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Agree or disagree with Terry Bradshaw [see video]

JimNY56 : 11/8/2017 12:15 pm
His opinion about Eli and his strong opinion on MacAdoo, both in the first 2 minutes of the video.

I especially think his opinion on MacAdoo is spot on.


Depending on what side of the fence you are on, watching for 2 minutes won't change your mind but.....

Give it at least 30seconds.
Terry Bradshaw on Eli Manning - ( New Window )
Agree 1000%.  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 12:18 pm : link
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100% agree  
PatersonPlank : 11/8/2017 12:18 pm : link
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Agree 10,000%  
kelsto811 : 11/8/2017 12:20 pm : link
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Agree 1,000,000%.  
Diver_Down : 11/8/2017 12:26 pm : link
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Yup  
montanagiant : 11/8/2017 12:27 pm : link
And the fact he brought up Whitworth is, even more, evidence of failure from the GM
I would have like to hear his insights into why  
Section331 : 11/8/2017 12:30 pm : link
he thinks McAdoo should be fired. Not saying I disagree with him, but I'd be interested in hearing his reasons.

Regarding Eli, he certainly has a point, but QB's do age, and not all of them age well. If we're going into a total rebuild, I'm not sure it's fair to Eli to keep him around for it.
OL  
AcidTest : 11/8/2017 12:32 pm : link
should have been:

Whitworth.
Pugh.
Richburg/Jones.
Fluker.
Flowers.

Instead we signed Marshall, who was aging, and Ellison, who we hardly use.
Eli can't do it alone  
AnnapolisMike : 11/8/2017 12:32 pm : link
Eli will be the starter next season....and that will probably be it.
Disagree on McAdoo  
bc4life : 11/8/2017 12:32 pm : link
A big part is personnel
100% 100% 100%  
prdave73 : 11/8/2017 12:33 pm : link
Thank u Bradshaw, bout time someone broke it down so people can understand! It's not rocket science?! Any QB in this league under Eli's circumstances would completely look like shit and fail. It's just that simple..
Agree 100%  
Beer Man : 11/8/2017 12:37 pm : link
Was surprised to hear it from Bradshaw. Early in Eli's career he was a regular target of Terry's
Even the late Mrs. Mara would agree with Terry Bradshaw and give  
Giants61 : 11/8/2017 12:40 pm : link
him a hug on his points about Eli
Agree 100%  
18E : 11/8/2017 12:41 pm : link
And quite frankly, anyone that disagrees is a dipshit.
RE: Agree 100%  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13682112 18E said:
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And quite frankly, anyone that disagrees is a dipshit.


Well, there are a lot of them here. That's for sure.
RE: 100% 100% 100%  
Greg from LI : 11/8/2017 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13682094 prdave73 said:
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Thank u Bradshaw, bout time someone broke it down so people can understand! It's not rocket science?! Any QB in this league under Eli's circumstances would completely look like shit and fail. It's just that simple..


Oh bullshit. Seattle's line is even worse than the Giants but somehow Wilson is playing much better than Eli.
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gmenatlarge : 11/8/2017 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13682132 Greg from LI said:
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Thank u Bradshaw, bout time someone broke it down so people can understand! It's not rocket science?! Any QB in this league under Eli's circumstances would completely look like shit and fail. It's just that simple..



Oh bullshit. Seattle's line is even worse than the Giants but somehow Wilson is playing much better than Eli.


Comparing Eli to Wilson is pointless, Wilson does his best work out of the pocket. In fact when teams have kept him bottled up in the pocket is when Seattle often loses.
Wilson  
Csonka : 11/8/2017 12:57 pm : link
Wilson's got better WRs and a better coach.
Whitworth at 35 years old,  
Doomster : 11/8/2017 1:02 pm : link
stopped JPP in his tracks on passing downs....
Their running game is slightly better too  
JimNY56 : 11/8/2017 1:03 pm : link
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I agree with him 99%  
BlackLight : 11/8/2017 1:03 pm : link
Ironically, the point where I come closest to disagreeing with him is when he suggests Eli might try forcing things. By and large, we haven't seen that - I thought his INT this past Sunday might have been an example, but all things considered, I think Eli's done a better job protecting the football this year than he has in lots of other years.

The "Bench Eli" talk is coming up for one real reason - when the team has zero margin for error, every mistake the QB makes is going to get magnified. So Eli overthrows 2 deep balls, and suddenly it's all "Start Davis Webb!" If we were 7-1, and Eli was playing this way, you wouldn't hear a peep about benching him.
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HomerJones45 : 11/8/2017 1:16 pm : link
In comment 13682132 Greg from LI said:
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Thank u Bradshaw, bout time someone broke it down so people can understand! It's not rocket science?! Any QB in this league under Eli's circumstances would completely look like shit and fail. It's just that simple..



Oh bullshit. Seattle's line is even worse than the Giants but somehow Wilson is playing much better than Eli.
Give him McAdoo's offense and see where Wilson lands. Manning has completed 1 less pass than Wilson on 4 less attempts but for 400 fewer yards. Wilson has completed 18 more 20+ yard throws and is averaging a yard and half more per pass.

McAdoo's 3 yards and a cloud of dust passing offense sucks. Manning's got to be beyond frustrated with this shit, especially because he's getting the blame for it.
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Victor in CT : 11/8/2017 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13682184 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13682094 prdave73 said:


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Thank u Bradshaw, bout time someone broke it down so people can understand! It's not rocket science?! Any QB in this league under Eli's circumstances would completely look like shit and fail. It's just that simple..



Oh bullshit. Seattle's line is even worse than the Giants but somehow Wilson is playing much better than Eli.

Give him McAdoo's offense and see where Wilson lands. Manning has completed 1 less pass than Wilson on 4 less attempts but for 400 fewer yards. Wilson has completed 18 more 20+ yard throws and is averaging a yard and half more per pass.

McAdoo's 3 yards and a cloud of dust passing offense sucks. Manning's got to be beyond frustrated with this shit, especially because he's getting the blame for it.


yep. it sucks in GB too. That offense without Rodgers improvisational skills is a joke.
Completely disagree  
#10* : 11/8/2017 1:34 pm : link
You give any professional Qb a clean pocket and a running game and he should make completions. You give him 20 mill a year and he should stare down the barrel during the rush.

The facts are Eli has been in the top ten of qbs I believe twice in his career according to Qbr. Reasons being he feels the rush quicker than most and makes panicked throws. Heís also not terribly accurate when he has time. His throws are often behind the receiver or thrown to high. Reese talked about him being skittish in the pocket early in his career and they are still talking about that today. He is steady I give him that, A+ there. But on performance alone I give him a C.

There isnít one good reason for Mcadoo not to have played Webb in the 4qtr of a blowout. And you canít do much worse than 1-7 if you decided to bench him to see what you have in Webb before you invest in a possible #1 draft choice.
Running game?  
JimNY56 : 11/8/2017 1:39 pm : link
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RE: RE: Agree 100%  
18E : 11/8/2017 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13682127 Britt in VA said:
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And quite frankly, anyone that disagrees is a dipshit.



Well, there are a lot of them here. That's for sure.


Absolutely Britt....
one redneck  
Les in TO : 11/8/2017 1:53 pm : link
supporting another - big shock
RE: Yup  
Rflairr : 11/8/2017 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13682083 montanagiant said:
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And the fact he brought up Whitworth is, even more, evidence of failure from the GM


Thats BS. How do you know it wasnít Mara that didnt want to pay Whitworth after giving out big up front money to Vernon, Jack Rabbit, JPP, and Snacks?
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Rflairr : 11/8/2017 1:56 pm : link
In comment 13682132 Greg from LI said:
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Thank u Bradshaw, bout time someone broke it down so people can understand! It's not rocket science?! Any QB in this league under Eli's circumstances would completely look like shit and fail. It's just that simple..



Oh bullshit. Seattle's line is even worse than the Giants but somehow Wilson is playing much better than Eli.


The Jets line is awful with lesser talent than the Giants. And McCown has looked better. But I think itís because the bigger problem here is the coaching and this shitty scheme
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crick n NC : 11/8/2017 1:57 pm : link
I don't know how anyone can take Terry Bradshaw's opinion over our resident qb analyst Les in To
Eli had his weapons  
ajr2456 : 11/8/2017 2:01 pm : link
for 5 games and didn't look very good.
I see it  
rocco8112 : 11/8/2017 2:28 pm : link
the same way. Put me in the agree camp.
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rocco8112 : 11/8/2017 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13682238 Rflairr said:
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In comment 13682094 prdave73 said:


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Thank u Bradshaw, bout time someone broke it down so people can understand! It's not rocket science?! Any QB in this league under Eli's circumstances would completely look like shit and fail. It's just that simple..



Oh bullshit. Seattle's line is even worse than the Giants but somehow Wilson is playing much better than Eli.



The Jets line is awful with lesser talent than the Giants. And McCown has looked better. But I think itís because the bigger problem here is the coaching and this shitty scheme


The Jets offensive line is better. To my eye McCown often has a serviceable pocket to ooeeate and they are able to run the ball.

The Jet defense is also better. I watch Jet games and think about what Eli would look like in green.


The Giants o line, particularly Hart, just straight up miss and let Eli take kill shots.

Yes he can not scramble, but he could not scramble since 2005.

The Jets are a better football team this season than the Giants, it is not even close. I
RE: Eli had his weapons  
Toth029 : 11/8/2017 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13682249 ajr2456 said:
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for 5 games and didn't look very good.

The OL was putrid for the first several games. They had no threat deep because Beckham was on one foot. They didn't utilize the TE's well at all. There was no run game to speak of. What is the correlation to all this? Coaching. Not once did he have his #1 WR healthy and the OL was so so bad vs. DAL and DET. Eli got rid of the ball in .6 seconds to alleviate the pass rush from Philly. They, again, had no run games. He put them in position to win in both the Eagles and Bucs games and the defense flopped, because it was not that good to begin with.
RE: 100% 100% 100%  
mrvax : 11/8/2017 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13682094 prdave73 said:
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Thank u Bradshaw, bout time someone broke it down so people can understand! It's not rocket science?! Any QB in this league under Eli's circumstances would completely look like shit and fail. It's just that simple..



Yes, and I've posted this many times.
RE: RE: Eli had his weapons  
ajr2456 : 11/8/2017 2:45 pm : link
In comment 13682316 Toth029 said:
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for 5 games and didn't look very good.


The OL was putrid for the first several games. They had no threat deep because Beckham was on one foot. They didn't utilize the TE's well at all. There was no run game to speak of. What is the correlation to all this? Coaching. Not once did he have his #1 WR healthy and the OL was so so bad vs. DAL and DET. Eli got rid of the ball in .6 seconds to alleviate the pass rush from Philly. They, again, had no run games. He put them in position to win in both the Eagles and Bucs games and the defense flopped, because it was not that good to begin with.


Because when he's had time you can tell he's not the same player he once was. It's not like the WR's are dropping every pass and he has three guys in his face every single play.

His deep ball which was his strength isn't there anymore. He was never good enough at the intermediate stuff to compensate for losing his deep ball.

He's not part of the future, and it's imperative to see what Webb can do in a game before drafting top 5 in May.
bump  
ATL_Giants : 11/8/2017 2:51 pm : link
 
Never thought I'd agree with Bradshaw on anything  
exiled : 11/8/2017 2:57 pm : link
Never say never.
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NikkiMac : 11/8/2017 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13682193 Victor in CT said:
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Thank u Bradshaw, bout time someone broke it down so people can understand! It's not rocket science?! Any QB in this league under Eli's circumstances would completely look like shit and fail. It's just that simple..



Oh bullshit. Seattle's line is even worse than the Giants but somehow Wilson is playing much better than Eli.

Give him McAdoo's offense and see where Wilson lands. Manning has completed 1 less pass than Wilson on 4 less attempts but for 400 fewer yards. Wilson has completed 18 more 20+ yard throws and is averaging a yard and half more per pass.

McAdoo's 3 yards and a cloud of dust passing offense sucks. Manning's got to be beyond frustrated with this shit, especially because he's getting the blame for it.



yep. it sucks in GB too. That offense without Rodgers improvisational skills is a joke.




Thatís what Iíve been trying to say this WCO is bullshit especially in New York only 8 Super Bowls won with this offense and the QBs were all top notch except for B Johnson the others were Montana Young Farve and Rogers and all those guys with the exception of Johnson were pretty mobile !
RE: Completely disagree  
NikkiMac : 11/8/2017 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13682211 #10* said:
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You give any professional Qb a clean pocket and a running game and he should make completions. You give him 20 mill a year and he should stare down the barrel during the rush.

The facts are Eli has been in the top ten of qbs I believe twice in his career according to Qbr. Reasons being he feels the rush quicker than most and makes panicked throws. Heís also not terribly accurate when he has time. His throws are often behind the receiver or thrown to high. Reese talked about him being skittish in the pocket early in his career and they are still talking about that today. He is steady I give him that, A+ there. But on performance alone I give him a C.

There isnít one good reason for Mcadoo not to have played Webb in the 4qtr of a blowout. And you canít do much worse than 1-7 if you decided to bench him to see what you have in Webb before you invest in a possible #1 draft choice.


Right on #10*
Agree 100%  
Matt M. : 11/8/2017 3:03 pm : link
Too bad I had to listen to Cowherd for this.
Sorry Matt  
JimNY56 : 11/8/2017 3:16 pm : link
Listen to Deion Sanders and LaDainian Tomlinson instead, three threads above.
Another video to agree or disagree with about Eli - ( New Window )
RE: one redneck  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13682231 Les in TO said:
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supporting another - big shock


speaking of dipshits.
RE: one redneck  
JCin332 : 11/8/2017 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13682231 Les in TO said:
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supporting another - big shock


Gosh Les every time you post it's just more idiotic...
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JCin332 : 11/8/2017 3:44 pm : link
In comment 13682366 NikkiMac said:
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You give any professional Qb a clean pocket and a running game and he should make completions. You give him 20 mill a year and he should stare down the barrel during the rush.

The facts are Eli has been in the top ten of qbs I believe twice in his career according to Qbr. Reasons being he feels the rush quicker than most and makes panicked throws. Heís also not terribly accurate when he has time. His throws are often behind the receiver or thrown to high. Reese talked about him being skittish in the pocket early in his career and they are still talking about that today. He is steady I give him that, A+ there. But on performance alone I give him a C.

There isnít one good reason for Mcadoo not to have played Webb in the 4qtr of a blowout. And you canít do much worse than 1-7 if you decided to bench him to see what you have in Webb before you invest in a possible #1 draft choice.



Right on #10*


You're agreeing he gets a C for performance...

Did they allow all the loons out today?
How would he have responded to this question?  
GeoMan999 : 11/8/2017 3:55 pm : link
Assuming that Eli only has 2 or so years left and you will have a Top 3 pick, would you want to find out about Webb this year since the season is lost?
Even more Pros and analyst  
prdave73 : 11/8/2017 3:56 pm : link
who also agree?! It Is what it is, simple. People here can believe what they want, that's fine. I like what Dion said too.

"Eli a product of the issues around him"

That also includes Head coach, GM, and coaching staff which the Giants are lacking bad right now. Like I always say too, Brady is a product of the system.
I think Terry had a few drinks  
gtt350 : 11/8/2017 5:13 pm : link
doesn't make him wrong though
RE: RE: Yup  
montanagiant : 11/8/2017 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13682236 Rflairr said:
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And the fact he brought up Whitworth is, even more, evidence of failure from the GM



Thats BS. How do you know it wasnít Mara that didnt want to pay Whitworth after giving out big up front money to Vernon, Jack Rabbit, JPP, and Snacks?

Because your buddy Reese himself stated that LT was not an option for anyone they brought in. As much as you slather on his nuts you should have known that
I agree...  
Dan in the Springs : 11/8/2017 6:40 pm : link
Eli doesn't deserve to be benched. Having said that - it's been 25 games since the offense has scored 30 points. Very, very disappointing, especially because last year they were mostly healthy and returned pretty much the same OL as they had when they last scored 30.

I don't think benching Eli fixes anything. I'm in favor of giving some playing time to Webb not because I think Eli deserves to be "benched" or because I expect a better outcome. It's because we have some time now to evaluate a guy who should factor into this team's plans in the future. Tough to know enough about Webb if they aren't going to give him any snaps either in practice or in games.
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yankees78 : 11/8/2017 6:41 pm : link
I agree with Terry
The only guy who called  
RetroJint : 11/8/2017 8:58 pm : link
for Coughlin to be fired more than Bradshaw was Gary Meyers . A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds works perry well for Bradshaw. Fire the coach . Coddle the quarterback . This is a surprise ?
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christian : 11/8/2017 9:30 pm : link
Who knew two things could be true simultaneously?

Crazy to think Manning is declining and the coaching sucks isn't it?

Even crazier both those things continue to be true even as the line and running game have improved greatly.





That fucking Set...  
Glover : 11/9/2017 2:47 pm : link
Who the fuck does Cowherd think he is? Some kind of judge. That was pretty wrong seeing that dork looking down on Bradshaw. What a shitty atmosphere to talk in. No clue.
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