Watching a show that contains abusiveness about nuns in the past.
Just wondering, anyone else have any horrible stories.
My Mom is nearly 70 years old now and the sweetest woman Iíve ever met.
She told me stories of how the nuns in New Jersey would torture her to the point my grandfather took her out of school.
My Mom is the definition of a pacifist and almost joined a missionary to help people as a teenager; but she shoved a nun into a closet because they abused her so much.
Is this unique or are there many stories like this.
hurt a soul. Innocent of all charges. You religion haters are out of hand.
Most nuns were fine. There were some who would give a wack with a book to someone getting really out of hand, or the pointer to a hand. Can't say in my opinion that is was torture. It was the same thing your parents would do. (at that time...)
for someone your mom's age. My mom used to tell me stories about nuns from her time which would have been 30's and 40's. Not as bad as what your mom experienced but bad enough to believe that worse happened.
By the time I went to Catholic School in the 70's the nuns were all bark and no bite. Mainly I think because so many parents like my mom had had bad experiences and weren't going to tolerate it for their kids.
I rarely had a nun teacher I considered pleasant but it was a different time. My dad had some rough stories from the 50s. It's not a Catholic Church thing it's an old school catholic school thing. I'm not sure we need to bring religion into it other than to be a prick.
in my mom's telling it was only a couple who were cruel. Most were good teachers and supportive which is why she sent her kids to Catholic School.
were abusive in the past.
Yup, my Mom said is was a couple Nuns, not all nuns.
Just wondering about it.
My Mom mentioned it and Iím not Catholic so was just wondering if it was an isolated incident after seeing that program tonight.
And related stuff during the late 60's and 70''s but I think in retrospect they were pretty much warranted.
Dirty old man comes by and flashes them. First nun has a stroke, 2nd nun has a stroke. 3rd nun wouldn't touch it.
I was referencing another post. Not yours.
The occasional ruler to the knuckles or ear twist. Well deserved I might say. If you got sent to the principles office, the paddle with the holes was in plain sight. Don't remember it being used but it sure was a deterrent.
Whole different attitude back then. You got worse when you got home.
I had Dominican nuns and they were pretty harmless. They were considered a teaching order.
Plenty of lousy abusive teachers that werenít nuns. Letís not throw the baby out with the bath water.
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| Plenty of lousy abusive teachers that werenít nuns. Letís not throw the baby out with the bath water.
^^^This. Mean old ladies were much worse on average.
Nowadays kids are being taught to be insolent, work grievances and duck out of shit. Half kidding as usual.
I would say an ear twist might be in order.
I used to be scared just seeing nuns on the street
I did see worse out of a couple of teachers in the public school system.
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Steve in South Jersey said:
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Yep. I hated my fifth grade teacher with a passion. Such a biased POS who obviously favored girls and overreacted at anything trivial the boys did. I never heard a more condescending person talk down to people, and about where they came from (how much money your family had) in my life. She would always rave about her rich lifestyle because she was the mayors wife. Everyone would have to stop what they were doing to hear her daily troubles. So fucking repulsive. We all thought she was fucking the principal too.
That was only 20+ years ago. She'd eat all the time in class like a pig as well. When I was done with her, it was back to normal in sixth grade again. Don't know what it is like today and I'm sure it was far worse before her but she really sucked ass.
school in New Jersey in the 60's. One of the nun's told my grandmother she thought it would be beneficial for my father to spend some time in Vietnam.
Jesuits, now we are talking...Kneel Brother.
but my sixth grade teacher busted a yard stick over my head and a substitute 7th grade teacher slapped my face. Just saying, it wasn't just nuns. BTW, I deserved it both times.
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Particularly the ones in Spain, those bastids had torture down to a science. Although the Dean of Discipline at La Salle Academy put me up against two file cabinets and worked my midsection for a while back in Freshman year (1970).
Nuns at Blessed Sacrament were ok except for sista Stella, what an inhuman bitch....
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Steve in South Jersey said:
| were abusive in the past.
Define abusive. If you mean they didn't let the kids run the classroom out of fear of getting fired or sued you're right. If you mean corporal punishment or physical abuse no fucking way.
Why would nuns be any different? My mom worked closely with nuns - albeit mostly liberal ones - for many years. Her view was that they were pretty much the same as everyone else.
With all due respect to practicing Catholics and the many good priests and nuns through the years, I feel that the leaders (some Popes, et al) of the Catholic Church have done more harm than good over the last number of centuries.
The Catholic Church (because of decisions by leaders) has strayed from the Bible in some significant ways that are at the heart of some of their biggest problems.
Specifically what Iím referring to here is the celibacy requirement for priests and nuns.
Not only is it unnatural, itís NOT based on the Bible!
Itís a known fact that the apostle Peter was married! Peter is known by Catholics as the first pope (known by Protestants as the apostle Peter). It wasnít just Peter; most of the apostles were married!
The celibacy requirement was a really bad decision not based on the Bible, originally made, I believe by Pope Gregory VII in 1074 AD (I had to google it).
Not only has it, I believe, contributed to the numerous sex scandals, itís contributed to a shortage of priests in the US. A shortage to the point that theyíre bringing priests in from countries where English isnít the primary language for a position for which communication skills should be a priority (Iím glad our pastor is a very good communicator, with a good sense of humor).
I believe the celibacy policy has also probably resulted in some extra ornery nuns over the years.
to say there were abusive teachers from any kind of school. Maybe that's true, but my father-in-law who went to Catholic school, talks often about abusive nuns (not all, but a lot).
My mom and dad, on the other hand, who didn't go to Catholic school never talked about abusive teachers. I also don't recall any, though I'm of course a different generation.
I know that's anecdotal, but there's a reason they have a reputation.
In 2nd grade I witnessed two occasions where a nun disciplined a boy and a girl. The boy was made to drop trow and bend over the nun's lap tidy whiteys intact and receive several lashes with a 12" wooden ruler. The young lady was made to raise her skirt and assume the position with panties intact and receive the same punishment. This did not occur at the same time. I think it demonstrated some sexually repressive angst on behalf of the nun involved.
Also witnessed a boy having to kneel on a ruler with the pencil rill groove in it. It brought tears and a great deal of pain. I'm not sure it slowed down the antics much. Kids will be kids crying out for attention.
There was always some humor in light of this repressive terror. I can recall a dressing down by one nun where she was taking the entire class to task and claiming she saw all of our misdeeds by stating "I have eyes like a demon" and small voice was heard in the back of the classroom responding "You look like one too!!" No one owned up to the comment so we were all sent home that day with the threat of receiving an 'F' in the class for that term. The grade never materialized but the rebuttal lives on in the pantheon of Catholic School lore.
The brothers, however, were the worst. Thin skinned and violent, I had my share of incidents with them, and I wasn't a trouble maker.
K- 8 in the 1970s and Catholic High School (Bergen Catholic). There were some nuns who were abusive and thought nothing of beating on a nine year old. Others were mild mannered. The Brothers at BC for the most part treated us as men.
my mother went to public schools in the 1930s and 40s and has told me stories about teachers beating and hitting misbehaving students.
known to be violent, but saw worse in school with Jesuit brothers
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| known to be violent, but saw worse in school with Jesuit brothers
They were Brothers. Catholic School though.