a poster from the UK, poster from Jacksonville, CA, etc.
That's pretty cool, isn't it?
Very cool. Someone from New Brunswick just voted. It goes to show the size of the community extends to some varied locales outside of the tri-state area.
Slade was known as cvic years back. And under that handle, had a pretty good track record.
I have not voted yet, but am wondering if banning Slade will discourage others who potentially have inside information from posting. As annoying as Slade has been recently, do we run the risk of chasing away other insiders?
Slade was known as cvic years back. And under that handle, had a pretty good track record.
I have not voted yet, but am wondering if banning Slade will discourage others who potentially have inside information from posting. As annoying as Slade has been recently, do we run the risk of chasing away other insiders?
Interested in your thoughts.
This same arguement has been going on for literally decades.
Yet you still have people here claiming inside info.
Slade was known as cvic years back. And under that handle, had a pretty good track record.
I have not voted yet, but am wondering if banning Slade will discourage others who potentially have inside information from posting. As annoying as Slade has been recently, do we run the risk of chasing away other insiders?
Interested in your thoughts.
I think keeping him will discourage others with information to step forward. When someone has actual information they may hesitate to post here because of the comments directed at Slade. There will be several posters who will assume that it is another troll just trying to get people riled up.
Not sure why everyone gets upset. No need to ban him, he's not abusive or an asshole.
Evidently, you haven't read his posts on the few threads he happens to return to. He should be banned for those alone, is recent bannings are a barometer.
I voted to ban but I have changed my mind. I can choose to not believe what he says. I had some diversion for minutes the other day. If it is possible please change my vote.
If he is right or if he is wrong (and knowingly so), how does whatever particular piece of (possibly misleading) knowledge impact your life and well-being?
I can't see how any stupid shit he posts comes close to violating the ToS.
I voted to ban but I have changed my mind. I can choose to not believe what he says. I had some diversion for minutes the other day. If it is possible please change my vote.
Great. Now we're going to have to count hanging chads.
Slade was known as cvic years back. And under that handle, had a pretty good track record.
I have not voted yet, but am wondering if banning Slade will discourage others who potentially have inside information from posting. As annoying as Slade has been recently, do we run the risk of chasing away other insiders?
Interested in your thoughts.
I think keeping him will discourage others with information to step forward. When someone has actual information they may hesitate to post here because of the comments directed at Slade. There will be several posters who will assume that it is another troll just trying to get people riled up.
Are we making money or saving lives based on that information? Or lack of it?
comes true.... and I dont mean at the end of the season. He indicated that it would happen sooner vs later. So, if McAdoo is still here at the end of Nov then by Slade
Let's give Slade to the start of our last game of the season.
If not true by then, we find him, take him out and shoot him.
At least he can't post under an alias..Ever. ;-)
Not sure why everyone gets upset. No need to ban him, he's not abusive or an asshole.
Evidently, you haven't read his posts on the few threads he happens to return to. He should be banned for those alone, is recent bannings are a barometer.
I voted to ban. One of the reasons I come to this site is to get late breaking news, football and non-football. There is nothing more annoying than to see a fake news headline with nothing to back it up. It makes no difference to me if its some asshole who fancies himself an insider or some juvenile looking to stir the pot. Its perfectly okay to speculate or pass on rumors but it needs to be in the original post. In other words its OK to post a thread title:
So and so says: Mcadoo to be fired.
maybe even
Rumor: McAdoo to be fired
or even
Mens room attendant at MetLife: McAdoo to be fired.
What should no be tolerated is stating as fact
McAdoo to be fired
unless its been reported as fact by a reputable source.
1. Slade is full of it and has no inside info.
2. Slades fake info gets tons of activity on bbi.
3. Nobody comes to bbi for real football info, other than what people post on the forum that's breaking news from other avenues. How many people actually visit the antiquatede home page for football content? I'd guess less than 10% of posters.
4. The actual football content on bbi is severely lacking compared to real football sites.
Having said all that, Slade is a great fit for bbi.
I voted to ban. One of the reasons I come to this site is to get late breaking news, football and non-football. There is nothing more annoying than to see a fake news headline with nothing to back it up. It makes no difference to me if its some asshole who fancies himself an insider or some juvenile looking to stir the pot. Its perfectly okay to speculate or pass on rumors but it needs to be in the original post. In other words its OK to post a thread title:
So and so says: Mcadoo to be fired.
maybe even
Rumor: McAdoo to be fired
or even
Mens room attendant at MetLife: McAdoo to be fired.
What should no be tolerated is stating as fact
McAdoo to be fired
unless its been reported as fact by a reputable source.
+1
RE: To be honest, I change my vote to keep him.... Â
1. Slade is full of it and has no inside info.
2. Slades fake info gets tons of activity on bbi.
3. Nobody comes to bbi for real football info, other than what people post on the forum that's breaking news from other avenues. How many people actually visit the antiquatede home page for football content? I'd guess less than 10% of posters.
4. The actual football content on bbi is severely lacking compared to real football sites.
Having said all that, Slade is a great fit for bbi.
You'd be surprised at how many BBI'ers tell me they only visit the front page and stay off the Forum.
stop catering this site to the lowest common denominator of deplorable posters and trolls with no regard for the truth or for having intelligent discussion. Why are you even considering keeping someone around who continues to peddle fake news?
It's as if this has been going on since 2015, really picked up through 2016, and now in 2017 it has made BBI almost unbearable.
Interesting to see how passionate people are about this...
Get rid of trolls at all costs adherents vs. what's the harm in the entertainment value.
Reminds me of that drag the Eagle guy who I thought was a fake until people started telling me they met him at tailgates. A lot of people wanted him gone while others said, he's real and doing no harm. Then he started posting crap that got him in trouble.
RE: RE: To be honest, I change my vote to keep him.... Â
1. Slade is full of it and has no inside info.
2. Slades fake info gets tons of activity on bbi.
3. Nobody comes to bbi for real football info, other than what people post on the forum that's breaking news from other avenues. How many people actually visit the antiquatede home page for football content? I'd guess less than 10% of posters.
4. The actual football content on bbi is severely lacking compared to real football sites.
Having said all that, Slade is a great fit for bbi.
You'd be surprised at how many BBI'ers tell me they only visit the front page and stay off the Forum.
I'm sure there are a few grandpas that won't go near this forum and I don't blame them. I'm not sure if you care about my opinion, but you are going in the wrong direction here buddy.
Slade was known as cvic years back. And under that handle, had a pretty good track record.
I have not voted yet, but am wondering if banning Slade will discourage others who potentially have inside information from posting. As annoying as Slade has been recently, do we run the risk of chasing away other insiders?
Interested in your thoughts.
This same arguement has been going on for literally decades.
Yet you still have people here claiming inside info.
Opinions vary. The front page look is dated but not ridiculously so. We'll upgrade it again at some point.
Personally, I think the content is on par with most other sites. Take for example, Sy's draft previews and the game reviews over the years (Joey, Sy, rnargi, etc). Camp reports used to be better because of Albany - the move to East Rutherford really hurt us there, but this past year gidiefor and Sy did great with the camp reports. Their videocasts from camp were the best I've seen from the various outlets in terms of actual substance and interviews.
During the season, the front page is largely a compilation of the days news... injury report, interviews, transactions... my feeling is that is what most people want... a quick summary of what transpired in the day and they can then pick and choose whether or not they want to dive into a particular interview or article.
Interesting to see how passionate people are about this...
Get rid of trolls at all costs adherents vs. what's the harm in the entertainment value.
Reminds me of that drag the Eagle guy who I thought was a fake until people started telling me they met him at tailgates. A lot of people wanted him gone while others said, he's real and doing no harm. Then he started posting crap that got him in trouble.
At least Rich was funny or tried to be.. Slade makes this one liner bold statements with no follow up. I think that is what really infuriates posters. You can be wrong but don't make these bold claims and then disappear without owning it. I think he is a fraud and should be banned.
I voted to ban. One of the reasons I come to this site is to get late breaking news, football and non-football. There is nothing more annoying than to see a fake news headline with nothing to back it up. It makes no difference to me if its some asshole who fancies himself an insider or some juvenile looking to stir the pot. Its perfectly okay to speculate or pass on rumors but it needs to be in the original post. In other words its OK to post a thread title:
So and so says: Mcadoo to be fired.
maybe even
Rumor: McAdoo to be fired
or even
Mens room attendant at MetLife: McAdoo to be fired.
What should no be tolerated is stating as fact
McAdoo to be fired
unless its been reported as fact by a reputable source.
This is why I'm adamant he should be banned. I saw the title and almost messaged my friends, who would have roasted me. Eric's been clear that people shouldn't post rumors as facts.
Come on guys...if you don't really want to believe what Slade has to say, don't read his posts. Or read them, but don't take into account anything he has to say. Whether he's just gotten lucky or not, he has been right some of the time, and at the very least it makes for good chatter and entertainment value.
This is the worst I've felt as a Giants fan in a really, really long time, and I certainly am not coming to BBI to hear how Chris Casher's workout went.
Interesting to see how passionate people are about this...
Get rid of trolls at all costs adherents vs. what's the harm in the entertainment value.
Reminds me of that drag the Eagle guy who I thought was a fake until people started telling me they met him at tailgates. A lot of people wanted him gone while others said, he's real and doing no harm. Then he started posting crap that got him in trouble.
At least Rich was funny or tried to be.. Slade makes this one liner bold statements with no follow up. I think that is what really infuriates posters. You can be wrong but don't make these bold claims and then disappear without owning it. I think he is a fraud and should be banned.
Rich didn't just try to be funny - he posted after one game that he knew first hand Osi needed surgery (and to have pins inserted into his leg) and was going to be out for the season.
Didn't happen, obviously. Apparently, the alleyway behind the Tick Tock Diner was not the hotspot for NFL intel he thought it was.
I know most of the stuff he said about his dad was BS, but even if 1/10th of it was true, he was really abused as a kid.
The image of the turkey leg going through the TV screen makes me laugh, though.
It shouldn't have been funny, but the stories about the dad with the Schlitz cans made me giggle uncontrollably - I'm already going to hell, so whatever.
Everything else aside, this is not about what the troll does.
It's about how the website handles it.
Can the BBI community count on the site to handle things consistently, reliably, and according to stated policy? Or can't they?
What's the message this site wants to send to the next troll? Go ahead -- you might not get voted off the island.
I've run a web community that's almost as old as this one, and one thing I've learned is that if you establish site rules, you damn-well better enforce them consistently. If you don't, the assholes take advantage of that situation, and the good members lose respect for the site and its hosts.
Agreed. It's either Slade himself using proxy servers to vote (which would be quite the effort) or the lurkers who don't really have skin in the game.
This board is worse with Slade than without. He's a bonafide troll.
Mostly lurker here who voted to keep him, mostly to piss off people like you with "skin in the game". It's an online forum about a sports team for fuks sake. Get over yourselves.
Everything else aside, this is not about what the troll does.
It's about how the website handles it.
Can the BBI community count on the site to handle things consistently, reliably, and according to stated policy? Or can't they?
What's the message this site wants to send to the next troll? Go ahead -- you might not get voted off the island.
I've run a web community that's almost as old as this one, and one thing I've learned is that if you establish site rules, you damn-well better enforce them consistently. If you don't, the assholes take advantage of that situation, and the good members lose respect for the site and its hosts.
+ 1,000,000
WTF has BBI become? A place where great posters are banished but putzes like Slade and a host of other horrific posters can foul the site routinely? Really pathetic.
Everything else aside, this is not about what the troll does.
It's about how the website handles it.
Can the BBI community count on the site to handle things consistently, reliably, and according to stated policy? Or can't they?
What's the message this site wants to send to the next troll? Go ahead -- you might not get voted off the island.
I've run a web community that's almost as old as this one, and one thing I've learned is that if you establish site rules, you damn-well better enforce them consistently. If you don't, the assholes take advantage of that situation, and the good members lose respect for the site and its hosts.
Who is or is not a "good poster" depends on who you ask.
What I see on this site is a group of crusty old veterans who think that because they have been here longer or post more often that that somehow means they are generally smarter overall or when it comes to football.
Why not let Eric run his website the way he wants and maybe leave if you don't like it?
the whole time makes it seem like something is up. I really doubt slade has that many supporters. lol. He has been worthless for quite some times now.
And yeah, put me in the camp that says he just should have been banned without a poll. Unless you're 100% certain that the poll can't be rigged but it's obvious that it can be. It let me vote twice, once on my phone and once on my laptop so I'm sure others are getting the same odd things. The only thing we're good at here as far as rules goes is making sure anything political isn't allowed.
A decision overturning government restrictions on social media is far from apples to apples with regards to a message board community self managing its policies. The first amendment protects citizens from the government on matters of free speech. It does not prevent private business owners from determining how they want to run their company (or message board, in this case). If the government was stepping in to ban Slade, your example might - MIGHT - hold water, but that's not what's happening here.
It sets a precedent for other BS trolls to look to and point at. So, if he is not banned here, be ready for the potential of more of these false, unsubstantiated claims to be posted more frequently and by other faux "insiders". Whatever the value is in entertainment of these posts, still lowers the legitimacy of the site.
the whole time makes it seem like something is up. I really doubt slade has that many supporters. lol. He has been worthless for quite some times now.
And yeah, put me in the camp that says he just should have been banned without a poll. Unless you're 100% certain that the poll can't be rigged but it's obvious that it can be. It let me vote twice, once on my phone and once on my laptop so I'm sure others are getting the same odd things. The only thing we're good at here as far as rules goes is making sure anything political isn't allowed.
Sure, if people are going to take the time and effort to vote from multiple devices, they are going to be able to do that.
Part of my intent to do this was to show people that their view wasn't clearly the majority view... but I had no idea it would be this close.
no one should be banned for posting fake stuff on April fools day then. Eric won't have a leg to stand on
Again, the extenuating circumstance in this case is that cvic/slade posted great stuff for about a year until turning to crap. So he was cut a lot of slack. We don't want to run off asshats.
That said, he's been batting 0.000 for quite some time now.
the whole time makes it seem like something is up. I really doubt slade has that many supporters. lol. He has been worthless for quite some times now.
And yeah, put me in the camp that says he just should have been banned without a poll. Unless you're 100% certain that the poll can't be rigged but it's obvious that it can be. It let me vote twice, once on my phone and once on my laptop so I'm sure others are getting the same odd things. The only thing we're good at here as far as rules goes is making sure anything political isn't allowed.
Sure, if people are going to take the time and effort to vote from multiple devices, they are going to be able to do that.
Part of my intent to do this was to show people that their view wasn't clearly the majority view... but I had no idea it would be this close.
No one with BBI is messing with this poll.
Eric, I don't think it's limited to once/device. I voted twice on the same device. All I had to do was refresh the thread... Then I came back just now and could vote a 3rd time.
Interesting to see how passionate people are about this...
Get rid of trolls at all costs adherents vs. what's the harm in the entertainment value.
Reminds me of that drag the Eagle guy who I thought was a fake until people started telling me they met him at tailgates. A lot of people wanted him gone while others said, he's real and doing no harm. Then he started posting crap that got him in trouble.
That was Rich in Houston. I don't have the information you do, but some of his posts were very entertaining.
Was sincere in his predictions and false information distribution, he should also have realized this might be a consequence should he be wrong too many times. No sympathy here.
Opinions vary. The front page look is dated but not ridiculously so. We'll upgrade it again at some point.
Personally, I think the content is on par with most other sites. Take for example, Sy's draft previews and the game reviews over the years (Joey, Sy, rnargi, etc). Camp reports used to be better because of Albany - the move to East Rutherford really hurt us there, but this past year gidiefor and Sy did great with the camp reports. Their videocasts from camp were the best I've seen from the various outlets in terms of actual substance and interviews.
During the season, the front page is largely a compilation of the days news... injury report, interviews, transactions... my feeling is that is what most people want... a quick summary of what transpired in the day and they can then pick and choose whether or not they want to dive into a particular interview or article.
The content is great, especially Sy's reports. You can't find that on other sites.
I do go to other sites. I come here for the community and discussion that goes well beyond sports. Appreciate you allowing me to do whatever I want though...
If I am him, I'm probably a little concerned contributing to an entertainment site rather than an actual sports site that reports real info.
Keith --
all sports info sites are considered entertainment.
this site is both an info and discussion site, and by definition that provides entertainment -- now whether the entertainment is good or not - is purely subjective.
Sy is a professional athlete, a Giants fan, and a professional football talent evaluator, and he likes this venue because he gets to share his perspective with fellow fans here, but he also does work professionally for other venues.
The amount of time he spends doing what he does is clearly extensive. The owner of this site knowingly allows fake posters to post fake information for entertainment. That would concern me if I took my job seriously and spent the time that he does.
Who knows, maybe it doesn't concern him, I'm just saying that I wouldn't want to be associated with that.
The amount of time he spends doing what he does is clearly extensive. The owner of this site knowingly allows fake posters to post fake information for entertainment. That would concern me if I took my job seriously and spent the time that he does.
Who knows, maybe it doesn't concern him, I'm just saying that I wouldn't want to be associated with that.
when BBI had a community and could be help up as an example of a great discussion board with intelligent conversations on the Giants as well as the news of the day, economics, and world affairs.
But the trolls and garbage on this site that have been allowed to stay have led to many of the most thoughtful posters leaving or posting far, far less, and so the overall quality of conversation on here has fallen off a cliff.
The owner of this site knowingly allows fake posters to post fake information for entertainment. That would concern me if I took my job seriously and spent the time that he does.
Keith - I love you but you are really making a leap here. Please reread what Eric wrote. He wrote that Slade had been making solid seemingly inside info posts when he first came on the scene here, and that he had been giving him considerable benefit of the doubt because of it, but he also suggested that Slade may have worn out his welcome by being consistently off for a while now.
I'm just stating how I feel. If I am Sy and putting in the work he does, I take that seriously. I don't want to be associated with a site that allows people to do what slade does.
Now I understand the canundrum(sp?) as slade used to be someone that hit on some stuff. If that is the case(and I certainly don't remember that long ago), he clearly has jumped the shark. The only thing Slade hit was Marshall, but it's very clear what he does(sees a news story and then posts some BS in the hopes it comes true). He's been wrong about the OL(mentioned on multiple occassions that we were close to a trade. Hes been wrong on the coach, personnel moves in the offseason, the eraser. NOt only has he been wrong on all of it, there has been no mention of any of it in the press. Don't you think something would have leaked if they were discussing?
That's like saying U2 shouldn't put a music video on youtube Â
I'm just stating how I feel. If I am Sy and putting in the work he does, I take that seriously. I don't want to be associated with a site that allows people to do what slade does.
Now I understand the canundrum(sp?) as slade used to be someone that hit on some stuff. If that is the case(and I certainly don't remember that long ago), he clearly has jumped the shark. The only thing Slade hit was Marshall, but it's very clear what he does(sees a news story and then posts some BS in the hopes it comes true). He's been wrong about the OL(mentioned on multiple occassions that we were close to a trade. Hes been wrong on the coach, personnel moves in the offseason, the eraser. NOt only has he been wrong on all of it, there has been no mention of any of it in the press. Don't you think something would have leaked if they were discussing?
No argument from me -- but if I was a betting man I'd take the odds that Slade will not be posting anymore
1] he is not abusive, unlike some on this site
2] has not picked fights with anyone
3] he is not selling anything
4] whether what he says is true or not, the threads are still entertaining.
5] don't believe him, don't click on his thread
6] Eric, Jim In Tampa at 3:24 said it best:
My First Thought Was To Vote To Ban but since I stopped believing Slade a long time ago and his threads are so entertaining, I voted to let him stay.
I'm especially amused by how many posters continue to believe him after he's been wrong over and over and over again.
It's like watching Lucy hold the football for Charlie Brown.
Poor Charlie Brown. Poor pranked Posters.
Was a poll responsible for insiders being called asshats on here? Â
It is good to be in this community–many would say, it is a privilege. But what does our community really consist of?
Basically, it consists of words. Only words. Words that can make us think happy thoughts or angry ones–words that keep us well informed, and in touch with the rest of the world.
If the words are sometimes mistaken--made in error, that can be forgiven. Nobody is perfect. But as a community we rely on the words to be well intended and factually true, or to be a true expression of a poster’s opinion.
Words that are intentional lies have no place in a community that consists only of words and where all we have to rely on are words.
We have options for Football Topics and Non Football Topics when we post. Why not either a) Create a new "Rumors" tag, so that those people who want to see those posts can check them out, or b) Assign a permanent sticky for "Rumors", and set up rules so that people who want to post "inside information" without a linked source (like Slade) would have to post in that section, and not on the main topic area?
A lot of the outrage here is that people can post "insider" stuff in the main Football topic area, and it's almost impossible to tell if they are trolling, or have real information that may or may not come out the way they posted it. A "Rumors" sticky would avoid that (with the help of the Mods, who could educate new asshats, and discipline those who are abusing it).
It would also make the board a bit friendlier for those "insiders" who like to share information, as there's no reason to attack someone posting in a "Rumors" sticky.
We have options for Football Topics and Non Football Topics when we post. Why not either a) Create a new "Rumors" tag, so that those people who want to see those posts can check them out, or b) Assign a permanent sticky for "Rumors", and set up rules so that people who want to post "inside information" without a linked source (like Slade) would have to post in that section, and not on the main topic area?
A lot of the outrage here is that people can post "insider" stuff in the main Football topic area, and it's almost impossible to tell if they are trolling, or have real information that may or may not come out the way they posted it. A "Rumors" sticky would avoid that (with the help of the Mods, who could educate new asshats, and discipline those who are abusing it).
It would also make the board a bit friendlier for those "insiders" who like to share information, as there's no reason to attack someone posting in a "Rumors" sticky.
I like this idea. I wonder how difficult it would be to implement.
Seriously. The rest of the voting through the day was pretty steady (and was trending toward ban) - in the afternoon, ban started to pull away and then there was a sudden spike in keep. Then the evening spike to put keep over the top? It's odd.
just pouting that they didn't get their pound of flesh. Look, Eric put it to a vote and set the deadline for 8PM. He can certainly respect the outcome of the poll or he can disregard it entirely. His site - His rules. But don't be upset because you didn't get the results that you wanted.
The troll is powerless if you ignore him. And everybody knows it, but for some reason nobody can help themselves, and they waste immense amounts of time bitching about the troll and trying to make it go away.
i dont care either way but did he break any actual rules?
Why are you presuming "he" break any rules? Eric set up the poll to only allow a single vote from a single IP. Sure you could vote from multiple devices, but the poll didn't count multiple votes from the same device. One of the last screens on the poll allowed you to share the poll. It could easily have been shared on someone's facebook feed imploring friends to vote keep. Nothing against the rule. BBI isn't some secret outpost on the interweb.
i dont care either way but did he break any actual rules?
I know you can't post up BS news like "Hall Signs!!!" etc. However, this was posted as asshat info which Slade has been woefully lacking this year (Hankins re-sign)..
RE: It has been said many times that BBI is a community. Â
It is good to be in this community–many would say, it is a privilege. But what does our community really consist of?
Basically, it consists of words. Only words. Words that can make us think happy thoughts or angry ones–words that keep us well informed, and in touch with the rest of the world.
If the words are sometimes mistaken--made in error, that can be forgiven. Nobody is perfect. But as a community we rely on the words to be well intended and factually true, or to be a true expression of a poster’s opinion.
Words that are intentional lies have no place in a community that consists only of words and where all we have to rely on are words.
- Cvic/Slade was about a 0.700 asshat poster a few years ago, including some really obscure stuff.
- When he started batting 0.000, his previous history provided him with cover.
- But his postings has become more frequent and spectacularly false... not even close.
- There has been a long-standing rule on BBI to not deliberately post misleading info. Hence my posts yesterday about him not being long for this site. (Latest rumor being his final shot).
- I started this poll more to show folks that support for banning slade was not as dominant as believed, but I still expected him to lose. (I couldn't believe we were at 50/50 for the bulk of the day).
- Now the result shows him staying and even though there are holes in online polling, my dilemma is whether or not to respect the result (influenced by the fact there is a weird spike in votes) or go with my original instinct.
Now I see why my cat thought the poll idea was stupid.
Personally, I voted to ban him just because it's obvious what he's doing at this point - but I honestly don't care that much where I'd be outraged if he stays. No one is going to take him seriously. He's just going to turn into the next EliteMob where every thread is a trainwreck.
It's obvious that the poll was compromised somehow so it's a double-edged sword. You probably should respect the result of it - but it's hard to do that when it was pretty clearly tampered with somehow.
I will say that he's not plastered all over the board so it's not like an obnoxious poster that is on 9 out of every 10 threads bothering people. He doesn't really bother me, it's just clear that he has no reliable connection at this point (it doesn't seem like he has any at all) so none of his threads can be taken seriously and will just continue to be what they've turned into.
There are posters who are far more annoying than Slade is.
I'd say go with your gut. The board will go on with or without him.
It would be awesome to know how he either spectaculaly gussed right on a number of things, or how someone who once new something has turned totally loco.
Personally, I voted to ban him just because it's obvious what he's doing at this point - but I honestly don't care that much where I'd be outraged if he stays. No one is going to take him seriously. He's just going to turn into the next EliteMob where every thread is a trainwreck.
It's obvious that the poll was compromised somehow so it's a double-edged sword. You probably should respect the result of it - but it's hard to do that when it was pretty clearly tampered with somehow.
I will say that he's not plastered all over the board so it's not like an obnoxious poster that is on 9 out of every 10 threads bothering people. He doesn't really bother me, it's just clear that he has no reliable connection at this point (it doesn't seem like he has any at all) so none of his threads can be taken seriously and will just continue to be what they've turned into.
There are posters who are far more annoying than Slade is.
I'd say go with your gut. The board will go on with or without him.
How come flat out bans for looooong time posters? Maybe people made honest mistakes? Is there a warning system at all?
Limited bans? They can come back in a month and then permanent? I mean who hasn't posted something stupid here when or while they were drunk? Unless they are obvious trolls - just looking for trouble ...
I know, we are all adults and that would be like baby sitting ...
- Cvic/Slade was about a 0.700 asshat poster a few years ago, including some really obscure stuff.
- When he started batting 0.000, his previous history provided him with cover.
- But his postings has become more frequent and spectacularly false... not even close.
- There has been a long-standing rule on BBI to not deliberately post misleading info. Hence my posts yesterday about him not being long for this site. (Latest rumor being his final shot).
- I started this poll more to show folks that support for banning slade was not as dominant as believed, but I still expected him to lose. (I couldn't believe we were at 50/50 for the bulk of the day).
- Now the result shows him staying and even though there are holes in online polling, my dilemma is whether or not to respect the result (influenced by the fact there is a weird spike in votes) or go with my original instinct.
Now I see why my cat thought the poll idea was stupid.
So you didn't like the poll results so you are taking matters into your own hands. Not very honest if you ask me.
- Cvic/Slade was about a 0.700 asshat poster a few years ago, including some really obscure stuff.
- When he started batting 0.000, his previous history provided him with cover.
- But his postings has become more frequent and spectacularly false... not even close.
- There has been a long-standing rule on BBI to not deliberately post misleading info. Hence my posts yesterday about him not being long for this site. (Latest rumor being his final shot).
- I started this poll more to show folks that support for banning slade was not as dominant as believed, but I still expected him to lose. (I couldn't believe we were at 50/50 for the bulk of the day).
- Now the result shows him staying and even though there are holes in online polling, my dilemma is whether or not to respect the result (influenced by the fact there is a weird spike in votes) or go with my original instinct.
Now I see why my cat thought the poll idea was stupid.
So you didn't like the poll results so you are taking matters into your own hands. Not very honest if you ask me.
WTF are you talking about? His account is still active. It's like you go seriously go out of your way to be wrong.
- Cvic/Slade was about a 0.700 asshat poster a few years ago, including some really obscure stuff.
- When he started batting 0.000, his previous history provided him with cover.
- But his postings has become more frequent and spectacularly false... not even close.
- There has been a long-standing rule on BBI to not deliberately post misleading info. Hence my posts yesterday about him not being long for this site. (Latest rumor being his final shot).
- I started this poll more to show folks that support for banning slade was not as dominant as believed, but I still expected him to lose. (I couldn't believe we were at 50/50 for the bulk of the day).
- Now the result shows him staying and even though there are holes in online polling, my dilemma is whether or not to respect the result (influenced by the fact there is a weird spike in votes) or go with my original instinct.
Now I see why my cat thought the poll idea was stupid.
So you didn't like the poll results so you are taking matters into your own hands. Not very honest if you ask me.
WTF are you talking about? His account is still active. It's like you go seriously go out of your way to be wrong.
to suck. People are hanging on this guy's every word even tho he has consistently been wrong for 2 years.
Who are these people? I don't believe anything I hear ... (and only about 1/2 of what I see).
I don't think anybody here hangs onto his every word - especially with his record lately. Most of the stuff Slade says seems obvious anyway. He's harmless.
to suck. People are hanging on this guy's every word even tho he has consistently been wrong for 2 years.
Who are these people? I don't believe anything I hear ... (and only about 1/2 of what I see).
I don't think anybody here hangs onto his every word - especially with his record lately. Most of the stuff Slade says seems obvious anyway. He's harmless.
people are gullable and are Darwin Award winners..lol
RE: If you don't like Slade, don't read his posts Â
But people who seriously wanted him banned? Wow. No wonder the world is so fucked up. You want to ban someone you could just ignore.
I think you have to ask what purpose he serves at this point.
If the only thing a guy is doing here is posting fake inside info and doing it for nothing but attention, he's not bringing anything to this place.
I don't think posters should ever get banned just because they share nuggets they hear that turns out to be false - but it's pretty clear the guy is just trolling the board at this point.
Like I said in an earlier post - he doesn't bother me enough for me to be truly affected one way or another, just not really sure if there's any point in it being a "Slade being Slade..." situation. No one takes any of his threads seriously anymore. So, every one he starts is just going to be a pile on.
nice to know that you followed up. Your first reply implied quite clearly that the First Amendment applied only when the restriction on speech or freedom of the press involved the imprisonment of the speaker. It is apparent that you now concede that this is not the case. The jurisprudence does not yet clearly specify that the control of speech in private media, particularly the now dominant electronic media, will be directly controlled by the application of first amendment principles. My post was brief and to the point, and was intended to remind voters that freedom of speech is an important principle, and that media control should always err on the side of freedom of expression. It was just a reminder to BBI voters that such freedom is fundamental and if there was no harm in what Slade had posted, voters could consider his posts as being amusing and harmless. Of course, a rationally supported ban would be quite appropriate, and if a clear rule was violated eminently justified. Obviously, subject of course to the possible heavy voting irregularity, a good number of those who voted felt that erring on the side of freedom of expression was justified. While I agree with this, I question whether BBI might profit from a stronger ban on contemptuous, ad hominem, and similarly uninformed attacks.
That's pretty cool, isn't it?
Keep
"Refresh" Keep
Repeat..
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a poster from the UK, poster from Jacksonville, CA, etc.
That's pretty cool, isn't it?
Very cool. Someone from New Brunswick just voted. It goes to show the size of the community extends to some varied locales outside of the tri-state area.
Shades of the Warren Sapp click-a-thon...
This...
before getting banned that Slade's getting here.
I have not voted yet, but am wondering if banning Slade will discourage others who potentially have inside information from posting. As annoying as Slade has been recently, do we run the risk of chasing away other insiders?
Interested in your thoughts.
Don't ban the guy. Just don't take anything he says seriously.
I have not voted yet, but am wondering if banning Slade will discourage others who potentially have inside information from posting. As annoying as Slade has been recently, do we run the risk of chasing away other insiders?
Interested in your thoughts.
This same arguement has been going on for literally decades.
Yet you still have people here claiming inside info.
I have not voted yet, but am wondering if banning Slade will discourage others who potentially have inside information from posting. As annoying as Slade has been recently, do we run the risk of chasing away other insiders?
Interested in your thoughts.
I think keeping him will discourage others with information to step forward. When someone has actual information they may hesitate to post here because of the comments directed at Slade. There will be several posters who will assume that it is another troll just trying to get people riled up.
Evidently, you haven't read his posts on the few threads he happens to return to. He should be banned for those alone, is recent bannings are a barometer.
I thought area junk was gone....
just kiddin. he has committed no bannable offense.
Don't ban the guy. Just don't take anything he says seriously.
I can't see how any stupid shit he posts comes close to violating the ToS.
Assert your authority.
Great. Now we're going to have to count hanging chads.
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Slade was known as cvic years back. And under that handle, had a pretty good track record.
I have not voted yet, but am wondering if banning Slade will discourage others who potentially have inside information from posting. As annoying as Slade has been recently, do we run the risk of chasing away other insiders?
Interested in your thoughts.
I think keeping him will discourage others with information to step forward. When someone has actual information they may hesitate to post here because of the comments directed at Slade. There will be several posters who will assume that it is another troll just trying to get people riled up.
Same.
I called it months ago, just Brett, Arc and myself will be running the show here. That's fine with me.
It's pretty pathetic isn't it
This is entertainment at the end of the day. It’s no affecting my finances.
What has hitdog ever done to you?
If not true by then, we find him, take him out and shoot him.
At least he can't post under an alias..Ever. ;-)
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Not sure why everyone gets upset. No need to ban him, he's not abusive or an asshole.
Evidently, you haven't read his posts on the few threads he happens to return to. He should be banned for those alone, is recent bannings are a barometer.
I just dont take him seriously.
So and so says: Mcadoo to be fired.
maybe even
Rumor: McAdoo to be fired
or even
Mens room attendant at MetLife: McAdoo to be fired.
What should no be tolerated is stating as fact
McAdoo to be fired
unless its been reported as fact by a reputable source.
1. Slade is full of it and has no inside info.
2. Slades fake info gets tons of activity on bbi.
3. Nobody comes to bbi for real football info, other than what people post on the forum that's breaking news from other avenues. How many people actually visit the antiquatede home page for football content? I'd guess less than 10% of posters.
4. The actual football content on bbi is severely lacking compared to real football sites.
Having said all that, Slade is a great fit for bbi.
So and so says: Mcadoo to be fired.
maybe even
Rumor: McAdoo to be fired
or even
Mens room attendant at MetLife: McAdoo to be fired.
What should no be tolerated is stating as fact
McAdoo to be fired
unless its been reported as fact by a reputable source.
+1
1. Slade is full of it and has no inside info.
2. Slades fake info gets tons of activity on bbi.
3. Nobody comes to bbi for real football info, other than what people post on the forum that's breaking news from other avenues. How many people actually visit the antiquatede home page for football content? I'd guess less than 10% of posters.
4. The actual football content on bbi is severely lacking compared to real football sites.
Having said all that, Slade is a great fit for bbi.
You'd be surprised at how many BBI'ers tell me they only visit the front page and stay off the Forum.
It's as if this has been going on since 2015, really picked up through 2016, and now in 2017 it has made BBI almost unbearable.
Get rid of trolls at all costs adherents vs. what's the harm in the entertainment value.
Reminds me of that drag the Eagle guy who I thought was a fake until people started telling me they met him at tailgates. A lot of people wanted him gone while others said, he's real and doing no harm. Then he started posting crap that got him in trouble.
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Facts:
1. Slade is full of it and has no inside info.
2. Slades fake info gets tons of activity on bbi.
3. Nobody comes to bbi for real football info, other than what people post on the forum that's breaking news from other avenues. How many people actually visit the antiquatede home page for football content? I'd guess less than 10% of posters.
4. The actual football content on bbi is severely lacking compared to real football sites.
Having said all that, Slade is a great fit for bbi.
You'd be surprised at how many BBI'ers tell me they only visit the front page and stay off the Forum.
I'm sure there are a few grandpas that won't go near this forum and I don't blame them. I'm not sure if you care about my opinion, but you are going in the wrong direction here buddy.
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Slade was known as cvic years back. And under that handle, had a pretty good track record.
I have not voted yet, but am wondering if banning Slade will discourage others who potentially have inside information from posting. As annoying as Slade has been recently, do we run the risk of chasing away other insiders?
Interested in your thoughts.
This same arguement has been going on for literally decades.
Yet you still have people here claiming inside info.
You could very well be right
Personally, I think the content is on par with most other sites. Take for example, Sy's draft previews and the game reviews over the years (Joey, Sy, rnargi, etc). Camp reports used to be better because of Albany - the move to East Rutherford really hurt us there, but this past year gidiefor and Sy did great with the camp reports. Their videocasts from camp were the best I've seen from the various outlets in terms of actual substance and interviews.
During the season, the front page is largely a compilation of the days news... injury report, interviews, transactions... my feeling is that is what most people want... a quick summary of what transpired in the day and they can then pick and choose whether or not they want to dive into a particular interview or article.
Get rid of trolls at all costs adherents vs. what's the harm in the entertainment value.
Reminds me of that drag the Eagle guy who I thought was a fake until people started telling me they met him at tailgates. A lot of people wanted him gone while others said, he's real and doing no harm. Then he started posting crap that got him in trouble.
At least Rich was funny or tried to be.. Slade makes this one liner bold statements with no follow up. I think that is what really infuriates posters. You can be wrong but don't make these bold claims and then disappear without owning it. I think he is a fraud and should be banned.
I'll always cut asshats a lot of slack but it's been a long, long time with slade. His style suggests trolling at this point.
That said, as you can see, it's 50/50 right now with the masses on whether he should stay or go. I was hoping for a more decisive result.
I forget the specific infraction, but he went off the rails on something. It was bad.
I'll always cut asshats a lot of slack but it's been a long, long time with slade. His style suggests trolling at this point.
That said, as you can see, it's 50/50 right now with the masses on whether he should stay or go. I was hoping for a more decisive result.
Maybe do best out of three. I think I want to change my vote, but I forget how I voted.
Others choose to engage such people. That's on them, not the poster.
I have no problem with Slade.
It absolutely does. He posted that McAdoo had already been fired. He's full of it.
So why vote keep?
So and so says: Mcadoo to be fired.
maybe even
Rumor: McAdoo to be fired
or even
Mens room attendant at MetLife: McAdoo to be fired.
What should no be tolerated is stating as fact
McAdoo to be fired
unless its been reported as fact by a reputable source.
This is why I'm adamant he should be banned. I saw the title and almost messaged my friends, who would have roasted me. Eric's been clear that people shouldn't post rumors as facts.
This is the worst I've felt as a Giants fan in a really, really long time, and I certainly am not coming to BBI to hear how Chris Casher's workout went.
LET SLADE LIVE!
If you let this go, then you have to let everything go.
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Interesting to see how passionate people are about this...
Get rid of trolls at all costs adherents vs. what's the harm in the entertainment value.
Reminds me of that drag the Eagle guy who I thought was a fake until people started telling me they met him at tailgates. A lot of people wanted him gone while others said, he's real and doing no harm. Then he started posting crap that got him in trouble.
At least Rich was funny or tried to be.. Slade makes this one liner bold statements with no follow up. I think that is what really infuriates posters. You can be wrong but don't make these bold claims and then disappear without owning it. I think he is a fraud and should be banned.
Rich didn't just try to be funny - he posted after one game that he knew first hand Osi needed surgery (and to have pins inserted into his leg) and was going to be out for the season.
Didn't happen, obviously. Apparently, the alleyway behind the Tick Tock Diner was not the hotspot for NFL intel he thought it was.
Agreed. It's either Slade himself using proxy servers to vote (which would be quite the effort) or the lurkers who don't really have skin in the game.
This board is worse with Slade than without. He's a bonafide troll.
The image of the turkey leg going through the TV screen makes me laugh, though.
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I voted keep, tho he deserves to be banned probly
So why vote keep?
Good question, I actually just voted a 2nd time and voted Ban. So hopefully it evens out.
All Ban posters, hit the polls now! The votes are needed!
I don't care...
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I voted keep, tho he deserves to be banned probly
So why vote keep?
Good question, I actually just voted a 2nd time and voted Ban. So hopefully it evens out.
All Ban posters, hit the polls now! The votes are needed!
Admitted voter fraud!
That's not how that works. No one is voting to imprison Slade.
What a shame that people use that justification without understanding what it means.
Mob rule is turning on me too.
The image of the turkey leg going through the TV screen makes me laugh, though.
It shouldn't have been funny, but the stories about the dad with the Schlitz cans made me giggle uncontrollably - I'm already going to hell, so whatever.
Is there a site policy, or isn't there?
Everything else aside, this is not about what the troll does.
It's about how the website handles it.
Can the BBI community count on the site to handle things consistently, reliably, and according to stated policy? Or can't they?
What's the message this site wants to send to the next troll? Go ahead -- you might not get voted off the island.
I've run a web community that's almost as old as this one, and one thing I've learned is that if you establish site rules, you damn-well better enforce them consistently. If you don't, the assholes take advantage of that situation, and the good members lose respect for the site and its hosts.
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are embarrassing.
Agreed. It's either Slade himself using proxy servers to vote (which would be quite the effort) or the lurkers who don't really have skin in the game.
This board is worse with Slade than without. He's a bonafide troll.
Mostly lurker here who voted to keep him, mostly to piss off people like you with "skin in the game". It's an online forum about a sports team for fuks sake. Get over yourselves.
Funny stuff.
Is there a site policy, or isn't there?
Everything else aside, this is not about what the troll does.
It's about how the website handles it.
Can the BBI community count on the site to handle things consistently, reliably, and according to stated policy? Or can't they?
What's the message this site wants to send to the next troll? Go ahead -- you might not get voted off the island.
I've run a web community that's almost as old as this one, and one thing I've learned is that if you establish site rules, you damn-well better enforce them consistently. If you don't, the assholes take advantage of that situation, and the good members lose respect for the site and its hosts.
+ 1,000,000
WTF has BBI become? A place where great posters are banished but putzes like Slade and a host of other horrific posters can foul the site routinely? Really pathetic.
Is there a site policy, or isn't there?
Everything else aside, this is not about what the troll does.
It's about how the website handles it.
Can the BBI community count on the site to handle things consistently, reliably, and according to stated policy? Or can't they?
What's the message this site wants to send to the next troll? Go ahead -- you might not get voted off the island.
I've run a web community that's almost as old as this one, and one thing I've learned is that if you establish site rules, you damn-well better enforce them consistently. If you don't, the assholes take advantage of that situation, and the good members lose respect for the site and its hosts.
Exactly
Who is or is not a "good poster" depends on who you ask.
What I see on this site is a group of crusty old veterans who think that because they have been here longer or post more often that that somehow means they are generally smarter overall or when it comes to football.
Why not let Eric run his website the way he wants and maybe leave if you don't like it?
That remains an idiotic rule.
Ohh no someone tried to make a joke! JFC I don't understand how some of you make it through the day.
And yeah, put me in the camp that says he just should have been banned without a poll. Unless you're 100% certain that the poll can't be rigged but it's obvious that it can be. It let me vote twice, once on my phone and once on my laptop so I'm sure others are getting the same odd things. The only thing we're good at here as far as rules goes is making sure anything political isn't allowed.
A decision overturning government restrictions on social media is far from apples to apples with regards to a message board community self managing its policies. The first amendment protects citizens from the government on matters of free speech. It does not prevent private business owners from determining how they want to run their company (or message board, in this case). If the government was stepping in to ban Slade, your example might - MIGHT - hold water, but that's not what's happening here.
And yeah, put me in the camp that says he just should have been banned without a poll. Unless you're 100% certain that the poll can't be rigged but it's obvious that it can be. It let me vote twice, once on my phone and once on my laptop so I'm sure others are getting the same odd things. The only thing we're good at here as far as rules goes is making sure anything political isn't allowed.
Sure, if people are going to take the time and effort to vote from multiple devices, they are going to be able to do that.
Part of my intent to do this was to show people that their view wasn't clearly the majority view... but I had no idea it would be this close.
No one with BBI is messing with this poll.
Again, the extenuating circumstance in this case is that cvic/slade posted great stuff for about a year until turning to crap. So he was cut a lot of slack. We don't want to run off asshats.
That said, he's been batting 0.000 for quite some time now.
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the whole time makes it seem like something is up. I really doubt slade has that many supporters. lol. He has been worthless for quite some times now.
And yeah, put me in the camp that says he just should have been banned without a poll. Unless you're 100% certain that the poll can't be rigged but it's obvious that it can be. It let me vote twice, once on my phone and once on my laptop so I'm sure others are getting the same odd things. The only thing we're good at here as far as rules goes is making sure anything political isn't allowed.
Sure, if people are going to take the time and effort to vote from multiple devices, they are going to be able to do that.
Part of my intent to do this was to show people that their view wasn't clearly the majority view... but I had no idea it would be this close.
No one with BBI is messing with this poll.
Eric, I don't think it's limited to once/device. I voted twice on the same device. All I had to do was refresh the thread... Then I came back just now and could vote a 3rd time.
I'm actually just amused that it's like this.
Get rid of trolls at all costs adherents vs. what's the harm in the entertainment value.
Reminds me of that drag the Eagle guy who I thought was a fake until people started telling me they met him at tailgates. A lot of people wanted him gone while others said, he's real and doing no harm. Then he started posting crap that got him in trouble.
That was Rich in Houston. I don't have the information you do, but some of his posts were very entertaining.
Regardless, I'm sure some people are voting more than once.
Personally, I think the content is on par with most other sites. Take for example, Sy's draft previews and the game reviews over the years (Joey, Sy, rnargi, etc). Camp reports used to be better because of Albany - the move to East Rutherford really hurt us there, but this past year gidiefor and Sy did great with the camp reports. Their videocasts from camp were the best I've seen from the various outlets in terms of actual substance and interviews.
During the season, the front page is largely a compilation of the days news... injury report, interviews, transactions... my feeling is that is what most people want... a quick summary of what transpired in the day and they can then pick and choose whether or not they want to dive into a particular interview or article.
The content is great, especially Sy's reports. You can't find that on other sites.
Regardless, I'm sure some people are voting more than once.
It allows you to vote again, but the vote is not registered in the totals.
Also, I never knew until today that Slade was/is cvic.
Nobody is holding you hostage here.. Feel free to go to those "real" news sites...
www.bunchaaholes.com
I'm especially amused by how many posters continue to believe him after he's been wrong over and over and over again.
It's like watching Lucy hold the football for Charlie Brown.
Keith --
all sports info sites are considered entertainment.
this site is both an info and discussion site, and by definition that provides entertainment -- now whether the entertainment is good or not - is purely subjective.
Sy is a professional athlete, a Giants fan, and a professional football talent evaluator, and he likes this venue because he gets to share his perspective with fellow fans here, but he also does work professionally for other venues.
Who knows, maybe it doesn't concern him, I'm just saying that I wouldn't want to be associated with that.
Who knows, maybe it doesn't concern him, I'm just saying that I wouldn't want to be associated with that.
How does one impact the other?
How are they associated with each other?
But the trolls and garbage on this site that have been allowed to stay have led to many of the most thoughtful posters leaving or posting far, far less, and so the overall quality of conversation on here has fallen off a cliff.
Keith - I love you but you are really making a leap here. Please reread what Eric wrote. He wrote that Slade had been making solid seemingly inside info posts when he first came on the scene here, and that he had been giving him considerable benefit of the doubt because of it, but he also suggested that Slade may have worn out his welcome by being consistently off for a while now.
Now I understand the canundrum(sp?) as slade used to be someone that hit on some stuff. If that is the case(and I certainly don't remember that long ago), he clearly has jumped the shark. The only thing Slade hit was Marshall, but it's very clear what he does(sees a news story and then posts some BS in the hopes it comes true). He's been wrong about the OL(mentioned on multiple occassions that we were close to a trade. Hes been wrong on the coach, personnel moves in the offseason, the eraser. NOt only has he been wrong on all of it, there has been no mention of any of it in the press. Don't you think something would have leaked if they were discussing?
Now I understand the canundrum(sp?) as slade used to be someone that hit on some stuff. If that is the case(and I certainly don't remember that long ago), he clearly has jumped the shark. The only thing Slade hit was Marshall, but it's very clear what he does(sees a news story and then posts some BS in the hopes it comes true). He's been wrong about the OL(mentioned on multiple occassions that we were close to a trade. Hes been wrong on the coach, personnel moves in the offseason, the eraser. NOt only has he been wrong on all of it, there has been no mention of any of it in the press. Don't you think something would have leaked if they were discussing?
No argument from me -- but if I was a betting man I'd take the odds that Slade will not be posting anymore
My wife just asked the same thing... We're both kind of laughing about this.
8PM sound good?
The poll I'd like to see is which faux-insider BBI would prefer... Slade or area junk.
LOL... no, I'm a dinosaur. I had a piece of crap cellphone for a while but never turned it on.
2] has not picked fights with anyone
3] he is not selling anything
4] whether what he says is true or not, the threads are still entertaining.
5] don't believe him, don't click on his thread
6] Eric, Jim In Tampa at 3:24 said it best:
My First Thought Was To Vote To Ban but since I stopped believing Slade a long time ago and his threads are so entertaining, I voted to let him stay.
I'm especially amused by how many posters continue to believe him after he's been wrong over and over and over again.
It's like watching Lucy hold the football for Charlie Brown.
Poor Charlie Brown. Poor pranked Posters.
That one still confuses me.
:)
Umm no it not, they are not working together in any way shape or form. Nor does it appear that they are.
And the Ron Mexico band fucking rocks!
Lol Shep is back! We needed you off the IR
Basically, it consists of words. Only words. Words that can make us think happy thoughts or angry ones–words that keep us well informed, and in touch with the rest of the world.
If the words are sometimes mistaken--made in error, that can be forgiven. Nobody is perfect. But as a community we rely on the words to be well intended and factually true, or to be a true expression of a poster’s opinion.
Words that are intentional lies have no place in a community that consists only of words and where all we have to rely on are words.
Except many voted multiple times committing voting fraud.
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Finally, a democracy that works!
Except many voted multiple times committing voting fraud.
Art imitating life.
A lot of the outrage here is that people can post "insider" stuff in the main Football topic area, and it's almost impossible to tell if they are trolling, or have real information that may or may not come out the way they posted it. A "Rumors" sticky would avoid that (with the help of the Mods, who could educate new asshats, and discipline those who are abusing it).
It would also make the board a bit friendlier for those "insiders" who like to share information, as there's no reason to attack someone posting in a "Rumors" sticky.
A lot of the outrage here is that people can post "insider" stuff in the main Football topic area, and it's almost impossible to tell if they are trolling, or have real information that may or may not come out the way they posted it. A "Rumors" sticky would avoid that (with the help of the Mods, who could educate new asshats, and discipline those who are abusing it).
It would also make the board a bit friendlier for those "insiders" who like to share information, as there's no reason to attack someone posting in a "Rumors" sticky.
I like this idea. I wonder how difficult it would be to implement.
Which way did your cat vote???
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Finally, a democracy that works!
Except many voted multiple times committing voting fraud.
Those two voting spikes sure are interesting, both when "keep" was way behind.
As of 9:08PM, it looks like more people want him to stay. I was sure he was toast.
When I last checked, he was losing. I was actually coming on to ban him and checked one more time and was surprised he pulled ahead.
Spike, you can't. It's called double jeopardy.
Am I allowed to make a joke about Russians hacking the poll?
(If not, I take it back)
The troll is powerless if you ignore him. And everybody knows it, but for some reason nobody can help themselves, and they waste immense amounts of time bitching about the troll and trying to make it go away.
And the troll flourishes.
Why are you presuming "he" break any rules? Eric set up the poll to only allow a single vote from a single IP. Sure you could vote from multiple devices, but the poll didn't count multiple votes from the same device. One of the last screens on the poll allowed you to share the poll. It could easily have been shared on someone's facebook feed imploring friends to vote keep. Nothing against the rule. BBI isn't some secret outpost on the interweb.
I know you can't post up BS news like "Hall Signs!!!" etc. However, this was posted as asshat info which Slade has been woefully lacking this year (Hankins re-sign)..
Basically, it consists of words. Only words. Words that can make us think happy thoughts or angry ones–words that keep us well informed, and in touch with the rest of the world.
If the words are sometimes mistaken--made in error, that can be forgiven. Nobody is perfect. But as a community we rely on the words to be well intended and factually true, or to be a true expression of a poster’s opinion.
Words that are intentional lies have no place in a community that consists only of words and where all we have to rely on are words.
Brilliant.
- Cvic/Slade was about a 0.700 asshat poster a few years ago, including some really obscure stuff.
- When he started batting 0.000, his previous history provided him with cover.
- But his postings has become more frequent and spectacularly false... not even close.
- There has been a long-standing rule on BBI to not deliberately post misleading info. Hence my posts yesterday about him not being long for this site. (Latest rumor being his final shot).
- I started this poll more to show folks that support for banning slade was not as dominant as believed, but I still expected him to lose. (I couldn't believe we were at 50/50 for the bulk of the day).
- Now the result shows him staying and even though there are holes in online polling, my dilemma is whether or not to respect the result (influenced by the fact there is a weird spike in votes) or go with my original instinct.
Now I see why my cat thought the poll idea was stupid.
It's obvious that the poll was compromised somehow so it's a double-edged sword. You probably should respect the result of it - but it's hard to do that when it was pretty clearly tampered with somehow.
I will say that he's not plastered all over the board so it's not like an obnoxious poster that is on 9 out of every 10 threads bothering people. He doesn't really bother me, it's just clear that he has no reliable connection at this point (it doesn't seem like he has any at all) so none of his threads can be taken seriously and will just continue to be what they've turned into.
There are posters who are far more annoying than Slade is.
I'd say go with your gut. The board will go on with or without him.
It's obvious that the poll was compromised somehow so it's a double-edged sword. You probably should respect the result of it - but it's hard to do that when it was pretty clearly tampered with somehow.
I will say that he's not plastered all over the board so it's not like an obnoxious poster that is on 9 out of every 10 threads bothering people. He doesn't really bother me, it's just clear that he has no reliable connection at this point (it doesn't seem like he has any at all) so none of his threads can be taken seriously and will just continue to be what they've turned into.
There are posters who are far more annoying than Slade is.
I'd say go with your gut. The board will go on with or without him.
Nice post, arc.
When I last checked, he was losing. I was actually coming on to ban him and checked one more time and was surprised he pulled ahead.
Adding to the suspicious nature of that spike, his most recent thread came immediately after it if you follow the timestamps.
Limited bans? They can come back in a month and then permanent? I mean who hasn't posted something stupid here when or while they were drunk? Unless they are obvious trolls - just looking for trouble ...
I know, we are all adults and that would be like baby sitting ...
- Cvic/Slade was about a 0.700 asshat poster a few years ago, including some really obscure stuff.
- When he started batting 0.000, his previous history provided him with cover.
- But his postings has become more frequent and spectacularly false... not even close.
- There has been a long-standing rule on BBI to not deliberately post misleading info. Hence my posts yesterday about him not being long for this site. (Latest rumor being his final shot).
- I started this poll more to show folks that support for banning slade was not as dominant as believed, but I still expected him to lose. (I couldn't believe we were at 50/50 for the bulk of the day).
- Now the result shows him staying and even though there are holes in online polling, my dilemma is whether or not to respect the result (influenced by the fact there is a weird spike in votes) or go with my original instinct.
Now I see why my cat thought the poll idea was stupid.
So you didn't like the poll results so you are taking matters into your own hands. Not very honest if you ask me.
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This was my thought process earlier today:
- Cvic/Slade was about a 0.700 asshat poster a few years ago, including some really obscure stuff.
- When he started batting 0.000, his previous history provided him with cover.
- But his postings has become more frequent and spectacularly false... not even close.
- There has been a long-standing rule on BBI to not deliberately post misleading info. Hence my posts yesterday about him not being long for this site. (Latest rumor being his final shot).
- I started this poll more to show folks that support for banning slade was not as dominant as believed, but I still expected him to lose. (I couldn't believe we were at 50/50 for the bulk of the day).
- Now the result shows him staying and even though there are holes in online polling, my dilemma is whether or not to respect the result (influenced by the fact there is a weird spike in votes) or go with my original instinct.
Now I see why my cat thought the poll idea was stupid.
So you didn't like the poll results so you are taking matters into your own hands. Not very honest if you ask me.
WTF are you talking about? His account is still active. It's like you go seriously go out of your way to be wrong.
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In comment 13684388 Eric from BBI said:
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This was my thought process earlier today:
- Cvic/Slade was about a 0.700 asshat poster a few years ago, including some really obscure stuff.
- When he started batting 0.000, his previous history provided him with cover.
- But his postings has become more frequent and spectacularly false... not even close.
- There has been a long-standing rule on BBI to not deliberately post misleading info. Hence my posts yesterday about him not being long for this site. (Latest rumor being his final shot).
- I started this poll more to show folks that support for banning slade was not as dominant as believed, but I still expected him to lose. (I couldn't believe we were at 50/50 for the bulk of the day).
- Now the result shows him staying and even though there are holes in online polling, my dilemma is whether or not to respect the result (influenced by the fact there is a weird spike in votes) or go with my original instinct.
Now I see why my cat thought the poll idea was stupid.
So you didn't like the poll results so you are taking matters into your own hands. Not very honest if you ask me.
WTF are you talking about? His account is still active. It's like you go seriously go out of your way to be wrong.
*Disregard either "go" that you prefer.
But people who seriously wanted him banned? Wow. No wonder the world is so fucked up. You want to ban someone you could just ignore.
Who are these people? I don't believe anything I hear ... (and only about 1/2 of what I see).
I don't think anybody here hangs onto his every word - especially with his record lately. Most of the stuff Slade says seems obvious anyway. He's harmless.
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to suck. People are hanging on this guy's every word even tho he has consistently been wrong for 2 years.
Who are these people? I don't believe anything I hear ... (and only about 1/2 of what I see).
I don't think anybody here hangs onto his every word - especially with his record lately. Most of the stuff Slade says seems obvious anyway. He's harmless.
people are gullable and are Darwin Award winners..lol
But people who seriously wanted him banned? Wow. No wonder the world is so fucked up. You want to ban someone you could just ignore.
I think you have to ask what purpose he serves at this point.
If the only thing a guy is doing here is posting fake inside info and doing it for nothing but attention, he's not bringing anything to this place.
I don't think posters should ever get banned just because they share nuggets they hear that turns out to be false - but it's pretty clear the guy is just trolling the board at this point.
Like I said in an earlier post - he doesn't bother me enough for me to be truly affected one way or another, just not really sure if there's any point in it being a "Slade being Slade..." situation. No one takes any of his threads seriously anymore. So, every one he starts is just going to be a pile on.