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EddieNYG : 11/10/2017 9:44 am

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Sounds like ownership read him the riot act  
NYGmen58 : 11/10/2017 9:50 am : link
that Eli is the Giants QB, now and and for the foreseeable future.

Can we put this to nonsense about Eli/QB controversy to bed already?
Interesting  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2017 9:50 am : link
that the Giants.com link to the McAdoo article is no longer working.
He’s gonna bench him...  
bradshaw44 : 11/10/2017 9:51 am : link
Laying the ground work.
Remember this comment from McAdoo  
EddieNYG : 11/10/2017 10:00 am : link
Back in March during the NFL Combine?

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"I think Eli needs to do a better job playing with fast feet and he I think he needs to sit on that back foot in the pocket. We're seeing a lot of man coverage, so the receivers, it's going to take a little time for them to get open, so everything may not be rhythmical. He's got to play with fast feet, he has to sit on his back foot and be ready to hitch into a throw. Things aren't always clean in this league. You watch film of the end zones throughout the league and you're seeing a lot of dirty pockets."


This season was started with McAdoo laying blame on Eli for his offensive struggles. And it has continued into this season.
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Accountability  
Csonka : 11/10/2017 10:02 am : link
I'm holding McAdoo accountable.
RE: Interesting  
spike : 11/10/2017 10:02 am : link
In comment 13684676 Eric from BBI said:
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that the Giants.com link that McAdoo is no longer working.


Here is how I read your post
RE: Sounds like ownership read him the riot act  
Les in TO : 11/10/2017 10:02 am : link
In comment 13684673 NYGmen58 said:
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that Eli is the Giants QB, now and and for the foreseeable future.

Can we put this to nonsense about Eli/QB controversy to bed already?
guess you missed the part where he said twice that Eli needs to be accountable and you can't cling to past accomplishments to justify a lifetime job
One thing I notice about Reese and McAdoof  
trueblueinpw : 11/10/2017 10:04 am : link
They both evade responsibility with doublespeak: “It’s all on me I’m the head coach and this falls on my shoulders, but everyone is accountable...”. “I’m the GM, it’s all on me but everyone is accountable...”. “Eli’s done so much and I respect him but everyone is accountable...”. McAdoof and Reach are cut from the same cloth.

Attitude follows leadership. Get rid of GM, the entire coaching staff. Start over.
"I wasn't raised in a warm & fuzzy environment"  
Motley Two : 11/10/2017 10:11 am : link
What the fuck does that mean?

So he has an awareness of something and rather than use this as something for an adjustment, he'll just use it as an excuse. Nice.
Eli sticks with it every game and hold himself accountable for almost  
PatersonPlank : 11/10/2017 10:14 am : link
everything. BigMac places blame and seems to hold everyone else accountable but him. BigMac is no where near the professional Manning is. He should shut up and try to learn something from a pro like Manning.
RE:  
GiantTuff1 : 11/10/2017 10:15 am : link
In comment 13684718 Motley Two said:
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What the fuck does that mean?

So he has an awareness of something and rather than use this as something for an adjustment, he'll just use it as an excuse. Nice.


He's saying he's straight and to the point. No need to glad hand someone because they won a Super Bowl years ago if they are not performing to expectations now.
Hold him accountable my ass...  
JCin332 : 11/10/2017 10:18 am : link
No QB in the NFL would be successful in this clown show of an offense...
When the underlying..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/10/2017 10:20 am : link
motivation to make the comments he has is because his system requires a QB like Aaron rodgers (who doesn't grow on a tree), should cause one to look harder at changing the system.
I dont get why we have so many ignorant fans  
Rory : 11/10/2017 10:22 am : link
that seem to think the best solution every time adversity hits is to "blow it up"

Its a pathetic showing of lack of patience and understanding on how things work in this league

An frankly unless you're part of the team (and we arent because we are just fans) you really have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

You want to blow it up, fine go for it but expect the next 3 years of being at the bottom of the division which will be less attracting for future players to resign aka OBJ.

An I'm sure the same fans will have amnesia about all of this and be calling out the organization again
RE: Accountability  
JohnB : 11/10/2017 10:23 am : link
In comment 13684704 Csonka said:
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I'm holding McAdoo accountable.


RIGHT!!!! There is "accountability" for 1-7 Mr. McAdoo.
Dude is an excuse maker.  
Motley Two : 11/10/2017 10:23 am : link
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Tired of hearing this guy talk.  
Britt in VA : 11/10/2017 10:24 am : link
Dead man walking.
Agreed that there should be accountability  
JohnB : 11/10/2017 10:27 am : link
And Eli should be held to a higher standard than his current play. But across the board, there are A LOT of people who need that message stronger than Eli starting with the man in the mirror, than Spags, than the OLine and the DBfield.

Eli? If is much further down the list than McAdoo has placed him.
Hopefully  
Keith : 11/10/2017 10:28 am : link
ownership is saying the same thing about the coach. There is no reason for him to say these things in the press. If you truly feel that way about Eli, why make these statements? He's clearly pointing his finger at Eli to protect himself and that's pathetic.
I love this quote  
GmeninPSL : 11/10/2017 10:36 am : link
"I wasn't raised in a warm and fuzzy environment"

Very sorry if your parents didn't say "I love You" before bedtime!! Does not give you the license to being a total DOUCHEBAG!!!
It’s possible that mcadoo is not a good head coach  
LatHarv83 : 11/10/2017 10:40 am : link
But can still be right with his concerns about Eli. His general cluelessness as a leader of men and some of his shortcomings from an interpersonal
Standpoint don’t disqualify him from having an opinion on Eli’s performance when he is literally watching these things more closely and with more context than anyone walking the planet
Yesterday I said I felt bad for BM  
bradshaw44 : 11/10/2017 10:43 am : link
And wouldn’t pile on anymore, but F that, this guy needs to meet the fate slade made up for him. Sick of his stupid face and even worse ability to communicate. If he doesn’t think Eli deserves anything because of past accomplishments then let’s throw last years 11-5 record out the window and look at BMs current record. Bye asshole.
RE: Agreed that there should be accountability  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/10/2017 10:46 am : link
In comment 13684748 JohnB said:
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And Eli should be held to a higher standard than his current play. But across the board, there are A LOT of people who need that message stronger than Eli starting with the man in the mirror, than Spags, than the OLine and the DBfield.

Eli? If is much further down the list than McAdoo has placed him.


Here's the thing though... as Eli has said in public, the coach knows that he can take that public criticism. In addition, the coach probably knows (and we know based on what we've seen from some of these guys) that people like Eli Apple and Ereck Flowers will not respond well to public criticism.
Look Eli isn't going to be the QB of the Giants much longer  
arniefez : 11/10/2017 10:48 am : link
and he's no longer one of the top 5 QBs in he NFL, still in the top half at least though. The issue I have with McAdoo is that he been dumping on Eli for over a year and only on Eli. If the Giants had 22 starters playing at Eli's level they'd be one of the best teams in the NFL.
RE: It’s possible that mcadoo is not a good head coach  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/10/2017 10:50 am : link
In comment 13684772 LatHarv83 said:
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But can still be right with his concerns about Eli. His general cluelessness as a leader of men and some of his shortcomings from an interpersonal
Standpoint don’t disqualify him from having an opinion on Eli’s performance when he is literally watching these things more closely and with more context than anyone walking the planet


You don't need to be Bill Walsh to see when Eli misses a wide open receiver or throws an inaccurate pass to an open receiver. People get killed on BBI for saying that... I can't imagine the response is much better when it's said from the podium. Doesn't mean he sucks or he needs to get hung in Times Square. It just means they need the QB to play better, even with the obstacles like the o-line and receivers.
I've felt since the day McAdoo became HC that he was  
TheMick7 : 11/10/2017 10:53 am : link
looking to replace Eli. When he came in as OC,Eli worked overtime to acclimate himself to Mac's offense. It's a shame that as HC he's never acclimated his offense to fit Eli.He's constantly gone out of his way to critique Eli's play,in a mostly negative fashion.Some coaches are meant to be HCs,others aren't. McAdoo is in the latter category!
I've thought it to be somewhat ridiculous  
Beezer : 11/10/2017 10:59 am : link
and at very least wasted energy for McAdoo to even talk about Eli in press conferences. In the main, Eli has played well enough, while other aspects of the team have fizzled. If those other pieces don't flow into the crapper as they have, Eli Manning would not be on anyone's radar for negative articles or comments.

Everything's relative. And while this team is garbage in 2017, Eli is not. He deserves the respect to not be treated as a guy who "needs to be held accountable."

No shit, Ben.

Some might look at the comments and feel better. I read them and it solidified my disinterest and overall irritation in the thought of this guy as the Giants head coach going forward.

I'll hope for the best, like always. But I am cemented in the "not a fan" club.
RE: Look Eli isn't going to be the QB of the Giants much longer  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/10/2017 10:59 am : link
In comment 13684794 arniefez said:
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and he's no longer one of the top 5 QBs in he NFL, still in the top half at least though. The issue I have with McAdoo is that he been dumping on Eli for over a year and only on Eli. If the Giants had 22 starters playing at Eli's level they'd be one of the best teams in the NFL.


IMO, that's simply not true. He didn't play well last week. He didn't play well versus the Chargers. He's had 2 good games and another in which he did exactly what was needed of him however little that was (DEN). In the other games, I'll give him a pass. That's not a good ratio through 8 games.

You wanna say if they had 22 players preparing like Eli or giving effort like Eli that they'd be much better, I agree. But his on the field performance is as much a part of the problem as anyone else. I love Eli, but failure to acknowledge the role his play has in this is the sign of a fanboy.
Good - great coaches devise a scheme  
Bubba : 11/10/2017 11:16 am : link
based on the players they have. My favorite example is Don Shula. He went from a punishing ground game with Griese, Czonka, Morris even Woodley. etc to air america with Marino and the smurfs. I'm sure he preferred the run game more but he went with what he had.
RE: RE: Look Eli isn't going to be the QB of the Giants much longer  
GiantGrit : 11/10/2017 11:22 am : link
In comment 13684819 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13684794 arniefez said:


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and he's no longer one of the top 5 QBs in he NFL, still in the top half at least though. The issue I have with McAdoo is that he been dumping on Eli for over a year and only on Eli. If the Giants had 22 starters playing at Eli's level they'd be one of the best teams in the NFL.



IMO, that's simply not true. He didn't play well last week. He didn't play well versus the Chargers. He's had 2 good games and another in which he did exactly what was needed of him however little that was (DEN). In the other games, I'll give him a pass. That's not a good ratio through 8 games.

You wanna say if they had 22 players preparing like Eli or giving effort like Eli that they'd be much better, I agree. But his on the field performance is as much a part of the problem as anyone else. I love Eli, but failure to acknowledge the role his play has in this is the sign of a fanboy.




Well said.
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Dodge : 11/10/2017 11:28 am : link
I like this McAdoo quote and I support it 100%. Everyone having an issue with it is just looking for someone to yell at.

Everyone on this team is responsible for the 1-7 record, the coach the most of them.

NFL is a performance based league, and the performance of this team is horrific and I suspect coaches (if not all of them) will be fired. I really don't care how or what McAdoo says to the press. I just care about W's.

I'd like to see McAdoo and the whole staff get fired, but I wouldn't be completely pissed off if he stayed and he was able to hire a full staff all by himself instead of a patchwork of the previous staff.
McAdoo is like my son's pee wee coach  
NNJ Tom : 11/10/2017 11:33 am : link
He doesn't really yell at any kid other than his own, who he's brutal to. The kid plays QB (better suited to OL) and can't throw the ball more than 10 yards. The genius designs plays where his kid has to throw it 20 ??? The obvious results (incomplete or pick) just draws more yelling from dad. It truly is a spectacle I won't miss at all.

A coach's first job is to put players in a position to succeed. McAdoo seems unwilling or unable to do that.
RE:  
montanagiant : 11/10/2017 11:41 am : link
In comment 13684718 Motley Two said:
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What the fuck does that mean?

So he has an awareness of something and rather than use this as something for an adjustment, he'll just use it as an excuse. Nice.

This is the typical Reese/McAdoo game. Make a claim that they accept blame and then a few sentences later come out with the qualifier that allows them to place blame elsewhere.

Go back and read Reeses last press conference. It's the same damn startegy
RE: Remember this comment from McAdoo  
Victor in CT : 11/10/2017 11:46 am : link
In comment 13684698 EddieNYG said:
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Back in March during the NFL Combine?



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"I think Eli needs to do a better job playing with fast feet and he I think he needs to sit on that back foot in the pocket. We're seeing a lot of man coverage, so the receivers, it's going to take a little time for them to get open, so everything may not be rhythmical. He's got to play with fast feet, he has to sit on his back foot and be ready to hitch into a throw. Things aren't always clean in this league. You watch film of the end zones throughout the league and you're seeing a lot of dirty pockets."



This season was started with McAdoo laying blame on Eli for his offensive struggles. And it has continued into this season. Link - ( New Window )


This offense doesn't llok so hot in Green Bay either without Rodgers running it and improvising
I think "Accountablity" won the latest game of Blue Blue Scrabble  
ghost718 : 11/10/2017 11:48 am : link
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I care less and less for McAdoo  
Matt M. : 11/10/2017 11:53 am : link
each time he opens his mouth.
His offense blows and so does he as a head coach  
ZogZerg : 11/10/2017 11:54 am : link
The Giants need to dump this dope ASAP.
I've thought all along that McAdoo calls out Eli  
Section331 : 11/10/2017 11:56 am : link
because he knows Eli can take it, while some of the younger players may not be able to. That said, the constant criticism does get tired, and exposes McAdoo as someone who doesn't have the answers.

I've defended Eli as strenuously as anyone on this board, but his play over the past year and a half deserves criticism. He hasn't played well, and I've seen little over that time to indicate that he is still a top half of the league QB. Maybe it's the crap offense he's been handed, but by all accounts, he strongly lobbied for McAdoo, so he knew what offense he was getting.
RE: I've thought all along that McAdoo calls out Eli  
Matt M. : 11/10/2017 12:06 pm : link
In comment 13684896 Section331 said:
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because he knows Eli can take it, while some of the younger players may not be able to. That said, the constant criticism does get tired, and exposes McAdoo as someone who doesn't have the answers.

I've defended Eli as strenuously as anyone on this board, but his play over the past year and a half deserves criticism. He hasn't played well, and I've seen little over that time to indicate that he is still a top half of the league QB. Maybe it's the crap offense he's been handed, but by all accounts, he strongly lobbied for McAdoo, so he knew what offense he was getting.
I don't think Eli has played poorly. He is playing in an offense that hasn't adjusted from the first week of last year until now to the defenses they are seeing. The playcalling and gameplan seems to want him to throw a lot of VERY short passes to get it out quickly. They run the same personnel package almost every down and they are telegraphing their plays. It is embarrassing when the D is calling out the play (that has happened on many occasions). Give Eli a real HC and a real OC and he is fine.

As an OC, I thought McAdoo did a good job. He hasn't run the same offense as 2014-2015 since becoming HC.
RE: I've thought all along that McAdoo calls out Eli  
bradshaw44 : 11/10/2017 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13684896 Section331 said:
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because he knows Eli can take it, while some of the younger players may not be able to. That said, the constant criticism does get tired, and exposes McAdoo as someone who doesn't have the answers.

I've defended Eli as strenuously as anyone on this board, but his play over the past year and a half deserves criticism. He hasn't played well, and I've seen little over that time to indicate that he is still a top half of the league QB. Maybe it's the crap offense he's been handed, but by all accounts, he strongly lobbied for McAdoo, so he knew what offense he was getting.


He’s in an offense that requires a great amount of mobility. Macadoo came here promising that he could make Eli better. He installed his system and Eli has progressively gotten worse. This falls right on Macadoo feet. He said he would have Eli completing over 70% of his throws. Now he can’t reach that number so it’s Eli’s fault? F that. BM came here with a promise and hasn’t delivered. He’s the one that needs to be held accountable.
There is this weird dynamic I notice here  
LatHarv83 : 11/10/2017 12:09 pm : link
Where it seems like this is a contingent of fans who seem like bigger Eli fans than Giants fans. I appreciate Eli’s career here as much as the next guy but I just find a lot of this weird. No need to name names and if you take offense to this post it’s probably because you are one of them
Seems like there* is a contingent of fans  
LatHarv83 : 11/10/2017 12:12 pm : link
Should read like that
RE: RE: I've thought all along that McAdoo calls out Eli  
Matt M. : 11/10/2017 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13684908 bradshaw44 said:
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In comment 13684896 Section331 said:


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because he knows Eli can take it, while some of the younger players may not be able to. That said, the constant criticism does get tired, and exposes McAdoo as someone who doesn't have the answers.

I've defended Eli as strenuously as anyone on this board, but his play over the past year and a half deserves criticism. He hasn't played well, and I've seen little over that time to indicate that he is still a top half of the league QB. Maybe it's the crap offense he's been handed, but by all accounts, he strongly lobbied for McAdoo, so he knew what offense he was getting.



He’s in an offense that requires a great amount of mobility. Macadoo came here promising that he could make Eli better. He installed his system and Eli has progressively gotten worse. This falls right on Macadoo feet. He said he would have Eli completing over 70% of his throws. Now he can’t reach that number so it’s Eli’s fault? F that. BM came here with a promise and hasn’t delivered. He’s the one that needs to be held accountable.
That's just not true. the offense he installed when he came over saw 2 of Eli's best seasons. He is running a different offense the last 2 years. I don't know if Coughlin's influence still existed in 2014-2015 over the offense. But, that version of the WCO was working.
RE: Look Eli isn't going to be the QB of the Giants much longer  
ajr2456 : 11/10/2017 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13684794 arniefez said:
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and he's no longer one of the top 5 QBs in he NFL, still in the top half at least though. The issue I have with McAdoo is that he been dumping on Eli for over a year and only on Eli. If the Giants had 22 starters playing at Eli's level they'd be one of the best teams in the NFL.


No order:

1. Brees
2. Brady
3. Watson
4. Smith
5. Rodgers
6. Wentz
7. Carr
8. Wilson
9. Mariota
10. Winston
11. Ryan
12. Cousins
13. Goff
14. Ben
15. Stafford


So at best Eli is 16th. And that's not counting that guys like McCown are out playing him.
RE: RE: RE: I've thought all along that McAdoo calls out Eli  
bradshaw44 : 11/10/2017 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13684920 Matt M. said:
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In comment 13684908 bradshaw44 said:


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In comment 13684896 Section331 said:


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because he knows Eli can take it, while some of the younger players may not be able to. That said, the constant criticism does get tired, and exposes McAdoo as someone who doesn't have the answers.

I've defended Eli as strenuously as anyone on this board, but his play over the past year and a half deserves criticism. He hasn't played well, and I've seen little over that time to indicate that he is still a top half of the league QB. Maybe it's the crap offense he's been handed, but by all accounts, he strongly lobbied for McAdoo, so he knew what offense he was getting.



He’s in an offense that requires a great amount of mobility. Macadoo came here promising that he could make Eli better. He installed his system and Eli has progressively gotten worse. This falls right on Macadoo feet. He said he would have Eli completing over 70% of his throws. Now he can’t reach that number so it’s Eli’s fault? F that. BM came here with a promise and hasn’t delivered. He’s the one that needs to be held accountable.

That's just not true. the offense he installed when he came over saw 2 of Eli's best seasons. He is running a different offense the last 2 years. I don't know if Coughlin's influence still existed in 2014-2015 over the offense. But, that version of the WCO was working.


It’s my understanding he was still using TCs playbook the first two seasons. Making it not his offense.
Admit it, you all knew the season  
mikeygiants : 11/10/2017 12:28 pm : link
was going to be a disaster the minute McAdoo unveiled his new slicked back hair cut last spring/summer.
RE: One thing I notice about Reese and McAdoof  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 11/10/2017 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13684710 trueblueinpw said:
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They both evade responsibility with doublespeak: “It’s all on me I’m the head coach and this falls on my shoulders, but everyone is accountable...”. “I’m the GM, it’s all on me but everyone is accountable...”. “Eli’s done so much and I respect him but everyone is accountable...”. McAdoof and Reach are cut from the same cloth.

Attitude follows leadership. Get rid of GM, the entire coaching staff. Start over.



Really? I'm not sure I'm going to take lessons in "leadership and accountability" from somebody calling them "McAdoof and Reach".

Nothing but manchildren around here when they're losing.
Packers offense scheme stinks  
spike : 11/10/2017 12:49 pm : link
The only way it worked was due to Aaron rodgers.

See how the Packers are faring now
RE: There is this weird dynamic I notice here  
Les in TO : 11/10/2017 12:53 pm : link
In comment 13684914 LatHarv83 said:
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Where it seems like this is a contingent of fans who seem like bigger Eli fans than Giants fans. I appreciate Eli’s career here as much as the next guy but I just find a lot of this weird. No need to name names and if you take offense to this post it’s probably because you are one of them
it definitely feels like this is Eli Manning Interactive some days
RE: RE: Look Eli isn't going to be the QB of the Giants much longer  
HomerJones45 : 11/10/2017 12:55 pm : link
In comment 13684819 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13684794 arniefez said:


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and he's no longer one of the top 5 QBs in he NFL, still in the top half at least though. The issue I have with McAdoo is that he been dumping on Eli for over a year and only on Eli. If the Giants had 22 starters playing at Eli's level they'd be one of the best teams in the NFL.



IMO, that's simply not true. He didn't play well last week. He didn't play well versus the Chargers. He's had 2 good games and another in which he did exactly what was needed of him however little that was (DEN). In the other games, I'll give him a pass. That's not a good ratio through 8 games.

You wanna say if they had 22 players preparing like Eli or giving effort like Eli that they'd be much better, I agree. But his on the field performance is as much a part of the problem as anyone else. I love Eli, but failure to acknowledge the role his play has in this is the sign of a fanboy.
This may come as a shock to you, but every qb misses open receivers and gasp some passes even miss high. What is missing in this offense is opportunity. We are near the bottom of the league in yards per attempt and in 20+ yard completions.

You see a miss on the one or two deep passes we try all game and conclude "Eli is missing deep passes", never mind that other qb's are getting 4 or 5 chances a game on a deep throw. We've had 3 40+ yard completions- 1 more than such luminaries and part-time players as Hogan, Semien and Trubisky. When Kizer and McCown have more 20+ yard completions than Eli Manning and when Eli is at a historic low in yards/attempt while maintaining a completion pct, the problem lies elsewhere.

It's a bad offense and has been since McAdoo was given sole control over it. That falls squarely on the supposedly offensively-minded coach.
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