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Greg Robinson released

Bubba : 11/10/2017 2:24 pm
by Detroit. What do we have to lose at this point by at least looking at him?
What's the point?  
BigBlue4You09 : 11/10/2017 2:25 pm : link
?
Trying to build the ALL-TIME First Round Bust.....  
MOOPS : 11/10/2017 2:29 pm : link
Offensive Line?
Everyone Talks About All The Can't-Miss QBs...  
Jim in Tampa : 11/10/2017 2:29 pm : link
That "miss" but it sure seems like there have been at least as many can't-miss OL (including a number of top 5 picks) that haven't panned out lately.
RE: Trying to build the ALL-TIME First Round Bust.....  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 11/10/2017 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13685116 MOOPS said:
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Offensive Line?


Championship!
He's banged up  
Banks : 11/10/2017 2:31 pm : link
and probably won't play until we are 2-10. What a massive disappointment he's been. Reminds me of Mike Williams
RE: Everyone Talks About All The Can't-Miss QBs...  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 11/10/2017 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13685117 Jim in Tampa said:
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That "miss" but it sure seems like there have been at least as many can't-miss OL (including a number of top 5 picks) that haven't panned out lately.


OL and QB are the hardest positions to theoretically predict to the next level. Your much better hoarding as many OL or paying for proven commodities in the NFL.
RE: RE: Everyone Talks About All The Can't-Miss QBs...  
Jim in Tampa : 11/10/2017 2:48 pm : link
In comment 13685127 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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That "miss" but it sure seems like there have been at least as many can't-miss OL (including a number of top 5 picks) that haven't panned out lately.



OL and QB are the hardest positions to theoretically predict to the next level. Your much better hoarding as many OL or paying for proven commodities in the NFL.


That may be true these days with so many colleges using the spread offense which stunts the NFL development of top QBs and OL...but back in the day OTs had one of the lowest bust rates, because if they failed at OT, they might still be able to play G.
He's been worse than Flowers.  
Keith : 11/10/2017 2:50 pm : link
What do we have to lose? Eli's life?
Hard to say  
jvm52106 : 11/10/2017 2:51 pm : link
it would be a step with Bobby Hart freaking starting....
but...  
BronxBombers : 11/10/2017 3:03 pm : link
can he play guard, our guards suck too. he cant be worse than Jerry!
I'm in the Detroit area  
lugnut : 11/10/2017 3:22 pm : link
and watched some games. He's awful. Flagged every other play.
He can't be worse than some of these guys  
spike : 11/10/2017 3:35 pm : link
Use our waiver wire power! #3!
Greg Robinson is horrible.  
Mr. Bungle : 11/10/2017 3:39 pm : link
The only times he doesn't get beaten is when he's blatantly holding the defender.
Robinson  
AndyB : 11/10/2017 3:40 pm : link
Greg Robinson made Ereck Flowers look like Anthony Munoz.

The Giants saw Robinson in Week-2. His footwork and balance are absolutely terrible. As a result, he's constantly reaching and grabbing. In that game he also had one false start and two holding penalties.

Robinson was on the Lions roster primarily because Taylor Decker was injured in the spring during OTA's. Now that Decker's off PUP and is practicing, Robinson's gone.

Robinson was just another in an endless line of failed draft picks. Nothing unusual there. It happens to every team, every year. Most draft picks will do little or nothing in pro football. No one knows it better than the team that drafted Robinson, the Rams. They took another left tackle, Jason Smith, with the second overall pick in 2009. He was worse than Robinson.

Success or failure in the NFL draft is largely random.
sounds like FLowers  
spike : 11/10/2017 3:41 pm : link
with the bad footwork and the reaching/holding to make up for it.

Can he be a guard?
FLowers has been our second best OL player behind Pugh  
PatersonPlank : 11/10/2017 3:43 pm : link
I think the Flowers bashing needs to move on
RE: Robinson  
spike : 11/10/2017 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13685215 AndyB said:
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Greg Robinson made Ereck Flowers look like Anthony Munoz.

The Giants saw Robinson in Week-2. His footwork and balance are absolutely terrible. As a result, he's constantly reaching and grabbing. In that game he also had one false start and two holding penalties.

Robinson was on the Lions roster primarily because Taylor Decker was injured in the spring during OTA's. Now that Decker's off PUP and is practicing, Robinson's gone.

Robinson was just another in an endless line of failed draft picks. Nothing unusual there. It happens to every team, every year. Most draft picks will do little or nothing in pro football. No one knows it better than the team that drafted Robinson, the Rams. They took another left tackle, Jason Smith, with the second overall pick in 2009. He was worse than Robinson.

Success or failure in the NFL draft is largely random.


That 2009 draft was brutal. It was Stafford first, followed by multiple busts. Glad the Giants took Nicks at the end of first.
He's been incredibly bad. Ian Allen bad.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/10/2017 3:50 pm : link
He absolutely is worse than what we have here.
RE: RE: Robinson  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 11/10/2017 4:55 pm : link
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Greg Robinson made Ereck Flowers look like Anthony Munoz.

The Giants saw Robinson in Week-2. His footwork and balance are absolutely terrible. As a result, he's constantly reaching and grabbing. In that game he also had one false start and two holding penalties.

Robinson was on the Lions roster primarily because Taylor Decker was injured in the spring during OTA's. Now that Decker's off PUP and is practicing, Robinson's gone.

Robinson was just another in an endless line of failed draft picks. Nothing unusual there. It happens to every team, every year. Most draft picks will do little or nothing in pro football. No one knows it better than the team that drafted Robinson, the Rams. They took another left tackle, Jason Smith, with the second overall pick in 2009. He was worse than Robinson.

Success or failure in the NFL draft is largely random.



That 2009 draft was brutal. It was Stafford first, followed by multiple busts. Glad the Giants took Nicks at the end of first.


One of the reasons I have supported Reese. So many opportunities to completely blow first rounders and he always finds a good player. Injuries are another thing though.
RE: Trying to build the ALL-TIME First Round Bust.....  
Diver_Down : 11/10/2017 5:01 pm : link
In comment 13685116 MOOPS said:
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Offensive Line?


We are almost there. Pugh, Fluker, Flowers...
RE: RE: Trying to build the ALL-TIME First Round Bust.....  
figgy2989 : 11/10/2017 5:05 pm : link
In comment 13685290 Diver_Down said:
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Offensive Line?



We are almost there. Pugh, Fluker, Flowers...


How is Pugh considered a bust?
RE: RE: RE: Trying to build the ALL-TIME First Round Bust.....  
Diver_Down : 11/10/2017 5:36 pm : link
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Offensive Line?



We are almost there. Pugh, Fluker, Flowers...



How is Pugh considered a bust?


He was a mid-first round pick and currently carries an 8.8M cap hit. He should be expected to not only perform at a high level but also make the players around him better. In his 5 years, he should have earned some recognition.

Let's list his accomplishments -
- Can not be counted on to play week to week for the past 4 years. He has proven capable of missing multiple games in a row.
- He is considered our best OL from a team that has one of the worst offensive lines.
- All-Pro? Nope.
- Pro-Bowl? Nope.
- Alternate to a Pro-Bowler? Nope.
- An Alternate to an Alternate to a Pro-Bowler? Nope.
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FStubbs : 11/10/2017 5:43 pm : link
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Offensive Line?



We are almost there. Pugh, Fluker, Flowers...



How is Pugh considered a bust?



He was a mid-first round pick and currently carries an 8.8M cap hit. He should be expected to not only perform at a high level but also make the players around him better. In his 5 years, he should have earned some recognition.

Let's list his accomplishments -
- Can not be counted on to play week to week for the past 4 years. He has proven capable of missing multiple games in a row.
- He is considered our best OL from a team that has one of the worst offensive lines.
- All-Pro? Nope.
- Pro-Bowl? Nope.
- Alternate to a Pro-Bowler? Nope.
- An Alternate to an Alternate to a Pro-Bowler? Nope.


I think Reese has been bad hte last few years with his first round picks, but for a mid first round pick? Pugh is decent. He can play 4 positions on the line at a reasonably good level. He's injury prone but that's the only real knock on him.
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Diver_Down : 11/10/2017 5:52 pm : link
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Offensive Line?



We are almost there. Pugh, Fluker, Flowers...



How is Pugh considered a bust?



He was a mid-first round pick and currently carries an 8.8M cap hit. He should be expected to not only perform at a high level but also make the players around him better. In his 5 years, he should have earned some recognition.

Let's list his accomplishments -
- Can not be counted on to play week to week for the past 4 years. He has proven capable of missing multiple games in a row.
- He is considered our best OL from a team that has one of the worst offensive lines.
- All-Pro? Nope.
- Pro-Bowl? Nope.
- Alternate to a Pro-Bowler? Nope.
- An Alternate to an Alternate to a Pro-Bowler? Nope.



I think Reese has been bad hte last few years with his first round picks, but for a mid first round pick? Pugh is decent. He can play 4 positions on the line at a reasonably good level. He's injury prone but that's the only real knock on him.


Certainly, a jack-of-all trades journeyman can be found in the second or third round. For a mid-first round pick, it is not unreasonable to expect in their 5 year tenure to achieve some sort of recognition. Being the best of the worst OL is hardly a feather in his cap. Also, journeyman OL are not paid $8.8M/yr.
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figgy2989 : 11/10/2017 7:22 pm : link
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Offensive Line?



We are almost there. Pugh, Fluker, Flowers...



How is Pugh considered a bust?



He was a mid-first round pick and currently carries an 8.8M cap hit. He should be expected to not only perform at a high level but also make the players around him better. In his 5 years, he should have earned some recognition.

Let's list his accomplishments -
- Can not be counted on to play week to week for the past 4 years. He has proven capable of missing multiple games in a row.
- He is considered our best OL from a team that has one of the worst offensive lines.
- All-Pro? Nope.
- Pro-Bowl? Nope.
- Alternate to a Pro-Bowler? Nope.
- An Alternate to an Alternate to a Pro-Bowler? Nope.



I think Reese has been bad hte last few years with his first round picks, but for a mid first round pick? Pugh is decent. He can play 4 positions on the line at a reasonably good level. He's injury prone but that's the only real knock on him.



Certainly, a jack-of-all trades journeyman can be found in the second or third round. For a mid-first round pick, it is not unreasonable to expect in their 5 year tenure to achieve some sort of recognition. Being the best of the worst OL is hardly a feather in his cap. Also, journeyman OL are not paid $8.8M/yr.


Diver I agree, not necessarily an All-Pro, but by no means a bust. If you think he is that terrible, watch how much he gets in the open market next year. Bottoms line, the line is better with him in the lineup
Absolutely should be looked at...  
Jimmy Googs : 11/10/2017 7:34 pm : link
We have one win thus far so lets please drop the pride thing...
Bad players are bad players  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/10/2017 8:07 pm : link
It's not a matter of pride. He's already washed out from two teams. You're not going to get better digging through garbage cans.
There is no getting worse...  
Jimmy Googs : 11/10/2017 8:33 pm : link
there is only status quo or better.

And when you can't draft well or develop well, you damn well need to be looking for a few needles in a haystack...
Justin Pugh  
jacob12 : 11/11/2017 9:50 am : link
Justin Pugh was first team All Pro left guard,on the ESPN mid season NFL All-Pro team.
RE: Justin Pugh  
Diver_Down : 11/11/2017 9:56 am : link
In comment 13685716 jacob12 said:
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Justin Pugh was first team All Pro left guard,on the ESPN mid season NFL All-Pro team.


Are we handing out awards at half-way points? Was the judging before he missed last week? Your response is close to the sharpshooter fallacy where you cherrypick a limited dataset to prop up your argument. But by all means, I'll gladly recognize his accomplishments if he ever achieves them at the end of the season. I won't hold my breath.
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