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Eli Apple Concerns

JoeyBigBlue : 11/9/2017 9:58 pm
What is going on with this kid? After having a tough few games in his rookie seasons, he turned it around and was on his way to being a top flight corner. This season hes been a train wreck. He doesnt seem to locate the ball in the air, he has mental lapses, and his toughness have been questioned. Add to concerns to off field locker room behaviors, and he is looking like a wasted Top 10 pick. Even our own respected talent evaluator Sy56 is saying he isnt a winning player and should be traded or release.

I honestly think hes having a real hard time adjusting to a zone defense that Spagnuolo has preferred this season. Hes thinking way too much and not playing. He reminds of Corey Webster in his first few seasons here. Webster was a man to man corner, who was almost run out of town due to poor early showings in zone coverage. Once a man to man scheme was implemented by Spagnuolo in his first go around as D Coordinator he was able to really shine. Hopefully we see growth in Apple, like we did in Webster.
Man to man the kid is  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 11/9/2017 10:05 pm : link
A penalty machine
RE: Man to man the kid is  
JoeyBigBlue : 11/9/2017 10:13 pm : link
In comment 13684379 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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A penalty machine



He played pretty well in a man to man scheme last season.
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McNally's_Nuts : 11/9/2017 10:17 pm : link
In comment 13684384 JoeyBigBlue said:
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A penalty machine




He played pretty well in a man to man scheme last season.


Well, sometimes you have to play zone on some plays.
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arcarsenal : 11/9/2017 10:19 pm : link
I'm surprised the mom hasn't been much more vocal - I figured if things got ugly like this, she'd be going off the rails.
shes been taking alot of shit on twitter  
viggie : 11/9/2017 10:55 pm : link
she had taken alot of shit lately
I can't see anything on her Twitter pg that's a problem for the Giants  
steve in ky : 11/9/2017 11:16 pm : link
In fact she tweets about Ohio State more than she does the Giants.
Link - ( New Window )
what i meant was  
viggie : 11/10/2017 12:21 am : link
people are talking alot of shit to her.
RE: what i meant was  
steve in ky : 11/10/2017 12:23 am : link
In comment 13684453 viggie said:
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people are talking alot of shit to her.


Sorry, I misunderstood what you meant.
Can almost say this about half the team?  
short lease : 11/10/2017 1:17 am : link

"he has mental lapses, and his toughness have been questioned."


Happens when you don't care anymore. The season is over for a lot of these guys. I know they are professionals and getting paid to play but, they are also human.
I think it is immaturity  
Vanzetti : 11/10/2017 2:29 am : link
He is not a man yet. He still acts like a spoiled kid,.

I really think he will be fine down the road. But it speaks to the lack of leadership on this team that his peers have not curbed this behavior
My concern is Reese blew a top 10 pick on him  
The_Boss : 11/10/2017 7:40 am : link
Just like he did with Flowers. Those picks are supposed to become stars. Neither of these guys will. Another, in the long list, of indictments against Jerry.
The kid is a bust.  
Mendenhall : 11/10/2017 8:02 am : link
This is another time where Reese got caught with his pants down. Other teams jumped over the Giants to take Conklin and Floyd and Reese was left with choosing a guy he didn't give a lot of thought to. Reese should be fired just on this draft alone.
RE: The kid is a bust.  
section125 : 11/10/2017 8:09 am : link
In comment 13684539 Mendenhall said:
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This is another time where Reese got caught with his pants down. Other teams jumped over the Giants to take Conklin and Floyd and Reese was left with choosing a guy he didn't give a lot of thought to. Reese should be fired just on this draft alone.


I doubt he is a bust. He looks great at times and either lost or indifferent at others. Let's see what happens with a new coach. I think immature is probably correct.

As for Flowers - he has been playing better because the change in technique is starting to overcome his flawed technique from college. This should have been done two years ago, but another very young draftee that either would not listen or "knew better."
RE: The kid is a bust.  
short lease : 11/10/2017 8:25 am : link
In comment 13684539 Mendenhall said:
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This is another time where Reese got caught with his pants down. Other teams jumped over the Giants to take Conklin and Floyd and Reese was left with choosing a guy he didn't give a lot of thought to. Reese should be fired just on this draft alone.


I don't think he is a bust .... a new HC at the reigns could change everything very quickly.
RE: The kid is a bust.  
BigBlueShock : 11/10/2017 8:28 am : link
In comment 13684539 Mendenhall said:
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This is another time where Reese got caught with his pants down. Other teams jumped over the Giants to take Conklin and Floyd and Reese was left with choosing a guy he didn't give a lot of thought to. Reese should be fired just on this draft alone.

Ridiculous. Got caught with his pants down? Wtf? So you honestly think that Reese only had two guys left on his board and just threw a dart at the board when those two players got taken?

For crying out loud, people. Use your heads.
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njm : 11/10/2017 8:33 am : link
In comment 13684390 arcarsenal said:
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I'm surprised the mom hasn't been much more vocal - I figured if things got ugly like this, she'd be going off the rails.


There seems to be a pretty valid reason for that
Annie Apple to undergo brain surgery - ( New Window )
Bam  
NikkiMac : 11/10/2017 8:52 am : link
There you go the kid is a bust at 22 years old Mom with brain cancer put yourself in the kids shoes I still predict hes going to be one of the greats the guy is always hip to hip with his man the kid excels in man coverage just needs to get better teqnique and get the refs off his ass that will happen as he progresses ...... my Aunt had brain cancer and multiple surgeries ...... no picnic
Apple is immature  
JonC : 11/10/2017 8:56 am : link
and apparently his mom is quite ill. Combine that with struggling to play well, a sinking ship where his teammates are challenging the coaches and giving up on the season, and the immaturity is shining through.
to section125  
Powerclean765 : 11/10/2017 8:57 am : link
Or we are seeing Reese's love for drafting 20 year olds backfire a bit. You are bringing a kid into a man's game, for food on the table. You take the kid, expect 2 years of heavy weight room work and technique work before he blossoms.

That's IF his confidence isn't destroyed by getting his ass kicked.
I will also tip my cap to Flowers here  
Powerclean765 : 11/10/2017 9:02 am : link
He's endured multiple dreadful performances in a row getting destroyed under a microscope for years. NY press attacking him.

And he appears to have battled through it and is steadying the ship.

Watching guys work through that is what sports is all about, as much as the winning. For me at least. Good for Flowers - proving to be a mentally tough SOB that could serve him well.
BTW  
Blue Moon : 11/10/2017 9:38 am : link
when is the Empty Suits other 1st rounder coming back to play the great Prince Amakura? Is he rehabbing? He has all the measurable and lots of dog in him.
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arcarsenal : 11/10/2017 10:14 am : link
In comment 13684560 njm said:
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I'm surprised the mom hasn't been much more vocal - I figured if things got ugly like this, she'd be going off the rails.



There seems to be a pretty valid reason for that Annie Apple to undergo brain surgery - ( New Window )


Yeah, I had no idea about this until today - I feel bad even bringing it up now. Hopefully she recovers and pulls through it.
RE: to section125  
section125 : 11/10/2017 10:20 am : link
In comment 13684585 Powerclean765 said:
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Or we are seeing Reese's love for drafting 20 year olds backfire a bit. You are bringing a kid into a man's game, for food on the table. You take the kid, expect 2 years of heavy weight room work and technique work before he blossoms.

That's IF his confidence isn't destroyed by getting his ass kicked.


QB, CB and LT are tough positions to put a "kid" into. Could be 20 is too young at those skilled positions. I don't think Apple's confidence will be destroyed. He has ability and moxie, but needs to grow up a bit.
...  
annexOPR : 11/10/2017 10:30 am : link
Laremy Tunsil ... gift wrapped ...
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spike : 11/10/2017 10:34 am : link
In comment 13684751 annexOPR said:
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Laremy Tunsil ... gift wrapped ...


in cigarette paper and a mask
RE: Can almost say this about half the team?  
short lease : 11/10/2017 11:42 am : link
In comment 13684469 short lease said:
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"he has mental lapses, and his toughness have been questioned."


Happens when you don't care anymore. The season is over for a lot of these guys. I know they are professionals and getting paid to play but, they are also human.


Also, could happen when your Mom is sick and needs Brain surgery next week .... there is that.

Sorry Eli - I certainly jumped to conclusions to fast (as usual).
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Ten Ton Hammer : 11/10/2017 12:30 pm : link
In comment 13684751 annexOPR said:
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Laremy Tunsil ... gift wrapped ...


It's not like Tunsil is setting the world on fire either.
RE: I think it is immaturity  
Carson53 : 11/10/2017 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13684485 Vanzetti said:
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He is not a man yet. He still acts like a spoiled kid,.

I really think he will be fine down the road. But it speaks to the lack of leadership on this team that his peers have not curbed this behavior
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I also think he is one of the 'rats' in the locker room.
When they mentioned anonymous quotes, I think Apple was
one of the rats. My guess is either Jenkins or DRC
is the other rat, pretty obvious from what has been going down in the past month around here, it is coming from the secondary.
Yep, that would add to Apple's immaturity.
I am filing this under, I don't know it for a fact,
but I believe to be true department...
classic Ohio St  
mdc1 : 11/10/2017 5:03 pm : link
product, cannot perform unless given an advantge (Elliot/cowboys line). Wasn't he one of the guys the Falcons asked questions about his hormonal orientation?
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mdc1 : 11/10/2017 5:05 pm : link
In comment 13684390 arcarsenal said:
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I'm surprised the mom hasn't been much more vocal - I figured if things got ugly like this, she'd be going off the rails.


lol Good thing his mom is there to look after his adult activities.
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mdc1 : 11/10/2017 5:06 pm : link
In comment 13684943 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13684751 annexOPR said:


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Laremy Tunsil ... gift wrapped ...



It's not like Tunsil is setting the world on fire either.


probably a good bump on TOP over getting burned in 15 secs to the tune of 7pts.
RE: I think it is immaturity  
KeoweeFan : 11/10/2017 7:38 pm : link
In comment 13684485 Vanzetti said:
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He is not a man yet. He still acts like a spoiled kid,.

I really think he will be fine down the road. But it speaks to the lack of leadership on this team that his peers have not curbed this behavior

Agreed.
Eli has to get over his college accomplishments and his mama's accolades, and start listening to professional coaches.
RE: The kid is a bust.  
KeoweeFan : 11/10/2017 7:41 pm : link
In comment 13684539 Mendenhall said:
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This is another time where Reese got caught with his pants down. Other teams jumped over the Giants to take Conklin and Floyd and Reese was left with choosing a guy he didn't give a lot of thought to. Reese should be fired just on this draft alone.

Even if what you infer is correct (and I don't agree) the NYG can't afford to cut ties with every potential problem.
Get a few good players and success will cure a lot of ills.
Here is the mistake that many overlook  
Jimmy Googs : 11/10/2017 7:45 pm : link
Apple never showed he was "a top-flight corner" in any game...ever. Or please let me know what game I should revisit watching.

Apple should be given more time, like most CBs, to mature.

And certainly don't overestimate our strong coaching in his slow development...
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Ten Ton Hammer : 11/10/2017 11:37 pm : link
In comment 13685298 mdc1 said:
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In comment 13684943 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 13684751 annexOPR said:


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Laremy Tunsil ... gift wrapped ...



It's not like Tunsil is setting the world on fire either.



probably a good bump on TOP over getting burned in 15 secs to the tune of 7pts.


You wouldn't know it by watching the Dolphins play. Their offense is as horrible as ours.
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