Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner
 

Archived Thread

baker mayfield

snickers : 11/11/2017 10:07 pm
Oklahoma is really playing lights out tonight against TCU and Mayfield is quite the stud. Reminds me alot of Drew Brees in his demeanor and in how he throws the football. I can only go by what I see, but if he is not one of the top QBs and Rosen is that much better then Rosen must be very special. He would certainly be fun to watch should we go QB in the first round as he can really make all the throws. Is he considered a day one prospect by the pundits? Do his off field issues make him drop into the second round or were these just maturity issues and corrected? Fun to watch and interested in what others have to think. Fire away.
Well  
Eli owns all : 11/11/2017 10:51 pm : link
If he's your drew Bree's comparison then you will like his current draft stock. Round 2
Can he take snaps under center?  
figgy2989 : 11/11/2017 10:54 pm : link
.
Mayfield  
GiantGrit : 11/11/2017 11:13 pm : link
I've liked him for a while. I think he's gonna be the best qb out of this class, extends plays better than any other guy (jackson can obviously run, but Mayfield is always ready to reset his feet and throw like Russell Wilson). Most concerns seem to be about his size and working through his progressions, but from what i've read he has improved a bit on making reads this year. FWIW, Oklahoma has the most efficient offense in i think the past 20 years. Most important to me, he has the "it" factor. Whole team relies on him...he actually embraces it. I think he's the kind of leader our team needs. Interestingly enough, i think Webb beat him out at Tech before he left. I wonder if that would be a factor in drafting him. His ability to buy time also helps a team with a poor offensive line, and i think he could hide some of our deficiencies there. Two time walk on...been hoping he ends up a Giant for a while, but i don't see us passing on rosen.
He looks good  
WillVAB : 11/11/2017 11:24 pm : link
But from what Iíve seen he doesnít seem to have a good feel for pressure ó like he doesnít have the internal clock heíll need at the nfl level. Not really an issue now at the college level with pretty good protection in front of him.

Also think he gets away with some throws that wonít fly at the next level.

Could be a stud or bust in the nfl. Thatís why itís such a tough position to project.
Funny, you're the third or fourth guy . . . .  
TC : 11/11/2017 11:49 pm : link
here I've read make the Brees comparison, and that's exactly the impression I got last season when stumbling upon him when looking at some of the other players on that team like Perine.

His stats are dazzling, but shortly we'll hear the rag arm and gimmick offense criticisms. Yes, he's got the same "rag arm" Philip Rivers had in school. And he can only play in the offense of the school he's attending. So I guess those are valid criticisms.

He's an exciting QB to watch. His game is all about movement and he routinely extends plays with his feet. And he's also a threat to pull the ball down and run. Plus, he's the most excited player on the team. He's a one man cheering squad. I've seen him run the entire length of the field to hoist the receiver in congratulations.

Put him into as system where he can do the the things he can do well and he may become memorable. Try to turn him into something else, and you've got pretty good bust potential.

I've seen round projections for him anywhere from 1st to 3rd. But I would have to think even the Giants would do due diligence with him.
Everything about his numbers today was divisible by 3!  
Milton : 11/11/2017 11:50 pm : link
Passes completed: 18
Passes attempted: 27
Passing yards: 333
Average/attempt: 12.3
TDs: 3
Uniform #: 6
Darnold  
Marty866b : 11/11/2017 11:56 pm : link
Giants would be nuts to pass on him.
RE: Funny, you're the third or fourth guy . . . .  
GiantGrit : 11/12/2017 12:16 am : link
In comment 13686311 TC said:
Quote:
here I've read make the Brees comparison, and that's exactly the impression I got last season when stumbling upon him when looking at some of the other players on that team like Perine.

His stats are dazzling, but shortly we'll hear the rag arm and gimmick offense criticisms. Yes, he's got the same "rag arm" Philip Rivers had in school. And he can only play in the offense of the school he's attending. So I guess those are valid criticisms.

He's an exciting QB to watch. His game is all about movement and he routinely extends plays with his feet. And he's also a threat to pull the ball down and run. Plus, he's the most excited player on the team. He's a one man cheering squad. I've seen him run the entire length of the field to hoist the receiver in congratulations.

Put him into as system where he can do the the things he can do well and he may become memorable. Try to turn him into something else, and you've got pretty good bust potential.

I've seen round projections for him anywhere from 1st to 3rd. But I would have to think even the Giants would do due diligence with him.



You put it really well in your 4th paragraph. He's gonna need a lot of bootleg action imo to get him moving, it'll help him improvise and he's excellent at throwing off balanced. He's smaller so people automatically knock the arm, but he can really sling it.
RE: Darnold  
old man : 11/12/2017 12:18 am : link
In comment 13686315 Marty866b said:
Quote:
Giants would be nuts to pass on him.


Quite possible Darnold stays in school. He and none of the big 5 have been outstanding to date and may come down to how they close out their season..then the bowl games...then the Combine/ pro day.
I advocated Mayfield in a recent thread as the most consistent over his college career.FWIW.
RE: Darnold  
BigBlue4You09 : 11/12/2017 12:29 am : link
In comment 13686315 Marty866b said:
Quote:
Giants would be nuts to pass on him.


No, they wouldnít.
RE: RE: Funny, you're the third or fourth guy . . . .  
TC : 11/12/2017 12:37 am : link
In comment 13686322 GiantGrit said:
Quote:
In comment 13686311 TC said:


Quote:


here I've read make the Brees comparison, and that's exactly the impression I got last season when stumbling upon him when looking at some of the other players on that team like Perine.

His stats are dazzling, but shortly we'll hear the rag arm and gimmick offense criticisms. Yes, he's got the same "rag arm" Philip Rivers had in school. And he can only play in the offense of the school he's attending. So I guess those are valid criticisms.

He's an exciting QB to watch. His game is all about movement and he routinely extends plays with his feet. And he's also a threat to pull the ball down and run. Plus, he's the most excited player on the team. He's a one man cheering squad. I've seen him run the entire length of the field to hoist the receiver in congratulations.

Put him into as system where he can do the the things he can do well and he may become memorable. Try to turn him into something else, and you've got pretty good bust potential.

I've seen round projections for him anywhere from 1st to 3rd. But I would have to think even the Giants would do due diligence with him.




You put it really well in your 4th paragraph. He's gonna need a lot of bootleg action imo to get him moving, it'll help him improvise and he's excellent at throwing off balanced. He's smaller so people automatically knock the arm, but he can really sling it.

The other player he reminded me a little of is Fran Tarkenton. Though Mayfield is more physical. He's 6''1" & about 220, so he's a pretty solid kid.
I don't see the Giants drafting a 6'1" quarterback  
gogiants : 11/12/2017 12:45 am : link
Mayfield has tremendous stats. Based on season performance to date, PFF has had him rated as the top draft quarterback for each of the last 4 weeks. Some articles say that shorter quarterbacks have trouble throwing over the middle and compensate by being more mobile and throwing on the run. The Giant's have tended more to a pocket passer QB. Here's a link to an interesting graphic on starting quarterback heights in the NFL.
https://gooddeedseats.com/all-starting-nfl-quarterback-heights/ - ( New Window )
You mean the same Baker Mayfield....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 11/12/2017 1:42 am : link
....who was a back up to Davis Webb at Texas Tech?
RE: You mean the same Baker Mayfield....  
Modus Operandi : 11/12/2017 1:57 am : link
In comment 13686351 Emlen'sGremlins said:
Quote:
....who was a back up to Davis Webb at Texas Tech?


You mean the same Davis Webb who was a backup to Pat Mahomes?

If you go back far enough, every NFL player was a backup to someone else at some point in their amateur or professional career.

RE: RE: Darnold  
JohnB : 11/12/2017 3:37 am : link
In comment 13686324 old man said:
Quote:
In comment 13686315 Marty866b said:


Quote:


Giants would be nuts to pass on him.



Quite possible Darnold stays in school. He and none of the big 5 have been outstanding to date and may come down to how they close out their season..then the bowl games...then the Combine/ pro day.
I advocated Mayfield in a recent thread as the most consistent over his college career.FWIW.


If any one of them are going in the top 15 of the 1st round, they'd be crazy to stay in school regardless of the season they are having.
Darnold?  
Giant John : 11/12/2017 6:57 am : link
Not a fan. Mayfield on the other hand is a football player who wins. No single stat is more important than that. Drew Bree's is an excellent comparison only Mayfields arm is stronger. Kids going to be good in the NFL. I don't care what some others may think of him.
If McAdoo stays  
Sammo85 : 11/12/2017 7:31 am : link
I could see him pushing for him or a Darnold/Jackson rather than a Rosen or Rudolph or Allen.

Itís clear he wants a mobile QB who gives options in various spreads.

If the Giants Stay at 3...  
Jim in Tampa : 11/12/2017 8:28 am : link
(Meaning the third position) then they're not going to have their choice of Rosen or Darnold. They'll be lucky if one of them is available, since Darnold is rumored to be leaning towards returning to USC and SF just might trade that valuable #2 position if they don't want a QB.

I like Rosen a lot. Very strong arm and an accurate passer. His "attitude" issues have been blown way out of proportion. Yes, he is a bit of a statue in the pocket but so (was/is) Brady, Peyton, Eli and many other top QBs. (Don't believe the lie that all pocket QBs are going to be replaced by mobile QBs. There are very few Aaron Rodgers out there. QBs with strong, accurate arms will ALWAYS be rated higher than mobile QBs with lesser throwing tools.)

Daronld scares me. He may well have the highest ceiling of all the QBs but through 11 games he has 11 interceptions and has also fumbled the ball 7 times. (I appreciate Eli, but I don't want another QB who fumbles that much.)
RE: RE: You mean the same Baker Mayfield....  
BigBlueShock : 11/12/2017 8:31 am : link
In comment 13686354 Modus Operandi said:
Quote:
In comment 13686351 Emlen'sGremlins said:


Quote:


....who was a back up to Davis Webb at Texas Tech?



You mean the same Davis Webb who was a backup to Pat Mahomes?

If you go back far enough, every NFL player was a backup to someone else at some point in their amateur or professional career.

To be fair, Mahomes was a top 10 pick
RE: He looks good  
NikkiMac : 11/12/2017 9:28 am : link
In comment 13686295 WillVAB said:
Quote:
But from what Iíve seen he doesnít seem to have a good feel for pressure ó like he doesnít have the internal clock heíll need at the nfl level. Not really an issue now at the college level with pretty good protection in front of him.

Also think he gets away with some throws that wonít fly at the next level.

Could be a stud or bust in the nfl. Thatís why itís such a tough position to project.



Gets away with some throws that wonít fly at the next level hmmmm I donít know where you get that or what your even referring to
Heís got the arm the feet  
NikkiMac : 11/12/2017 9:34 am : link
And the smarts the only knock is the 6í1Ē
RE: Heís got the arm the feet  
Mike in NY : 11/12/2017 9:46 am : link
In comment 13686457 NikkiMac said:
Quote:
And the smarts the only knock is the 6í1Ē


He also doesnít operate out of a pro style O so you will need to get him in and look at his progressions on a whiteboard or using video to see if he can make the transition
Its going to be very interesting  
Chris L. : 11/12/2017 10:54 am : link
Great Blue North has something like 7 QB's in the top 25. They have Mayfield pick #6 so he is certainly starting to get the love he deserves and I expect that to continue. The big stay in the pocket QB is one the way out. Deshaun Watson shows how things are changing. You need a guy who can make plays when the pocket breaks down. DC's realize the rules don't allow you to cover receivers so you have to blitz. In todays NFL the pocket is almost never clean. Mayfield excels at making plays when the pocket breaks down. This is why a QB's height is not as important as it use to be. When you move you create lanes to throw in. I agree with the poster that Mayfield reminds me of Bres. That is the first player I think of when I watch him play.
Just heard Phil Simms  
Massgman : 11/12/2017 12:37 pm : link
Comments on Mayfield.....says heís no Wilson,does not like his height
I'm with you Jim in Tampa  
Bluesbreaker : 11/12/2017 12:51 pm : link
I have not watched all the QB's coming out . Darnold does he have small hands or something ? The fumbles stand out .
Mayfield is fun to watch hard not to like him the height
worries you a bit but his ability to move around will help negate that . To me it's not the end of the world if
we don't take a QB if someone wants to move up and we can
gain a few picks and get a guy like Chub and one of the
decent O-line players coming out . Possibly a center that
can anchor the inside unlike Richberg who should not be
re-signed .
RE: Its going to be very interesting  
AcidTest : 11/12/2017 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13686514 Chris L. said:
Quote:
Great Blue North has something like 7 QB's in the top 25. They have Mayfield pick #6 so he is certainly starting to get the love he deserves and I expect that to continue. The big stay in the pocket QB is one the way out. Deshaun Watson shows how things are changing. You need a guy who can make plays when the pocket breaks down. DC's realize the rules don't allow you to cover receivers so you have to blitz. In todays NFL the pocket is almost never clean. Mayfield excels at making plays when the pocket breaks down. This is why a QB's height is not as important as it use to be. When you move you create lanes to throw in. I agree with the poster that Mayfield reminds me of Bres. That is the first player I think of when I watch him play.


Very true, but I'd still be surprised if the Giants draft a 6'1" QB.
And do we know for sure...  
Milton : 11/12/2017 8:27 pm : link
...he's even 6'1"? If all anyone is going by is his listed height on the Wyoming website, chances are it's inflated.
Back to the Corner