His two Super Bowl runs were mainly the result of sublime defensive play in the postseason, remarkable plays by the likes of nicks Cruz and tyree, some luck with two fumbled punts in SF and a lame Gronkoswki and end of game heroics by Webster mcquarters Tuck Strahan and Osi. He almost blew the 2011 bowl by not reminding Bradshaw to fall down at the one yard line. Just like Johnson Dilfer and Hostettler road on the coat tails of superior supporting casts, so did #10
QBs don't win alone but they are not an equal among 52 players. They touch the ball every offensive play, read defenses, and serve as the on field general. It's the reason they get drafted first overall and paid the big bucks
By that measure Eli's career win loss percentage puts him in Matt hasselbeck and mark Brunell territory . Slightly above average.
How many games over the course of his career has he been dominant start to finish? most of his games are either nail biters or blowout losses. He's maybe been on the winning end of ten easy games over the course of his 13 year career, less than one per season
And that's because his in game play is choppy: he's a top ten all time fumbler and will attempt risky throws rather than try to pick up a few yards with his legs
The Giants made a huge mistake paying him like a franchise QB when the cold hard truth is he is an above average QB who had the good fortune of playing on teams with superior surrounding talent. Even last year Odell and the defense bailed the team out on multiple occasions and it was the letdown of Odell and the D in the playoffs that caused the first round exit.
Life after Eli won't necessarily be doom and gloom. We may in fact win again with a true franchise QB. it actually can't get much worse.
I suggest you watch Eli in Green Bay (twice) and San Fran and tell me he’s fucking Trent Dilfer. Fuck! I can’t even.
Future BBI'ers deserve to read this one, we can repost this when Eli is getting inducted into Canton.
OMG
... and all the other ones I can't think of right now.
Eli has been a great Giant. I do believe he even went to a pro bowl or 2.
Also a classy guy who is a former NFL man of the year.
I am proud to have #10 as my QB.
Holy shit.
Les in TO : 1/23/2012 6:37 pm : link
will be a hall of famer with a win in the SB. His legacy at least to this stage of his career is a guy who comes up big when the season is on the line and when the game is on the line - he has ice in his veins. He's not always pretty, he has no speed/ability to threaten defenses with running the ball and he makes the odd dangerous throw into double coverage, but he's a winner, plain and simple. This year he impressed me with his leadership, command of the offense and ability to cut his losses on plays without taking stupid risks. He's maturing and hopefully continues this awesome level of play for years to come. We are blessed.
But we'll have to see how his career plays out before entering him into the conversation with Brady, his big brother, Montana, Elway and Marino.
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Registered 2001. I guess Eric was right in a way. This place has had morons for a long time and now is no different.
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Les in TO : 1/23/2012 6:37 pm : link
will be a hall of famer with a win in the SB. His legacy at least to this stage of his career is a guy who comes up big when the season is on the line and when the game is on the line - he has ice in his veins. He's not always pretty, he has no speed/ability to threaten defenses with running the ball and he makes the odd dangerous throw into double coverage, but he's a winner, plain and simple. This year he impressed me with his leadership, command of the offense and ability to cut his losses on plays without taking stupid risks. He's maturing and hopefully continues this awesome level of play for years to come. We are blessed.
But we'll have to see how his career plays out before entering him into the conversation with Brady, his big brother, Montana, Elway and Marino.
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Glorious. So I guess he just forgot his meds.
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Les in TO : 1/23/2012 6:37 pm : link
will be a hall of famer with a win in the SB. His legacy at least to this stage of his career is a guy who comes up big when the season is on the line and when the game is on the line - he has ice in his veins. He's not always pretty, he has no speed/ability to threaten defenses with running the ball and he makes the odd dangerous throw into double coverage, but he's a winner, plain and simple. This year he impressed me with his leadership, command of the offense and ability to cut his losses on plays without taking stupid risks. He's maturing and hopefully continues this awesome level of play for years to come. We are blessed.
But we'll have to see how his career plays out before entering him into the conversation with Brady, his big brother, Montana, Elway and Marino.
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Les in TO just got Ethered.
Cannot come back from that.
Les in TO : 2/10/2012 4:20 pm : link
in the regular season, eli in the playoffs.
but
Les in TO : 2/10/2012 4:21 pm : link
that's like asking what car is better a bentley or a bugatti
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Pssh, Dilfer would have pump faked and gotten a TD to Manningham there
Manning was brilliant in both Superbowl runs.
Les in TO : 1/23/2012 9:07 pm : link
Eli is elite while Romo is a very good QB who has a consistent history of coming up just a wee bit short in big games.
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Manning 2011 30/40 282 yds 0 int QB rating 103.8
Brady 2011 27/41 266 yds 1 int QB rating 91.1
Manning 2007 19/34 255 yds 1 int QB rating 87.3
Brady 2007 29/48 246 yds 0 int QB rating 82.5
Johnson 18/34 215 yds 0 int QB rating 79.9
Dilfer 12/25 153 yds 0 int.QB rating 80.9
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Les in TO : 1/23/2012 6:37 pm : link
will be a hall of famer with a win in the SB. His legacy at least to this stage of his career is a guy who comes up big when the season is on the line and when the game is on the line - he has ice in his veins. He's not always pretty, he has no speed/ability to threaten defenses with running the ball and he makes the odd dangerous throw into double coverage, but he's a winner, plain and simple. This year he impressed me with his leadership, command of the offense and ability to cut his losses on plays without taking stupid risks. He's maturing and hopefully continues this awesome level of play for years to come. We are blessed.
But we'll have to see how his career plays out before entering him into the conversation with Brady, his big brother, Montana, Elway and Marino.
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lol
That's not a longevity stat. Shows you what Eli is capable of in an offense that has a good pass blocking OL and receiving options. Eli is paying the price for organizational dysfunction.
That's not a longevity stat. Shows you what Eli is capable of in an offense that has a good pass blocking OL and receiving options. Eli is paying the price for organizational dysfunction.
Eli also broke an NFL Record with 14 4th quarter TD passes in a single season, that year, which had previously been held by Johnny Unitas and Peyton Manning (tie).
Yeah, but it is a boring afternoon and I won't pass up an opportunity to call Les a moron.
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Yeah, but it is a boring afternoon and I won't pass up an opportunity to call Les a moron.
Britt, I didn't mean to diminish your work on this thread, well done.
I suggest you watch Eli in Green Bay (twice) and San Fran and tell me he’s fucking Trent Dilfer. Fuck! I can’t even.
I agree. Les probably doesn't understand Oline play. Sad.
Above all, that may be Manning’s greatest skill: just being there. Since he took the starting quarterback job away from Kurt Warner in November 2004, the Giants have not had to worry about the position, allowing the team to devote resources and draft picks to other areas. By comparison, the Giants’ roommates, the Jets, have started 15 quarterbacks in this span. The Cleveland Browns have started 23.
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a Team that has provided Brady with the right tools that
play to his strengths he is a remarkable Defensive mind
that takes players that fits his system .
Eli has beaten them twice on the biggest stage yet we have watched the last 6-7 seasons go down the tube because they
FAILED Miserably in playing to Eli's strengths which were
quite simple . Give him a stout O-line and an above average running game and he will beat any defense in a big game because of his on field intelligence and ability to make
the big throws in the biggest moments .
However long this post is up you have earned the scorn of every fan on this site to take there misery of this season out on you . Peace Bro
Bah hah hah....What's up 18e
Eli is like a real life Rorschasch test - you can look at his career and see what you want to see - either one of the best QB's in the history of the league (supported by his 2 SB's and ranking on all time career QB lists for yards, etc. etc.)....or you can look at his mediocre career rate stats(i.e. yards per attempts, QBR) and INT's, W-L record, and see a thoroughly mediocre QB who's best attribute was his durability wth some clutch performances thrown in (like the 538 article states).
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So his value is that he's always starting. And if he's always starting, doesn't that mean, uh, he's pretty good? Certainly we don't believe that QBs in this league keep their jobs if they just stay healthy.
And Eli gets blame for A play that never happened, it was Elis fault that Bradshaw ALMOSt didnt go in end zone. Not Bradshaws. Not Coughlins. But Elis. Plus you are just inventing that the Giants woukd have list there somehow since a FG was a guarantee and virtually no clock left.
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Suffering through it Larry...... I'd slap you if I met you.
Bah hah hah....What's up 18e
Dilfer + Johnson-49,572
Past Les in a verbal battle with current-day Les...each taking the opposite side of the Eli argument.
I assume Future Les will have the last word ;>)
Especially 2011 Eli that won a Superbowl with 2-14 level talent.
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Greetings
Did the fucking guy kill Alan Thicke or something?
He will be my Favorite Giant for all time.
Fuck you and this post.
This post is living proof of why I used to be on this site at least 3 hours per day and now I’m here 3 hours per week.
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Was outplayed by the immortal CJ Beathard and barely managed to get more than 20 points against the 0-9 49ers via a garbage time score, the comments by the fanboys on this thread are hilarious. Eli should be kissing Accorsi and Reese's butts for surrounding him with championship caliber talent twice and paying him multiples above his value.
This post is living proof of why I used to be on this site at least 3 hours per day and now I’m here 3 hours per week.
You can't teach stupid, but you can send them to Canada.
You're taking about a 32 y/o QB vs. a soon to be 37 y/o QB. That's a lifetime in sports.
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Was outplayed by the immortal CJ Beathard and barely managed to get more than 20 points against the 0-9 49ers via a garbage time score, the comments by the fanboys on this thread are hilarious. Eli should be kissing Accorsi and Reese's butts for surrounding him with championship caliber talent twice and paying him multiples above his value.
Not only did the fuckstick start this ridiculous thread before the game, he comes back to gloat. And after watching that debacle, he came to the conclusion Eli was outplayed and overpaid?
Maybe if the Niner defense quit, Eli would've outplayed the "immortal" Beathard. Fucking tool.
Eli has thrown for over 50k yards. He's helped lead his team on two glorious postseason runs where he was the catalyst. Why does everyone always point to the low scoring output in the super bowls as some sort of indictment? First off, he won both games against the best defensive mind in the NFL and he led his team to victory in the last minutes of both games. That counts for a lot. Second, he was GREAT in the ENTIRE postseason!
Eli doesn't have to be the best QB ever and he doesn't have to be Trent Fucking Dilfer. There's middle ground...fuck's sake....
Christ...some of you fucking blow at analyzing players. Sorry but the truth is the truth.
PS--Brad Johnson was a good QB. Again, stupidity.
Eli could play better at times. He could also be a lot worse. The Giants are a mess yet there's Eli, doing everything he can to help the team win.
If Eli was trent Dilfer he wouldn't be on pace to finish with pretty good stats in ANY FUCKING SEASON let alone this one.
I hate stupid.