Once the bulk of the NY/NJ press starts throwing the NYG coach under the bus, it's usually over. And they have all appeared to turn on him (maybe with the exception of Rock).
Parcells survived 1983 and Coughlin 2006, but usually when it gets this bad with the media, the HC is toast.
McAdoo not getting fired, shouldn't get fired.
Besides - we're well past the point of anyone possibly thinking he could turn it around.
If you’re going to act like an ass you’re going to get shit put back in your face by this media. Predictably.
not a genius, just offensive.
Can we stop with the 'coach he picks' part - get on Reese for the personnel, he's got nothing to do with the coaches.
That's part of the problem here - we're going to have the FO go out and replace a GM and HC, and they're going to do so in a vacuum, which is scary.
Maybe they'll leave him behind in SF if that's the case...
Yup well said. His coach speak and terse answers haven’t earned him much love.
When they were winning, it's was easy to keep everyone on the same page. But when they lose, a good coach knows how to keep the team together and fighting every game. McAdoo isn't that type of coach.
"You will pay dearly for this. I will embarrass you."
It's obvious things are beyond uncomfortable there and I'm sure it has been a week of difficult conversations, ultimatums, finger pointing and desperation.
It's obvious things are beyond uncomfortable there and I'm sure it has been a week of difficult conversations, ultimatums, finger pointing and desperation.
Why are you surprised?
Do you know how many times he's come here and stated as fact that the Giants would be making moves and they've turned out to be bunk?
Reggie Nelson? The OTs we were signing for the OL? McAdoo being fired before the bye?
At this point - nobody takes him seriously, and nobody should.
Having been a journalist at one point in my life, that is often the case even if you don't like the coach. Now, as in any business or industry, some guys will just look for shit to disturb so they can write a story or stir the pot...get their name out there. Others will be good reporters, out to honestly do their job. For the most part, with the exception of guys like Serby or Myers, I find the NY media pretty good. People like Pat Traina, Ralph to an extent and others try to do their analysis based on facts. Others do not and even Raanan has started to go the ESPN way of sensationalism.
That being said, in a market like NY, Mr. Slickback could have done a much better job in terms of his dealings with the media. I think he's trying to be Belichick and he has failed miserably at that. I personally sense no genuineness from him...the media can accept most stuff if you are genuine and honest about it. If you try to be a phony, they will jump all over you.
Cam Cameron was terrible with the press. Jim Mora Jr. often struggled to provide answers. Remember "Chud"? Rod Chudzynski for the Browns? He looked and sounded like a lifelong QB coach in his pressers.
The guy who Mac reminds me of the most is Jim Thomsula from the Niners. That guy got on the bad side of both the players and the Media and made it worse everytime he said something to a reporter, commentator or pretty much anything publicly.
Handling the press well will get guys through a tough stretch, but handling them poorly almost assures a quick exit - if the team is losing.
I will say it would be helpful if he was good with the media. McAdoo did himself no favors by trying to be Little Bill with the press. It's biting him right now.
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"In regards to the media, I think it was just an unknown," ... said. "Most of the other things with regards to the job, I felt like I knew what to expect. But dealing with the media on an everyday basis was an unknown for me. I don't know if it's that difficult, but it's more time-consuming than I had anticipated when I took the job."
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"My timing probably was bad last week. It was a problem of timing more than anything else. Usually, we get along pretty well, though. No problems back here, just business as usual: Everything gets blown out of proportion."
Spoiler alert...it was Ray Handley on 10/17/1992. After the Giants fell to 2-3 and lost Phil Simms for the year. Roughly 1.5 years into his coaching career.
Reese will be right behind him
I bet that when he's finally gone we will start to hear all kinds of stories about how dysfunctional the team was.
McAdoo’s personality hasn’t changed but the media isn’t accepting when you only win 1 game of 9.
The reason McAdoo isn’t gone yet is that Reese didn’t hire him - only rubber stamped the owners’ decision.
Cam Cameron was terrible with the press. Jim Mora Jr. often struggled to provide answers. Remember "Chud"? Rod Chudzynski for the Browns? He looked and sounded like a lifelong QB coach in his pressers.
The guy who Mac reminds me of the most is Jim Thomsula from the Niners. That guy got on the bad side of both the players and the Media and made it worse everytime he said something to a reporter, commentator or pretty much anything publicly.
Handling the press well will get guys through a tough stretch, but handling them poorly almost assures a quick exit - if the team is losing.
You forgot Saban who said so delicately "Man, you guys are just poison, man, poison."
The HC is in front of a microphone more than any team employee and you could argue he's the face of the franchise most Sunday evenings through the following Sunday morning. As you've pointed out, people underestimate how important that part of the job is.
I'd argue that a lot of the hatred of Goodell stems from the fact he is trained as an attorney and he turns the average fan off with his particular brand of evasive roundabout-speak.
McAdoo’s personality hasn’t changed but the media isn’t accepting when you only win 1 game of 9.
The reason McAdoo isn’t gone yet is that Reese didn’t hire him - only rubber stamped the owners’ decision.
Handley was dismissive and arrogant. Remember him mocking Russ Salzberg after the Hostetler injury and then storming out of his press conference? How he told the media it's not a head coach's job to motivate players, the players are professionals and they should do it themselves?
For years Parcells called Handley "a computer on his staff" because he was a smart offensive coach. An Xs and Os genius. That's why they kept him from going to law school to become offensive coordinator and relegated Ron Erhardt to some amorphous "assistant Head Coach" title, which essentially was glorified quality control spot. The McAdoo/Handley parallels have been growing week by week, almost eerily in their year 2 run.
McAdoo’s personality hasn’t changed but the media isn’t accepting when you only win 1 game of 9.
The reason McAdoo isn’t gone yet is that Reese didn’t hire him - only rubber stamped the owners’ decision.
I remember Ha***ey as being condescending as well, a lot like McAdoo. Gave the impression he was some offensive genius who knew so much more than you dis (the press did).
Though I have argued often that it is time to move on from Eli, he has honored this team with his professionalism, effort and class throughout some very difficult times. He is the model of what a player should be--in good times and bad. Many of his teammates should be talking about him and following his lead rather than taking shots at the coach through anonymous quotes in the press which is desperately trying to maintain an audience during a horrible season.
It certainly feels like McAdoo is losing his grip. I can't imagine ownership letting this wound fester for 7-8 more weeks if they lose to the 49er's in ugly fashion this weekend.
And I don't think it would be Spags....Sullivan would be the interim HC.
Agree. Once the Dolphins signed Culpepper instead of Brees, who Saban wanted, he stopped giving a crap. When his wife wanted out, it was all over at that point and the Nicktator really didn't care what he told the media.
It certainly feels like McAdoo is losing his grip. I can't imagine ownership letting this wound fester for 7-8 more weeks if they lose to the 49er's in ugly fashion this weekend.
And I don't think it would be Spags....Sullivan would be the interim HC.
I don't know, if the Giants make that call, I think they just want to stabilize things and would give the nod to Spags because he's been a head coach before. They would let Sullivan focus on the offense.
It's obvious things are beyond uncomfortable there and I'm sure it has been a week of difficult conversations, ultimatums, finger pointing and desperation.
he just flings things out on curtains of obvious things and when the shit sticks everyone makes him to be "insider"
let me try..Reese and Mcadoo will be fired at seasons end...there..
Gruden would have been fine by me two years ago but now the whole TV thing really set in place and he is more character than coach now.
A lot of people disagree but I want McDaniels at least interviewed and Mike Vrabel as well- if not HC then as DC!
Who is the leader on this team? Many of the rumors and backtalk are the product of a bunch of guys who don't seem interested in the team. The lockerroom is a 'bunch of guys' not a team. Instead of unity in the locker room, the stench of a bad season stinks to hell, because everyone (including the coaching staff) seems to be scurrying to ensure they are not blamed.
How can anyone honestly expect the defense to keep trying? THAT's what's behind a lot of the frustration.
McAdoo not getting fired, shouldn't get fired.
Are you serious? Even if you kind of think Mc deserves another shot on what planet is it fair to say that Ben DOESN'T deserve to at least be on the hot seat?
This is a train wreck of epic proportions. I don't care how supportive one can be towards the HC, the HC here hasn't done one single positive thing this year. Not one.
Maybe he doesn't deserve this but the guy hasn't brought a single good quality to this team. Not one. Eli and Beckham brought this offense back from the dead in 14-15. Then the offense regressed yet AGAIN. Every time Beckham doesn't play the O goes from pretty bad with him to god awful without him in the lineup.
He's toast. And he should be. Ben's body of work is terrible here. Not bad. TERRIBLE. And I have said so from week 1.
Shouldn't be fired my ass. He's terrible.
And if Gary Myers or Lupica shows up at the weekly press briefing that's the kiss of Death.
Go Big Green?
To be Dc?
good grief.
One part of me thinks this would be the best move they could make the other thinks it would be the worst move they could make.