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Eli is Brad Johnson/Trent Dilfer 2.0

Les in TO : 11/12/2017 1:33 pm
His two Super Bowl runs were mainly the result of sublime defensive play in the postseason, remarkable plays by the likes of nicks Cruz and tyree, some luck with two fumbled punts in SF and a lame Gronkoswki and end of game heroics by Webster mcquarters Tuck Strahan and Osi. He almost blew the 2011 bowl by not reminding Bradshaw to fall down at the one yard line. Just like Johnson Dilfer and Hostettler road on the coat tails of superior supporting casts, so did #10

QBs don't win alone but they are not an equal among 52 players. They touch the ball every offensive play, read defenses, and serve as the on field general. It's the reason they get drafted first overall and paid the big bucks
By that measure Eli's career win loss percentage puts him in Matt hasselbeck and mark Brunell territory . Slightly above average.

How many games over the course of his career has he been dominant start to finish? most of his games are either nail biters or blowout losses. He's maybe been on the winning end of ten easy games over the course of his 13 year career, less than one per season

And that's because his in game play is choppy: he's a top ten all time fumbler and will attempt risky throws rather than try to pick up a few yards with his legs

The Giants made a huge mistake paying him like a franchise QB when the cold hard truth is he is an above average QB who had the good fortune of playing on teams with superior surrounding talent. Even last year Odell and the defense bailed the team out on multiple occasions and it was the letdown of Odell and the D in the playoffs that caused the first round exit.

Life after Eli won't necessarily be doom and gloom. We may in fact win again with a true franchise QB. it actually can't get much worse.

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yankees78 : 11/12/2017 2:12 pm : link
This Les thing hates Eli so much, I actually think he is in love with him.
You all  
crick n NC : 11/12/2017 2:14 pm : link
Are getting trolled
RE: You all  
Britt in VA : 11/12/2017 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13686736 crick n NC said:
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Are getting trolled


Yeah, but it is a boring afternoon and I won't pass up an opportunity to call Les a moron.
RE: RE: You all  
crick n NC : 11/12/2017 2:17 pm : link
In comment 13686739 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 13686736 crick n NC said:


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Are getting trolled



Yeah, but it is a boring afternoon and I won't pass up an opportunity to call Les a moron.


Britt, I didn't mean to diminish your work on this thread, well done.
How long until this is deleted?  
B in ALB : 11/12/2017 2:22 pm : link
What a complete fucking failure.
Iíd rather have Eliís road to the SB..  
Sean : 11/12/2017 2:22 pm : link
than Big Benís. Thatís for sure.
Iíll give him this  
mfsd : 11/12/2017 2:25 pm : link
Tom Brady is 0-2 all time in Super Bowls against Dilfer, Johnson, and Eli...
RE: Holy shit  
mrvax : 11/12/2017 2:28 pm : link
In comment 13686676 BlueHurricane said:
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You just won the BBI award for biggest fucking idiot around.

I suggest you watch Eli in Green Bay (twice) and San Fran and tell me heís fucking Trent Dilfer. Fuck! I canít even.


I agree. Les probably doesn't understand Oline play. Sad.
538: Just Being There Is His Biggest Positive  
oldutican : 11/12/2017 2:30 pm : link
This is a really good analysis of Eli. The stats show he has been mediocre over his career. But...
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Above all, that may be Manningís greatest skill: just being there. Since he took the starting quarterback job away from Kurt Warner in November 2004, the Giants have not had to worry about the position, allowing the team to devote resources and draft picks to other areas. By comparison, the Giantsí roommates, the Jets, have started 15 quarterbacks in this span. The Cleveland Browns have started 23.

Eli Is Profoundly Mediocre - ( New Window )
Think in terms of Brady  
Bluesbreaker : 11/12/2017 2:47 pm : link
Now Brady is a winner but he has a coach that has built a
a Team that has provided Brady with the right tools that
play to his strengths he is a remarkable Defensive mind
that takes players that fits his system .
Eli has beaten them twice on the biggest stage yet we have watched the last 6-7 seasons go down the tube because they
FAILED Miserably in playing to Eli's strengths which were
quite simple . Give him a stout O-line and an above average running game and he will beat any defense in a big game because of his on field intelligence and ability to make
the big throws in the biggest moments .
However long this post is up you have earned the scorn of every fan on this site to take there misery of this season out on you . Peace Bro
What oldutican is saying is:  
Giants_ROK : 11/12/2017 2:54 pm : link
Les...  
GA5 : 11/12/2017 3:06 pm : link
is less!
RE: You are an amazing dipshit Les.  
Larry in Pencilvania : 11/12/2017 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13686732 18E said:
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I'd slap you if I met you.


Bah hah hah....What's up 18e
I would guess....  
Tesla : 11/12/2017 3:13 pm : link
this is roughly how Eli is viewed by a lot of non-Giants fans and the rest of the league. A pretty mediocre QB who had a couple of great runs in the post-season.

Eli is like a real life Rorschasch test - you can look at his career and see what you want to see - either one of the best QB's in the history of the league (supported by his 2 SB's and ranking on all time career QB lists for yards, etc. etc.)....or you can look at his mediocre career rate stats(i.e. yards per attempts, QBR) and INT's, W-L record, and see a thoroughly mediocre QB who's best attribute was his durability wth some clutch performances thrown in (like the 538 article states).

Not that it needs to be said  
Dave in PA : 11/12/2017 3:17 pm : link
But this is a ridiculous claim. Eli Manning, particularly in 2012, played significantly better Han Dilfer it Johnson ever played.
RE: 538: Just Being There Is His Biggest Positive  
widmerseyebrow : 11/12/2017 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13686760 oldutican said:
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This is a really good analysis of Eli. The stats show he has been mediocre over his career. But...


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Above all, that may be Manningís greatest skill: just being there. Since he took the starting quarterback job away from Kurt Warner in November 2004, the Giants have not had to worry about the position, allowing the team to devote resources and draft picks to other areas. By comparison, the Giantsí roommates, the Jets, have started 15 quarterbacks in this span. The Cleveland Browns have started 23.

Eli Is Profoundly Mediocre - ( New Window )


So his value is that he's always starting. And if he's always starting, doesn't that mean, uh, he's pretty good? Certainly we don't believe that QBs in this league keep their jobs if they just stay healthy.
Kinda amusing how you give  
twostepgiants : 11/12/2017 3:38 pm : link
Everyone else credit for late game "heroics" but Eli

And Eli gets blame for A play that never happened, it was Elis fault that Bradshaw ALMOSt didnt go in end zone. Not Bradshaws. Not Coughlins. But Elis. Plus you are just inventing that the Giants woukd have list there somehow since a FG was a guarantee and virtually no clock left.
RE: RE: You are an amazing dipshit Les.  
18E : 11/12/2017 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13686808 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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Suffering through it Larry...... I'd slap you if I met you.



Bah hah hah....What's up 18e
With all due respect, this is one of the dumbest OPs  
Victor in CT : 11/12/2017 3:44 pm : link
I have ever seen here, and that's saying something.
Career passing yards  
Professor Falken : 11/12/2017 3:52 pm : link
Eli-50,034

Dilfer + Johnson-49,572
Les vs. Les  
Jim in Tampa : 11/12/2017 3:54 pm : link
LOL.

Past Les in a verbal battle with current-day Les...each taking the opposite side of the Eli argument.

I assume Future Les will have the last word ;>)
LOL...What an epic failure this thread is  
montanagiant : 11/12/2017 3:56 pm : link
Iím so very sorry  
BBelle21 : 11/12/2017 4:03 pm : link
Youíre this stupid
revisionist history  
family progtitioner : 11/12/2017 4:12 pm : link
I'd say Eli was a big time elite QB from the 2007 playoffs to about 3/4 of the way through the 2012 season. 2011 he was arguably top 3 in the league. The O line has ruined him the past few years and this horrendous offensive scheme doesn't help.
Are You That Desperate  
clatterbuck : 11/12/2017 4:22 pm : link
For attention?
I'll say this:  
FStubbs : 11/12/2017 4:23 pm : link
Eli's image around the NFL and the fandumb is that he's Brad Johnson/Trent Dilfer/Jim Plunkett but Giants fans know better.

Especially 2011 Eli that won a Superbowl with 2-14 level talent.
Last I checked 2 time SB MVP.  
Giant John : 11/12/2017 4:28 pm : link
That makes you full of crap.
RE: Career passing yards  
YAJ2112 : 11/12/2017 4:56 pm : link
In comment 13686851 Professor Falken said:
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Eli-50,034

Dilfer + Johnson-49,572


Greetings
hes a good  
gm7b5 : 11/12/2017 5:17 pm : link
qb, had amazing moments. But wildly overrated on this site.
Have no..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/12/2017 5:30 pm : link
idea why, but Les has tried for the past several seasons to say Eli is the reason we are losing.

Did the fucking guy kill Alan Thicke or something?
Yeah,  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/12/2017 5:32 pm : link
I don't think Eli's really been 'great' in his career, but comparing to these two is a joke.
*comparing HIM to these two.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/12/2017 5:33 pm : link
.
Somewhere  
Reb8thVA : 11/12/2017 5:36 pm : link
A village is missing its idiot
Reb  
Giant John : 11/12/2017 5:42 pm : link
I like that!
Too bad it's not this village.  
Britt in VA : 11/12/2017 5:44 pm : link
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Les  
chopperhatch : 11/12/2017 5:55 pm : link
Got self'd.
This is why Canadians  
Pete in MD : 11/12/2017 6:11 pm : link
are so adorable.
I couldn't love Eli more  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 11/12/2017 7:30 pm : link
than I do today. The majority of his team quits. He doesnt.

He will be my Favorite Giant for all time.

Fuck you and this post.
On a day where Eli fumbled again  
Les in TO : 11/12/2017 7:36 pm : link
Was outplayed by the immortal CJ Beathard and barely managed to get more than 20 points against the 0-9 49ers via a garbage time score, the comments by the fanboys on this thread are hilarious. Eli should be kissing Accorsi and Reese's butts for surrounding him with championship caliber talent twice and paying him multiples above his value.
RE: On a day where Eli fumbled again  
PetesHereNow : 11/12/2017 7:41 pm : link
In comment 13688221 Les in TO said:
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Was outplayed by the immortal CJ Beathard and barely managed to get more than 20 points against the 0-9 49ers via a garbage time score, the comments by the fanboys on this thread are hilarious. Eli should be kissing Accorsi and Reese's butts for surrounding him with championship caliber talent twice and paying him multiples above his value.


This post is living proof of why I used to be on this site at least 3 hours per day and now Iím here 3 hours per week.
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Sarcastic Sam : 11/12/2017 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13688267 PetesHereNow said:
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In comment 13688221 Les in TO said:


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Was outplayed by the immortal CJ Beathard and barely managed to get more than 20 points against the 0-9 49ers via a garbage time score, the comments by the fanboys on this thread are hilarious. Eli should be kissing Accorsi and Reese's butts for surrounding him with championship caliber talent twice and paying him multiples above his value.



This post is living proof of why I used to be on this site at least 3 hours per day and now Iím here 3 hours per week.


You can't teach stupid, but you can send them to Canada.
Dopey  
SomeFan : 11/12/2017 7:52 pm : link
original post bordering on so stupid I thought it was sarcam at first. I bet you think Jerry Reese is doing a great job though.
You're an idiot  
djm : 11/12/2017 7:52 pm : link
..
I like Britt  
Modus Operandi : 11/12/2017 8:57 pm : link
I kind of admire the way he's carried the banner in dep's a sentence without being a total knob, if there isn't a guy on this site whose posts wouldn't look silly with the benefit of 5 years hindsight.

You're taking about a 32 y/o QB vs. a soon to be 37 y/o QB. That's a lifetime in sports.
LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/13/2017 1:05 am : link
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On a day where Eli fumbled again
Les in TO : 11/12/2017 7:36 pm : link : reply
Was outplayed by the immortal CJ Beathard and barely managed to get more than 20 points against the 0-9 49ers via a garbage time score, the comments by the fanboys on this thread are hilarious. Eli should be kissing Accorsi and Reese's butts for surrounding him with championship caliber talent twice and paying him multiples above his value.


Not only did the fuckstick start this ridiculous thread before the game, he comes back to gloat. And after watching that debacle, he came to the conclusion Eli was outplayed and overpaid?

Maybe if the Niner defense quit, Eli would've outplayed the "immortal" Beathard. Fucking tool.
bump for the morning crowd.  
Britt in VA : 11/13/2017 8:49 am : link
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don't understand this black and white way of looking at things  
djm : 11/13/2017 11:17 am : link
comparing Eli to Dilfer is just an awful, lazy and stupid way of looking at things. Dilfer hasn't done 1/4 of what Eli has done. Dilfer won a title. GREAT for him! He earned it! But he was a caretaker who didn't get in the way. He was never the reason why his teams won a playoff game. He simply did what was asked, made a few decent passes along the way and for a brief period did enough to help his great team win big. Once.

Eli has thrown for over 50k yards. He's helped lead his team on two glorious postseason runs where he was the catalyst. Why does everyone always point to the low scoring output in the super bowls as some sort of indictment? First off, he won both games against the best defensive mind in the NFL and he led his team to victory in the last minutes of both games. That counts for a lot. Second, he was GREAT in the ENTIRE postseason!

Eli doesn't have to be the best QB ever and he doesn't have to be Trent Fucking Dilfer. There's middle ground...fuck's sake....

Christ...some of you fucking blow at analyzing players. Sorry but the truth is the truth.

PS--Brad Johnson was a good QB. Again, stupidity.
and it's funny  
djm : 11/13/2017 11:20 am : link
but for all this talk of bad Eli these days, he's stats actually aren't bad at all despite playing on a sinking ship. The guy is on pace for 24 - 25 TDs and not that many INTS.

Eli could play better at times. He could also be a lot worse. The Giants are a mess yet there's Eli, doing everything he can to help the team win.

If Eli was trent Dilfer he wouldn't be on pace to finish with pretty good stats in ANY FUCKING SEASON let alone this one.


I hate stupid.
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arcarsenal : 11/13/2017 11:20 am : link
I can't believe so many people are actually dignifying this with a response.
Said it before, I'll say it again  
Greg from LI : 11/13/2017 11:20 am : link
Eli Manning has had a very unusual career that is difficult to compare to other QBs. For the most part, a very good but not really great career, but one augmented with two championship runs in which he played at his very best and executed late game-winning SB drives. Can't think of anyone else with both those kinds of highs and the lows that he's also had.
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