Hey guys
Im a New Yorker living in Chinag Mai Thailand the last 14 years. I watch every Jint game in the middle of the night im 51 we had the season tix what ever.
this post is not meant to cause alot of shit.
just looking a numbers kind of thing...
Eli is going no where unless TC convinces him to come to Jax on a 2 year contract
ODELL is coming up... on a contract year. i just don't know im on the fence on this.
he is awesome but for 18 million a year awesome ? for a team that is 1-7 this year.
its a tough call.
What do you Fellow BBI guys and girls say?
Odell is young and just starting his amazing career and will need to get paid soon.
Because our older, no longer elite QB makes money, you want to let the best WR in football go?
If you can't afford both, you cut Eli in a second.
Odell is young and just starting his amazing career and will need to get paid soon.
Because our older, no longer elite QB makes money, you want to let the best WR in football go?
If you can't afford both, you cut Eli in a second.
Thank you.
Unpopular opinion but that's how I would handle it. We haven't won anything with OBJ, not saying it's his fault; but I'd choose to sell him instead of paying him top dollar when our franchise QB is nearing the finish line and etc etc..
Use the picks for new WRs, OL and Defensmen
What makes you think they won't draft a franchise QB at the top of the first round?
I agree that you make all effort to sign Odell, but not at all costs. His agent has said he wants Odell to be paid like a top QB, the Giants can't do that. If it's $18 mill per, yes, give the man his money.
OBJ is a different story. He is polarizing and will be expensive to keep. Is a any WR worth 15-20M per year? There are realistic arguments on either side. Personally I don't think he is worth a top contract due to injury risk (Cruz, Nicks are recent examples) and it makes your roster worse elsewhere.
OBJ is a different story. He is polarizing and will be expensive to keep. Is a any WR worth 15-20M per year? There are realistic arguments on either side. Personally I don't think he is worth a top contract due to injury risk (Cruz, Nicks are recent examples) and it makes your roster worse elsewhere.
Any player, including the next qb is at risk for a career changing injury though.
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He can't just "go" to JAX if he wants. And you sign Beckham at all costs.
I agree that you make all effort to sign Odell, but not at all costs. His agent has said he wants Odell to be paid like a top QB, the Giants can't do that. If it's $18 mill per, yes, give the man his money.
What agent doesn't say things like that? He'll get top WR money, not QB money.
Fans are often complaining about our picks not receiving second contracts and now that the Giants have a player who is fully deserving of it, people are hesitant about paying him.
Yes, he's a little wacky and dramatic. Yes, he has cost the team at times with unnecessary acts. However, you can't really deny how special he has been. Look back at our schedule since he was drafted and how many wins are directly contributed to Odell being the difference maker. Even in a majority of the losses, Odell is the reason the game is within reach. The positives outweigh the negatives.
LB sucks and has been for years well we all know what else sucks im a huge a Beckum fan but for a fantastic wr who can't catch a ball from a fantastic qb because of a shitty line is it with it
Then you get Eli off the cap. You don't let the amazing young talent walk because you have Eli on the books for 2 more years. Does that make any sense?
Having said that, I'm not all in on him right now either. Not at QB-level salary.
I'm with those who say play out the fifth year and use the FT. Offer him a lucrative contract and structure it so the cap hits fit in with our longer-term plans. If he won't sign after that so be it.
We need to find another legit threat at WR anyway. While I expect him to recover and still be a star, if he loses even 5% of what he used to be because of injury he will still be a great WR, but not irreplaceable.
We've had plenty of injuries to WR who we thought were going to be Giants for life.
UMMM, no.. Not even close. Give me a break on the LT value comparisons. OBJ is not LT to the Giants. LT changed the LEAGUE... OBJ isn't even the best WR in the league right now, let alone of ALL-TIME! LT was a once in a lifetime Player.. With all the passing in today's game LT would have 20 plus sacks a season....Please stop with the OBJ and LT comparisons.
You realize an aging QBs cap hit is hurting us. You move on from Eli and pay Odell. You don’t let elite talent walk away
Eli is at end of career, he hasn't grown. Still making same mistakes he did 10 years ago. has he learned nothing from Payton - Get rid of ball, stop fumbling.
let him go out on his terms- If TC wants him - Eli probably would go. Get conditional draft pick.
Odell is a great talent though childish. If someone wants him for an early 1st rd or Pro bowl OL - It was great watching.
Reese goes- he had 10 years. MacMagoo ?
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I'd trade OBJ for a plethora of draft picks.
Unpopular opinion but that's how I would handle it. We haven't won anything with OBJ, not saying it's his fault; but I'd choose to sell him instead of paying him top dollar when our franchise QB is nearing the finish line and etc etc..
Use the picks for new WRs, OL and Defensmen
One more injury to OBJ that diminishes his speed would be
catastrophic to the money he is going to garner .
Let Eli finish up his career get Webb ready to go and
rebuild with the draft and free agency .
Eli is at end of career, he hasn't grown. Still making same mistakes he did 10 years ago. has he learned nothing from Payton - Get rid of ball, stop fumbling.
let him go out on his terms- If TC wants him - Eli probably would go. Get conditional draft pick.
Odell is a great talent though childish. If someone wants him for an early 1st rd or Pro bowl OL - It was great watching.
Reese goes- he had 10 years. MacMagoo ?
that was a very analysis of whats going on here
Other than that I think they use all options to keep him here as inexpensively as possible until Eli is off the books.
The only game that matters is consistency in regular season games, and in postseason. So far, he has not show that he is a CLUTCH playmaker in postseason as a goal, otherwise he is a JAG with hype. He is not elite, contrary to popular belief. There are other guys that carry teams to postseason AND advance.
Point to results. Sorry to be that guy, but let's be realistic in a time of underachiever, quitters, and hyped individuals that are not DURABLE.
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and sign/extend Odell. No brainer, the kid is a game changer.
The only game that matters is consistency in regular season games, and in postseason. So far, he has not show that he is a CLUTCH playmaker in postseason as a goal, otherwise he is a JAG with hype. He is not elite, contrary to popular belief. There are other guys that carry teams to postseason AND advance.
Point to results. Sorry to be that guy, but let's be realistic in a time of underachiever, quitters, and hyped individuals that are not DURABLE.
He’s played one playoff game for crying out loud. Eli threw 3 picks in his first one
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and sign/extend Odell. No brainer, the kid is a game changer.
The only game that matters is consistency in regular season games, and in postseason. So far, he has not show that he is a CLUTCH playmaker in postseason as a goal, otherwise he is a JAG with hype. He is not elite, contrary to popular belief. There are other guys that carry teams to postseason AND advance.
Point to results. Sorry to be that guy, but let's be realistic in a time of underachiever, quitters, and hyped individuals that are not DURABLE.
He’s played one playoff game for crying out loud. Eli threw 3 picks in his first one
yeah, and he fucked that up with boating activities, and cheese on shoestrings. Somebody that you can count on in the clutch..seriously man. Stop with the Eli stuff, team focused effort and he did not show up. The results are on record, not much you can defend on this beyond rhetoric.
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and sign/extend Odell. No brainer, the kid is a game changer.
The only game that matters is consistency in regular season games, and in postseason. So far, he has not show that he is a CLUTCH playmaker in postseason as a goal, otherwise he is a JAG with hype. He is not elite, contrary to popular belief. There are other guys that carry teams to postseason AND advance.
Point to results. Sorry to be that guy, but let's be realistic in a time of underachiever, quitters, and hyped individuals that are not DURABLE.
He’s played one playoff game for crying out loud. Eli threw 3 picks in his first one
And they got shut out. This is not an issue. There is a good chance this is Eli's last year here as the Giants can save $10MM by releasing him. If they give him one more year, Odell is only making a modest $8MM. I have no doubt the Giants will be drafting a QB at the top of the draft next spring so the timing works out. Odell is making big money on his second contract while the Giants have a cost controlled QB on a rookie contract for 5 years.
I don't know what the exact numbers are but just for sake of simplicity let's say Odell gets a deal at $18MM per. The rookie QB makes $5MM. That $23MM total is still less than the market value of franchise QBs as of today. This should not be a problem.
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and sign/extend Odell. No brainer, the kid is a game changer.
The only game that matters is consistency in regular season games, and in postseason. So far, he has not show that he is a CLUTCH playmaker in postseason as a goal, otherwise he is a JAG with hype. He is not elite, contrary to popular belief. There are other guys that carry teams to postseason AND advance.
Point to results. Sorry to be that guy, but let's be realistic in a time of underachiever, quitters, and hyped individuals that are not DURABLE.
He’s played one playoff game for crying out loud. Eli threw 3 picks in his first one
yeah, and he fucked that up with boating activities, and cheese on shoestrings. Somebody that you can count on in the clutch..seriously man. Stop with the Eli stuff, team focused effort and he did not show up. The results are on record, not much you can defend on this beyond rhetoric.
Ah the boating activities. So one bad playoff games means you can’t count on Odell in the playoffs. All those games he won to get them there mean nothing
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and sign/extend Odell. No brainer, the kid is a game changer.
The only game that matters is consistency in regular season games, and in postseason. So far, he has not show that he is a CLUTCH playmaker in postseason as a goal, otherwise he is a JAG with hype. He is not elite, contrary to popular belief. There are other guys that carry teams to postseason AND advance.
Point to results. Sorry to be that guy, but let's be realistic in a time of underachiever, quitters, and hyped individuals that are not DURABLE.
He’s played one playoff game for crying out loud. Eli threw 3 picks in his first one
And they got shut out. This is not an issue. There is a good chance this is Eli's last year here as the Giants can save $10MM by releasing him. If they give him one more year, Odell is only making a modest $8MM. I have no doubt the Giants will be drafting a QB at the top of the draft next spring so the timing works out. Odell is making big money on his second contract while the Giants have a cost controlled QB on a rookie contract for 5 years.
I don't know what the exact numbers are but just for sake of simplicity let's say Odell gets a deal at $18MM per. The rookie QB makes $5MM. That $23MM total is still less than the market value of franchise QBs as of today. This should not be a problem.
That’s exaclty the point. The team is in a better spot money wise with Odell + rookie qb than by keeping Eli + no odell
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and sign/extend Odell. No brainer, the kid is a game changer.
The only game that matters is consistency in regular season games, and in postseason. So far, he has not show that he is a CLUTCH playmaker in postseason as a goal, otherwise he is a JAG with hype. He is not elite, contrary to popular belief. There are other guys that carry teams to postseason AND advance.
Point to results. Sorry to be that guy, but let's be realistic in a time of underachiever, quitters, and hyped individuals that are not DURABLE.
He’s played one playoff game for crying out loud. Eli threw 3 picks in his first one
yeah, and he fucked that up with boating activities, and cheese on shoestrings. Somebody that you can count on in the clutch..seriously man. Stop with the Eli stuff, team focused effort and he did not show up. The results are on record, not much you can defend on this beyond rhetoric.
And lol at “a JAG with hype”. Seriously, you are either a troll or don’t watch football
Eli's contract comes off the books simultaneously with Odell's new deal. Giants have a new QB playing on a rookie deal instead of 20mil a year like Eli for the entirety of Odell's new deal. The cap hit of Odell's deal is offset.