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Matt M. : 11/9/2017 2:08 pm
Maybe I missed the explanation, but myself and a few other posters asked what happened to Chris in Philly when it was mentioned he was banned last week. There was even a thread, which I can no longer find, dedicated to this inquiry at one point. But, again, I never saw an explanation and I would very much like to know as he is a long time poster I enjoy reading.
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RE: RE: I love liverwurst  
Sonic Youth : 11/9/2017 6:54 pm : link
In comment 13684157 leatherneck570 said:
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In comment 13684109 Eric from BBI said:


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Appreciate the kind words, but that post doesn't help. Again, leave the politics off of the site.



Mentioning Trump gets you banned and liverwurst's post gets a warning. The rules around here are clear as mud. It's no wonder why everyone worth a shit is leaving.
Amen. If politics gets you banned, then how the fuck is liverwurst not banned off the site from that post?

And before you get your panties in a bunch liverwurst, no, my feelings aren't hurt and I'm not "entitled". Just calling out the hypocrisy.

Replace "Democrats" with "Republicans" and "progressive mentality" with "conservative mentality" and I wonder how well it would go over
RE: RE: RE: jcn  
leatherneck570 : 11/9/2017 6:54 pm : link
In comment 13684164 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 13684104 I love liverwurst said:


Fucking stupid and fucking idiotic.


Yeah liberals are.
I'm just trying to get on Eric's good side  
leatherneck570 : 11/9/2017 6:55 pm : link
so I don't get banned.

Isn't that how it works?
Sonic, to be fair to Eric...  
Overseer : 11/9/2017 6:58 pm : link
it's likely he sees liverwurst for the vapid simp that he is and thus feels it necessary to go easy on him.

I confess I feel slightly bad for him myself. It must suck to have to trudge through life with such an imperceptible degree of intellect.

RE: Sonic, to be fair to Eric...  
BrettNYG10 : 11/9/2017 6:59 pm : link
In comment 13684177 Overseer said:
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it's likely he sees liverwurst for the vapid simp that he is and thus feels it necessary to go easy on him.

I confess I feel slightly bad for him myself. It must suck to have to trudge through life with such an imperceptible degree of intellect.


It does. :(
Some of you guys blame Eric  
EricJ : 11/9/2017 7:03 pm : link
for the political discussion ban here. The problem though is there are too many members who simply cannot engage in a civil discussion around politics. It always ends up in a personal attack or something nasty. I am on other forums and there are not only political discussions but some have political forums within those sites. Rarely do people make personal attacks. It is kept respectful....not here.

What you can't measure are the number of potential new frequent users who are driven off by a handful of individuals who want to turn this into their own online bar brawl. Although there may have been a few old long time posters who got banned, Eric said this is a business. Not saying that I fully understand where his site revenue comes from but there are ads and more people = more traffic = more $$
RE: Some of you guys blame Eric  
leatherneck570 : 11/9/2017 7:14 pm : link
In comment 13684185 EricJ said:
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for the political discussion ban here. The problem though is there are too many members who simply cannot engage in a civil discussion around politics. It always ends up in a personal attack or something nasty. I am on other forums and there are not only political discussions but some have political forums within those sites. Rarely do people make personal attacks. It is kept respectful....not here.

What you can't measure are the number of potential new frequent users who are driven off by a handful of individuals who want to turn this into their own online bar brawl. Although there may have been a few old long time posters who got banned, Eric said this is a business. Not saying that I fully understand where his site revenue comes from but there are ads and more people = more traffic = more $$


Wrong. There is no political ban. If there was, liverwurst would be gone right now.
Or maybe  
leatherneck570 : 11/9/2017 7:16 pm : link
Thick headed people, also known as "Republicans", are ok with being hypocrites.
Waaaaaaahhhhh...  
BamaBlue : 11/9/2017 7:29 pm : link
where's the BBI safe zone?
RE: RE: RE: jcn  
I love liverwurst : 11/9/2017 7:34 pm : link
In comment 13684164 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 13684104 I love liverwurst said:


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In comment 13684063 Eric from BBI said:


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No, it's not good for BBI.

They think they can go all scorched earth here and take down BBI. The thing is this: I don't care. This started off in 1995 as a labor of love that eventually turned into a business. But I've always said that once it becomes too emotionally expensive to run, I'm out. I've had a great run with the site and hope to keep it going for another decade, but I can walk away.

So I have nothing to lose by banning children who want to keep testing one of the few rules I have in place. If they somehow sabotage the site, I guess they can enjoy their time at Giants.com or some other Giants website, but that's on them.

But they are not going to pressure me to change the rules by constantly misbehaving and testing me.

Take personal responsibility for your own actions.




Eric, truer words couldn't have been spoken!! Unfortunately, the mentality of the " Entitled" is running rampant on this web-page, some people would refer to them as Democrats.

Let's face it, the Giants are a New York Team, a big portion of the fan base in the Tri-State area is full of a progressive mentality. They think the world revolves around their feelings and ideas, however, it doesn't.

I think you're doing a wonderful job here and look forward to the insightful information that I find.

Thank You

Not that it bothers me or that I give a shit, I find it incredible that the mere mention of Manafort and Moore in a post leads to a little warning of "that's what got CiP kicked off"

But this garbage post which is goes above mentioning individuals but is overtly political against "Democrats" and "progressive" isn't ban-worthy... simply a "nice post that doesn't help"

Don't care and I don't think your biased with you ban in terms of politics but it's definitely inconsistent in your response alone.

Sounds like Liverwurst cracked the code! Democrats and progressives are entitled pussies! That's a hot fucking take you got there, brotha.

Fucking stupid and fucking idiotic.



I'm really glad it doesn't bother you! For something that doesn't bother someone, you sure seem to be pretty emotional and angry over it? "Fucking stupid and idiotic"?

You just don't get it, do you? Your opinion means nothing.. Life isn't fair, get over it and go back to hair dresser school tomorrow with a positive attitude, your boyfriend will thank you for it.
Big Breitbart Interactive  
well...bye TC : 11/9/2017 7:38 pm : link
has been this way for years. There is good team info and some interesting local stuff as wel. You just have to look past the POV and get what you can.
Best fucking thread I've read on BB8 in months!  
aquidneck : 11/9/2017 7:57 pm : link
Definitely worth reading. I'll come back again and again as long as it's up.
.  
Bill2 : 11/9/2017 8:10 pm : link
simp?

You mean simo?
RE: During the bye week, I tried to get banned...  
section125 : 11/9/2017 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13683886 Big Blue Blogger said:
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...with a Paul Manafort reference. That didn't work. Anybody for a discussion of Roy Moore's pedophilia?

Sorry... alleged pedophilia.


or - is it statutory rape....or a ploy to help the competitor?
RE: RE: If Chris in Philly isn't reinstated  
Rover : 11/9/2017 8:22 pm : link
In comment 13683906 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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In comment 13683783 EagleFanDan said:


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then I'm leaving too! FREE CiP!



I thought you left...good to see you. Hope all is well

Oh God, IgglefanDan, yuck, ugh
RE: RE: jcn  
Les in TO : 11/9/2017 8:25 pm : link
In comment 13684104 I love liverwurst said:
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In comment 13684063 Eric from BBI said:


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No, it's not good for BBI.

They think they can go all scorched earth here and take down BBI. The thing is this: I don't care. This started off in 1995 as a labor of love that eventually turned into a business. But I've always said that once it becomes too emotionally expensive to run, I'm out. I've had a great run with the site and hope to keep it going for another decade, but I can walk away.

So I have nothing to lose by banning children who want to keep testing one of the few rules I have in place. If they somehow sabotage the site, I guess they can enjoy their time at Giants.com or some other Giants website, but that's on them.

But they are not going to pressure me to change the rules by constantly misbehaving and testing me.

Take personal responsibility for your own actions.




Eric, truer words couldn't have been spoken!! Unfortunately, the mentality of the " Entitled" is running rampant on this web-page, some people would refer to them as Democrats.

Let's face it, the Giants are a New York Team, a big portion of the fan base in the Tri-State area is full of a progressive mentality. They think the world revolves around their feelings and ideas, however, it doesn't.

I think you're doing a wonderful job here and look forward to the insightful information that I find.

Thank You
wow you are a troll on par with your fake president! Congrats!
RE: Big Breitbart Interactive  
section125 : 11/9/2017 8:27 pm : link
In comment 13684230 well...bye TC said:
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has been this way for years. There is good team info and some interesting local stuff as wel. You just have to look past the POV and get what you can.


Good Lord, Sonic Youth and Overseer are the pots calling the kettles.....
Look Eric’s rules are necessary because  
Dave on the UWS : 11/9/2017 8:36 pm : link
the “children” here have shown over the years that they can’t play nice in the sandbox. Having spent some time with Eric at camp,etc I can say with conviction that he’s a really good guy I consider a friend. Politically we share diametrically opposes points of view and we had a few discussions PRIVATELY during the campaign via email. It was NEVER done on BBI (and it never will). The forum is for football and fairly generic NFT period. Its not hard keep this straight.
Liverwurst  
B in ALB : 11/9/2017 8:38 pm : link
Is the worst.

Mention politics - as long as it aligns with a certain position - you get a pass.

CiP gets banned. Meanwhile, trolls, malcontents, fake insiders and kiss asses remain, get polls, and the benefit of the doubt.

Great stuff.
Again  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/9/2017 8:45 pm : link
with the confirmation bias. And you guys can't even see it in the same thread.

Did Blogger not also get a warning?
RE: RE: RE: RE: jcn  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/9/2017 9:14 pm : link
In comment 13684227 I love liverwurst said:
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In comment 13684164 Sonic Youth said:


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In comment 13684104 I love liverwurst said:


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In comment 13684063 Eric from BBI said:


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No, it's not good for BBI.

They think they can go all scorched earth here and take down BBI. The thing is this: I don't care. This started off in 1995 as a labor of love that eventually turned into a business. But I've always said that once it becomes too emotionally expensive to run, I'm out. I've had a great run with the site and hope to keep it going for another decade, but I can walk away.

So I have nothing to lose by banning children who want to keep testing one of the few rules I have in place. If they somehow sabotage the site, I guess they can enjoy their time at Giants.com or some other Giants website, but that's on them.

But they are not going to pressure me to change the rules by constantly misbehaving and testing me.

Take personal responsibility for your own actions.




Eric, truer words couldn't have been spoken!! Unfortunately, the mentality of the " Entitled" is running rampant on this web-page, some people would refer to them as Democrats.

Let's face it, the Giants are a New York Team, a big portion of the fan base in the Tri-State area is full of a progressive mentality. They think the world revolves around their feelings and ideas, however, it doesn't.

I think you're doing a wonderful job here and look forward to the insightful information that I find.

Thank You

Not that it bothers me or that I give a shit, I find it incredible that the mere mention of Manafort and Moore in a post leads to a little warning of "that's what got CiP kicked off"

But this garbage post which is goes above mentioning individuals but is overtly political against "Democrats" and "progressive" isn't ban-worthy... simply a "nice post that doesn't help"

Don't care and I don't think your biased with you ban in terms of politics but it's definitely inconsistent in your response alone.

Sounds like Liverwurst cracked the code! Democrats and progressives are entitled pussies! That's a hot fucking take you got there, brotha.

Fucking stupid and fucking idiotic.




I'm really glad it doesn't bother you! For something that doesn't bother someone, you sure seem to be pretty emotional and angry over it? "Fucking stupid and idiotic"?

You just don't get it, do you? Your opinion means nothing.. Life isn't fair, get over it and go back to hair dresser school tomorrow with a positive attitude, your boyfriend will thank you for it.

Really struggling to see how this sort of crap is acceptable.
Liver does this same liberal rant  
Modus Operandi : 11/9/2017 9:20 pm : link
On every thread he posts.
RE: Liver does this same liberal rant  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/9/2017 9:24 pm : link
In comment 13684340 Modus Operandi said:
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On every thread he posts.


If he does it again, e-mail me and he's gone.
RE: RE: RE: jcn  
Giants_ROK : 11/9/2017 9:26 pm : link
In comment 13684282 Les in TO said:
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wow you are a troll on par with your fake president! Congrats!

RE: RE: Liver does this same liberal rant  
Modus Operandi : 11/9/2017 9:39 pm : link
In comment 13684344 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13684340 Modus Operandi said:


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On every thread he posts.



If he does it again, e-mail me and he's gone.


In my 20 years here, I've emailed you exactly once - when someone went in and edited the "Letters to the Editor" part of the page. That was years ago. I've never emailed you about a posted and don't plan to.
Big Baby Interactive.  
madgiantscow009 : 11/9/2017 10:07 pm : link
Modus  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/9/2017 10:09 pm : link
Then if I see him make such a post, I will get rid of him, but I don't read every post. Again, if you want to be sure the moderation team sees a problematic post, you (or someone) should e-mail us.
RE: Modus  
jcn56 : 11/9/2017 10:20 pm : link
In comment 13684382 Eric from BBI said:
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Then if I see him make such a post, I will get rid of him, but I don't read every post. Again, if you want to be sure the moderation team sees a problematic post, you (or someone) should e-mail us.


So you didn't read this thread? Do you need an e-mail for this one?

I seriously hope your bias is intentional - because if it isn't, you're so tone deaf it's astounding.
jcn  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/9/2017 10:35 pm : link
I didn't ban ANYONE for a number of problematic posts in this thread. I officially warned two people and should have warned a third.

I saw the "warning" you're referring to  
jcn56 : 11/9/2017 10:45 pm : link
very stern.

We all know it's a dupe - I'll assume you're looking out for Rocky, but that's just a guess.

It's your site, more power to you - but don't be surprised when people don't want to stick around for it. And if that's the route you go, you might want to consider being up front about it.
jcn  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/9/2017 10:48 pm : link
You see what you want to see.

If you think this place is so mismanaged, just leave.

Quite frankly, I'm tired of the childish complaints.
RE: jcn  
jcn56 : 11/9/2017 10:51 pm : link
In comment 13684409 Eric from BBI said:
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You see what you want to see.

If you think this place is so mismanaged, just leave.

Quite frankly, I'm tired of the childish complaints.


Gotcha - enjoy your time with Rocky, just don't leave him alone with the kids.
I  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/9/2017 10:55 pm : link
see no evidence that liver is rocky. If you have something on that, please e-mail us (moderator e-mail will send it to all of us and we can look at IP and location info in greater detail).
I've seen at least one inciteful post from liver outside this thread  
Banks : 11/9/2017 11:03 pm : link
but if you want Eric to ban based on this thread, you have about half a dozen people in trouble.
Eh, just send yourself an email...  
trueblueinpw : 11/9/2017 11:34 pm : link
Talking politics is largely an excercise in pontification and bloviating - it changes next to nothing and serves mostly as a basis for inaction and further division. People who continue to belly ache about the no politics rule are basically complaining because they can’t talk to themselves. Just go to Reddit for goodness sake - it has all the politics you crave. Read it, post and flame away to your hearts content! And then sit back and watch absolutely nothing change.
Eric, I need to say that I agree with others that your bias  
yatqb : 11/9/2017 11:40 pm : link
comes through very clearly...but I believe that you don't see it. And I don't think that any feedback you have gotten or will get will lead you to see it.

Imo the inconsistency of your reactions to people's posts is driving a lot of great posters away.

One doesn't need to mention Republicans, Democrats, Trump, Clinton, Sanders or anyone else in order to create a political post that is hostile and clearly meant to incite the opposing side of the political spectrum. Yet you seem to ignore may such posts while reacting strongly to those that are not congruent with your political perspective. And your excuse often is that "I didn't see it, email me" when in some cases it is obvious that you had seen it (and in some cases responded on the same thread).

You'll likely label this confirmation bias, but I tried my best to address this respectfully. I've said on several occasions lately that great posters are being banned or making themselves absent from the site, while attention whores and worthless posters remain ad nauseum. And imo that's too bad, because BBI was a better place when those great posters were around.
^^^  
Del Shofner : 11/9/2017 11:46 pm : link
good and fair post, yat.
RE: RE: jcn  
Matt M. : 11/9/2017 11:47 pm : link
In comment 13684410 jcn56 said:
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In comment 13684409 Eric from BBI said:


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You see what you want to see.

If you think this place is so mismanaged, just leave.

Quite frankly, I'm tired of the childish complaints.



Gotcha - enjoy your time with Rocky, just don't leave him alone with the kids.
This is another one I must have missed years ago. I see a lot of comments about rockyt and kids, but I have no clue what they are referring to. Can someone fill me in.
RE: Eric, I need to say that I agree with others that your bias  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/9/2017 11:53 pm : link
In comment 13684432 yatqb said:
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comes through very clearly...but I believe that you don't see it. And I don't think that any feedback you have gotten or will get will lead you to see it.

Imo the inconsistency of your reactions to people's posts is driving a lot of great posters away.

One doesn't need to mention Republicans, Democrats, Trump, Clinton, Sanders or anyone else in order to create a political post that is hostile and clearly meant to incite the opposing side of the political spectrum. Yet you seem to ignore may such posts while reacting strongly to those that are not congruent with your political perspective. And your excuse often is that "I didn't see it, email me" when in some cases it is obvious that you had seen it (and in some cases responded on the same thread).

You'll likely label this confirmation bias, but I tried my best to address this respectfully. I've said on several occasions lately that great posters are being banned or making themselves absent from the site, while attention whores and worthless posters remain ad nauseum. And imo that's too bad, because BBI was a better place when those great posters were around.


Yat... the problem with your argument is the facts don't support it. I am personally involved in very few bannings anymore on BBI. As far as I know, I am the only conservative on the moderation team. Have I banned people for political posts? Yes, but I've banned people from both sides over the years and most were allowed to come right back if they agreed to stop the posts. It's hard to define a redline with political posts because the NFL and politics have become so intertwined, but one clear redline I've stated over and over again is not to start naming politician names because those posts ALWAYS spiral a thread out of control. And I haven't seen posts on BBI bringing up liberal politician names in recent weeks, only conservatives. As I said the other day, Chris did it twice in a matter of minutes. I e-mailed him the next day asking him to work with me on this, and he didn't respond.

Again, I think you guys are seeing what you want to see. Gidie, Boldruler, Gary, and I are not targeting liberals on this site.

If you want to stay out of hot water, stop bringing up politics. If you think we've missed something, e-mail us.

Some regular posters have gotten banned in recent months because they keep it up and up... there are a few on the site right now that are on the verge of getting canned because they keep doing it.

I know it is insulting, but it reminds me of dealing with kids who keep trying to push to see how much the can get away with.

Just stop it. BBI isn't the old BBI anymore. We don't allow politics.
and Yat  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/9/2017 11:59 pm : link
under your assumptions, Big Blue Blogger and Les in Toronto would be gone based on this thread alone.

Now, as Banks said above, we could have chosen to bring the ban hammer down on a number of people here, but I felt this was more of a clear-the-air thread.

Confused? When in doubt, don't get political.
Thanks for responding, Eric. I clearly see this  
yatqb : 11/9/2017 11:59 pm : link
differently that you, but I appreciate the response.
RE: RE: Eric, I need to say that I agree with others that your bias  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/10/2017 12:03 am : link
In comment 13684436 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13684432 yatqb said:


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comes through very clearly...but I believe that you don't see it. And I don't think that any feedback you have gotten or will get will lead you to see it.

Imo the inconsistency of your reactions to people's posts is driving a lot of great posters away.

One doesn't need to mention Republicans, Democrats, Trump, Clinton, Sanders or anyone else in order to create a political post that is hostile and clearly meant to incite the opposing side of the political spectrum. Yet you seem to ignore may such posts while reacting strongly to those that are not congruent with your political perspective. And your excuse often is that "I didn't see it, email me" when in some cases it is obvious that you had seen it (and in some cases responded on the same thread).

You'll likely label this confirmation bias, but I tried my best to address this respectfully. I've said on several occasions lately that great posters are being banned or making themselves absent from the site, while attention whores and worthless posters remain ad nauseum. And imo that's too bad, because BBI was a better place when those great posters were around.



Yat... the problem with your argument is the facts don't support it. I am personally involved in very few bannings anymore on BBI. As far as I know, I am the only conservative on the moderation team. Have I banned people for political posts? Yes, but I've banned people from both sides over the years and most were allowed to come right back if they agreed to stop the posts. It's hard to define a redline with political posts because the NFL and politics have become so intertwined, but one clear redline I've stated over and over again is not to start naming politician names because those posts ALWAYS spiral a thread out of control. And I haven't seen posts on BBI bringing up liberal politician names in recent weeks, only conservatives. As I said the other day, Chris did it twice in a matter of minutes. I e-mailed him the next day asking him to work with me on this, and he didn't respond.

Again, I think you guys are seeing what you want to see. Gidie, Boldruler, Gary, and I are not targeting liberals on this site.

If you want to stay out of hot water, stop bringing up politics. If you think we've missed something, e-mail us.

Some regular posters have gotten banned in recent months because they keep it up and up... there are a few on the site right now that are on the verge of getting canned because they keep doing it.

I know it is insulting, but it reminds me of dealing with kids who keep trying to push to see how much the can get away with.

Just stop it. BBI isn't the old BBI anymore. We don't allow politics.

Eric,

With all due respect (and I sincerely mean that), it's still bizarre that I love liverwurst is allowed to remain here after this thread. Even after being warned, he then follows up with his "your boyfriend will thank you for it" post and that's not enough for even a timeout? I think that's the sort of thing that causes some to wonder.

I trust your word that you may not have seen it, but it's a pretty egregiously offensive post coming right on the heels of being warned. And his political view is clear. So when he manages to survive that sort of post, I think posters have a reason to at least ask why.

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Great example, Dunk.  
yatqb : 11/10/2017 12:05 am : link
Just the type of thing I was referring to. And it's certainly not a one time thing with him.
This is what happens when the team sucks.  
IIT : 11/10/2017 12:06 am : link
Normally this sort of thread is reserved for the off season...

To be fair  
Modus Operandi : 11/10/2017 12:09 am : link
I don't think liverwurst is playing with a full deck.
Gatorade Dunk  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2017 12:09 am : link
I have no vest interest in this Liver guy... he is not a familiar poster to me.

Where this thread started going south was when Blogger made his post. I issued a warning. Then Liver stupidly made his post. I issued a warning. The subsequent post you are linking to isn't political. It's him being abusive to others who took offense to his original post and also got abusive.

So from my point-of-view, you've got two sides in a name-calling pissing match over a stupid, original provocative post that he already had been warned about.

The net result... he's on my watch list. But there are other people on this thread who now are on my watch list because they couldn't control themselves either.

I don't understand it. It's pretty stupid to keep bringing up politics on a thread that you know a moderator is engaged on.
and  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2017 12:11 am : link
again, this crap just reinforces the decision to keep this stuff off the site. It's ridiculous. There are a more than a handful of really stupid posts on this site. It's almost as if people are asking to be banned.
should  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2017 12:12 am : link
read... stupid posts on this THREAD.
RE: should  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/10/2017 12:23 am : link
In comment 13684449 Eric from BBI said:
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read... stupid posts on this THREAD.

Thanks, Eric. I appreciate your response and it helps to understand where you're coming from on this. I know you're in an unenviable position with this sort of stuff and I'm certainly not in favor of political posts here (I can find plenty of stuff to argue about on here without having to go down that rabbithole).
Gatorade Dunk  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2017 12:30 am : link
You're welcome.

To me, this thread represents some of the worst of BBI. You would think people would cool it. Blogger's post was stupid (and he's not a stupid guy). After I warned him, Liver's post was even more stupid. And then of course, others can't let that go and escalate it even further. And then Liver's dander is up and he won't let it go. At this pissing match. And some people wonder why we just delete some threads. It's the ones that turn into the messy pissing matches where no one is innocent that always get deleted now.
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