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Martellus Bennett claimed by the Patriots

Mr. Nickels : 11/9/2017 4:27 pm
Off waivers
No surprise  
BigBlue4You09 : 11/9/2017 4:28 pm : link
This was probably his plan all along
Never trust  
Beer Man : 11/9/2017 4:29 pm : link
the Sith Lord
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arcarsenal : 11/9/2017 4:35 pm : link
Jerry Reach asleep at the fucking wheel as usual....
he wasn't on waivers  
Rocky369 : 11/9/2017 4:42 pm : link
he's a vet. they chose to reunite.
Rocky  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/9/2017 4:46 pm : link
at this time of the year -- he has to clear waivers -- He was claimed by Patriots
Doesn’t waivers  
BocaGiants91 : 11/9/2017 4:53 pm : link
Also apply to players on retirement or restricted lists. Like say for instance if Megatron wanted to come back right now and Detroit cut him, then he would have to go through waivers too. Seem to remember back when Deon Sanders tried to do that and he got claimed by the Chargers so they blocked him from going to the Raiders or something like that.
I believe that after the trade deadline  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/9/2017 4:59 pm : link
veteran players past their rookie deals must be waived
RE: I believe that after the trade deadline  
Diver_Down : 11/9/2017 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13684033 gidiefor said:
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veteran players past their rookie deals must be waived


Exactly. Regardless of how many years a player has been in the league, all players must pass through waivers after the trade deadline. Once the league year opens next, then released vested veterans become free agents while those on rookie contracts still have to pass through waivers.
So the Giants get 3 rd priority on any waived players, right?  
Ivan15 : 11/9/2017 5:28 pm : link
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RE: So the Giants get 3 rd priority on any waived players, right?  
Diver_Down : 11/9/2017 5:32 pm : link
In comment 13684059 Ivan15 said:
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yes. After the trade deadline until the close of the season, waiver order is determined by current standings. During the off-season, waiver order is determined by final season standing.
RE: No surprise  
old man : 11/9/2017 5:41 pm : link
In comment 13683985 BigBlue4You09 said:
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This was probably his plan all along


No Rodgers? I'm outta here! Hey Bill: I held back on a injury, they're peed at me about it. Injury ain't no big thing and I want back. Take me back man! You can afford me.
Whataya say man? I can help down the stretch.
Really!? Thanks bro.
Looks like he will be getting a ring!  
SterlingArcher : 11/9/2017 9:56 pm : link
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Called it  
spike : 11/9/2017 10:18 pm : link
Back with the crew
Uh, it was the Packers  
Doomster : 11/10/2017 9:19 am : link
who did this, not the Black Unicorn....
RE: Looks like he will be getting a ring!  
pjcas18 : 11/10/2017 9:22 am : link
In comment 13684375 SterlingArcher said:
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He got a ring.
RE: Uh, it was the Packers  
Diver_Down : 11/10/2017 9:26 am : link
In comment 13684611 Doomster said:
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who did this, not the Black Unicorn....


Yes, by designating the failure on Bennett to not disclose the medical condition, it sets in motion the team to collect the pro-rated remaining signing bonus (4.2M). It has been revealed that it is a torn rotator cuff. So the Pats can clear him and put him IR thus they get an affordable TE under contract without having to be on the hook for a signing bonus. With no guaranteed salary in Bennett's contract, there is no risk for the Pats to take on the contract. If he doesn't get better or retires, there is no cap hit for NE.
One of Reese's biggest fails  
HomerJones45 : 11/10/2017 9:31 am : link
Bennett has caught more passes for more yards and more td's since he left than all of the tight ends we've had to replace him-combined. And in the meantime, we've spent at least 3 draft picks, including #4 and a #1, to replace what we had here in the first place. What Reese has done with this roster is indefensible. This team is going nowhere until he has been shown the door.
HJ45  
LG in NYC : 11/10/2017 9:34 am : link
agree 100% - I was shocked the Giants let Bennett go. I thought we had finally solved our TE problem with him.
He has a torn rotator  
pjcas18 : 11/10/2017 9:36 am : link
cuff, so not sure how valuable he'll be. Impact his blocking more than receiving probably, but he's legit damaged goods.
RE: He has a torn rotator  
Diver_Down : 11/10/2017 9:43 am : link
In comment 13684644 pjcas18 said:
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cuff, so not sure how valuable he'll be. Impact his blocking more than receiving probably, but he's legit damaged goods.


As I mentioned, there is zero risk for NE to clear him and put him on IR. With no guaranteed salary and no signing bonus to be responsible for, they can squat on his rights with no cap hit while he gets better.
RE: RE: He has a torn rotator  
pjcas18 : 11/10/2017 9:47 am : link
In comment 13684661 Diver_Down said:
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cuff, so not sure how valuable he'll be. Impact his blocking more than receiving probably, but he's legit damaged goods.



As I mentioned, there is zero risk for NE to clear him and put him on IR. With no guaranteed salary and no signing bonus to be responsible for, they can squat on his rights with no cap hit while he gets better.


no risk this year - but he can't really return from IR anymore so what's the point, and his deal with GB was essentially a 1-year deal.

The next two seasons are non-guaranteed at ~$4M and ~$6M. Probably just as easy (or actually easier) to sign him to a new deal if they wanted him.

If he's not able to play this season the claim makes little sense.


RE: RE: RE: He has a torn rotator  
Diver_Down : 11/10/2017 9:59 am : link
In comment 13684668 pjcas18 said:
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cuff, so not sure how valuable he'll be. Impact his blocking more than receiving probably, but he's legit damaged goods.



As I mentioned, there is zero risk for NE to clear him and put him on IR. With no guaranteed salary and no signing bonus to be responsible for, they can squat on his rights with no cap hit while he gets better.



no risk this year - but he can't really return from IR anymore so what's the point, and his deal with GB was essentially a 1-year deal.

The next two seasons are non-guaranteed at ~$4M and ~$6M. Probably just as easy (or actually easier) to sign him to a new deal if they wanted him.

If he's not able to play this season the claim makes little sense.



By stashing him on IR, they get him and the contract. on the open market, they could not get MB at the non-guaranteed salaries. If he doesn't get healthy, no big deal. They can just release him. If he opts to retire, then his contract is factored into the comp pick calculation just as any loss of FA.
retirements  
pjcas18 : 11/10/2017 10:09 am : link
do not count in comp pick calculations.

The 49ers lost Borland, Justin Smith and Patrick Willis and go no comp pick credit when they all retired and I believe all were under contract at least one more year (Willis and Borland definitely).

Anyway, my point is while there is no risk there is also zero benefit to claiming him if he doesn't play this season.

There were only one or two teams at most after the Patriots left to claim him and i doubt any of them would if he's truly injured.
Apparently his injury  
pjcas18 : 11/10/2017 11:46 am : link
wasn't serious since he's at Patriots practice and passed a physical.

Not sure what to think about that, but it seems sketchy how NFL injuries work.
RE: One of Reese's biggest fails  
BigBlueShock : 11/10/2017 11:52 am : link
In comment 13684630 HomerJones45 said:
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Bennett has caught more passes for more yards and more td's since he left than all of the tight ends we've had to replace him-combined. And in the meantime, we've spent at least 3 draft picks, including #4 and a #1, to replace what we had here in the first place. What Reese has done with this roster is indefensible. This team is going nowhere until he has been shown the door.

Wait. Do you honestly think if the Giants had held on to Bennett way back then, they wouldn’t have had to spend a 1st on Engram this season? What the heck does Bennett have to do with using a 1st this season? Bennett is cooked and even had they resigned him then, he’d likely have been cut by now anyways. How many teams has he gone to since being released? Chicago, Pats, Packers, Pats again....
RE: One of Reese's biggest fails  
an_idol_mind : 11/10/2017 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13684630 HomerJones45 said:
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Bennett has caught more passes for more yards and more td's since he left than all of the tight ends we've had to replace him-combined. And in the meantime, we've spent at least 3 draft picks, including #4 and a #1, to replace what we had here in the first place. What Reese has done with this roster is indefensible. This team is going nowhere until he has been shown the door.


I'm not going to single out Bennett as the guy Reese should have kept, but he has shown a tendency to let decent starters walk when it comes time to actually pay them like starters. Instead, he's taken the attitude that certain players can be swapped out with other journeymen. For example, Bennett left and he plugged in Brandon Myers under the belief that there wouldn't be a big dropoff in production.

That philosophy isn't the worst way to stay ahead of the salary cap, but it winds up biting the team in the ass when the GM makes a mistake on the cheap replacement and creates a hole that didn't need to be there.
Add Linvil to that as well  
Bluesbreaker : 11/10/2017 2:46 pm : link
One of Reese's biggest fails
HomerJones45 : 9:31 am : link : reply
Bennett has caught more passes for more yards and more td's since he left than all of the tight ends we've had to replace him-combined. And in the meantime, we've spent at least 3 draft picks, including #4 and a #1, to replace what we had here in the first place. What Reese has done with this roster is indefensible. This team is going nowhere until he has been shown the door.
Amen
RE: Apparently his injury  
adamg : 11/10/2017 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13684877 pjcas18 said:
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wasn't serious since he's at Patriots practice and passed a physical.

Not sure what to think about that, but it seems sketchy how NFL injuries work.


It does seem fucked up. Idk the whole story, but it doesn't sound legit whatever happened. I'm sure Bennett won't be welcome back in GB any time soon.
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