season, which tied them with the 2000 St. Louis Rams for the eighth most points scored in a season.
In 2016, the offensive line also helped block Ryan who threw for a career and franchise high 4,944 yards and 38 touchdowns. Ryan also had a career high 117.1 passer rating, which was the fifth best all-time passer rating. Morgan also helped coach center Alex Mack who was selected to his fourth Pro Bowl.
Morganís offensive line also helped pave the way for a rushing attack that racked up 1,928 yards on the season, which was fifth in the league in 2016. Under his guidance, the offensive line blocked for Devonta Freeman, who finished in the top 10 in rushing for the second year in a row, and made it to his second consecutive Pro Bowl.
During his first year, his offensive line helped produce the Falcons first 1,000 yard rusher since 2011, while giving up the eighth fewest sacks in the league last year. The offensive line also helped block for an offense that recorded 374.1 yards per game, which was seventh in the NFL.


Morgan spent the 2014 season as assistant offensive line coach for the Seattle Seahawks.

In 2014, Seattle used eight different starting combinations on the offensive line, including playoffs, and still led the NFL in rushing yards, recording a franchise-high 2,762 yards.

In addition to leading the League in rushing last season, the Seahawks offensive line also assisted in helping Seattle lead the NFL in explosive plays (135) and explosive running plays (61) while paving the way to Super Bowl XLIX.
Prior to arriving in Seattle, Morgan served as an assistant offensive line coach with the Washington Redskins (2011-13) and Oakland Raiders (2009-10). In 2012, Morgan helped direct a unit that rushed for a team-record 2,709 yards, marking the franchiseís first team rushing crown since 1933 and their clubs first NFC East title since 1999. Also during his time with the Redskins, tackle Trent Williams was selected to two consecutive Pro Bowls under Morganís guidance in 2012 and 2013.
In 2010, Oakland ranked 10th in the NFL in yards per game (356.6) and sixth in points per game (25.6). Prior to Oakland, Morgan spent the previous five seasons coaching at the high school level in his native Texas, serving as offensive line coach, special teams coordinator, offensive coordinator and assistant head coach at Westfield High School in Houston.
Morgan served as a graduate assistant and offensive line coach at the University of Idaho after two years as an assistant coach at Copperas Cove (Texas) High. He played offensive line at the University of Colorado from 1995-1999 and earned his masterís degree in educational leadership at Idaho.''
For all the bitching and moaning about accountability and throwing  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/8/2017 1:42 pm : link
people under the bus with McAdoo, there's no way Brian Kelly would be an improvement in either of those areas. He's thrown college kids under the bus on multiple occasions (almost leading to a team mutiny once) and has refused to admit glaring coaching mistakes.
Maybe Chris Morgan HC and an old retread former HC as OC  
idiotsavant : 11/8/2017 1:44 pm : link
like Norv Turner or somebody.

Maybe someone can speak to WTF happened to Norvs career, he was a good one.

We could use an old cruster as OC for once. A real NFL guy.

As long as they have current idea capacity.
profootball rumours indicates that falcs value morgan greatly  
idiotsavant : 11/8/2017 1:55 pm : link
''Shanahan, meanwhile, wonít be able to take any significant members of head coach Dan QuinnĎs staff with him to San Francisco. The Falcons will prevent him from pilfering the likes of assistant head coach/wide receivers coach Raheem Morris, running backs coach Bobby Turner and offensive line coach Chris Morgan, a source told Schultz. However, offensive assistants Mike McDaniel, Mike LaFleur and Matt LaFleur could end up with Shanahanís 49ers.''
Whoever it is  
ajr2456 : 11/8/2017 2:06 pm : link
Should hire Matt LaFleur to call plays.
RE: Not a bad list at all  
ajr2456 : 11/8/2017 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13682100 Emil said:
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In preferential order:

Nick Saban - I hesitate to put him at #3, but his resume alone puts him high on the list. I don't see it happening. He won't leave Alabama without a big buyout, and won't return to the NFL unless he has a say in personnel. Considering he has never won anything at the NFL level as a HC, I can't see the Giants meeting his demands.


He went 15-17 with Gus Ferrotte and Joey Harrington as his quarterbacks.
RE: RE: Not a bad list at all  
Emil : 11/8/2017 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13682264 ajr2456 said:
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In preferential order:

Nick Saban - I hesitate to put him at #3, but his resume alone puts him high on the list. I don't see it happening. He won't leave Alabama without a big buyout, and won't return to the NFL unless he has a say in personnel. Considering he has never won anything at the NFL level as a HC, I can't see the Giants meeting his demands.




He went 15-17 with Gus Ferrotte and Joey Harrington as his quarterbacks.


No playoff appearances, 9-7 in year 1, 6-10 in year 2, and bailed on Miami. You don't give that type of pro-resume GM authority. He still has to earn it.
RE: big fan of Seattles OC  
Jay in Toronto : 11/8/2017 2:12 pm : link
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Darrell Bevell and how he has been able to handle his offensive line struggles.

Also despite the committee at RB this team is 5-3

Might I add has developed Golden Tate Richard Locket Jermaine Kearse Doug Baldwin and now Paul Richardson


And I'd be willing to bet he was the reason they drafted Wilson in the third round.

Go Badgers!!!
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ajr2456 : 11/8/2017 2:18 pm : link
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In preferential order:

Nick Saban - I hesitate to put him at #3, but his resume alone puts him high on the list. I don't see it happening. He won't leave Alabama without a big buyout, and won't return to the NFL unless he has a say in personnel. Considering he has never won anything at the NFL level as a HC, I can't see the Giants meeting his demands.




He went 15-17 with Gus Ferrotte and Joey Harrington as his quarterbacks.



No playoff appearances, 9-7 in year 1, 6-10 in year 2, and bailed on Miami. You don't give that type of pro-resume GM authority. He still has to earn it.


The year before he got there they were 4-12. He left because he wanted Brees and ownership wanted Culpepper. I'd think it's safe to say Saban was right.
Next Coach?  
Giantslifer : 11/8/2017 2:31 pm : link
Questions:
Is MacMagoo an 11-5 or a 3-13 coach?
Will Giants run wide open Offense or Run it down your throat?
The NFL is getting more wide open every year. Long term it would seem logical to draft mobile QB with adaptable RB's .
Defense needs to find faster LB's and DL. The model is "nascar" defense
No way can you have a JimBob Cooter coaching in NJ
RE: NY Times 1982: Make no mistake, George Young, not the Maras  
Rong5611 : 11/8/2017 2:33 pm : link

BINGO. Reese needs to go first, let the new GM pick the coach (or keep McAdoo)...not the owners.

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hired Bill Parcells, just as he had hired Ray Perkins.In his contract, George Young has full authority over the selection and dismissal of coaches."

This is the precedent for the functioning of the franchise to which NYG needs to return.
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Scott Frost please  
arniefez : 11/8/2017 2:35 pm : link
one of these college colleges is going to figure out to run an offense that capitalizes on the college style of play the young players coming into the NFL are trained for.

As a player he was coached by Bill Walsh, Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick and Jon Gruden.

I understand there's no chance of this happening just an idea.
Rong5611  
arniefez : 11/8/2017 2:37 pm : link
That shipped sailed when Tom Coughlin was hired in 2004. Sons of Wellington aren't giving up control of the coaching staff or the roster.
Never understood the dislike for Mike Smith  
Banks : 11/8/2017 2:44 pm : link
I don't dislike any of those candidates besides Haley
RE: Reich or Shaw  
81_Great_Dane : 11/8/2017 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13682062 AnnapolisMike said:
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John Harbaugh if the Ravens go in a different direction. Saban is too old. McDaniels is a big no.
Agree. Shaw, if he's willing to go to the NFL, which he has said he's not keen to do. Reich looks like the hot young coordinator who's thriving with a young QB. I don't want Saban; I doubt he's hungry enough for an NFL HC job. McDaniels, who the fuck knows with these guys who come out of New England? Little Bill runs everything, I don't know what these assistants really do.
RE: Give me an offensive head coach  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/8/2017 3:07 pm : link
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to work with our future young QB


Well ownership insisted that that was McAdoo. So what's the level of trust that the next person will be any better if it's Mara picking again. Need some fresh eyes for this team.
RE: NY Times 1982: Make no mistake, George Young, not the Maras  
81_Great_Dane : 11/8/2017 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13682129 shyster said:
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hired Bill Parcells, just as he had hired Ray Perkins.In his contract, George Young has full authority over the selection and dismissal of coaches."
Young wanted to replace Parcells with Howard Schnellenberger after Parcells' bad first season. Couldn't make the deal, had to settle for Parcells.

That's a better structure, but no structure is perfect.
David Shaw is an excellent coach  
George : 11/8/2017 3:14 pm : link
and an even better human being.

He's my number one choice. Someone tell Mara.


I don't think Frank Reich is doing a good job in Philly  
Go Terps : 11/8/2017 3:21 pm : link
If he were, his quarterback wouldn't be taking such a beating. I don't know shit about protections, but Wentz looks like he's week to week before he gets hurt.
RE: Next Coach?  
Jim Bob Cooter : 11/8/2017 3:25 pm : link
In comment 13682295 Giantslifer said:
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No way can you have a JimBob Cooter coaching in NJ


:(

they have my CV, we shall see
About Saban...  
Gmen8691 : 11/8/2017 3:54 pm : link
there were reports that the Giants had an offer to him before they signed Macadoo and Saban was ready to take the job but his wife didn't want to leave Tuscaloosa. So you can probably count him out.
the Giants (Mara)  
djm : 11/8/2017 3:57 pm : link
MAra should not be allowed to pick the HC. They suck at picking coaches. The very fact that they let the three greatest HCs in NFL history walk away is enough let alone that they also hired the two worst HCs in NFL history.

Let Reese pick the next HC. IF you want to fire Reese that's fine, fire him too. Just don't let John Mara pick the next guy to run this team.

What on earth did Mara see in McAdoo????
RE: I highly doubt Mcadoo will be fired  
djm : 11/8/2017 3:58 pm : link
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just on the way Mara does things..non knee-jerk actions


wanna bet?
he thing that concerns me most about all of this  
Jersey55 : 11/8/2017 4:29 pm : link
is that the team will do nothing and just sit on what they have now and don't fix whats obviously broken.......
RE: Whoever it is  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/8/2017 4:42 pm : link
In comment 13682256 ajr2456 said:
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Should hire Matt LaFleur to call plays.

How do you propose they get an OC in the first year of his contract to make a lateral move? Or, more importantly, how much compensation are you willing to give the Rams to let him out of his contract?

And before anyone throws in the "make him AHC" idea, just know that there are only two distinctions in the NFL with regards to allowing a coach out of his contract: head coach and assistant coach. The Rams don't have to allow LaFleur out of his contract for anything other than a head coach position. Teams will often allow position coaches to interview for a coordinator position out of courtesy (and because it looks bad for them with future hires if they don't allow some flexibility for opportunities to advance) but there's no reason why the Rams would let their own OC become someone else's OC.
Is that all you got...  
Carson53 : 11/8/2017 4:51 pm : link
can't get excited about anyone there.
David Shaw? let's bring back Woody and Bo too, 3 yards and a cloud of dust...keep looking Ralphie!
Saban  
Carson53 : 11/8/2017 4:52 pm : link
wouldn't take the Giants job now, so I completely discounted him from the list.
Well, if we are going to poach GM and managers and scouts  
idiotsavant : 11/8/2017 4:54 pm : link
from the Falcons in some form, than I am warming to my idea of Chris Morgan (OL coach there) as a great HC candidate. I wonder how RB coach there (Bobby Turner), would be as OC (obviously worked with both Morgan and Shanny) and maybe Norv Turner (not related I think) as advisor / associate HC or QB coach to make sure the play action synchs.

Would be nice to have an old cruster in a deal like that.
McDaniel  
Samiam : 11/8/2017 6:12 pm : link
I remember that McDaniel was the guy who drafted Tim Tebow with the 1st round pick. I don't remember who the Denver GM was back then; I doubt it was Elway. Does anyone remember how the Tebow pick played out? was it McDaniel or the GM who wanted Tebow in the 1st round?
Matt Patricia  
SteelGiant : 11/8/2017 9:55 pm : link
I guess I'm the only person that rather go with Patricia at the head coach, just like his predecessor he knows how to make a team with spare parts when necessary and use their talents wisely.

I rather go with him as a head coach and let him hire a guru offensive coordinator.
Shaw  
trueblueinpw : 11/8/2017 11:37 pm : link
Young, has head coaching experience and isnít likely to clash with the GM.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Not a bad list at all  
Glover : 11/9/2017 1:20 am : link
In comment 13682205 Emil said:
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David Shaw - Big fan of his. Great leader, consistent, and flexible with his schemes. Highly doubt he is leaving Stanford for the NFL. If you haven't read Peter King's article on Shaw from 2013, I have linked it below. A must read.

Teryl Austin - Highly respected Defensive coordinator. Made the interview rounds last two offseasons. Could be his time.

Nick Saban - I hesitate to put him at #3, but his resume alone puts him high on the list. I don't see it happening. He won't leave Alabama without a big buyout, and won't return to the NFL unless he has a say in personnel. Considering he has never won anything at the NFL level as a HC, I can't see the Giants meeting his demands.

Mike Smith - Count me as someone who liked the idea of Smith prior to the McAdoo hire. In my opinion, Smith is unfairly criticized for the failure of the Falcons. His teams were always competitive. He had 5 winning seasons in 7 years. His failure was having a 1-4 playoff record. I'm shocked he has not had a second chance yet, especially considering he won 59% of his games.

Frank Reich - Nice to see the former Bill and NFL legend rebound with the Eagles (did I just say that) after McCoy's staff collapsed in San Diego. When Reich was the QB coach for the Charges, Rivers had some of his best years. Would be a nice addition from an offensive/QB coaching perspective, but does he have the ability to be a Head Coach?

Jeff McDaniels - I don't hold the time in Denver against him as much as others do. I thought his coaching was ok, but his performance selecting players is what sunk him. If he was our OC I might be comfortable promoting from within, but seems like too much of a risk. Who knows, he has a first class mind for offense, but can he be the Head Coach?

Todd Haley - Very much not interested.
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Shaw. Wanted him when they hired McAdoo. I didnt like McDaniels at the time, but his Denver experience is far behind him and more time with BB has to have made him wiser. How could you not lile Saban? You could say he is too inflexible, and is better coaching college kids, but he has pelts on the wall and a system that works. They mention Linehan, but what about Marinelli? I want Matt Patricia.
McDaniels  
GiantTuff1 : 11/9/2017 7:45 am : link
This team needs a spark and a creative offensive mind from a proven winning program to erase the stank around here.

We need creativity and flexibility...not stubbornness. Adapt the systems to the players if and when necessary and have the balls to do it before itís too late.

I think Josh can relate better to the players, has wisened up, and seems a much better leader than what McAdoo is showing he is... which to me has been the most unfortunate part of this ordeal... Leaders are... McAdoo is /trying/ to be one, but people see right through that and donít respect him.

Allow Josh to build a winning program here. I think he has the highest upside.
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