where are their head coaches hinting at QB changes? Where is all the media chatter they may be done?
Higher completion pct and fewer interceptions all on more attempts, more TD's thrown, if both receiving cores had the same YAC he'd have more passing yards, he has a higher passer rating, all with no run game, no o-line, a decimated receiving core, and a HC and OC that can't get their shit together and probably will be fired by the end of the year.
The Steelers aren't contenders because of Ben. He's been complete shit this year. They just have a really good defense. A good OL. The best RB in the NFL and his elite WR.
In the end, how many wins do we have?
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The Steelers are a super bowl contender. Stats are misleading, Ben throws the ball downfield a lot more than Eli, which is going to lead to more INT.
The Steelers aren't contenders because of Ben. He's been complete shit this year. They just have a really good defense. A good OL. The best RB in the NFL and his elite WR.
Doesn’t matter, the point is nobody is going to scream bench the HOF qb who is playing fine on a Super Bowl contender
Ben dumps a lot off to Bell and on crossing patterns to Brown. He has been really bad despite this incredible talent around him. He gets excuses. Eli gets fried.
Steelers would be undefeated right now if Ben hadn't looked like garbage. He didn't look good vs. the Browns in Week 1 and was fortunate he had a great defense saving his ass.
Agree he is not the problem but we are not getting enough production for $20mm per year.
You have to wonder whether the offense would be doing better if we had a guy like McCown who makes a lot less than Eli, then spend the difference in the two salaries on a couple of solid O linemen. Improved running game, more time for the other QB to throw....
Now can't you say that about any quarterback, and can't you question the wisdom of investing $20M in that player.
And can't you question whether Eli Manning is actually doing much to make the defense's job easier, the line's job easier, the running back's job easier.
And whether at the current cost, maybe both factors could be solved with a different QB.
The Steelers have a much better team, Ben's stats should be much better, Put Eli on the Steelers and his stats would be much better than they are. Could you imagine Eli with Bell and those WR's?
The Steelers have a much better team, Ben's stats should be much better, Put Eli on the Steelers and his stats would be much better than they are. Could you imagine Eli with Bell and those WR's?
Because stats don’t tell the whole story. What type of throws are each making? What’s the game flow? How good are the defenses?
The Steelers have a much better team, Ben's stats should be much better, Put Eli on the Steelers and his stats would be much better than they are. Could you imagine Eli with Bell and those WR's?
Your first statement is exactly why this discussion can never be had around here. Never in the history of Eli has anyone ever said that Eli is the only QB that makes mistakes. Ever. That’s just made up. If anyone EVER comments in a negative light on Eli’s performance there are two narratives that people love to respond with:
1. People think other QBs don’t make mistakes
2. People keep blaming Eli for all of the teams problems
Both are completely made up bullshit. It’s ok to admit when Eli makes a bad throw or makes a boneheaded decision. Eli is a legend and I will always look at him as the greatest QB in Giants history. He’s provided us all with some of the greatest sports moments in our lives. And I’ve spent basically his entire career defending to the idiot non Giants fans who have always thought he was somehow overrated, which has always been mostly based on his draft day decision and his demeanor on the field. He’s been an easy target for people since he’s been in the league and it’s ludicrous.
But again, I’m not sure why some around here can’t have the discussion of his slippage in performance over the past couple of years without accusing people of saying things that have never been said. And Ben and Rivers both struggling have absolutely nothing to do with that. You can bet your ass that if the Steelers were 1-7 and people were calling for Tomlins head, there would be just as much chatter about the QB as there is ours.
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All other QB's are perfect. Why can't you look at the stats and acknowledge that Eli has not been anywhere near as bad as some here say? He is not the problem. The fact that the OL is still a work in progress, the defense stinks this year (which means the other team knows we are throwing), and we lost our top 4 WR's to injury, all have been big issues?
The Steelers have a much better team, Ben's stats should be much better, Put Eli on the Steelers and his stats would be much better than they are. Could you imagine Eli with Bell and those WR's?
Your first statement is exactly why this discussion can never be had around here. Never in the history of Eli has anyone ever said that Eli is the only QB that makes mistakes. Ever. That’s just made up. If anyone EVER comments in a negative light on Eli’s performance there are two narratives that people love to respond with:
1. People think other QBs don’t make mistakes
2. People keep blaming Eli for all of the teams problems
Both are completely made up bullshit. It’s ok to admit when Eli makes a bad throw or makes a boneheaded decision. Eli is a legend and I will always look at him as the greatest QB in Giants history. He’s provided us all with some of the greatest sports moments in our lives. And I’ve spent basically his entire career defending to the idiot non Giants fans who have always thought he was somehow overrated, which has always been mostly based on his draft day decision and his demeanor on the field. He’s been an easy target for people since he’s been in the league and it’s ludicrous.
But again, I’m not sure why some around here can’t have the discussion of his slippage in performance over the past couple of years without accusing people of saying things that have never been said. And Ben and Rivers both struggling have absolutely nothing to do with that. You can bet your ass that if the Steelers were 1-7 and people were calling for Tomlins head, there would be just as much chatter about the QB as there is ours.
The original post was about Eli having a better season than Big Ben and Rivers, so of course how those are doing this season is relevent. I would submit that your post shows how some people are so entrenched in their anti-Eli bias that they change the original intent of the thread to make their points.
Sweet.
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All other QB's are perfect. Why can't you look at the stats and acknowledge that Eli has not been anywhere near as bad as some here say? He is not the problem. The fact that the OL is still a work in progress, the defense stinks this year (which means the other team knows we are throwing), and we lost our top 4 WR's to injury, all have been big issues?
The Steelers have a much better team, Ben's stats should be much better, Put Eli on the Steelers and his stats would be much better than they are. Could you imagine Eli with Bell and those WR's?
Because stats don’t tell the whole story. What type of throws are each making? What’s the game flow? How good are the defenses?
You're right.
Then there's: what field position is your defense giving you, what type of protection are you getting, what YAC do your receivers get, etc.
Ben has every advantage in the book and still has not been good. Good enough? Sure but the Steelers have a winning record w/out him since 2004. You can put most QB's in his sitution right now and they'll be more than fine.
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All other QB's are perfect. Why can't you look at the stats and acknowledge that Eli has not been anywhere near as bad as some here say? He is not the problem. The fact that the OL is still a work in progress, the defense stinks this year (which means the other team knows we are throwing), and we lost our top 4 WR's to injury, all have been big issues?
The Steelers have a much better team, Ben's stats should be much better, Put Eli on the Steelers and his stats would be much better than they are. Could you imagine Eli with Bell and those WR's?
Because stats don’t tell the whole story. What type of throws are each making? What’s the game flow? How good are the defenses?
You're right.
Then there's: what field position is your defense giving you, what type of protection are you getting, what YAC do your receivers get, etc.
Ben has every advantage in the book and still has not been good. Good enough? Sure but the Steelers have a winning record w/out him since 2004. You can put most QB's in his sitution right now and they'll be more than fine.
At the end of the day his team his 6-2, he’s been playing better of late. Nobody is going to be screaming to bench him cause they’re winning. I’d bet Pittsburgh knows they need a contingency plan ASAP though.
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All other QB's are perfect. Why can't you look at the stats and acknowledge that Eli has not been anywhere near as bad as some here say? He is not the problem. The fact that the OL is still a work in progress, the defense stinks this year (which means the other team knows we are throwing), and we lost our top 4 WR's to injury, all have been big issues?
The Steelers have a much better team, Ben's stats should be much better, Put Eli on the Steelers and his stats would be much better than they are. Could you imagine Eli with Bell and those WR's?
Your first statement is exactly why this discussion can never be had around here. Never in the history of Eli has anyone ever said that Eli is the only QB that makes mistakes. Ever. That’s just made up. If anyone EVER comments in a negative light on Eli’s performance there are two narratives that people love to respond with:
1. People think other QBs don’t make mistakes
2. People keep blaming Eli for all of the teams problems
Both are completely made up bullshit. It’s ok to admit when Eli makes a bad throw or makes a boneheaded decision. Eli is a legend and I will always look at him as the greatest QB in Giants history. He’s provided us all with some of the greatest sports moments in our lives. And I’ve spent basically his entire career defending to the idiot non Giants fans who have always thought he was somehow overrated, which has always been mostly based on his draft day decision and his demeanor on the field. He’s been an easy target for people since he’s been in the league and it’s ludicrous.
But again, I’m not sure why some around here can’t have the discussion of his slippage in performance over the past couple of years without accusing people of saying things that have never been said. And Ben and Rivers both struggling have absolutely nothing to do with that. You can bet your ass that if the Steelers were 1-7 and people were calling for Tomlins head, there would be just as much chatter about the QB as there is ours.
The original post was about Eli having a better season than Big Ben and Rivers, so of course how those are doing this season is relevent. I would submit that your post shows how some people are so entrenched in their anti-Eli bias that they change the original intent of the thread to make their points.
I am the furthest thing to "anti Eli", lol. You can add THAT narrative to to the others that I mentioned. Whenever someone says Eli isn't playing well they are "anti Eli". Jeezus man.
And the entire point of your thread was to ask why people aren't calling for Ben and Rivers to be benched, which I clearly addressed. Again, just stop making shit up.
Sweet.
My thoughts exactly.
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In comment 13685738 PatersonPlank said:
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All other QB's are perfect. Why can't you look at the stats and acknowledge that Eli has not been anywhere near as bad as some here say? He is not the problem. The fact that the OL is still a work in progress, the defense stinks this year (which means the other team knows we are throwing), and we lost our top 4 WR's to injury, all have been big issues?
The Steelers have a much better team, Ben's stats should be much better, Put Eli on the Steelers and his stats would be much better than they are. Could you imagine Eli with Bell and those WR's?
Your first statement is exactly why this discussion can never be had around here. Never in the history of Eli has anyone ever said that Eli is the only QB that makes mistakes. Ever. That’s just made up. If anyone EVER comments in a negative light on Eli’s performance there are two narratives that people love to respond with:
1. People think other QBs don’t make mistakes
2. People keep blaming Eli for all of the teams problems
Both are completely made up bullshit. It’s ok to admit when Eli makes a bad throw or makes a boneheaded decision. Eli is a legend and I will always look at him as the greatest QB in Giants history. He’s provided us all with some of the greatest sports moments in our lives. And I’ve spent basically his entire career defending to the idiot non Giants fans who have always thought he was somehow overrated, which has always been mostly based on his draft day decision and his demeanor on the field. He’s been an easy target for people since he’s been in the league and it’s ludicrous.
But again, I’m not sure why some around here can’t have the discussion of his slippage in performance over the past couple of years without accusing people of saying things that have never been said. And Ben and Rivers both struggling have absolutely nothing to do with that. You can bet your ass that if the Steelers were 1-7 and people were calling for Tomlins head, there would be just as much chatter about the QB as there is ours.
The original post was about Eli having a better season than Big Ben and Rivers, so of course how those are doing this season is relevent. I would submit that your post shows how some people are so entrenched in their anti-Eli bias that they change the original intent of the thread to make their points.
I am the furthest thing to "anti Eli", lol. You can add THAT narrative to to the others that I mentioned. Whenever someone says Eli isn't playing well they are "anti Eli". Jeezus man.
And the entire point of your thread was to ask why people aren't calling for Ben and Rivers to be benched, which I clearly addressed. Again, just stop making shit up.
Its not my thread, I was just adding my two cents like everyone else. Sorry if you don't agree.
Exactly. And somehow that should eliminate discussion and opinions on how to plan or move forward without him.
The day comes for all great QBs. There are maybe one or two who rode off into the sunset. But mostly age and eroded skill force the teams hand.
With a QB his age a good team will be ultra-critical and aware and should bow out earlier rather than later.
You really have an agenda don't you..
He has an elite defense, probably the best RB and WR in the game...
Oh I forgot "a top 10 QB can win without a supporting cast"
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He isn’t the problem, but he’s not having an above average year.
Agree he is not the problem but we are not getting enough production for $20mm per year.
You have to wonder whether the offense would be doing better if we had a guy like McCown who makes a lot less than Eli, then spend the difference in the two salaries on a couple of solid O linemen. Improved running game, more time for the other QB to throw....
Don’t we have like $11 mil in cap space? We could have gotten an OL like whitworth. Eli’s salary is not hampering this team, technically. It’s amazing to me that all my friends that are die hards of teams like the Pats and Steelers think Eli is playing fine and it’s the team around him that’s failing. And terry Bradshaw sees it the same way. Eli has always had trouble when his OL is terrible and the talent around him is weak. The FO knew that when they gave him his contract.
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The Steelers are a super bowl contender. Stats are misleading, Ben throws the ball downfield a lot more than Eli, which is going to lead to more INT.
You really have an agenda don't you..
He has an elite defense, probably the best RB and WR in the game...
Oh I forgot "a top 10 QB can win without a supporting cast"
You really fail to get the points. Why would Steelers want to bench him when they’re winning?
When it was pointed out the Steelers are winning in spite of Ben you doubled down..
So basically you got owned...
And for the record Ben has had a much better supporting cast his whole career..
Anyhow Eli isn't the problem.. he isn't perfect but he isn't the problem.. problem is the fact that JR doesn't understand how to build a team..
He's got a shit supporting cast but please stop the nonsense that he's playing well because he complete a lot of 4 yard passes on 3rd and long.