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Ten Ton Hammer : 11/10/2017 3:06 pm
Source: https://dailyknicks.com/2017/11/10/new-york-knicks-encouraging-statistics-6-5/amp/1/

Some good stuff here that illustrates where the success is coming from.

Jack leads the Knicks with an average of 5.4 assists to just 1.6 turnovers in 25.7 minutes per game. Not only has Jack revitalized the Knicks’ offense, but he’s accumulated an outstanding assist-to-turnover ratio of 3.50—No. 5 in the NBA amongst players averaging at least 5.0 assists per game.

Those numbers become even more impressive when translated to averages of 7.6 assists and 2.2 turnovers per 36 minutes.


Ntilikina isn’t far behind with averages of 5.0 assists to 2.2 turnovers in just 19.9 minutes per game—good for an efficient assist-to-turnover ratio of 2.25. The numbers jump from solid to awe-inspiring when one considers that Ntilikina is averaging 9.1 assists per 36 minutes—borderline elite production.

With Ntilikina and Jack facilitating the offense, New York is averaging its most points per game since 2010-11 and its most assists per contest since 1994-95.




In the nine games Ntilikina has appeared in, the New York Knicks have accumulated a net rating of +4.8. When Ntilikina hasn’t been on the court, that number has plummeted to -6.0—a difference of 10.8 points per 100 possessions.

New York is not only 5.7 points per 100 possessions better on offense with Ntilikina on the court, but 5.1 points per 100 possessions worse on defense when he isn’t.

In addition to making a positive impact on the team, Ntilikina has bordered on dominance as a ball hawk. He ranks No. 3 in the NBA in deflections per 36 minutes, trailing just 6’9& #8243; forwards Paul George and Robert Covington, and is averaging 2.8 steals per 36.



Perhaps the most important number is that the Knicks rank No. 4 in the NBA in points allowed in the paint per game. No two players have played a more significant role in that level of success than Porzingis and Kyle O’Quinn—New York’s resident shot-blockers.

Credit must also go to the Knicks’ vastly improved perimeter defenders, but Porzingis and O’Quinn have combined to average a dominant 5.2 blocks per 36 minutes.

Where Enes Kanter comes into the equation is the manner in which New York has obliterated teams along the offensive interior. Porzingis currently ranks No. 3 in points via post ups per game, while Kanter is No. 2 in points per possession out of post ups.

Throw in the fact that New York is No. 1 in the NBA in points in the paint per game, and the Knicks have been unequivocally dominant down low.


I can't believe we finally have a PG who plays suffocating defense.  
bceagle05 : 11/10/2017 3:38 pm : link
I've mentioned this before, but it's such a luxury to have KP and Frank as building blocks - both are long and versatile, and play both ends of the court. It makes it easy to fit pieces around them, as opposed to one-dimensional players who need a very specific supporting cast to cover for their weaknesses.
When Frank's scoring comes around  
Heisenberg : 11/10/2017 3:42 pm : link
and there's reason to believe it will, he will be pretty darn good.
RE: I can't believe we finally have a PG who plays suffocating defense.  
Keith : 11/10/2017 3:53 pm : link
In comment 13685208 bceagle05 said:
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I've mentioned this before, but it's such a luxury to have KP and Frank as building blocks - both are long and versatile, and play both ends of the court. It makes it easy to fit pieces around them, as opposed to one-dimensional players who need a very specific supporting cast to cover for their weaknesses.


Spot on. Its much easier to build a team around well rounded players. Much.

The PG's have been huge for us and it goes beyond the numbers. It's not just the total assists, its when they have those assists. Jack is a savvy vet who has a great feel for the flow of a game and he knows who to get the ball to at certain points.
It also helps the assist numbers  
Keith : 11/10/2017 3:58 pm : link
when you have an offense that moves like ours. The ball and the offense is constantly loving. Jack passes to KP and KP scores, assist.

Pass to Melo, watch him hold the ball for 20 seconds, dribble left and then right and then score, no assist. Not to mention Rose didn't pass much at all to begin with.
Per Begley  
BigBlueShock : 11/10/2017 4:04 pm : link
Dotson and Baker assigned to the GLeague
Dotson will be back before long. He can play at this level.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/10/2017 4:09 pm : link
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Unless something's changed  
bceagle05 : 11/10/2017 4:37 pm : link
I think players can shuttle back and forth from the G-League. It's just an opportunity to get them some game action - I'd expect them both back with the Knicks for tomorrow night's game.
RE: I can't believe we finally have a PG who plays suffocating defense.  
Jay on the Island : 11/10/2017 5:37 pm : link
In comment 13685208 bceagle05 said:
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I've mentioned this before, but it's such a luxury to have KP and Frank as building blocks - both are long and versatile, and play both ends of the court. It makes it easy to fit pieces around them, as opposed to one-dimensional players who need a very specific supporting cast to cover for their weaknesses.

I have wanted a PG like Frank for the longest time. I prefer a PG who can play great defense and high assist totals. For all the things that Phil Jackson he deserves a lot of credit for taking KP and Frank.
Jack  
Jim in Fairfax : 11/10/2017 5:53 pm : link
Is way out-performing his career Assist-TO ratio of 2.25. Wonder if it’s sustainable.
TTH - very nice post.  
Ira : 11/10/2017 5:56 pm : link
Losing Derrick Rose was such a big gain for our offense.
I refuse to let McDermott...  
manh george : 11/10/2017 6:04 pm : link
be left out of this discussion. 46.9% from the three, and it isn't a fluke. He worked out hard in the off-season, and is in the best shape of his life. His movement without the ball is the best for a Knick in recent memory. His defense isn't great, but reasonable.

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Per Marc Berman of The New York Post, big man Kyle O’Quinn summarized McDermott’s game perfectly: “Just find him…he’ll make you look good.”

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RE: I refuse to let McDermott...  
Earl the goat : 11/10/2017 7:15 pm : link
In comment 13685350 manh george said:
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be left out of this discussion. 46.9% from the three, and it isn't a fluke. He worked out hard in the off-season, and is in the best shape of his life. His movement without the ball is the best for a Knick in recent memory. His defense isn't great, but reasonable.

I can see Mvdermott replacing Lee in the starting lineup



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Per Marc Berman of The New York Post, big man Kyle O’Quinn summarized McDermott’s game perfectly: “Just find him…he’ll make you look good.”

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It's shocking  
bceagle05 : 11/10/2017 7:21 pm : link
when Dougie misses an open look.
Knicks as of right now are not going to find that next big piece  
nygiants16 : 11/10/2017 7:48 pm : link
in the draft unless they get lucky, they will be able to find role players but the next star will likelt be in free agency..

what about klay thompson? he is the most likely player to leave golden state, seems like a good fit
Amazing isn't it????  
Chris L. : 11/10/2017 7:52 pm : link
Melo for Kanter and Dougie McBuckets...a lopsided deal in the Knicks favor. We get rid of the cancer and replace with two young talented players with lots of upside.
RE: Knicks as of right now are not going to find that next big piece  
mfsd : 11/10/2017 7:56 pm : link
In comment 13685453 nygiants16 said:
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in the draft unless they get lucky, they will be able to find role players but the next star will likelt be in free agency..

what about klay thompson? he is the most likely player to leave golden state, seems like a good fit


Francesca was talking up Klay as the perfect FA target for this Knicks team

Imagine KP, Frank, THjr, then upgrade from Lee to Klay Thompson? Whoa
Only other way  
bceagle05 : 11/10/2017 7:59 pm : link
is to stockpile enough good young players to make a trade for a guy forcing his way out of somewhere, like how we acquired Melo. Shaq and Paul George are other examples. You often wind up gutting your supporting cast.
RE: Knicks as of right now are not going to find that next big piece  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/10/2017 8:05 pm : link
In comment 13685453 nygiants16 said:
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in the draft unless they get lucky, they will be able to find role players but the next star will likelt be in free agency..

what about klay thompson? he is the most likely player to leave golden state, seems like a good fit


Just continue to gather up good pieces. Expecting anyone from Golden State to want to leave is a pipe dream imo.
if we max KP  
Enzo : 11/10/2017 8:10 pm : link
next summer, having max room for a 9 year vet like Klay in 2019 would be extremely difficult. Klay's max would start north of $30 million.
RE: if we max KP  
nygiants16 : 11/10/2017 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13685465 Enzo said:
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next summer, having max room for a 9 year vet like Klay in 2019 would be extremely difficult. Klay's max would start north of $30 million.


yeah would need to make some moves but its possible, especially if cap rises
RE: RE: Knicks as of right now are not going to find that next big piece  
nygiants16 : 11/10/2017 8:13 pm : link
In comment 13685461 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13685453 nygiants16 said:


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in the draft unless they get lucky, they will be able to find role players but the next star will likelt be in free agency..

what about klay thompson? he is the most likely player to leave golden state, seems like a good fit



Just continue to gather up good pieces. Expecting anyone from Golden State to want to leave is a pipe dream imo.


They are not going to be able to pay all 4 guys
Maybe not  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/10/2017 8:19 pm : link
But I'm really against worrying about chasing after someone else's stars.

Build up a quality environment here and players will want to come here. Right now the Knicks are better than expected, but some of the most important parts of why they're having this success aren't scheduled to be here long term.
I like that they call it the G league  
Vanzetti : 11/10/2017 9:22 pm : link
Very gangsta
The Knicks need to show patience  
Chris L. : 11/11/2017 10:28 am : link
something they have a hard time doing. The most important pieces are all real young and will just continue to get better (KP, Kantor, Willy, Frank, Dougie M., THJ). If they do nothing all of those guys are going to improve substancially over the next two/three years. The key is Frank. If he is the answer at PG you have the 1,4 and 5 covered. All you need is some good wing players. They can be found in the draft. Also, what wing is NOT going to want to come here with KP and the other young talent? Plus, if you are patient you will loose the Noah and Lee contracts. Draft over the next two years and then sign one more big piece...likely a wing player.
RE: I like that they call it the G league  
steve in ky : 11/11/2017 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13685498 Vanzetti said:
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Very gangsta


Until you realize the G stand for Gatorade
RE: RE: I like that they call it the G league  
PhiPsi125 : 11/11/2017 6:30 pm : link
In comment 13686035 steve in ky said:
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In comment 13685498 Vanzetti said:


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Very gangsta



Until you realize the G stand for Gatorade


Please tell me that’s not true.
It's true  
steve in ky : 11/11/2017 6:39 pm : link
Here is the original announcement
D-League to be renamed NBA Gatorade League - ( New Window )
RE: It's true  
Canton : 11/11/2017 6:53 pm : link
In comment 13686109 steve in ky said:
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Here is the original announcement D-League to be renamed NBA Gatorade League - ( New Window )


Adam Silver getting advised by Roger Goodell, on how to water down your product, down to the last electrolyte.

Please tell me you didn't actually think it was renamed "G League"  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/11/2017 7:34 pm : link
just to sound tougher.
RE: RE: It's true  
Sgrcts : 11/11/2017 7:42 pm : link
In comment 13686115 Canton said:
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In comment 13686109 steve in ky said:


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Here is the original announcement D-League to be renamed NBA Gatorade League - ( New Window )



Adam Silver getting advised by Roger Goodell, on how to water down your product, down to the last electrolyte.


Adam Silver looks like an all time great commish.
RE: Please tell me you didn't actually think it was renamed  
PhiPsi125 : 11/11/2017 9:57 pm : link
In comment 13686125 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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just to sound tougher.


Yeah, brah, that’s exactly what I was thinking. SMH.

I honestly had no idea why the name was changed.
That was actually meant for Vanzetti  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/11/2017 10:23 pm : link
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RE: That was actually meant for Vanzetti  
PhiPsi125 : 11/11/2017 10:29 pm : link
In comment 13686268 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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My bad then...thought it was directed at me.
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