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NGT Aaron Hernandez Most Severe CTE Ever Found at his age

giantfan2000 : 11/9/2017 2:58 pm
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Ex-NFL player Aaron Hernandez suffered Stage 3 chronic traumatic encephalopathy, the most severe case ever discovered in someone his age, The Washington Post reported Thursday. The disease, which is caused by repeated brain injury, would have affected his decision-making, judgment, and cognition.


so horrible -- explains so much about his spiral downward and the actions he took

football needs to figure out how to prevent CTE or this sport is going away
Aaron Hernandez Suffered Most Severe CTE Ever Found in Someone So Young - ( New Window )
Doesn't change the fact that he was a bad dude  
figgy2989 : 11/9/2017 3:04 pm : link
Dating back to his high school days.

He didn't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/9/2017 3:05 pm : link
really spiral downward. He was involved in drugs and weapons as far back as high school and was in a gang.

He just progressed from petty criminal to full blown murderer.
Based on the stories about him ...  
Beer Man : 11/9/2017 3:08 pm : link
He was running around like a gangster long before coming to the NFL. His college coaches were worried about the trouble he might get into every time he went home on break because of his behavior and the people he hung out with away from football. Either his head injuries go way back, or they contributed to someone who was already living a thugs life.
Who's to say  
MotownGIANTS : 11/9/2017 3:15 pm : link
he did not do some serious damage as a kid in pee-wee ... some of those coaches are horrible ... not to mention it seems he had some personality issues possibly or undiagnosed mental and/or emotional issues


Just things to simply consider vs he was simply a bad person ....
I love these leading titles (not your fault)  
Young Elijah : 11/9/2017 3:25 pm : link
How many 27 year olds have their brains opened up for science? Im guessing next to none, so while it's likely true that this is a rare and severe case, I am sure there is a lot of former 1990s's football players walking around in their 40s with just as bad a case - just having to live (suffer) with it longer.
hmm  
giantfan2000 : 11/9/2017 3:34 pm : link
according to this an old article from 10 years

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Pop Warner was where Hernandez, a native of Bristol, Conn., got his start in football, back when he was a youngster.

"That's when it all started," he said of playing Pop Warner. "I was 5, 6 years old, that's when it all started. I started in flag [football] on the Pop Warner field and then went from there on up."


RE: Who's to say  
giantsfaninphilly : 11/9/2017 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13683842 MotownGIANTS said:
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he did not do some serious damage as a kid in pee-wee ... some of those coaches are horrible ... not to mention it seems he had some personality issues possibly or undiagnosed mental and/or emotional issues


Just things to simply consider vs he was simply a bad person ....


All these may be true. But at some point people need to be accountable for their actions.

RE: RE: Who's to say  
Rover : 11/9/2017 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13683880 giantsfaninphilly said:
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In comment 13683842 MotownGIANTS said:


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he did not do some serious damage as a kid in pee-wee ... some of those coaches are horrible ... not to mention it seems he had some personality issues possibly or undiagnosed mental and/or emotional issues


Just things to simply consider vs he was simply a bad person ....



All these may be true. But at some point people need to be accountable for their actions.

He went from petty criminal to a double murderer; so yes this does partially exonerate him.
I hate to tell you, there is no way to prevent CTE in football  
Matt M. : 11/9/2017 3:57 pm : link
Too many people focus on blows to the head and the headgear. The reality is most hits cause minor injuries. Every time you have a RB, for example, running in one direction and a defender coming from the opposite direction, even if it is the cleanest and most text book hit in the world, the jolt to his body causes the brain to crash into his skull. It may not cause a concussion, but every small trauma builds on the last.
This is the case with any violent hit, including car accidents, etc. It is inevitable.
Boo fuckin hoo  
Shecky : 11/9/2017 4:11 pm : link
Now this scumbag is a VICTIM???

If he was a saint his whole life who suddenly turned for the worse, Iíd feel bad. But no sympathy for him
RE: I hate to tell you, there is no way to prevent CTE in football  
Beer Man : 11/9/2017 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13683935 Matt M. said:
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Too many people focus on blows to the head and the headgear. The reality is most hits cause minor injuries. Every time you have a RB, for example, running in one direction and a defender coming from the opposite direction, even if it is the cleanest and most text book hit in the world, the jolt to his body causes the brain to crash into his skull. It may not cause a concussion, but every small trauma builds on the last.
This is the case with any violent hit, including car accidents, etc. It is inevitable.
I nu soe sore dat eye no wat ur takin bout
I think its ridiculous  
nyballa0891 : 11/9/2017 4:13 pm : link
that there are people out there that are making CTE out to be the cause for his behavior, and just as equally ridiculous that others are acting like there was no way that CTE played a role because he was a "thug in college". We will never know. His actions could have been heavily influenced by CTE, or not influenced at all, or maybe somewhere in the middle
Have they ever studied a drug addicts brain  
bradshaw44 : 11/9/2017 4:20 pm : link
Thatís never played organized sports to see if they have CTE?
RE: I love these leading titles (not your fault)  
Keith : 11/9/2017 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13683853 Young Elijah said:
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How many 27 year olds have their brains opened up for science? Im guessing next to none, so while it's likely true that this is a rare and severe case, I am sure there is a lot of former 1990s's football players walking around in their 40s with just as bad a case - just having to live (suffer) with it longer.


My thoughts as well
RE: I think its ridiculous  
BigBlue4You09 : 11/9/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13683965 nyballa0891 said:
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that there are people out there that are making CTE out to be the cause for his behavior, and just as equally ridiculous that others are acting like there was no way that CTE played a role because he was a "thug in college". We will never know. His actions could have been heavily influenced by CTE, or not influenced at all, or maybe somewhere in the middle


And also influenced by a pre-existing mental disorder as well, or not at all. Too many variables to really say what did or did not cause his behavior but by no means is any of it an "excuse".
Spiral downward?  
Bchurch : 11/9/2017 5:01 pm : link
This guy was a bad guy from day 1. It sounds like you are making excuses for a murderer.
Serious question  
Emil : 11/9/2017 5:12 pm : link
is it possible that frequent drug use (throw alcohol in there too) can exacerbate the condition and symptoms of CTE?? Could explain a lot.
RE: Spiral downward?  
jcn56 : 11/9/2017 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13684034 Bchurch said:
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This guy was a bad guy from day 1. It sounds like you are making excuses for a murderer.


I don't think anyone is trying to make Hernandez out to be a choir boy - but there is a question as to someone already teetering in that direction could have gone full tilt nuts thanks to the CTE.

The issue - it wouldn't be the first time.
I think that growing up in Bristol, Conn will screw your head up  
Bill L : 11/9/2017 5:46 pm : link
Way worse than any football blow.
Irrelevant  
BellAddi540 : 11/9/2017 5:48 pm : link
He was a criminal douche before he ever started taking any hits. There are plenty of retired players that aren't breaking the law and committing suicide. Players from the 70s and 80s and 90s where the rules were a lot more lenient.
Even if he was screwed up before the CTE  
BlackLight : 11/9/2017 11:27 pm : link
that just means something else screwed him up before that.
His dad,  
DG : 11/10/2017 3:44 am : link
Who was a huge influence on him, died when he was 14 or 15. I think he went downhill after that.
I have a hard time believing that ...  
short lease : 11/10/2017 8:42 am : link
his CTE caused him to decide to kill 2 - 3 people?
He would have eventually ended up in jail anyway...  
EricJ : 11/10/2017 8:45 am : link
the only difference is that he eventually had lots of money. Still the same person. Imagine how bad he would have been if he was not tied to the regimen of an NFL team? Being with the Pats probably kept him out of more trouble.
RE: His dad,  
short lease : 11/10/2017 8:46 am : link
In comment 13684496 DG said:
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Who was a huge influence on him, died when he was 14 or 15. I think he went downhill after that.


I read an article about that also. The article said that he was really close with his Dad but, it also seem to imply his Dad was the only one who could keep him in line.Once his Dad was gone ...
RE: I have a hard time believing that ...  
BigBlue4You09 : 11/10/2017 8:46 am : link
In comment 13684564 short lease said:
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his CTE caused him to decide to kill 2 - 3 people?


I don't think anyone is saying that, but it could be one of many factors.
The story isn't this may be an excuse for murder  
KWALL2 : 11/10/2017 8:51 am : link
The story is a 25 year old had severe CTE.

And it didn't just happen in the NFL. Forget the NFL. There are others who played the years he did minus the NFL that have CTE.

How can you let your kids play especially starting in Pop Warner? The hits just pile up sooner and cause damage.

Was it always Pop Warner  
Bill L : 11/10/2017 9:58 am : link
I swear that when I was growing up it was called Midget Football.

Anyway, Hernandez' dad was a fantastic guy. Very nice. He was also a star three-sport athlete in high school. He looked like he was a man and a studly man, even when he was in middle school. He had a twin brother, also a star athlete but not quite as good, who had a baby face. Very odd. I definitely can see how his loss would have had a profound impact on Aaron.

However, as with CTE in general. it's not like every one who loses a part when they are young or who gets CTE goes out an kills someone. Life is complex.
I wonder  
spike : 11/10/2017 10:00 am : link
how bad of a CTE does OJ Simpson have?
Did everyone he hung out with have CTE?  
Bill2 : 11/10/2017 10:45 am : link
I separate the damage CTE causes and the implications for the game over the next 50 years from Hernadez's actions.

He had CTE. He had no limits or conscience.

He did not have CTE so bad that he could not exist within the patriots and be conscious of structure, rules of where to park, timing of when the bus leaves, rules at hotels and plays and game plans. He could do that even under the pressure of big games and the irritations of getting through a tough week after a bitter loss. He could buy a house or cars and get them registered by himself or by an aide. He could get in and out of resturants and buy clothes.

He remembered to be respectful with Brady, Belichek and the Kraft family and behaved acceptably enough to be on a team. He was conscious enough of expectations to seem ordinary to the media. He knew to hide somethings from the team, the media, the law. So we was conscious of norms.

If he had total judgement impairing CTE then he would choke a ref and kick the other teams water boys.

So he was quite functional. He made the choices he needed to and the choices he wanted to. Both.

He was functional enough to pay hangers on and parts of his family and his main woman and side women. He functioned well enough to keep a circus going. He functioned well enough to try to hide stuff after the crime and to intimidate if not eliminate those he suspected would cause trouble and keep alive those he thought would help.

He murdered in the woods at night...not a shopping mall in broad daylight.

Whole lot of calculating going on.

To me, he was a repeat criminal. And he had CTE.

Those conflating the two have an agenda which they think allows them to sell the conflation. Or there is an impending law suit against the NFL on the part of the many hangers on left after the gravy train ended.

to me, the Aaron Hernandez story is filled with a whole lot of self enlightened calculation and self will run riot.

If the CTE dominated his judgement it sure did not get in the way of most moments functioning in society and in conformance with the microcosm of a team/game.

I don't think there is selective CTE. It did not affect my ability to collect a paycheck and spend it...but it did one night at 2am?





RE: Did everyone he hung out with have CTE?  
YAJ2112 : 11/10/2017 2:10 pm : link
In comment 13684788 Bill2 said:
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I separate the damage CTE causes and the implications for the game over the next 50 years from Hernadez's actions.

He had CTE. He had no limits or conscience.

He did not have CTE so bad that he could not exist within the patriots and be conscious of structure, rules of where to park, timing of when the bus leaves, rules at hotels and plays and game plans. He could do that even under the pressure of big games and the irritations of getting through a tough week after a bitter loss. He could buy a house or cars and get them registered by himself or by an aide. He could get in and out of resturants and buy clothes.

He remembered to be respectful with Brady, Belichek and the Kraft family and behaved acceptably enough to be on a team. He was conscious enough of expectations to seem ordinary to the media. He knew to hide somethings from the team, the media, the law. So we was conscious of norms.

If he had total judgement impairing CTE then he would choke a ref and kick the other teams water boys.

So he was quite functional. He made the choices he needed to and the choices he wanted to. Both.

He was functional enough to pay hangers on and parts of his family and his main woman and side women. He functioned well enough to keep a circus going. He functioned well enough to try to hide stuff after the crime and to intimidate if not eliminate those he suspected would cause trouble and keep alive those he thought would help.

He murdered in the woods at night...not a shopping mall in broad daylight.

Whole lot of calculating going on.

To me, he was a repeat criminal. And he had CTE.

Those conflating the two have an agenda which they think allows them to sell the conflation. Or there is an impending law suit against the NFL on the part of the many hangers on left after the gravy train ended.

to me, the Aaron Hernandez story is filled with a whole lot of self enlightened calculation and self will run riot.

If the CTE dominated his judgement it sure did not get in the way of most moments functioning in society and in conformance with the microcosm of a team/game.

I don't think there is selective CTE. It did not affect my ability to collect a paycheck and spend it...but it did one night at 2am?






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