There s been speculation that if Browns have first pick the kid would stay in school, Cowherd.
In this scenerio Browns get Rosen and Giants miss out on the quarterback they might want.
What are the options they might pursue to let the Darnold camp know he is their guy and what is the time table to do so.
This is assuming Giants want one if these two guys.
What's the reasoning behind a statement like this? Do we even know who the GM will be?
They can then select a QB or not, but they will have a lot of options.
The bigger things is that there better be a new guy making the pick and a new guy coaching it.
They can then select a QB or not, but they will have a lot of options.
The bigger things is that there better be a new guy making the pick and a new guy coaching it.
I totally agree with that.
Maybe trading a few spots still nets them Saquan plus additional picks
Heck. Maybe they should trade for Jacoby Brissett. Lol
3 or 4 years? Eli has 2 years remaining on his contract after this season. It's a legitimate question as to whether he'll be afforded the opportunity to finish his current contract, but I don't think anyone can reasonably expect that he'll be re-signed after that at 39 years old.
The most you're really looking at having an apprentice sit behind Eli is two seasons, and realistically, it's probably just 2018. It's not really that difficult to be even minimally informed on contracts and ages.
They can then select a QB or not, but they will have a lot of options.
The bigger things is that there better be a new guy making the pick and a new guy coaching it.
My ideal scenario would be for the Giants to trade all the way down to the 10-12 range where they could get a few picks plus still have the opportunity to take Baker Mayfield.
I wonder if they could net two #1's and a #3 for that?
No real OT's worthy of drafting that high. Barkley's a dynamic player, but is there enough at the top of this draft to warrant someone handing over multiple picks to move up a few spots?
I know it all depends on how badly someone is coveted (see Ditka, Mike) but it seems like the top of the draft this year is a little sparse to be able to hold someone for ransom.
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love the giants to use leverage of where they will pick to trade down and get multiple picks, including an extra #1 in 2019.
They can then select a QB or not, but they will have a lot of options.
The bigger things is that there better be a new guy making the pick and a new guy coaching it.
My ideal scenario would be for the Giants to trade all the way down to the 10-12 range where they could get a few picks plus still have the opportunity to take Baker Mayfield.
You sure do love you some Baker Mayfield, lol. The problem with that is that Big 12 defenses are an absolute joke and QBs from the conference have had almost no recent success in the NFL. There is currently zero Big 12 QBs starting in the NFL. It’s impossible to gauge them at the next level.
I have no faith at all in Big 12 QBs. Mayfield looks awesome throwing to guys wide open by 5-10 yards on every play though.
other than Ricky Williams the biggest draft day moves were all for QB's or WR's.
so in the scenario outlined by many of you where the Giants trade down and accumulate a plethora of picks including 1st round picks in future years, for who?
If there is no QB worth and I have read this is a weak WR draft who is being traded up for? Barkley?
I know it's early, but still worth discussing in these fictional scenarios.
Also, around this time 10 years ago Andre Woodson was a projected 1st round pick. Giants wound up taking him in the 6th.
So, I agree with the poster who said post-season games, post-season workouts, and combine/interviews mean more than a lot of the mock drafts in early November.
We have a lot of holes. I'd agree with trading down and getting more premium picks. Eli isn't going anywhere soon, and we do need to see what we have in Webb. Plus the college "franchise" guys don't look good so far. We can rebuild the team a little, and if Webb doesn't look like the real deal then draft a QB next year. I'm sure there will be more "franchise" guys next year too. The last few QB drafts have been:
2017 - Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, Webb, even the SF starter
2016 - Goff, Wentz, Hackenberg, Dac, Brisset, Paxton Lynch
2015 - Winston, Mariotta, Petty
2014 - Bortles, Derek Carr, Garrapalo
So there are always new "franchise" guys coming. We have lots of holes to fill in the starting line-up.
They can then select a QB or not, but they will have a lot of options.
The bigger things is that there better be a new guy making the pick and a new guy coaching it.
I agree. I would want Rosen (if he falls and if he does well in the pre draft workouts) or Barkley. If I cant get either of those then trade back to get more picks next year.
Great point.
How many did they have with Webb and by whom?
My hope would be for the Giants to bring in some offensive linemen through free agency, and if Rosen or Darnold are available, pull the trigger.
And after that, trade back into the first round to draft Ronald Jones, running back from USC, though when all is said and done, i feel like this guy is going to be competing with Barkley to be the first running back taken next year.
Me neither. If they are going to use a 1st round pick on a QB i hope it's either Rosen or Mayfield after a trade down.
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love the giants to use leverage of where they will pick to trade down and get multiple picks, including an extra #1 in 2019.
They can then select a QB or not, but they will have a lot of options.
The bigger things is that there better be a new guy making the pick and a new guy coaching it.
My ideal scenario would be for the Giants to trade all the way down to the 10-12 range where they could get a few picks plus still have the opportunity to take Baker Mayfield.
10-12 would bring a big haul....only thing is, IMO, as much as we may need Eli's replacement if it is not Webb...we need good young blood at OL, could lose 4( and 2 of those I don't want back), since we can't buy multiple non Giant FAs , thanks YKW,...otherwise our young replacement QB will be running more than our backs.
If they end up with a top 3 pick, and they have conviction on a player, just take the guy. With SF trading for Jimmy G, unless THEY trade down, the Giants will have a shot at everyone outside of who CLE takes. I want that option, even though I get the need for more picks.
There's a better chance Eli is gone after the last 8 games then here for another 3-4 years
Swing and a miss.
3 or 4 years???? Come on dude.
Giants are going to look at who's available via UFA and try to rebuild there, firstly. Every year they try to address urgent holes in the roster during UFA, freeing them up for the draft.
Right now, there's no LT prospect looming large for the top 10, according the fluid draft reports. Don't force the pick, it's too vital to the FUTURE of the franchise.
Don't the scouts that visit during the season talk with the players?
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through intermediaries. When ... it would likely be after scouting season is in full swing and moving towards the draft. A ton of work to do between now and then ...
Don't the scouts that visit during the season talk with the players?
Yep, and others.
No, he's not. Granted, that's my opinion, but I don't see starting material with Webb. I don't in college, and I don't now.
Darold has had his ups and downs, but you can never count him out of any game, and he's proven to be quite clutch when he has to be. Plus, he's not a statue in the pocket, he's got an ability to create a little more time for himself.
I, for one, would be completely stoked if we got Darnold.
This is the same QB that threw for 453 and 5 TD in the Rose Bowl a year ago. Kid has the goods, and with the right coach and system could be a star in the NFL with the tools he has.
Qb prospects yahoo - ( New Window )
Darnold
Rosen
Barkley
Brown
McGlinchey
James
So, opportunitism in that regard, being a good thing, favors a trade down. So value and positional(s) can match without forcing things.
Then, add in the reduced risk garnered by having 2 or 3 rather than one.
It's not really accurate to view any pick as a stand alone event.
Omg people are delusional. :D
Eli is not going to be here 3 or 4 more years. Good grief. Even if he did, at his current rate of decline he will be a shadow of himself when his contract ends in 2 years.
Which is probably a fairly frequent source of misdirection in established groups and organisations. Not at all unique here.
I’m really warming up to this. Dude looks like one of the best guards to come around in a long time. If they don’t love a QB, Nelson is the guy I want. As long as they are top 5, there SHOULD be some trade down opportunities from a team that needs a QB or loves Barkley. Or whatever other players rise up the boards. Which brings up that point. It’s way too early in the process at this point. Players will rise and fall, but there’s no harm in discussing it as of today, I suppose.
Wheres trading down may bring a player with slightly more warts (depending on position maybe not even this) you are in fact getting two or three for one which lowers -greatly- your risk that the formerly inly player turns out to not have a useful career.
Sounds like they are conflating lack of confidence in their process with an actual risk value.
Just take a look at the current group of QBs who are playing today. I would bet that they look different now (On the field) than they did in their senior year in college.
My concern is the group of coaches we have right now. The pic below of Farley is us and the car is our first pick...
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...should be our top pick after a trade down.
I’m really warming up to this. Dude looks like one of the best guards to come around in a long time.
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...should be our top pick after a trade down.
I’m really warming up to this. Dude looks like one of the best guards to come around in a long time.
Could be the best since Chance Warmack!
Or Zack Martin..